> Unfortunately, I don't see a good fix for [Lyris altering the
> message-id]. I'm going to have to investigate further.
I see an easy fix. Back out to the previous software
version. You can do this, can't you? Anyone who claims any
kind of system administration capability must be able to
back out an upgrade and must understand the importance of
being able to.
Vote: leave the message-id the SAME in all copies.
I think we can all agree on one thing: we need standards
for mailing lists. In fact, we really need a new type of
forum, one which acts more like a newsgroup but is
accessible only by subscription. Don't tell me what the
chance is of getting a new paradigm into today's Internet;
I know. Sad, isn't it? The Internet has so soon become a
place so bound by inertia that it is hostile to new ideas.
Like computing in general.
Sigh.
Vote: leave reply-to set to the list. For this list. We
generally want to see the discussions. This list is not an
oracle.
If you have truly serious problems with bounces from
particular places (Delphi has been mentioned, and I know
they are not the only such offender), then give them
special treatment rather than penalizing the rest of us.
You could simply refuse Delphi subscriptions automatically,
sending a letter giving the reason with a copy to
postmaster@delphi.com. [Oops, is that going to get munged
... no, I think it's all right.] Or any time you get a
bounce from Delphi, send all Delphi subscribers a message
saying their subscription has been suspended and they must
re-authorize it, again with a copy to their postmaster.
Might even get the broken software fixed. After a while.
tanstaafl@pobox.com (Nick) wrote:
> You're missing the point: the text of the message is mine. I wrote it, I
> hold the copyright on it, and your software has absolutely NO business
> changing anything in it.
I disagree. In fact, that's ridiculous. You submitted the
message to a forum; you must expect editing, as long as
your meaning isn't changed. I send messages to lists where
I expect to see my message in a digest. I submit to
comp.risks and occasionally get in -- the deft editing hand
of Peter Neumann makes it an honor. If you send a letter to
the editor of a magazine or newspaper, it will almost
always be edited for printing.
The principles and law of copyright do NOT say that no one
may ever change a single keystroke of what your divine
fingers typed.
I agree that on this list message bodies should be entirely
unaltered. I agree for practical reasons though, not for
law or principle. We are writers, many of us, and expect to
see our messages arrive in good condition. And we don't
need to waste our time wondering whether we are about to
trigger some silly condition -- note my comment above where
I left in my actual thought, where the existence of a
trigger interrupted my thoughts even though I wasn't even
close to hitting the trigger. I don't need that kind of
interruption.
Finally: Josh, stop forging message-ids from my domain. Stop
it now. That really is beyond the pale.
Edward Reid
Fight unsolicited email. http://www.cauce.org
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