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comp.lang.tcl Frequently Asked Questions (March 07, 2005) (1/6)
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	What is comp.lang.tcl?

	First, let me assure you what it is not.
<URL: news:comp.lang.tcl > (and <URL: news:comp.lang.tcl.announce > now)
are *NOT* bulletin boards.  They are not, innately, mailing lists.
Some users may experience the messages in those formats, but
these communities of users are what is known as USENET newsgroups.
While Dr. John Ousterhout <URL: >
was the creator of the original, unmoderated
<URL: news:comp.lang.tcl >, in the current incarnation, clt (as it is
often referenced) has no moderator, no owner, no authority to whom
one can appeal when one feels slighted, offended, libeled, etc.
On the other hand, there are a group of moderators associated with
<URL: news:comp.lang.tcl.announce >, whose job it is to ensure that
the postings there remain 'on charter'.

	What kinds of topics are appropriate for <URL: news:comp.lang.tcl >?
Good question.  The original charter stated:

	It will be an unmoderated forum for the discussion of the Tcl
	programming language and tools that include it, such as Expect and the
	Tk toolkit for X-Windows (sic).

Thus, discussing Tcl, extensions and tools that use Tcl, products and
design ideas, all can be on topic.  The "Welcome to comp.lang.tcl" message
<URL: > lays out other useful

	The majority of readers of <URL: news:comp.lang.tcl > are
access the postings in English, and seem to prefer plain text postings
formatted to 78 or less characters per line, as opposed to HTML, Postscript,
MIME base64, Macintosh special character sets, etc..  They also prefer to
have postings which specify a working email address in the From or Reply-To
header (or at least in the body of the msg somewhere).  While
alternatives to that are certainly possible, you decrease the chance of
getting a timely relevant answer by choosing alternatives to these.
These rules are not unique to clt, but are the typical USENET netiquette
that posters are asked to respect.  As an alternative to this,
there are the French <URL: news:fr.comp.lang.tcl >, German
<URL: news:de.comp.lang.tcl >, and Japanese <URL: news:fj.lang.tcl >
equivalents of <URL: news:comp.lang.tcl >.

	Posting of source code is acceptable (and in fact encouraged if
you are having problems) if reasonably sized (a few hundred lines).
otherwise, you should investigate some other means of distributing code
you wish to share - perhaps via <URL: > or one of the
other similar sites.  Posting of binaries (or even HTML attachements)
are in general is not looked upon kindly; use of NeoSoft or one of the
many free web sites, etc. is a much better alternative.  Advertising for
books, jobs, software, etc. are acceptable if done with some forethought
- frequent 'form letter' postings and announcements are likely to meet
with some community resistance.

	One question that comes up fairly often concerning
<URL: news:comp.lang.tcl > is 'why isn't the newsgroup split?'.  The newsgroup
varies in traffic, but I have seen as many as 45 messages a day
(counting current cross postings, etc.) Currently, many have come
forward with ideas on how a split could be handled, but no concensus
has been reached.  Also, no moderators have stepped forward to take
over moderation of a split group.  During January, 1996,
<URL: news:comp.lang.tcl.announce >, a moderated group containing
announcements of new software, doc, etc. relating to Tcl, was created.
So as of right now, asking to split the newsgroup only adds to the
existing traffic, without resolving any problems.

	Other newsgroup in which you might encounter Tcl discussion are
<URL: news:alt.comp.tkdesk >, where discussions about the Tk application
TkDesk may take place, <URL: news:comp.unix.sco.programmer > - where
discussion about SCO's vtcl (a graphical interface extension based on the
Motif library) can be found, <URL: >, which covers
discussions about the Tk binding to Perl, and of course, discussions of
specific ports of Tcl/Tk/other Tcl-based extensions and programs will
frequently be found on the appropriate OS or hardware related newsgroups
You can also find discussions regarding Tcl in many of the support newsgroups
and mailing lists provided by vendors/authors who are using Tcl in their
products.  Two examples are the mailing lists for AOL's AOLserver and
Tcl/Tk based Instant Messages client TiK (see "part2"), while Vignette has
<URL: nntp:// > and
<URL: nntp:// >.

	The information in this set of FAQs comes from several sources.  The
primary source of information is the group itself - I spend (much too
much) time each month culling through what I feel are some of the best
answers, gathering up new information on ports, etc. and adding it
here.  I also gather new application information and add it as
best I can.  The next most predominant source of information comes from
the authors of the various software packages.  Finally, a small amount
comes from my personal experiences.  You can find my general
Tcl FAQs at <URL: > .

	The commercial use of Tcl FAQ is no longer being maintained.
The last copy of it available for ftp can be found at
<URL: >,
<URL: >,
<URL: >.

	Commercial vendors who write products using Tcl and who would like some
visibility in the community can contact the Tcl Core Team
<URL: > for ideas.

	The FAQ containing a series of Tcl-related questions
and answers is managed by <URL: > (Joe Moss).
See <URL: > or find it at
<URL: >.

	The FAQ containing Tk-related questions and answers is managed by
<URL: mailto:jeff at > (Jeffrey Hobbs).  You can find it at
<URL: >.

	A bibliography of published material related to Tcl will be
managed by <URL: > (Glenn Vanderburg).
(See "bibliography/part1") or ftp it at
<URL: >.

	Cameron Laird <URL: > has made
available his personal notes on mistakes frequently made by newcomers
to Tcl at <URL: >
and will update it as time permits.  Cameron maintains one of the more
unusual FAQ pages as well - the Unanswered Frequently-Asked Questions
about Tcl page
<URL: >.
He has many other useful collections of information on Tcl and Tk.
Look over the list by going to
<URL: >.

	FAQs are also available for the Windows port of Tcl
<URL: >,
Macintosh port <URL: >,
and perl/Tk <URL: >
<URL: >.

	A renewal of the effort of converting the FAQs to Japanese has
begun.  You can find the ongoing updates (currently things are still old)
at <URL: >.
It is being built by Taguchi Takeshi <URL: >
and Oota Toshiya <URL: >.

	A newsbot has been implemented by
Andreas Kupries <URL: > which provides a
<URL: news:comp.lang.tcl > automated welcome, providing first time
posters some introductory remarks and a set of pointers to the FAQs and
other common resources.  You can see the current version of the mailing
by looking at <URL: >.

	A WWW form to submit entries to the Tcl/Tk software catalog is
available at <URL: >.  This provides you an interface
not only to submit new items, but to submit updates or to browse the
catalog as needed.

	A sort of "Who's Who in the Tcl Community"
directory has been created - see
<URL: >
for the current information.  Be sure to submit your own information.

	If you have corrections, enhancements, modifications,
clarifications, suggestions, ideas, new questions, new answers to
questions which have never been asked, or something else that I have
not covered above, contact me at <URL: >.

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