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Is Bullmastiffs fighting dogs or non fighting dogs?

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Question by Kevin
Submitted on 7/14/2003
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Is Bullmastiffs fighting dogs or non fighting dogs?


Answer by jay vanderford
Submitted on 8/19/2003
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No, definetly not.  Although the bullmastiff has incredible size and strength, they do not possess the endurance or gameness to be considered a fighting dog.

 

Answer by legend
Submitted on 8/20/2003
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my uncle has a bullmastiff and it is definately not a fighting breed, it is a gentle giant and when it feels provoked it uses its weight and power to warn off enemys not its teeth.

 

Answer by andie
Submitted on 8/20/2003
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any "bull breed" is a fighting breed. Bullmastiffs were used for bull baiting and fighting in the 18 and 1900's. Even though they dont fight now,they still are considered fighting breeds.

 

Answer by Dawgz
Submitted on 8/23/2003
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No dog is a fighting dog unless it's been made to be by a human,end of story!

 

Answer by malfoy
Submitted on 8/28/2003
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Bullmastiffs where bred to chase and hold poachers not for bull baiting or dog fighting, get your facts right. While the breed was created by mixing bulldogs & mastiffs, i agree totally with vanderford, bullmastifs are not game enough to be considered a fighting breed. out of all the misconceptions the only breeds with enough game for dog fighting are pitbulls and tosa inu's

 

Answer by wildcarrie
Submitted on 9/20/2003
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No. Bull mastiffes are not a fighting dog. They love to just enjoy things, they are not naturally agressive, or of a fighting breed.





 

Answer by Pashaz
Submitted on 9/30/2003
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They are not fighting dogs at all, they look fierce but I really love them. I think dogs act the way they have been brought up.
I have got 2 and they are harmless.

 

Answer by powellove
Submitted on 10/19/2003
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I agree with dawgz. german shepards are made to HERD sheep, not even nip at them unless commanded. Yet, they are number 1 in the country as enforcement dogs. It all matters on what you breed they for, how you treat them, and what you trian them for. They could be couch patatoes or the most aggresive dog in the world- it's up to you. If you want an aggressive dog go and talk to a breeder.

 

Answer by dog man
Submitted on 10/20/2003
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Any dog can be taught to fight, they say bullmastiff were created to catch poachers, who knows really if you believe history.well the mastiff was a war dog and the bull dog was a fighting dog ,they were bred together to creat the bullmastiff,at least this is what history tells us.So the question is , is the bullmastiff a fighting dog?. you decide for yourself, i think its all how you raise them,is it in the dog to fight? YES YES

 

Answer by robo
Submitted on 10/20/2003
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I have pit and a bull mastiff. The pit comes from a "game" family and her mother and father are known fighters. A while back she decided to try her luck with my bull mastiff. The bull mastiff had no problem defending himself and had the pit on her back within 30 seconds. They are fighters when the time is right. They do not have the "game" as the pits do where they will fight to the death.

 

Answer by dog man
Submitted on 10/21/2003
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Yes they do have plenty of game in them robo, your bullmastiff proved that to you and you didnt even see it , didnt you say he had your pit  on her back in seconds?

 

Answer by Pit Man
Submitted on 10/26/2003
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If you want a fighting dog get and American Pit Bull terrier. This breed has retained almost all of its fighting jeans.

 

Answer by your dad
Submitted on 10/28/2003
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lets put the dogs in the pit if the bullmastiff wins its a fighting breed if i dont and dies then we'll know next time

 

Answer by Robert
Submitted on 10/28/2003
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robo's dog only had the pit on his back to defend itself. My bullmastif isn't nasty and dosn't fight unless another dog starts a fight, even then he just frightens the other dog away and walks off again.

 

Answer by dogs'friende
Submitted on 11/4/2003
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I thing that all dogs are nice.and we have to respect it,because dogs are our friendes

 

Answer by MadMax
Submitted on 11/9/2003
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I have a bullmastiff and my friend has a shepard... The shepard came after my bully and within seconds the shepard went running off. The bullmastiff is not a fighting dog but has the ability to thump the crap out of a "fighting dog". Though by nature, no dog wants to fight to the death, only to dominate.

 

Answer by thr breeder
Submitted on 11/18/2003
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i love bullmastiff they are the best fighting dogs in town i hope to breed more

 

Answer by Metamorphosis
Submitted on 11/18/2003
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I have a Tosa Inu ~ Supposedly the Most Dangerous fighting dog on the planet.  Pits hold nothing to these dogs historically and in fact where dog fighting is still a national sport (Japan) pits are not even allowed in the ring with a Tosa.
That said, my dog will lick you to death~ But that's about it.  They do not 'act' aggressive nor do they seek aggression towards other dogs, if other dogs are 'nice'- the Tosa is nice.  If the other dog attacks - The Tosa will end it once & for all.  Because of this, I keep my 'nice' dog on a leash bc of ignorant people who focus on dog fighting/aggressiveness instead of the companion animals these types of dogs are well known for being.  If you want an aggressive dog~ You need to have your head examined!  It's thoughts & diatribe like those that give bad reputations to many Mastiff type dogs.
Also worth mentioning is my last dog I had for almost 11 yrs was a Pit/Mastiff mix and tho he looked incredibly intimidating ~He was a gentle giant.  The children rode him like a horse.  There were times when macho people approached us with Pits and other fighting breed dogs and a couple of times he was attacked, he just rolled around while they tried to hurt him, then shook it off while they sat bewildered & galavanted on his way.   The ONLY time he was EVER aggressive was toward a human male who threatened me...at which point he stood up & knocked the man down, then held him...as many Mastiff's are trained to do.   They catch & hold.  The don't attack, bite first!
Some people need to educate themselves.

 

Answer by dawg breeder
Submitted on 11/24/2003
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METAMORPHOSIS WHEN WRITING INFO ON TOSA VERSUS PIT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.WHEN BREEDING TO CREATE THE TOSA YOU HAVE PIT,BULL TERRIER, SAINT BERNARD,GREAT DANE,AND SOME HISTORIANS SAY MASTIFF AND ALSO POINTER BREED.THIS CREATES ONE HELL OF A DOG SIZE WISE BUT SOME OF THE FIGHT     HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT.                  REVIEWING HISTORY ON THE TERRIBLE SPORT OF DOG FIGHTING THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BULLDOG AND OTHER BREEDS THEY DON`T QUIT EVEN WHEN INJURED,I`M TALKING FIGHTING WHEN A LEG HAS BEEN CHEWED OFF OR EVEN MISSING AN EYE THEY DON`T QUIT.REVEIWING FIGHTING BULLDOGS VERSUS TOSA HISTORY SAYS THAT ON THE NORM IF A FIGHT WENT LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES THE BULLDOG WAS THE WINNER OF THIS   CRUEL SPORT.EVEN WHEN HE WAS OUT WEIGHED BY AS MUCH AS A HUNDRED POUNDS.          

 

Answer by guss
Submitted on 11/28/2003
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BEST FIGHTING DOGS.THE GAME BRED PIT-BULL TERRIER,THE GAME BRED STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER,THE GAME BRED AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER AND THE GAME BRED BULL TERRIER.OTHER GREAT FIGHTING DOGS ARE:TOSA INU,FILA BRASILIERO,DOGO ARGENTINO AND PRESO CANERIO.THE BULLMASIFF IS NOT A GREAT FIGHTING DOG.THEY DONT USE BULLMASTIFF IN DOG FIGHTS.THE BULLMASTIFF IS A PROTECTOR OFF THE HOME AND THE MAN.THEY HAVE NOT GAME BRED THE BULL MASTIFFS.THATS WHY THE ARE NO GOOD FOR FIGHTING.THE GAME BRED PITS AND FIGHTING TERRIER DOGS ARE WILLING TOO FIGHT TOO THE DEATH.THEY ARE BREDED FOR COURAGE AND GAMENESS.FASTNESS AND AGILITY.TOO NEVER GIVE UP IN A FIGHT.THEY HAVE THE BEST STAMINA OFF ALL FIGHTING DOGS.THE ONLY DOG WHO CAN MATCH THE TERRIER GAMEBRED DOGS ARE THE TOSA INU,FILA BRASILIERO AND THE DOGO ARGENTINO.THE DOGS HAS TOO BE GAME BRED.IF THEY ARE NOT THEY ARE NOT THE BEST OFF FIGHTING DOGS.

 

Answer by xman (Holland)
Submitted on 11/30/2003
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I think the BullMastiff is not a fighting dog in that way a dog is bred to be a fighting dog. Im the proudfull owner of a boxer also known as a fighting dog but he isnt, if i want to, he can really be a fighting dog and a nasty one too. I think you that you can make a fighting dog of any kind of dog if you want to. The best fighting dog is a dog
that knows of himself that he has the power in himself to destroy another dog of he wants to but not using it becauase of his awareness of it. greetings from holland

 

Answer by george
Submitted on 11/30/2003
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the bullmastif is not a fighting dog.it was breed to stop poachers in 1800's. the only 2 real fighting dogs are the american pitbull terrier and the japanese tosa inu. a 30 second fight does not make a dog a fighting dog nor does it test the dogs gameness.most real dogfights last 20-30 min. minimum.a pitbull will not normally win a match within 10min.their fighting style is to tire their opponent out then really turn up the pace.a gamebred pitbull can outfight an opponent that outweighs it by many pounds,this includes the tosa inu in fact some japanese dogfighters have switched to apbt because of its superior gameness over the tosa inu.

 

Answer by WILDTHANG8808.....
Submitted on 11/30/2003
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A BULLMASTIF IS NOT A FIGHT DOG. A BULLMASTIF IS A UNIQUE DOG AND A ONCE IN A LIFE TIME DOG.A BULLMASTIF WILL PROTECT ITS MASTERS.MY DOGS NAME IS KI ERA HER GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER IS TANK.IF YOU WAS JUST TO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR DOG OR LOVE IT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF THERE WAS A KIDNAPPER THAT THE DOG WOULD JUST LET HIM TAKE YOU.A BULLMASTIF FEMALE GROWS BETWEEN 120 OR 130 POUNDS.BULLMASTIFS LIVE BEWTEEN 7 & 9 YEARS.BULLMASTIFS ARE NOT JUST FIGHTING DOGS.

 

Answer by guss
Submitted on 11/30/2003
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THE TOSA IS A FEARSOME OPPONENT.BIG AND POWERFUL WITH GOOD STAMINA.BEST FIGHTING WEIGHT FOR A TOSA INU IS AROUND 50 KILOGRAMS.THE REAL BIG TOSA INU ARE BEST FOR WRESTLING MATCHES.THEY DON'T LIKE THE LIFE TOO DEATH STRUGGLE SO THEY STOP FIGHTING DURING THE MATCH.THEY WANTED A REAL BIG FIGHTING DOG SO THEY CROSSED THE BULLDOG WITH, ST BERNARD,GREAT DANE AND MASTIFF DOGS.AND SOMEWAY DOWN THE ROAD THEY GOT A REAL GOOD FIGHT DOG.BUT WITH THE LACK OFF WILL TOO FIGHT TOO THE END.IF THEY HAD GAME BREDED THE STAFFORDSHIRE THE SAME WAY AS THE PIT-BULL TERRIER THE OUTCOME IS THE SAME.I HAVE READ IN THE SPORTING MANUAL FOR FIGHT DOGS THAT A GAME BREDED STAFFORDSHIRE KILLED A GAME-BREDED PIT-BULL.I WOUNDER IF THE ENGLISH BULL TERRIER CAN MATCH ANY THE TOSA INU.PIT-BULL,AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER AND STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER.THEY HAD TOO BE GAME BREDED.NOT CURES.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FACTS OFF A BULL TERRIER OR STAFFORDSHIRE FIGHTING A PIT-BULL OR A TOSA INU?

 

Answer by dogman
Submitted on 11/30/2003
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any dog can be taught to fight, it dosent make any difference what kind he is  , some are just better than others, bullmastiffs too.

 

Answer by germanshepmom
Submitted on 11/30/2003
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PEOPLE WHO GIVE ADVICE OR STATS ON WHICH IS THE BEST FIGHTING DOG SHOULD BE ARRESTED. AS WITH MOST STATES EXCEPT FOR 4, DOG FIGHTING IS A FELONY. ALSO SO IS THE POSSESSION, TRANSPORTING, TRAINING, BREEDING, SELLING AND FIGHTING PARAPHERNALIA A FELONY. GIVING ADVICE ON THE SUBJECT UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT BUT SHOULD BE. DOGS ARE WONDERFUL ANIMALS THAT ONLY WANT TO BE LOVED AND MAKE THEIR FAMILIES HAPPY. THAT IS WHY DOG FIGHTERS HAVE SUCH LUCK WITH TRAINING DOGS, BECAUSE THE DOGS JUST WANT TO PLEASE. I THINK EVERYONE WHO HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH DOG FIGHTING SHOULD BE TIED UP AND  PUT THROUGH WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO DOGS AND GET A TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE. IT IS A SICK AND EXTREMELY CRUEL ACT THAT IS ENJOYED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO SICK AND HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO BUT INFLICT PAIN AND TERROR. PLEASE REPORT ANYONE YOU THINK OR KNOW WHO IS DOG FIGHTING OR CONTRIBUTING TO THIS AWFUL ACT.

 

Answer by tom
Submitted on 11/30/2003
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THIS RESPONSE IS IN REPLY TO GERMANSHEPMOM.               I AGREE WITH YOU TO A DEGREE BUT MOST OF THE DOGS USED FOR FIGHTING HAVE AN INBORN URGE TO FIGHT JUST AS A BIRD DOG LOVES TO HUNT A BULL DOG LOVES TO FIGHT. I AM NOT PROMOTING THE FIGHTING OF DOGS AS IT IS ILLEGAL  JUST SIMPLY STATING THAT TO THE DOGS THE FIGHT IS NOT AS BAD AS IT SEEMS. BUT WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT MOST PEOPLE WILL BRAG ABOUT THEIR DOGS WHIPPING THEIR NEIGHBOR'S DOG BUT CRINGE AT THE THOUGHT OF FIGHTING PITBULLS. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANIMAL CRUELTY WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO RACE GREYHOUNDS? IF THESE DOGS DON'T WIN THEIR RACE THEY ARE USALLY PUT TO SLEEP. SO WHY NOT MAKE DOG RACING ILLEGAL TOO.

 

Answer by germanshepmom
Submitted on 12/1/2003
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IN RESPONSE TO TOM: I C0COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON MOST OF THE THINGS YOU SAID. YES THEY DO HAVE AN URGE TO FIGHT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OK. IT MIGHT NOT SEEM TO UNUSUAL FOR DOGS THAT HAVE IT IN THEM TO FIGHT BUT IT IS STILL JUST AS PAINFUL FOR THEM AS ANY OTHER DOG. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE GREYHOUNDS. IT IS A SAD SPORT IN WHICH IF THE ANIMAL DOES NOT PERFORM IT IS USELESS AND HAS A VERY BAD FUTURE IN STORE FOR IT. SO I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. AS FOR THE ABOVE TOPIC. YES SOME DOGS MAY HAVE A GENETIC URGE TO FIGHT. BUT THE DOGS THAT ARE TAKEN OUT OF PEOPLE'S YARDS AND STOLEN FROM ANIMAL SHELTERS (THE GALT,CA CASE AGAINST CESAR CERDA) THEY ARE USED FOR BAIT, OR THE CATS OR RABBITS OR SMALLER ANIMALS THAT ARE PUT IN FRONT OF FIGHTING DOGS WHILE THEY ARE ON TREADMILLS TO BUILD ENDURANCE AND THEN THE DOGS ARE UNLEASHED ON THE POOR LITTLE ANIMALS AS A REWARD, THOSE ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE THE URGE TO FIGHT. SO IF WE CAN ALL STOP THE FIGHTING IN GENERAL THEN ALL ANIMALS WILL BENEFIT. I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE ABOVE POSTING.

 

Answer by Metamorphosis
Submitted on 12/3/2003
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To: Dawg breeder ~
I am actually quoting what is written and what I've learned in my research re; various Mastiff type dogs.  I myself, personally, would never fight a dog- Period.  My point is that NO MATTER WHAT 'type' of dog you have (breedwise) is not necessarily an indicator of whether or not the dog will be aggressive/dangerous.  That has more to do with environment/training.  I know people who have rescued apbt from fighting and they are now pets.  Difficult, but still able to re-train what is expected of them.  
Re; breeds mixed to make a Tosa... Correct, those are the origins of the Tosa Inu.  There are various origins of all dogs... few are breeds (anymore) that have not been mixed or bred with some attribute in mind in throughout their histories. What was the point there?
I hope this discussion has everyone surfing the net to read and educate themSELVES re; this topic.  Knowledge is Power, afterall.
Peace
Metamorphosis

 

Answer by Metamorphosis
Submitted on 12/3/2003
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Excerpt for Inquiring minds re; Tosa fight information in Japan where it is still legal.  (Not that that is necessarily a good thing):

A Tosa is judged by how long his fights last, the quality of his opponents, and his exhibition of courage, and stamina. The longer a fight endures, the more he is honored. The fight is more highly respected if both animals fight stronger for longer without a kill. This is contradictory to fights staged in the United States, where a dog is more highly revered for quick wins and kills. Therefore, a Tosa with many quick wins will not be ranked as high as one with ony a few wins of bouts that lasted the duration.
A Tosa can earn a title but must either retire with it or maintain it. Retirement is self explanatory. A Tosa may lose a fight or two and maintain his title if the fights are good and long lasting. He may not lose many, however, before his ranking may be dropped. Contrary, if a Tosa wins too many matches too quickly, he will be forced to compete versus higher ranking dogs. The Tosa who wins the longest lasting bout of the Tournament will be that Tournaments Champion. Whichever dog fights closest to the full thirty minutes wins the match. If both dogs are still combative at the thirty minutes time limit the bout will be declared a draw and neither dog is entitled to the title being contested for.

~Hope it helped clarify some questions above

 

Answer by tom
Submitted on 12/3/2003
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THIS RESPONSE IS FOR GERMANSHEPMOM.YOUVE BEEN READING THE HUMAIN SOCIETY A LITTLE TO MUCH.A PITBULL DOES NOT HAVE TO BE TRAINED TO FIGHT BY USING PUPPIES AND KITTENS IN FACT MOST GAME DOGS WILL NOT EVEN HARM ANIMALS SMALLER THAN ITSELF WHICH INCLUDES PUPPIES AND KITTENS.THE MYTH IS THAT A PITBULL IS A CRAZED KILLER THAT WILL ATTACK ANYTHING THAT MOVES WELL THATS NOT TRUE.A GAME BRED PITBULL IS MOST DEVOTED PET YOU CAN OWN.ALSO OF INTEREST IS THAT DURING THE TURN OF THE CENTURY THESE WERE THE DOG OF CHOICE FOR FARMERS WHO NEEDED A TOUGH DOG THAT COULD BRING DOWN A BULL,COYOTE ETC. AND AT THAT TIME THE WAY THEY TESTED THEIR DOGS TOUGHNESS WAS IN MATCHES AGAINST OTHER PITBULLS THESE MATCHES WERE NOT THE FIGHT TO THE DEATH MATCHES YOU READ ABOUT IN THE PAPER IF IT WAS SEEN THAT ONE DOG WAS GETTING TO MUCH OF A BEATING THE MATCH WAS STOPPED. DOGS OF A GOOD GAME STRAIN A HARD TO COME BY AND MOST DOG MEN ARE NOT GOING TO LET THEIR DOG FIGHT TO THE POINT OF DEATH.A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU HEAR ON THE EVENING NEWS ARE MERELY CONCOCTED TO GET RATINGS.THATS NOT TO SAY THAT SOME IDIOT WOULD NOT TRY TO TRAIN HIS DOG USING COWARDISH METHODS ( PUPPIES & KITTENS) BUT THIS IS NOT NORMAL,AND ITS NOT NORMAL TO LET THE DOG FIGHT TO THE DEATH EITHER.

 

Answer by germanshepmom
Submitted on 12/4/2003
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IN RESPONSE TO TOM: AS A MATTER OF FACT YES I DO BELONG TO THE UNITED STATES HUMANE SOCIETY, AND YES THEY HAVE NEWSLETTERS. BUT, AND THIS IS A BIG BUT, MY HUSBAND IS ALSO IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND WE DEAL WITH PIT BULL RESCUE, SO I HAVE A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT GOES ON IN FIGHTING. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT NO ONE CHALLENGED MY STATS ON HOW MANY STATES FIGHTING IS ILLEGAL. IT IS IN FACT ILLEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES, IT IS ILLEGAL IN 46 STATES TO SPECTATE, IT IS ILLEGAL IN 39 STATES TO POSSESS FIGHTING DOGS. NOW WITH THAT SAID, WE WILL GET TO THE REST. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE (MY HUSBAND AND I) HAVE BEEN CALLED TO A HOME THAT HAS BEEN BUSTED, OR HE WAS INVOLVED IN A RAID OR BUST AND THEY HAVE FIGHTING DOGS. I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND AND WITH MY OWN EYES WHAT PEOPLE DO, AND YES THEY DO PUT SMALL ANIMALS IN FRONT OF TREADMILLS TO BUILD ENDURANCE. I NEVER SAID THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL LEARN TO FIGHT. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT IS BRED INTO SOME ANIMALS. I HAVE WATCHED COUNTLESS HOURS OF HOME VIDEO SEIZED AT THESE RAIDS MADE BY THE PEOPLE FIGHTING THESE DOGS TO SHOWCASE THEIR "PETS". I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN BAIT DOGS THAT HAVE BEEN INJURED SO THEY WON'T RESIST AS MUCH. I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN PUPPIES WHOSE MOTHER WAS A GOOD FIGHT DOG AND THEY NEEDED MONEY SO THEY PULL THE MOTHER AWAY AND FIGHT HER. THEN SHE IS TOO SICK OR HURT TO NURSE SO THE BABIES ARE DYING. I HAVE SEEN SO MANY HORRIBLE ACTS IN PERSON. IF YOU HAVE OR HAD SEEN EVEN A FRACTION OF WHAT I HAVE THEN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. IT SOUNDS TO ME YOU HAVE BEEN DOING A LITTLE TO MUCH RESEARCH ON THE NET RATHER THAN HANDS ON EXPERIENCE. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A PERSONAL SHOUTING MATCH BETWEEN YOU AND I. FROM YOUR PREVIOUS POSTINGS, I BELIEVE YOU ARE AGAINST FIGHTING AND THAT IS WHAT MATTERS. MAYBE I GET A LITTLE TO PERSONAL WHEN I PUT SOMETHING ON MESSAGE BOARDS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN HUNDREDS OF DOGS PUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THIS THEN IT GETS TO YOU. ALL ANIMALS ARE WONDERFUL AND SHOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO LIVE A GOOD LIFE. I AM NOT SOME PETA FANATIC WHO SITS ON TOP OF KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN TO PROTEST KILLING CHICKEN FOR FOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I AM A FIRM BELIEVER AGAINST DOG, COCK OR ANY OTHER KIND OF ANIMAL BLOOD SPORT. THIS ALSO INCLUDES DOG RACING. I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANIMAL TESTING IN LABS AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CIRCUS IN WRONG. ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE HURTING ANIMALS TO BETTER OURSELVES IS WRONG. THAT IS MY BELIEF AND I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME AND THAT IS THEIR RIGHT, JUST AS MINE IS MINE. HOWEVER, ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT PUTTING TO WONDERFUL DOGS IN A RING TO FIGHT FOR PURE ENJOYMENT AND TO MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER THAN OTHERS IS SADLY MISTAKEN. WE FORTUNATELY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE A FEW THAT WERE SCHEDULED TO BE PUT DOWN. AFTER LONG INTENSE REHAB WE HAVE PLACED 7 TO OTHER HOMES. ONE IS ACTUALLY MY NEIGHBOR. HER DOG IS LOVELY. YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW SHE WAS FOUGHT EXCEPT FOR HER SCARS. SHE PLAYS NICELY WITH ALL OF MY DOGS, (A K-9 GERMAN AND 2 ST. BERNARDS) SHE IS A SWEET HEART AND I AM THANKFUL SHE HAS ANOTHER CHANCE, UNFORTUNATELY, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THEY ARE PUT DOWN. I WILL SAY THIS IN CLOSING. IF YOU LOVE ANIMALS, AND YOU HAVE TO WATCH A DOG THAT IS SCARRED AND BLOODY BE PUT DOWN IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES THE WHOLE TIME BEFORE THEY ARE WAGGING THEIR TAIL AND LOVING ON YOU, AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN TO THEM, THEY ARE JUST HAPPY TO BE WARM AND FED, AND THIS WONDERFUL DOG IS SO MUCH FILLED WITH SPIRIT AND LIFE AND THEN IN A SECOND THEY ARE COMPLETELY LIFELESS JUST LAYING THERE ALL BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTED TO HAVE BRAGGING RIGHTS AND MAKE SOME MONEY. THAT WILL FOREVER STAY IN YOUR MIND AND HEART.

 

Answer by DOGGIE BOY
Submitted on 12/5/2003
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IT'S NOT, NOT! AGAIN NOT!!! A FIGHTER OK.

 

Answer by American psycho
Submitted on 12/5/2003
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Bullmastiffs are sweet they're like poodles, they love to chew shoes, cans, n bonez. They are no Fighter dogs =)

 

Answer by Duncan
Submitted on 12/8/2003
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No, the Bullmastiff is not bred to fight, and there are plenty of game pit out there that are not bred to fight, but to pull.  

However, just to answer your question, in rare instances, an exceptional bullmastiff may kill a game pit before it has a chance to prove it's game or drive to fight.  However, for the most part, like 95% of the time, a game bred pit would not only beat a bullmastiff, even a talented one, but would certainly kill it.  

I do not condone this cruel sport, and it is illegal in the United States, but like any dog fancy, I try to learn about their background.  The only two breed currently used are the APBT and the TOSAs in Japan.  The Japanese fight both the TOSA and the APBT(originally imported from American stock), but they rarely match the two breed together.  Gambling is not allowed during matches in Japan.  Both breeds are exceptional, and a bullmastiff will not last with neither of them in a real match, not just a squabble.  

If you would like to learn more about the Pit without all the hype and harmones, try pbrc.net, a non-profit organization that helps to rescue pit.  It has an EXCELLENT information on the breed's fighting background, break stick, and their 'sad reality section' will help you change your mind about illegal fighting.  I would encourage people not to buy any more Pits(pit type dogs, not just apbt) since they are overstock right now in rescued shelters all over the place.  If you are an EXPEREINCED dog owner, and would like a Pit, rescue one.  There are also puppies available too.  Each juvenile and adult dog has been thoroughly tested and human agressive pits are humanely ethunized.  

I encourage all dog lovers, especially pits to donate to this great website.


 

Answer by Metamorphosis
Submitted on 12/8/2003
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Duncan~ Great site!  :) I had checked it out before, but hadn't realized until I went <back> there.  I hope others visit the site... The FAQs were insightful and brave.  Kudos to that site.  Great one to share on this topic/link
Gratitude
Metamporphosis

 

Answer by dogman
Submitted on 12/10/2003
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humanly killed you mean, murdered is a better word,when you kill them can you hear them scratching to get out of the box you have them in? Do you gas them or do you  inject them with poison, can you even imagine tho horror when you Humanly kill the terrible beast . what a sick world

 

Answer by Brooklyn2real
Submitted on 12/12/2003
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THE ONLY GAMEDOGS IS A 30 TO 40 LBS PITBULL AND A 120 TO 130 LBS TOSA INU YOKOZUNA BLOODLINE. Bullmastiff is not fighting dogs they was made to get pouchers. Second not all Tosa-inu's is strong they are not the best on the planet pound for pound get your mind straight like lotto numbers. Korean jindo's is the strongest spitz breed. American Bulldogs and presa canary dogs they are strong but they lose intrest quick and lose fights. French Mastiff's also not a fighting dog but they are powerful dogs. That Bull cutta is corny as hell it can't fight and they are ugly. Neo's and cane corso's are to damn slow for a pitbull and a Tosa-inu.

 

Answer by bandogge_one
Submitted on 12/17/2003
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There are a FEW game bullmastiffs, they are exceptions to the rule.  Bullmastiffs may win against many dogs due to their size, strength and bite power. But in a fight with a pit or tosa that is game, the bullmastiff will most likely not win.  Bullmastiff are good for breeding with game pits. They add size and strength to pits. Most tosas and many, pits have been trained all their life to fight, not to mention bred for the fighting characteristics. As for tosas being the baddest dogs on the planet, wait just a minute. They can be very tuff, but their fighting style is different than most of the fighting breeds.  The reason pits are not allowed to enter the Japanese pits is because of rules the dogs must follow when fighting there.  The dogs must not bark and they are trying to push the other to the ground, yes while biting them usually. But this is a point scoring sport, not a fight to the death.  And I would have to disagree with Brooklyn. In the canary islands there are many game bred presa canarios that would kill a many game bred pits.  Also ca de bous make excellent fighting dogs if bought from a game breeder and not a show breed, which many Americans are. And come on, there are also many game American bulldogs, you just need to stay away from the sloppy ones that have again only been bred for size and looks.  As for the silly jindo, get real. These dogs couldn't fight their way out of a paper sac. If you had to use a spitz dog in a fight, which I wouldn't, the akita would be the best choice. However I do agree with you about the Neo's. Please people, these dogs are fine as gaurd dogs, but they are just to slow to fight with the gamey pits, tosas, ca de bous, presa canarios, and American bulldogs of this world.  As for fighting bullmastiffs,yes it does depend on the dog, and the way it has been raised. I mean come on people use rotts as fighting dogs also, though that's not what they were bred for. Of course you don't see too many large male rotts loosing fight either. But as a general rule bullmastiffs are good at what they are ment to be good at, stopping people (like poachers, or as a moderday gaurd dog) and as a companion.  Just leave it at that.

 

Answer by Brooklyn2real
Submitted on 12/27/2003
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LMMFBAO@BULLMASTIFFS BEING FIGHTING DOGS. YO
BAD ENOUGH YOU NAMED YOURSELF AFTER A CORNY BREED BUT TO SAY THAT HOT SH*T ABOUT BULLMASTIFFS TOP THE CAKE TO YOUR STUPID INFO. Canary dogs is not all that in the ring I seen IT WITH MY VISION ,New York,TEXAS. Second American bulldogs are good fighters but it depends on Blood because most Bloods such as screaming eagles is good guard dogs but not good game dogs I would have to say a sure grip blood would be good for the ring and when I meant AMERICAN BULLDOGS I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE JOHNSON TYPES GET YOUR MIND RIGHT. CA DE BOUS ARE HARD TO GET AND are way damn better then CAnary dogs PLUS I AGREE ON THAT THEY MAKE GOOD PERFORMANCE,BUT WHEN YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT CANARY DOGS LIKE THEY ARE HOT YOU ARE WRONG. And the Best Blood for Canaries I would have to say Urco Blood. And as for the Rottweiler Garbage you said, They not even Gladitor Dogs and they only can beat a few Dogs such as the Akita,Jindo,Bull Terrier(and yes I have seen it happen in my Nyc streets that a BT LOSING TO A ROTTIE so you can type whatever you want). Jindo'sis fast as hell but they just have average teeth strength and your right I will give you that...Akita's is the strongest and I was kinda talking garbage right there and they  can fight but once again Canary dogs cost to damn much and it is a waste I rather Buy the best Top 3 fighters which cost a Pitbull 500 and up,Tosa-inu 1200-3500 but it is worth it,and American Bulldog cost 800-1200 dollars.  So you leave it as that    

 

Answer by Pit Fighter
Submitted on 12/29/2003
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hey Brooklyn2real do you really fight dogs?  Because any real dog fighter knows that you can not get a good fighting pit for only 500 dollars.  My Pit "Duke" is one of the best fighting dogs in the state of Florida and he costed 1500 and that was a deal.  If your looking for a fighting dog pay some good money and get a Grand Champion pit bull.  forget all those little f*cking breeds that most people aint heard about.  And feed it gun powder and steroids and hot peppers in its food. And second you is a muf*ckin dumbazz because my pit Duke is 95 pounds no good fighting pit is 30 to 40 pounds!

 

Answer by BADPIT
Submitted on 12/30/2003
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FO SHOW A GOOD FIGHTER CANT BE A SCRAWNY 30-40 POUND PIECE OF NUTHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Answer by Corso rules
Submitted on 12/31/2003
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To the amateur who said corsos were too slow you should research before you speak.Cane corsos were bred specifically to be more athletic and energetic than all other mastiffs.I personally witnessed a neighbors pit bull that jumped the fence to attack my friends cane corso get its skull crushed in 10 seconds by this corso.I literally heard this dogs head crack like a nut.That is this dogs dedication to defend its owner.He surely was not too slow now was he.

 

Answer by stevo
Submitted on 1/2/2004
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bullmastiff is really hopeless has a fighting dog.no jaw,no legs,no agility and no gameness at all...why don't you guys talk about the giant poodle instead,i really thing he had more chances.         And a cane corso crushing a Pit Bull head in ten second.Are you sure it wasn't a Boxer jumping the fence.

 

Answer by Brad
Submitted on 1/4/2004
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I have heard far too many stories of (e.g. pitbulls) people owning these "fighting" breeds for many years until oneday they are proven wrong. These dogs are of course bred by humans to fight. No amount of training can take away instinct. My girlfriend had her thumb bitten off a week ago after the owner convinced her "he wouldn't harm a fly". The worst thing about these dogs is that their owners trust them.
To suggest...... "No dog is a fighting dog unless it's been made to be by a human,end of story!"  is absolute ignorance.
Please keep these dogs away from the public
or muzzled at all times.  Why on earth do we need "fighting dogs"?

 

Answer by Paddy
Submitted on 1/5/2004
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Bullmastiff are not fighting dogs, i have two of them and i have never heard them growl, i also have an American pit bull terrier, now they are a fighting dog,

 

Answer by stop dog fighting
Submitted on 1/5/2004
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forget all these pit bulls and bull mastiffs what u need is a staffordshire bull terrier.

 

Answer by Georgie
Submitted on 1/7/2004
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lmao at stevo the t**t

 

Answer by Zulu8
Submitted on 1/9/2004
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Anyone consider the South african Boerboel?
Anything that can handle a leopard sounds game to me.

 

Answer by aldogreenock
Submitted on 1/9/2004
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a boerbol would have little chance against another large mastiff...like a fila for example...a boerbol is not a fighting dog...it is a guard dog...like the bull mastiff...these are not fighting dogs

fighting dogs are-

Shar Pei
Tosa Inu
Akita Inu
American Pit Bull Terrier
Staffordhire Bull Terrier(not the american staffy though)
Bull terrier

and several others...boerbol,rottweiler,bull mastiff- excellent guard dogs- not fighting dogs

however these dogs due to there size and power will a lot of the time maul a smaller fighting dog e.g. pittbull...i mean how can a 80lbs pitt compete with a 200+lbs monster...it wouldnt get a chance to out fight it...

boerbols do not take out leopards on there own...they may chase a leopard away...but if it came to a one on one fight a leopard would easily beat one normally

they use filas for hunting jaguars in south america...jaguars are pound for pound the most powerful big cat in the world...

filas easily go to weights of almost 250lbs- and thats all muscle...i would say they are the most likely to beat any dog in a pitt

 

Answer by solo
Submitted on 1/10/2004
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A 130lb Cane Corso will demolish a pit. Breeders don't train Corsos to be fighters cause the dog is too big and potentially dangerous to little children. Plus they are expensive as hell. A pit wouldn't make it 30 minutes if a Corso was trained to fight. Breeders won't breed a Cane Corso if it has a mean temperment you idiots. THE DOG WOULD BE BANNED LIKE IT IS IN BRITIAN. I have owned pits and the are great fighters but they are not unbeatable.

 

Answer by ELIMINATOR
Submitted on 1/10/2004
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yOU ALL TALK ABOUT PITBULLS & STAFFA BULLS A TOSA-INU WILL ELIMINATE A PITBULL OR ANY BULL TERRIER OR ANY DOG ON THE PLANET HOW CAN A SCRAWNY 50 POUNDS AT MOST PITBULL BEAT 160 POUNDS OF TOSA INU ITS NOT RIGHT I WILL KICK A PITBULL AND DANCE ON ITS HEAD THEY CANT FIGHT A TOSA WILL SIT ON A PITBULL AND KILL IT ANY ONE WHO HAS A PITBULL AND BRAGS ABOUT IT BEING THE HARDEST DOG ON EARTH HAS SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES YOU TALK ABOUT BULL TERRIERS HELLO! WHAT ABOUT CANE CORSOS FILAS DOBERMAN GERMAN SHEPERD ROTTWEILER NEO MASTIFF OH YEAH ANOTHER THING A BULLDOG IS POSSIBLY THE WORST SLOWEST FATTEST THING IN THE WORLD A JACK RUSSEL WOULD KILL ONE GOD WHOEVER BRED BULLDOGS HAD A SH*T LIFE.

 

Answer by kane
Submitted on 1/12/2004
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Eliminator obviously forgot to take his pills today!!!

 

Answer by your all dumn, Im FBI
Submitted on 1/12/2004
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Why are you having this discussion? Do you plan on fighting your dogs, have you ever fought a dog? Well if your answer to the second question is yes, i would like you to leave your name and number in the reply and I will be happy to give you a call. Or what i could do is just track all of you down by I.P. address with the Little green box I have in my office... please feel free to comment, and see if Myself or one of my Co-workers don't pay you a visit.

 

Answer by jeff
Submitted on 1/12/2004
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a bull mastiff is not game because he put a pit on its back in 30 seconds , a dog is game when regardless of its injury's or exhaustion after fighting for hours whether its winning losing or dying will keep fighting. not a 30 second scuffle.I have owned Shepard's,cane corso,canary dog,tosa inu, fila and pitbulls.the true american pit bull terrier is bar none the gamest fighting dog in existance. period.ive seen a female pit who did her best fighting from her back mutilating the belly and neck of her opponents.and for the tosa,it will probably dominate a pit for the first 3-5 min of a fight ,which is the avg length of tosa fights.when running out of steam due to excessive size. the pit bull will then dominate till the fight is broken up or till the death of the tosa usually by loss of blood.my 50lb pit accidentally got in my Italian neighbors yard with his fila. the two fought probably for a lengthy time when my neighbor got home and separated them.upon sight of my dog i thought he was the loser with a nasty wound to his chest till i saw  the 100lb plus fila.he looked like he ran into a chainsaw losing most of his ears,nose,and a deep wound to his neck bottom causing him to lose a lot of blood. fortunately both dogs are ok now except the fila has some cosmetic faults, torn up ears and missing almost half his nose.im not trying to brag of my dogs ability's it was a accident but bar none the true american pit bull terrier is the gamest of all fighting breeds. more important he is extremely people and children friendly.

 

Answer by Big Lou
Submitted on 1/12/2004
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To:your all dumn, Im FBI

     You aren't FBI.  You don't even use correct grammar.   You should however look up the First Amendment.   Let the debate continue.

 

Answer by fortune
Submitted on 1/13/2004
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sum it all up the the pit bull is the best fighting dog out there because of its speed
some might say that a fila,tosa is better but they do not have the stamina withstand the fight of a pitbull. as far as a bullmastiff protection yes fighting no. i had a mix pit/bullmastiff 80lbs because of the pit in him he took out a 135lb rottweiler
so people lets just end this pit--champion.

 

Answer by Bulldogger
Submitted on 1/13/2004
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It might happen on different occasion that another dog might beat a pit-bull, american bulldog, tosa, etc. A very strong, well built, athletic, aggressive, and tough Bullmastiff will probably beat a very poorly bred pit-bull. When it comes down to the "Best of the Best" of those 3 breeds they will defeat other breeds of fighting and non-fighting backgrounds.  People need to also understand "pound for pound" comparison.  Tosa are 3 times the size of pits and twice the size of American bulldogs.  Lets have some one find a Tosa that is 55-70 lbs and try it out with a American Bulldog or Pit-bull of the same weight. And you will get your answer. You guys should get Carl Semencic's sbook "The World of Fighting Dogs". He has some good stories about all of the fighting breeds. But as an individual these breeds should be on their own pedestal for their abilities. Like said in Carl's book, "the pits fight is a very long one, the tosas is a very short one and the bulldog is in the middle." It is like compariing apples and oranges. Yes they are all fighting breeds but they have their own styles. Just like martial artists. There are masters of Muay Thai, Karate, and Kung-fu. They are all fighters but they all have a different style. What should be treasured is who is the best at that style.

 

Answer by Reddawg
Submitted on 1/15/2004
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Tosa are to big and not agile enough....get it past 20 minutes and it is done! Bullmastiffs are not fighting dogs..period! I would like to see  a game amstaff, bull staff or bull terrior?? Give me a game breed APBT any day!

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 1/17/2004
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i think any dog can fight but the ultimate dog fighting dogs are pitbulls dogo argentino anatolian sheperd and English Bull Terriers these dogs hav more agility in the ring then any others

 

Answer by The Game
Submitted on 1/18/2004
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Bull mastiffs are not fighting dogs. Me and my bull mastiff get the fighting and he never beats me. He shows a lot of heart but I always come out on time, I have "gameness". I'll crush your bull mastiff, I'll crush tosa, I'll crush your pit. Who wanna cross the line??? I'm HERE!! I'm HERE!!!!You fake dogs wanna see me?

 

Answer by The Game
Submitted on 1/18/2004
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Solo, a Cane is built to bite people not dogs. A good pit would annihilate a cane corso thats been trained to fight for 5 years. Check your history pit bulls have also done well against bigger dogs.

 

Answer by snoop dog
Submitted on 1/21/2004
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a dogo argentino have no game it is not a fight dog but a hunt dog

 

Answer by Truth
Submitted on 1/24/2004
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There is only one answer, there exists only one dog when one talks about dogfighting in the sense of "2 dogs in, one dog out".
-A 55-62lb fastlane, open to the world, "catchweight" APBT. Period, end of story.  This is the only Real Fighting Dog.

Their exists no other dog, that would show up and have the owner put up $25-50K to face such a dog, unless of course, the other dog was another similar APBT
or a "stupid and rich" "other dog breed owner".


A distant second would be a 110-125 Tosa of
-the finest Japanese breeding.(really tough rough rough curs)


Tough Dudes(rough curs) which can fight strong and hard for 10-20 minuites, but certainly wouldn't put $1dollar on them against any of above mentioned dogs and are not in the league of those above. (not ranked in any order)

-American bulldog
-American Bandog
-Canary Dog(Pressa)
-Spanish Bulldog (Ca de bou)
-Korean Jindo
-Pakistani Bullie Dogs
-Ovchatkas? (Russian herding dogs)

The next class of dogs which due to their size COULD be decent 5-15 min fighters which would/Could show the occational FREAK example (not ranked in any order)
-Neo Mastiff
-English Mastiff
-French Mastiff
-Spanish Mastiff
-Akita
-Kangal dog
-Cane Corso
-Dogo
-Fila
-Bull Terriers
-Boerboels

The next catagory and nothing to be embarrassed about, strong tough dogs but certainly shouldn't be put anywhere near "a box". Capable of good fights in the neighbour of 1-10 min.  With a freak dog possible which might move up one catagory.
(not ranked in any order)
-Rotti
-Bull Mastiff
-German Sheppard
-Boxer
-Ridgbacks

It is interesting to note and to conclude, the quality of gameness(fighting to the death)that is found in the true fastlane APBT's is found only in two(what I know of other examples in the Natural World.

-Man in war, either due to either patriotic, fraternal or religious beliefs

-Male lions who sometimes, (rarely) will fight and defend territory to the certain death, even when outnumbered against 2 or 3 other lions

Is it any wonder that since 99% of us lack this quality, that it is why this quality is so revered and held in the highest esteem? ("Heroes", "Heart of a Lion" and "gameness")








 

Answer by blizzard
Submitted on 1/25/2004
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The best fighting dog pound for pound is without a doubt The Napolitan Mastiff,he's fast,really immens powerfull,no dog can only even match the neo.
The only dog who could fight this brutal guy is the old brabanter bullbyter or a swinford bandog.
A Tosa or Fila will be no-match at all.
And a bull-mastiff is a real powerdog,he has the strenght but also the mind of not using this skill.

 

Answer by HARDMOUTH
Submitted on 1/28/2004
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This board jumped off the topic a long time ago. To answer your question. No, the bullmastiff is not a fighting dog. It is a excellent protection/Guardian gog. As far as fighting dogs there are only two true fighting dogs that are being used. Which are the Tosa-Inu and the APBT. Makes no sense to compare these two dogs because they are both fought under totally different rules. Als the Tosa outweighs the APBT by close to 70 - 80 pnds. A well bred condition Tosa of 120 - 140 pnds will last for 30 minutes at battle which is the standard time for a Tosa fight. I have plenty of tapes which I acquired from Toshi Kennels. APBT are the most game fighting dogs and toughest on the planet hands down. But when you have two well bred conditioned fighters who can take punishment. The APBT game usually does not matter because the Tosa would have punished it way too much for its gameness to take effect. ANY TRUE DOG MAN KNOWS THIS. Thats why they are rules and weigh in in dog matches. All other breeds of dogs are curs and can never rise to that level of competition. Including presas!!!

 

Answer by BoerboelGUY
Submitted on 1/29/2004
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First a Bull Mastiff is not a fighting dog.
Second the toughest of the "pit bull" breeds is the Staff, he has more game and stamina then a 90 pound APBT.Third if your APBT is 90 pounds then he is not purebred. A real APBT is 60 to 70 they just look 90.Forth A Boerboels is a dog I think you all were forgetting about.I've seen many dogs fight and pits do very well for there size but on average if you put a well bred pit against a well breed Tosa, Fila, OR BOERBOEL it will simply get over powered. I know a lot of people put bad bred large dogs against well bred pits to build the dogs confidence and to up their payback. The average idiot can't tell if the large dog is badly bred, so they bet on him. Boerboel are natural selection dogs, that means they are driven by instinct. A Boerboel from a working African bloodline will win at any cost, imagine a 140 lb pit bull. They hit with twice the power of the average rottwieler. Remember they have to be able to protect the farmers children when they tend the sheep from lions. They often kill leopards in one on ones. Beorboels will not just bark or bite an intruder they try to kill them. Beorboel were not bred they evolved. Strong dog survived the African wild to mate with the next strongest dog. In a fight they fight for their lives and will give up their lives for their family. They are more athletic then any other mastiff and can work all day long.

 

Answer by BoerboelGUY
Submitted on 1/30/2004
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To the asshole who has a 250 pound Fila . I feel sorry for your dogs man at 250 your dog can't move and problely got hip problems. Fila should be no more then 130, so they can work and not get tierd you idiot. Second I've owned both filas and boerboels. Filas are good against people and are really mean, but I can tell you never owned a Boerboel before or wouldn't have made that statment. Fila weren't bred to fight either.Boerboels are the most athletic of all mastiffs and are one of the most powerful. They are the closet to the origanil Assyrian dogs of war. Between a Fila a Boerboel or a Tosa you can't say that anyone breed is tougher then the other it's up to the individual dogs.

 

Answer by HARDMOUTH
Submitted on 1/30/2004
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Borboels are curs just like all the rest. They cannot compete. No gameness in these dogs and lack of heart when it comes to dog combat

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 1/30/2004
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THE BEST FITIN DOGS R BULLY KUTTA APBT BT A BULL MASTIFF IS BIG AND FAT AND CANOT FITE AND GERMAN SHEPERDS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DNT GET ME STARTED

 

Answer by cephas888
Submitted on 1/31/2004
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i had an apbt/bandog mix named"hercules" and he was between 132-137 pounds and ver athletic.he had more stamina than viagra and hit harder than tyson..a true beast and great with my kids even willing to take abuse from them.unfortunately,he's my second choice,i would have to go with a true unadulterated,game bred canary dog.tey are extremely vicious and has a bite compared to a hyaena.oh yeah!,also if you have a gamebred pit in the 90-140 pound range(not the sloppy bloodlines)the can roll around and stomp the smaller pits.my dog is undefeated against killers.actually,i fought some of them against my will because of peer pressure but it was good for my dog.it is rare that you find pits his size that are'ntlazy,well proportined,intelligent,fierce and has true stamina to the death...(and he's my second choice!).

 

Answer by DJ
Submitted on 2/3/2004
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There are many accurate statements here about the bull mastiff. They do not wish to fight. They should not be put into a position to fight. They will use their size and strength to stay off a fight. I have a female now. She loves people and she likes other dogs.I will not let her near a dog that's looking for trouble.
Many years ago I had a big Doberman and my neighbor down the street had a 130 lb Bull Mastiff.His Bully got away and eventually ended up at my house.My Dobe was outside and they got into it.By the time I got there the Bullmastif had my 110 lb dobe on this back. I pulled him off( he knew me) and told him to go home ( which he slowly did). When I looked at my Dobe, he was all wet. No bites, just slobber. He's lucky he didn't drown.
So, they can take care of themselves, but they really don't want to hurt anyone.

 

Answer by redboy/jeep
Submitted on 2/3/2004
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A GOOD GAMEBRED PIT WILL ALWAYS WIN

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/4/2004
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DOBES ARENT FITIN DOGS

 

Answer by DIRTY REDS
Submitted on 2/5/2004
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OHH MYY GODD!!!I HAVENT HEARD SUCH A GREAT BIG CROCKPOT FULL OF SH*T IN ALL MY LIFE.!!!FIRST OF ALL,BULLMASTIFFS AINT FIGHTING DOGS AT ALL.SECOND,THER IS ONLY ONE FULL ON FIGHTING DOG ON PLANET EARTH,THE AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER!NOTHING ELSE WILL EVEN COME CLOSE.PEOPLE GO ON ABOUT THE TOSA,THE TOSA FOR GODS SAKE!THE BEST BRED GAME(IF YOU COULD EVEN CALL IT GAME)TOSA BE IT AS BIG AND STRONG AS IT WANTS,WILL NOT,NEVER EVER IN A MILLION YEARS COME EVEN CLOSE TO A GAME BRED PITBULL,AND THATS JUST THE TRUTH,AND ALOT OF THE GREATEST PIT DOGS EVER HAVE BENN BETWEEN 29-40 LBS!!!

 

Answer by rascal
Submitted on 2/6/2004
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mine dog is type and do English mroe much butter then all your

 

Answer by cephas888
Submitted on 2/7/2004
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like i said,any game bred pit CANNOT beat a true presa canario,not a bandog knockoff type canary dog,a real one ...no way in hell.

 

Answer by Sonja
Submitted on 2/7/2004
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Just because Bullmastiffs are not really dog friendly dogs, does not make them fighting dogs. Every dog mistreated, beaten and abused will turn into a fighter, the cutes poodle mistreated could go on a rampage. Unfortunately there is a big misuse when it comes to Bullmastiffs when they fall into the wrong hands, because of their size, massiveness and power. However, whenever somebody ask the question if a Bullmastiff is a fighting dog, I get very very suspious about the reason for that sort of question...

 

Answer by wondering
Submitted on 2/7/2004
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who will win a fight between a true Presa canario and a  Boerboels?

 

Answer by brooklyn2real
Submitted on 2/7/2004
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DIRTY REDS THANK YOU SCHOOL THESE DUMMIES, CANARIO MASTIFFS IS NOT GOOD FIGHTING DOGS THEY ARE JUST BIG. ALL OF YA'LLare telling me that...A RED BOY/JOCKO,ELI MIX BLOOD AND A BOLIO PITBULL WOULD LOSE TO A CANARY AND CANE CORSO LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANNNN YO YA'LLREALLY NEED TO COME TO BROOKLYN NYC AND COME SEE ME AND TELL ME THAT IN MY FACE....YO THOSE AFRICAN BOERBOELS ARE NOT EVEN A TOPIC THEY ARE JUST WACK.....BULLY CUTTAS ARE CORNY AND THEY ARE SO EXPENSIVE AND THEY HARD TO GET.....THE JAPANESE MASTIFF I HAVE ONE AND I STILL THINK IT CAN'T BEAT A PITBULL ITS NOT AS GAME AS THE PITS BUT IT GIVES A PITBULL COMPATITION THEN ANY OTHER DOG AND I AM ABOUT TO BREED THEM BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT TO MANY IN BROOKLYN.....A REAL GAME BIG ASS SURE GRIP BULLDOG WOULD HURT A PRESA.....AND LAST AND NOT LEAST BULL TERRIERS IS NOTHING BUT FAMILY TO THE PIT AND THEY LOOK FOR SMALL THINGS TO PICK FIGHTS WITH.FILAS I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE SNEAKERS THE DOG IS EVEN WACK THEY NOT EVEN FIGHTERS

 

Answer by cephas888
Submitted on 2/8/2004
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I can understand your loyalty to pits but,there are a lot of myths about pitbulls also.first of all let a brother school you on size.most small pits that take on a larger pit isn't guaranteed a win.my dog would roll a game KILLER!! pit and kill it.he was a third neo mastiff.second of all,pits don't have the strongest bite,canary dogs have a true hyaena bite and they-will-finish the job.i have never seen one give up or run,they have a wildness bred in them that a pit does'nthave

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/10/2004
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TO CEPHAS THE BTS AND HYENAS HAV THE STRONGEST CANINE BITE THEY ARE THE ONLY DOGS THAT BITE BONE BRAKE IT DEN EAT IT AND DEY LOK TOO SO DNT TRY IT BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD AND ALSO DUS NE1 NO NEMORE OF DESE WEBSITES BASED ON FITIN DOGS!!!FAQS THO

 

Answer by Markdvdman
Submitted on 2/10/2004
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This is appalling!  How can one justify fighting dogs against each other you cruel, heartless tossers!

A dog is a pet and shows how bad the human race has condescended to become.

I have a pit bull terrier - 56lbs in weight who is wonderful.  A Jack Russell (a mad one off the leash) attacked him while he was on it.  He has never been bred by us to fight but how the hell i got him off that dog i'llnever know!  He will only bite another dog if he bites him.  He will attack dogs but usually to tell them to get away from his space.  NEVER advocate fighting - it is sick!!

As for the toughest dogs - the only one that has survived the annals of time is the APBT.  How are people so obsessed by size meaning hardness?  Ask Tyson to fight any great kung fu expert - (such as Bruce Lee when alive) and the kung fu aces will always win.  It is application of mind and pound for pound - NOTHING touches the pit bull.  You are crazy if you think otherwise!  I have seen people kicking my pit full on the head with steelies - he never flinched and he is not trained in any form of fighting training - he just loves a walk.  

Grow up!

Anyway - the bull mastiff is a loving dog.  Mine is great as long as he isn't riled up.

 

Answer by Murph
Submitted on 2/11/2004
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The most dangerous dog of all is none of the above. The most dangerous is the very rare Irish Devildog. A mix between a Wolfhound and other mysterious breds, it has the head of a Lion, the claws of a Grizzly and stands about 7 foot tall. My friend has one and the first day he got it, it ate 4 rotties & 1 st.bernard on him. Ate them whole, left not a trace of them. It could have a canary, a pit and one of them jap dogs at the same time without even gettin excited.

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/11/2004
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ARE U SURE IT WASNT A DINOSAUR??

 

Answer by italia
Submitted on 2/12/2004
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hell no they have no game what 150 lb dog has game

 

Answer by MardMouth
Submitted on 2/12/2004
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Tosa and Pit are the only true fighters. Presa and CAO come next in line. Bandogs do not count they are basically presas

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/12/2004
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BTS AND PITBULLS R FITE ALMOST DA SAME APART 4RM DA FACT BTS HAV STRONGA JAWS!!!

 

Answer by Real Dog
Submitted on 2/12/2004
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You people are almost laughable.  Game, no game, pit, canary, rott, staff, inu ha!!!!  I will admit that the PBT is a tough dog.  One of the toughest.  However, the Caucasian Ovcharka is a demon that will kill any of the dogs mentioned on this list in a heart beat and just for the pure pleasure of watching it die.  


 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/13/2004
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THAT CANT HANDLE HALF THESE DOGS.THER BIG FAT AND SLOW IT CNT HANDLE THE SPEED AND STAMINA OF THE APBT AND THE BT

 

Answer by Real Dog
Submitted on 2/13/2004
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Like I said, laughable.  You obviously don't understand or possibly don't have the experience FiGhTeR.  Killed in Action.  That is the demise of the APBT or the BT when put against an Ovcharka.  

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/14/2004
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NO U DNT UNDERSTAND DEM DOGS MITE B HERDING DOGS BUT THATS TOTLLY DIFFRENT TO FIGHTING DOGS THEY WUD GET SLAUGHTERED IN DA RING!!

 

Answer by Sonja
Submitted on 2/15/2004
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Am I the only one here that thinks that these {fighting dog"-experts are totally sicko and a disgrace for human kind?? Surely hope none of them owns a Bullmastiff!!!

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/15/2004
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UR RITE BOUT 1 FING!! BULL MASTIFF WUD GET SLAUGHTERED DEY CNT FIYE 2 SAVE DER LIFE!!! AND DATS ALL

 

Answer by pit mixer
Submitted on 2/16/2004
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these dogs should only be used for protection.  They are all good fighters, bred to protect.  But, fighting is illegal.  I would go see it if it was legal, but is isn't. So whoever's dog fighting needs to stop, before you end up on ANIMAL PRECINCT on ANIMAL PLANET, getting locked up.

 

Answer by BRUCE LEE
Submitted on 2/17/2004
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AS FOR TYSON IL WHOOP HES ASS REGUARDLESS OF HIS SIZE PALL... IL BE 10 TIMES AS FAST ..HAVE 10 TIMES STAMINA AND USE HIS FAT ASSWIEGHT AGAINST HIM ... THIS IS CHEET KWUN DOO

 

Answer by molosser
Submitted on 2/18/2004
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I think the Bullmastiff can handle his self in a street fight.The Bullmastiff was not bread to fight but look at his back round, the Bullmastiff is part of the molosser family which includes Pitts, Tosa's, American Bulldogs French Mastiffs and so on the history of molosser's are full of fighting. Pitt's and Tosa's are bred and were bred to fight but I think it really depends on the dog it self if you take a Bullmastiff are any other molosser such as the

Alano Espanol

Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog

Bandog's

Boerboel

Bully Kutta

Ca de Bou

Buldogue Campeiro

Ridgebacks

Perro de Toro

Dogo Guatemalteco

Cypro Kukur

Gull Terr

Perro Cimarron

Presa Canario

Cane Corso

American Bulldog's and not the Johnson type

and train them from the time their a puppy to fight and kill, and give it sterious, gun powder, and other stuff like that a number of molosser's could be a good fighting dog. By the way there are a number of molosser's that have great stamina, and I am not talking about the molosser breeds that were bread for looks, or for show    

 

Answer by BoerboelGuy
Submitted on 2/18/2004
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All of you who think a pit will beat a molosser type dog, I known pits have molosser in them. Are stupid. I think you  can't afford a real molosser from a working blood line, thats why you use pits. Their cheap and don't eat much. A well breed working molosser will have temperament and strength. Pits have a bite of 1,500 lbs psi. Molosser have a bite of 2,000 lbs psi.I said well breed. And too the guys saying boerboels are curs, I bet you never owned one. I've owned Filas, Tosas, a CO, and Boerboels and let me tell you I've worked them all. Boerboels are definitely not curs.

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/18/2004
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TOPOBY CHATS SENSE ALL DAT IS TRU BUT 1 TING Y R U TALKIN BOUT BRUCE LEE AND TYSON NEWYA BRUCE LEE WUD KIK HIS ASS

 

Answer by topboy
Submitted on 2/18/2004
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Fighter i hope you are just looking 4 an arguement you cant surely belive that Lee would beet Tyson.  Tyson is a seasoned professional boxer who has been smashed round the ring for over a decade by 200lb+ professional boxers.  Lee simply could not hurt him.  No doubt Lee is faster and more swift and agile on his toes.  But once cornered Tyson would smash him to bits like a little child then stamp on his head.  Tyson is a brute you cannot compare the two.  Lee was very skilled and used what he had to the best of his ability.  Its simply impossible for a ten stone man with no real fighting experience (only in movies) to take on one of the most explosive boxers of our time (obviously im talkin ten years ago). It would be interesting but Id bet my house on the outcome.
Bit off the point really.  Back to the original question is bullmastiff a fighting dog? This is what I believe.
The bullmastiff was not specifically breed to fight other dogs so no it is not classified as a fighting dog?
There we go questioned answered no need for all these big debates about which dog is the hardest.
But, I will add the bullmastiff could be a fighting dog if trained and it does show natural aggresion to other dogs.  But is still not classified.

 

Answer by topboy
Submitted on 2/19/2004
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Sorry if i sound stupid but why would you feed a dog gunpowder what possible benifits does it have apart from poisoning them.  Raw protein is what they need from red meat.

 

Answer by cephas 888
Submitted on 2/19/2004
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people feed dogs gunpowder because they are ignorant.you pay good money for a dog then feed it gunpowder...idiots!!!how about spending some time to train it so that you can bring out it's full potential....besides,gunpowder makes a dog crazy!!!and it just might bite your ass...this goes for those fake ass dog breeders,fighters and trainers.

 

Answer by molosser
Submitted on 2/20/2004
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Lets get away from the Bullmastiff talk for a secound, Is there anyone here besides me that thinks an English Mastiff could be a good fighting dog.

I know most people my not consider the Mastiff a fighting dog,I love Mastiffs but I have never owned one in fact I have nerver even heard of one with a mean temperment. I have been to alot of dog shows I have seen some giant Mastiffs I have seen some that were 37in and 254+lbs all Mass,Bulk, and Muscle  I have seen many that were way over 30in and 230+lbs and they were not fat or out of shape.

With that being said I sometimes have a hard time believeing that the modern day Mastiff we see was used to fight before because they are so nice.

Remember the Mastiff was first bread to be a war dog, and it was also used by the Romans in there bloody circus fights,but somewere along the road the gameness and aggressiveness was bread out of them, but I think that if someone could somehow horn that aggressive nature and fighting drive back into them by training them to be aggressive and traninig them to fight I think they would be real KILLERS.

I know most people would say the Mastiff is to big and slow and that it does not have enough stamina, most people think the Mastiff would get tired and the Pitbull would Kill it, but I think differently I think that a Pit would get tired first from wrestling with the bigger Mastiff.

(I think that when most people say Pit's can fight for 30min+ I believe them but that is a Pit fighting another Pit or dog it's own size or just a little bit bigger then it somewere around 25 to 50lbs more then it's own weight, there is a big difference between fighting a dog that is as big as a Mastiff and fighting another dog the size as another Pit. I think that if you had a mean, aggressive, Mastiff with the stamina, gameness and drive to fight I believe it would destroy a Pit and be a real KILLER.  

 

Answer by sommeroaks
Submitted on 2/20/2004
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I have been a veterinary technician since 1985, a Boxer owner/breeder/ & more importantly rescue home since 1986.  In 1987, I started teaching "household obedience" and then higher levels of obedience - including Schutzhund (levels I, II, & III !!!!)  Out of all of the breeds that I have owned/trained/treated medically & rescued - the BULLMASTIFF holds his head far above the rest.  Are they FIGHTERS??  ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!  Are they PROTECTORS??
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!  As an example, Id like to offer the following.  We own a 2 yr. old Bullmastiff.  We recently had to leave town on family business, and we were unable to take our dogs. (A first for me in almost 20 yrs!).  We hired a pet sitter thru a referral by our vet, and after at least 4
interviews, decided to let him stay with our (dog) kids.  When I called to see how things were going, Christopher said "Everything is going fine, except when I lay on the couch.  Your bullmastiff lays on me, and if I try to push him off, he presses down harder.  My response was "HE'S JUST DOING HIS JOB!!"  Hes protecting his property without growling/barking/biting etc...  My Bullmastiff, who has never seen a Game preserve in his life, instinctively protected our property when we werent there - WITHOUT FIGHTING!!!!!  He did it with his instinct of guarding property with his weight and muscular strength. Do I think Bullmastiffs are fighters?  NO WAY!!  If you dont believe me, a dog trainer, a veterinary technician, a breeder (of a different breed) and a rescue/foster home - then I dont know who else to believe.  I would much rather have a bullmastiff come to me for training or veterinary care than a shepherd, cocker spaniel, chihuahua, or worst of all, a chow!!

 

Answer by wondering
Submitted on 2/21/2004
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to boerboel guy or anyone:  which dog would win a fight between a Presa canario against a Boerboel?

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/21/2004
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mollosser so was the anatalion dog they used it 4 herding AFTER

 

Answer by cephas888
Submitted on 2/21/2004
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i think the presa would win!

 

Answer by argentino
Submitted on 2/23/2004
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Someone said in this forum that most used fighting dogs are all the "bull and terriers" (mostly pitbull), and not so often but present are the dogo argentino and fila brasilero. In south america, those two breeds are very common. But they are not at the level of bull terriers. Even so, they are much better fighers than bullmastiff, which is two big and heavy. Bullmastiff is not a fightin breed. It doesn´t mean that you can't find anyone.

 

Answer by brock
Submitted on 2/23/2004
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does anyone know anything about the Jindo dog and where I could find one?

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 2/25/2004
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I have an Akita. He is 110 lbs. A tough dog, able to defend himself, and he has a strong prey drive. I looked into acquiring a Tosa but I found out that they are not human aggressive, but only dog aggressive. The pit bull was the same, and I also didn't think that I would be able to get a quality pit bull. I needed a dog that would at least protect my property. The Akita was a good choice, it is a silent dog, almost never barks (only when there is danger). It can withstand the cold temperatures here in Canada (-30 F) where as many other breeds would struggle. I would have liked a dog that was the best fighter in the world, and was also the best guard dog in the world, but this doesn't seem to be possible. So I had to choose a balanced dog, and the Akita was appropriate for where I lived. I'm sure that there are more dogs that fit into this middle ground, and are all around effective dogs.

 

Answer by naz
Submitted on 2/26/2004
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dogs dont fight unless they are trained to fight but what ever you say there is one dog which is born to kill and that is a road digen rich back them dogs are born to kill from walsall

 

Answer by pitbullstyle2005
Submitted on 2/26/2004
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OOHH DAMN THERE SOME STUPID PEOPLE IN HERE,LOL..BULLMASTIFF,NEO,TOSA,AKITA OR ANY OTHER DOG,IS NO MATCH FOR A DECENT APBT OR AMSTAFF,YOUR JUST DUMB IF YA THINK SO AN IF YA GOT A BULLMAST OR NEO OR AKITA THATS BEAT A APBT OR AMSTAFF,THEY WERE JUNK,I HAVE AMSTAFFS AN PITS AN KNOW HOW SERIOUS THIS ANIMALS CAN GET FROM 15 YRS EXP,AN IVE HAD MANY OTHER BREEDS OVER THE YRS,AN NADDA COMES CLOSE,ANY DOG MAN WHOS BEEN AROUND TRUE GAME DOGS KNOWS THESE OTHERS ARE A JOKE FOR A 3X OR ROM TITLED GAME BULLY..I HAVE A ELI,TURTLE BUSTER,TONKA MALE ONLY 50 POUNDS TIGHT 56 MAYBE CHAIN WEIGHT AN ID PITY ANY BULLMASTIFF OR NEO,AKITA OR OTHER CRAP THAT MADE ITS WAY IN OUR YARDS..LMAO..SHANE DEVANTI..

 

Answer by cephas888
Submitted on 2/28/2004
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your turtlebuster will never stop a presa-NEVER!! in your 15 years of experience,have you ever fought your dogs against one?

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 2/29/2004
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CEPHAS SHUT THE FUK UP IT DEPENDS ON THE ACTUAL DOG NOT THE BREED UNLESS U R A BULL TERRIER AS THEY HAV MORE COURAGE THAN ANY OVA DOG ALSO THE STRONGEST JAW ALONG WITH HYENAS

 

Answer by PaddyWack
Submitted on 3/1/2004
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NOBODY HS YET TO MENTION THE KERRY BLUE TERRIER!!!!! A KERRY WOULD NOT BE IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS A PITT OR A TOSA BUT WOULD EASILY KILL ANY ROTTI OR GER SHEPARD OR BOXER. I HAVE SEEN MY OWN KILL A ROTTI UP THE ROAD FROM US. THE ROTTI WAS OFF THE LEAD AND CAME  UP TO US  AND GROWLED. MY KERRY MADE A LUNGE FOR ITS THROAT AND HAD IT RIPPED OUT IN LESS THAN 30 SECONDS. HAD YOU EVER FELT THE RAW MUSCLE IN A KERRYS NECK AND BACK JAW YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. SO WHY WAS THIS BREED NOT MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY

 

Answer by Tosalover
Submitted on 3/1/2004
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To the person who said the Tosa was not allowed in the ring with a APBT in Japan. This is false. I have been to Japan and witnessed such fights. They have to match the weights as best they can. The Tosa usually outweighs the APBT by 10-15 lbs. Even in the heavy weight division. The ONLY true fighting breeds left on this planet are the Tosu Inu and the American Pit Bull Terrier.

 

Answer by surefire
Submitted on 3/1/2004
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Paddywack wake up you idiot you talk alot of b******s!!!!!!!!!!

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 3/3/2004
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TO TOSA LOVER THE FACT IS NE DOGZ THAT WER BRED TO FIGHT KAN STILL FIGHT THEY HAV THE GENE SO SHUT UP

 

Answer by PaddyWack
Submitted on 3/4/2004
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Im not an idiot. kerries where originaly bred in Kerry to hunt foxes and fight with their neighbours local terriers. Im not saying that they are a pitt dog but in a street fight they are an INCREDIBLE fighter. If you know anyone who ownes one, ask them. They could easily KILL any of the so called tough german breeds, ie rotti, GS or a Boxer. Thats my point

 

Answer by jock
Submitted on 3/6/2004
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I own a 210lb neo mastiff, which recently killed my best friends APBT, as soon as we heard them going at it and got outside it was too late,it looked like the pits lower back was broken,damn shame.
Saying that my friends pit was not from fighting breed, but then nither is my neo who did outweigh the pit by about 150lb.

 

Answer by Jason Jeorme
Submitted on 3/11/2004
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I have had a few bull mastiff's I think they are great dogs. They love there family and if needed, I think would protect them. The bully boy I have know, I have never seen in a fight, I hope to keep it this way. He loves dogs, and playswith them just fine. The bully I had before this boy was very different. He got into a few fights at a young age, when he got older I could not bring around any male dog that was over 30pounds, because if given the chance he would kill them. Sumo (thats is the name of the bully I am talking about right now, was the most obedient dog that I have ever had, good with people great with kids, but a few fights, changed this 150 pound dog into most dogs worst nightmare. Holly is the bully I have now, he is the best I have seen with other dogs. I think that Bull mastiff are friendly dogs. I don't think that they are born ready to fight ever dog they see, but you might want to spend time with them and watch there behavior, so as they grow, they could enjoy there time with other dogs, and you.

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 3/12/2004
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A dog that is too specialized is not a good dog unless he is being used for that specific purpose. There are a lot of good all around dogs and the Bullmastiff seems to be one of them. I think that a Bullmastiff can handle himself in a dog fight against any breed, but at the same time he's probably a good protection dog. If you wanted to fight dogs in a pit to the death, than you'd probably go with pit bulls and Tosa's However in many other situations those dogs are not effective.

 

Answer by FiGhTeR
Submitted on 3/14/2004
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WELL ACTUALLY UDE PROBZ GO 4 PIT BULLS AND EBTS

 

Answer by david
Submitted on 3/14/2004
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south korean jindos and north korean poong san dogs r da tru fighters
they hav great strength, speed and good stamina jindos will never give up it will fight to da end and poong san dogs r capable if hunting tiger so stfu cuz these krn dogs r da best

 

Answer by TankthePit
Submitted on 3/18/2004
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Okay, so I think it has been concluded that Bullmastiffs aren't fighters and will never be fighters. The fact is they were bred to stop humans not fight dogs. They will probably win against another non-fighting type dog of equal or lesser size but will never defeat a fighting breed.

I also want to let everyone who thinks "this & that" dog breed are the BEST fighters.....PIT BULLS are the #1 dog-fighters in the world. They have been since they were created and they probably always will be. I do NOT and will not EVER fight dogs. I think it is sick and twisted. However, my pit was attacked by two dogs last summer. Both much larger than he was and he was only 9 months old at the time. He kicked the sh*t out of both of them. Hows that for a good fighter? A puppy, not bred or trained for fighting, destroying 2 much larger dogs!

And to all of you who think that Pit Bulls are just bad dogs and should be banned. That is a bunch of crap. Pit Bulls are one of the kindest and loving dogs out there unless their OWNER trains them differently. I have owned Rottweilers, Akitas, Labs, Beagles, German Shepherds, Mastiffs, Chows, and Pit Bulls. Guess what....the Pit Bulls were some of the best ones to take in public. The Pit I have right now is the nicest dog I have ever owned.

 

Answer by americanbulldog21
Submitted on 3/19/2004
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i personly think american bulldogs are one of the toughest dogs. they are by far stronger then any pit ive ever seen. pits are over rated..

 

Answer by John
Submitted on 3/21/2004
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I'm in the military and have lived in Korea off and on for 8 years.  The Jindo is nothing, not even a fighting dog.  My wife's male Shar Pei has kicked the crap out of 2 of them, and most of the time Jindo's just run away.  They are good pets, that's it.  Kerry Blue's are great dogs and very tough, but come on, they do not kill Rotties.  I owned one for 15 years (my childhood dog) and he won many fights, but a big dog would just be too much.  Pits are #1, they never quit.  Sure, these other dogs may (and do) win against Pits sometimes, but most of the time the Pit wins with 1 noteable exception.  I've seen Presas and Beorboels (who do not kill leopards 1 on 1, the leopard runs away, which is lucky for the dog) and Corsos and Tosas all in fights against Pits, in Central Asia where the fights are legal and part of the culture.  Pits win almost all of the time.  But Pits do NOT win most of the time in fights with Caucasian Ovcharka's and neither do the other breeds.  When I've been in Kyrgyzstan, I've seen Ovcharka's kill Tosa's on 5 different occasions, and these fights did not last long (less than 10 minutes).  I've never seen a Tosa win, and never seen a Beorboel beat an Ovcharka either.  I've seen 4 Ovcharka versus Pit Bull fights and only once did the Pit win.  Ovcharka's are much, much faster than the other big dogs (150 lbs or more) the other dogs have trouble with all that hair, and Ovcharka's keep fighting even when they're injured, just like a Pit does.  Pound for pound, the Pit is the King, but I've never seen a dog as awesome or as scary as a true Caucasian Ovcharka.

 

Answer by Nz-Hunter
Submitted on 3/22/2004
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I have 2 french mastiffs and 2 APB i use them for hunting pigs here in new Zealand i believe that both these breeds of dogs (when trained right) have exceptional take down power to either other dogs or pigs. for example take the pitty my 3year old male has taken down a 200lbs boar own his own i mean for christ sakes a pig with 6inch tusks will whip your balls off in seconds any of these dogs with the guts to go in and take down a pig like that on its own is well worth it in my books.I have found the mastiffs work well as a pair one on either side of a pig is an awesome sight.I have been running pig dogs for the last 7 years and you soon know whether the dog has balls or not and both theses breeds certainly do have balls.

 

Answer by Jason
Submitted on 3/25/2004
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Is it just me, or did the topic of are Bullmastiffs fighting dogs or nonfighting get lost?

 

Answer by glenn bailey
Submitted on 3/25/2004
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busta sucks knob cheese

 

Answer by max
Submitted on 3/25/2004
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Hi!
Which is the dog is the strongest and most powerful Enter AKITAS and ALASKAN MALAMUTE?


 

Answer by Kevin
Submitted on 3/27/2004
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Oh my the Alaskan Malamute is VERY VERY good dog fighter, My Malamute 130pound PIN Other dogs.

EX: My Malamute Attacked Tosa and Pit As not chance MY malamute is very godd dominator.


 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 3/27/2004
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Malamute versus Akita is difficult to predict. The Akita historically has been used in pit fighting, and was phased out by the Tosa, but the Malamute has not been bred for fighting.

Do you really want an Akita and a Malamute to fight to the death? Both dogs are far to beautiful to be subjected to cruelty.

I think that both an Akita and a Malamute would be able to defend themselves in any fight, but they are Nordic breeds and are both useful working dogs. These two breeds may be able to co-exist in relative peace.

 

Answer by Kevin
Submitted on 3/27/2004
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Hallo

If you aver proof that a malamute would be not this defend in a fight I would like to see ca on photo or video.

Has any  you have of the video or photo of fight of dog has to share with me?

my adress e-mail is  

nathan_colin@hotmail.com

verry thanks!!!

 

Answer by Vic
Submitted on 3/28/2004
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Look up my breed, Dogue de Bordeaux. . .

 

Answer by massy
Submitted on 3/29/2004
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My Black Lab is verry TUFF dog

ANY dog i not chance face to my black lab

:-)

 

Answer by Brooklyn2fast2real
Submitted on 3/30/2004
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THE best fighting dogs on the EASTERN HEMESPHIRE IS THE JAPANESE TOSA And that African hunting dog Hyena with the strong teeth that can chew large bones. WEST HEMISPHERE ITS THE AMERICAN PIT BULL END OF STORY WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE STILL ON THIS TOPIC ON WHO IS THE BEST Fighting DOG. And who ever said that A FILA WOULD BEAT A TOSA THAT IS A DAMN LIE. the starting weight on a light tosa is like 100lbs and they have strong bites and I have a tosa he is well balance and I don't feed him that cheap food. I train him so he wouldn't look sloppy like those mastiffs ya'llsee on those pictures on the net. American Pit Bull are nice dogs they not P*ssy either. French Mastiffs are not good fighters. A Presa Canary would murder A lot of European Mastiffs Neos is slow,CORSO SEMI FAST BUT IS NOT FAST ENOUGH,FRENCH MASTIFF CAN'T FIGHT.

 

Answer by WINGS
Submitted on 3/31/2004
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To the dip ship above who thinks that french mastiffs cant fight you must have a very small brain to come to that conclusion i have seen french mastiffs used in hunting here in france they are used on boar and deer they certainly can stand there ground.As for you training your dog you wouldnt know how to train the hairs on your head. That has to be the dumbest thing ever written in here (trained not to look sloppy)by feeding him top line food what a load of CRAP.stop dreaming little boy and grow up before you even think of answering anymore questions.

 

Answer by Vic
Submitted on 3/31/2004
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First I don't condone dogfighting!!!Anyway, Brooklyn2fast2real - do your homework bud. Look into the history of baiting and dogfighting and look into the history of the Dogue De Bordeaux. Also you should look into the history of the other fighting breeds to see what they are composed of. There wouldn't be some of these dogs without the Dogue De Bordeaux or at least they wouldn't be the same.  They have a very, very distinguished history themselves and, like everything, their time passed BUT they used them to breed jaw strength into other breeds and they also had a good talent for getting under opponents to get the neck. They aren't quite the same today as they used to be but I personally wouldn't get nervous if any kind of creature wandered into my yard with my 2 mastiffs out there.  You just make yourself look bad when you don't know what you are talking about.

 

Answer by unknown
Submitted on 4/2/2004
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All I have to say is that most dogs, fighters or not, would put themselves on the line for their owners.  That's why they are man's best friend.  Also if you want to know if a Bullmastiff can fight you should try messing with someone that has one then make comments.  I have one and another on the way.  Lets just say, no dogs have approached him in any harmful way.  He is as sweet as the next dog but dont mess with his owner or you will be in for a BIG surprise.

 

Answer by tom
Submitted on 4/3/2004
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what about dogo argentinos? are they good fighting dogs?

 

Answer by americanbulldog21
Submitted on 4/3/2004
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i think dogo's could possbly be great fighting dog they have very strong jaws..i saw a pit and a dogo fight at the park and the dogo sent that pit crying all the way home...

 

Answer by Keep Scratchin
Submitted on 4/5/2004
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When it comes to a fighting dog,if it aint pit, it aint spit. Lets get real people. A 100lb plus bull matsiff, toso, dogo,or any other dog of that size should whip a pit that weighs 38lbs. The odds of one of those dogs winning within 10 minutes are good, but if the match last over 10 minutes, all the dogs you folk are bragging about would be curred out by a game american pitbull terrier. Im not talking about just any pitbull but one that has been really turned on. Put it this way, if a match involved a 50 to 65lb gamepitbull vs a 100+ whatever  dog Ill bet the whatever dog would jump the ring and be curred out. Keep Scratchin

 

Answer by mac
Submitted on 4/9/2004
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Sad very sad.To boast and brag about about the various fighting breeds of dogs.All dogs will fight some better than others.Its not the dog its the owner trying to make a name for themselves.Get yourself a poodle get some real street cred you fools

 

Answer by Thor
Submitted on 4/9/2004
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this is whacked.....any dog can fight,and fight well(very sad fact)...but NO dog should have to make up for it's owners'insecurity

 

Answer by BIG JOHN
Submitted on 4/12/2004
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I BREED GAME BREED PIT BULLS AN THE ARE THE ONLY TRUE FIGHTING DOG .LOOK AT MATCH REPORTS OVER SEAS PITS WIPE TOSAS WHEN MATCH RIGHT EASY.SO IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT U SHOULD NOT GIVE AN OPINION ON IT.AN TO THE PEOPLE IN HUMANE SOCIETY YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID TO

 

Answer by Daniel
Submitted on 4/13/2004
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  the BEst fighting dogs are the ancient Sheafer Grt they weight were like 140 punds teeth like wolfs  could kill any dog still today  sheafers are strong

 

Answer by mac
Submitted on 4/16/2004
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Has anyone ever heard of the Pitbullpoodle or the Massivemastiffterrier.Now they are true fighting dogs.DOES IT MATTER.

 

Answer by Sarah, human calculator or animal lover
Submitted on 4/20/2004
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Does it matter? There dogs and needs to be treated with love and kindness. But If I had to choose I'd say they are non fighting dogs that does not want to be INJURED. I don't think they even want to be fighting other dogs for fun or what ever you call it, there just doing it because your making it.But I will say this-if they need to fight then they need to fight.

 

Answer by montana
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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i can tel that by the way you guys are all biging up the pits and the tosa,shows that your pit and tosa lovers, your forgeting about the akita, man this dog kicks ass, it is crazy, ive always wanted a pit or a rotties,but the thigs i hav seen these dogs do to the likes of pits, rotties and even bullmastiffs, is unreal, its big strong and very fast, and doesnt stop for nothing, it has got pure (ki) killer instict and a very high prey drive and a compleat mind of its own which seperates it from other breeds.

 

Answer by 3D
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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I have raised Akitas all my life and I would like to state they are not the best fighters. They are to slow. Strong, but not that strong. pound for pound the best fight dog is PIT BULL. Over all best fighter is TOSA. Do some research, you will find by expirement TOSA beat every dog accept larger PITBULLS. No body even uses AKITAS any more. Only true fight dogs are PITBULLS AND TOSAS. ANY BODY WHO FOLLOWS DOG FIGHTS SHOULD KNOW THAT

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 4/21/2004
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As an Akita owner, I'd rank the Akita in the top ten fighting dogs, probably at number seven or eight, at one time he was used in pit fighting and he was bred to have some fighting characteristics, so they are capable fighters, but as an all purpose Nordic breed, with protection, hunting, and survival characteristics, it's easily in the top three. It's an awesome dog for people living up North.

 

Answer by john
Submitted on 4/22/2004
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well a friend of mine has a female akita weight about 130 pound, and is 29 inch's to the sholder, and fights it, and hasnt lost yet, and the way it picks the pitbulls up in its mouth is like they are nothing, i agree it is not as quick as the pit, but for a big dog belive me it is quick, i guess at the end of the day any of these dogs could beat each other on the day, but really what does it matter, they are all strong dogs! and in there own way as strong as each other

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 4/22/2004
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Yeah, the Akita is not slow. At least my Akita is not slow, and they can run at 25 mph as well which is fair. They are great hunters of bear and deer (and rabbits :+) so they have endurance.

If anything the Akita was beaten out of the fighting pit by the Tosa Inu because the Tosa was stronger physically and bigger.

An Akita is big, athletic and well kept in appearance. They are good looking, and have tails that curl up and ears that always stand up, they are charasmatic in appearance, bred as dogs of Japanese royalty, not as gladiators, but as regal pets of landlords, not sheep hearders, but hunters.

You can make an Akita a vicious fighter and they will do well, but the Tosa is probably the dog you want, as for a big fighting dog, if you had a 140 - 160 lb Tosa, it will win any fight, even against pit bulls and ovcharkas. I wouldn't fight a 80 lb Tosa against a 50 or 60 lb pit bull though, because I think that the Tosa'sbest chance is it's size and strength and the fact that it is a miss match against other dogs, and has high pain tolerance and gameness. Pound for pound the pit bull is the best fighter.

 

Answer by mac
Submitted on 4/22/2004
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sarah,human calculator or animal lover.The does it matter was not meant in an indifferent way to dog fighting.read other replies

 

Answer by ashley aka small j
Submitted on 4/22/2004
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all I HAVE TO SY IS SOME OF THE GUYS HERE REALY KNOWW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT,UNLIKE fiGhteR TALKS A WHOL LOT OF BULLSH*T.FOR THE RECORD IM ONLY 12 YERS OLD AND AM A CITIZEN OF SOUTH AFRICA.I SAY BULLMASTIFFS AREN'T FIGHTER DOGS BECAUSE THEY GOT NO GAMENESS.

 

Answer by 123
Submitted on 4/22/2004
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OK, the only fighting dogs are pit bull, and tosa...the winner between those 2 all depends on how well the dog is trained.None of these other big fat dogs can win. Pit bull gets under them, rips out their jugular, thats all folks.Tosa would also win.The end.Dog fighting is wrong but interesting none the less.

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 4/25/2004
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If a person raised a socialized pit bull, at least socialized to humans, than that would probably make a good dog, especially if you lived in America. It is difficult to get some of these other breeds that are native to other regions. I was able to get an Akita fairly easily because I live closer North and the winters are longer, and the Akita is appropriate for this climate. Your best bet is to get the best dog for your area, and the pit bull is good for most regions of the USA. That's if you want a strong dog that will win most dog fights, you might and might not have to do extra work if you want him to protect your home. Personally I like a combination, and my dog doesn't like to be at home all of the time, so I have to be able to take him out in public. He seems to do fine with other dogs and humans, unless you somehow add raw meat bones into the situation, because he gets violent when protecting raw meat, and he will definately bite anyone because he thinks that they are trying to take the bone away. It's only than when I question whether or not I like to have a tough dog.

Under this formula there are a number of good working breeds in your geographic area what will satisfy fighting and protection requirements. Since dog fighting is illegal, there isn't much use for gladiator breeds, and you have to consider a law suit or fine, if you can not control your dog. The biggest thing to worry about is whether or not your dog will attack a smaller dog who can't defend himself at all, or whether he will attack children (which depends on your neighbourhood) and family.

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 4/25/2004
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pitbulls that are fought and have won,in the pit are unbeatable.afterall you would not expect every beagle to be a great rabbit hunter.but the very best ones are.same with all other breeds.they do what they have been bred to do.people that who talk of other breeds surpassing pits in fighting ability are merely displaying their own ignorance.thats what they do and the best ones are just that.the best fighters in the world!

 

Answer by rabidrabbit
Submitted on 4/26/2004
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im sorry to inform you all that dog fighting is so yesterday!!!now we TRUE pit fighters use very rare game breed bunnies.we fought our bunnies(just for fun) againt several pitbulls, tosas and even a wooly mammoth.the bunnies always win. i am now teaching my bunnies kick boxing, and they do very well at that too. im going to open a kennel soon called badazz bunnies. look me up soon!!!

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 4/26/2004
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do not ask,if you do not want the facts.i have been around rough dogs all of my life. yes there are many breeds that,will fight.none are so purely bred for fighting as the pitbulls.most dogs want to live and will save themselfs.by running.bullmastiffs are big dogs that are willing to fight.no doubt!but they will give up long,long before a game apbt.i know of one fight between,a 90lb. doberman,and a 130lb.bull-mastiff.it was a very even fight.with the   bigger dog running out of steam.after less than 10min. the dobe gained a litte at the end.but it was plain neither wanted to go to the death.that does not happen.with the best pitbulls.so there you asked and this is the truth,you may not like it.but what is.do not ask if you do not want to know!

 

Answer by kev
Submitted on 4/26/2004
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Answer by Zena
Submitted on 4/26/2004
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Buy a book, its called GLADIATOR DOGS.  It will address the wimp dogs from the fighting dogs.  Pound for pound a Tosa will win, simply because, have you ever seen a 150 lb pit.  The Tosa was bred and then bred again for over 100 years to create the ultimate fighting dog.  It is outlawed in most of Europe because "it is considered a 320lbs raging, unstoppable pitbull".(you can find this on page 192.  The Tosa was bred for long fights, loyalty, and family protection.  I raised Akita's and although it is a great hunter and at one time was used for fighting, when it started losing to some pits, it was replaced by the Tosa.  Some Akita's that are over 120 lbs have a line of Tosa heritage.  Oh, and some pits have been banned from parts of Europe also because of aggression.  I now own a Tosa after my 14 year Akita passed.  He is 2 years old and so far has rid my family from my neighborhood German Shepherd and two pits that constantly terrorize my neighborhood in the sticks.  I have two sons under 4 and I am a stay at home mom, my husband is an insurance agent, we don't fight dogs and we don't like those that do.  We don't want our family mauled so we sought and now have the ultimate protection, also a 357 mag. Which works well.  The two pits still roam but they do not come toward my property, nor on the road in front of my property.  As far as those that are extremely against these "Gladiator Breeds" or other aggressive animals, are you in good hands?  Are you safe in own yard or at the park?  A Giant Poodle or Shephard can grab your child before you know it.  You can't shoot a dog while it runs with your child in its mouth.  And, well, your Lab just won't do the trick. These dogs were bred originally not for sport fighting but for family protection against wild animals and only the best protectors were then used for sport fighting.  Please understand before you criticize.  WE ARE SAFE, WE OWN A TOSA!

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 4/27/2004
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so what those so called pits,are running loose.they are not the baddest pits. if they where,they would just as soon fight  each other.besides pitdog men do not alow there dogs to run.tosa my rump!just keep your cur out of the pit.the top apbt,are there!

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 4/27/2004
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tosas,are bred for size with a bunch of non- game breeds.i have seen them killed,by the best pitbulls,in as little as 15min. sure the pits were the very best and 70lbs.+   but they toasted the damned tosas.ever think it strange that everyones always throwing up,all of these other breeds as being able to best the apbt at his own game, but the dog-fighters only use the  pitbull?

 

Answer by JohnWayne
Submitted on 4/27/2004
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I would not fight my red nose against a Tosa, Boerboel, Dogue De Bordeaux or a Presa Canario.  These dogs have been used and bred to be the best at their game.  They have been bred to go long and to maximize the damage.  Whether the fight be short or long these dogs deliver the most punishment in the shortest amount of time.  I only purchase my pits from overseas so not to get your inbreeds around the USA.  Everytime I get put into a Drag Fight with a 125 lbs. Tosa, I am very impressed with its enthusiasm.  The larger dogs that are heavier than 150lbs are not as fast or agile, so before your dog goes up against one of these breeds do your homework.  A Tosa and Boerboel will continue their fight with enormous tenacity up to 30 minutes and sometimes longer.  When my Red Eagle weighing at 85lbs lean out was finshed his fight with a Dogue, he was useless.  These large breeds have been bred and trained for more than 300 years not 100 like someone said earlier for fighting.  We find approved vendors hidden away from eyes to fight our best, while in other parts of the country they fight openly.  There is proof of a Boerboel name Welleen Yster that killed 3 leopards in its life time before it was killed by one.  The Boerboel weighs in at 115-150 lbs. and stands about 25 inches.  You need to understand the pain tolerence and genetic makeup of these breeds.  These other countries found the mistakes in our pits (American Pitbull Terrier) and took it to the next level.  You mentioned the non game dogs used in breeding, did you know why?  The survival, the attack, the intelligence, and the ability to fight the next fight.  If you still want to hear more read the book "The World of Fighting Dogs"  written by a doctor who wanted to understand the reasons of why.  He wrote that a Tosa is made up of 49% speeding locomotive, 49% greased lightning, and perhaps 2% Pointer.  The breeds that comprise the larger fighting dogs give a sense of instinct and combined makes a lethal combination.  I will continue to own and strive to be the best with the true American Pitbull Terrier, I will not fight them against a 115lbs to 150lbs Train.  So you all that think your pit is best, you come on down to Georgia to see the best at work, just don't come to compare apple to oranges.

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 4/27/2004
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you do not even have a pit-bull.if you did you would know the best are in the usa.no dog can kill any big cat.talk your crap some of us know better!all pure bred dogs are inbred.people are not,around here anyway!

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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thats really a laugh,no great pitbulls are not inbred.go overseas to get a AMERICAN pit bull?were did you go?japan?if you think APBT do so bad why did you go to so much trouble?if I found any breed thats a better pitdog I would go with it.who cares how big it is!pitdog men fight what wins thats why they use the best.i think you are a crap- talking paper dog fighter JW!

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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The pit bull is kind of like Mike Tyson, but when Tyson went up against a bigger fighter, who actually chose to fight (Lewis or Hollifield), he could not dominate, but none the less, Tyson attracted a lot of hype because of his agressiveness.

I think that there is probably a lot of hype when you get down to the top ten fighting dogs. It's not possible to find which breed is the world wide champion because dog fighting attracts a lot of abuse. I think that in the USA, the pit bull is the toughest dog, but not just any pit bull, only the ones who are introduced to fighting and carry the instinct. In other parts of the world, you will find people have different ideas of who the best fighting breed is. The truth will remain subjective.

I'd put my money on the pit bull if the dogs were under one hundred pounds, but I'm skeptical that the pit bull could win against some of the massive working dogs that others have suggested (Ovcharka, Tosa, Boerboel, Presa Canario, etc). My bias suggests that the pit bull is most effective at about 65 pounds, otherwise they are puffed up. These other dogs are effective at 150 or 160 lbs.

 

Answer by responsible
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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O.K. now! I found this page looking for more info on a Boerboel. What I have learned is this. 1st point.- Boerboels are used to kill lions, leopards, hyenas, etc. For an animal its survival for there species to continue. If a dog has been trained against this in this way what is the difference from pit fighting? point 2.- I challenge any law-inforcement to consider this point! You need a license to drive, why? Because you have peoples lives in you hand. If your child breaks the law the parents are held responsible. Why are people allowed to have aggressive dogs without proper fencing,etc. And most importantly dog training license. After all K-9 dogs must by law have these rules. We should all live by strict rules when it comes to these breeds. The idiots that have dogs that maul children because of there innocence should be put in jail for manslaughter-premeditated.- point 3- and my conclusion, The only reason why men are so interested in there big bad dog killing one another is because they lack real manhood! If you want a real cause to show how bad you are why don't you put your efforts where it matters, the military. At least then you would be helping your country instead of wasting our law-inforcements time putting you in jail only to save our children! Grow up and take some real responsibility! Maybe use your effort getting a real job or, I don't know,-like GROWING UP! BIGDOG get a real life!

 

Answer by responsible
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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P.S. Hey idiot! All web sites are tracked by IP addresses. I hope the local PD is doing there job and is now watching your house.HA HA

 

Answer by big dog
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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I DO NOT CARE I AM NOT STUPID, ENOUGH TO HAVE DOGS THAT FIGHT.JUST BECAUSE I KNOW AND HAVE KNOWN,THINGS IN THE PAST,IT DOES NOT MEAN I AM STILL DOING IT.YOU DID NOT HEAR ME SAY ANY DIFFERENT!HA HA HA

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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go to boerboel dog breeders web.does not have the savage nature of the pitbulls.bred for a watch-dog.thats what THEY SAY plus its a type of bullmastiff.no dog could ever kill a big cat one on one.mt.lions prey on any type dog.you have to have a pack of dogs.just to get them up a tree.a real lion get real!if people knew anything about these dogs they would shut-up!

 

Answer by unknown
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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Personally I beleive that a Dogo Argentino Pound for pound can destroy every dog except maybe for a tosa or a fila but those would be good fights

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 4/29/2004
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ITS GETTING OLD.NOT GOING TO GET IT THOUGH TO YOU PEOPLE WHAT TRUE GAMENESS REALLY IS. YOU DO NOT SEE ANYTHING SHOW UP IN THE PITS, BUT ONE BREED.IF YOU HAD EVER BEEN THERE YOU WOULD KNOW WHY!THESE PIT DOG MEN DO NOT CARE ABOUT NOTHING BUT WINING!DOGS THAT ARE BRED TO HUNT HAVE NOT BEEN TESTESD IN THE PIT AT ALL.MORE THAN ONE DOG IS USED.TO HUNT BIG CATS ECT. THATS THE ONLY WAY THET HAVE ANY CHANCE.DOGS DO WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN BRED TO DO.END OF THIS WORD DOG FIGHT!

 

Answer by 0
Submitted on 4/29/2004
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BLOOD LOSS SHOCK DEHYDRATION EXHAUSTION INFECTION HOURS OR DAYS TO DIE.BAIT ANIMALS STOLEN PETS FREE TO GOOD HOME ADVERTS CATS RABBITS SMALL DOGS.YOU MUST BE REAL ANIMAL LOVERS OR IS IT JUST THE MONEY

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 4/29/2004
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YEAH ITS BAD NEWS ALRIGHT!THATS WHY I DO NOT DOG-FIGHT ANYMORE.BUT BAITING A PITBULL WITH A NOTHING [FIGHT-WISE]IS THE MARK OF AN IDOT!IT DOES NOT HELP THE DOG AT ALL!YOU HAVE GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO FIGHT!REAL PIT-DOG MEN USE OTHER PITS.THAT WAY THEY FIND THE VERY BEST DOGS. IN THE OLD DAYS MOST PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW WHAT A PITBULL WAS.DOG MEN THOUGHT THEY WERE TO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC.DOG FIGHTERS KEPT TO THEMSELVES, AND YOU DID NOT HEAR ABOUT ALL OF THIS ABUSE.AND THE BREED WAS BETTER OFF!

 

Answer by ripped
Submitted on 4/30/2004
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my pitbull has two AR-15s and a glock, he'll take your mastif on...........................................................and by the way, he robbed 24 banks, so na nan a boo boo

 

Answer by i know you
Submitted on 4/30/2004
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i guess only real dogmen will know, the rest of you seem not to want an answer, but an argument. i think dogmen are the only experts at this, and they know what they're doing, so therefor if they're breed of choice is a pitbull, then there is your answer.its not that difficult to figure out, unless your dumber then a.....dog.

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 4/30/2004
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I don't like the Bichon Frise breed. As far as I'm concerned they should send it to the pits to fight with pit bulls.

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 4/30/2004
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I KNOW YOU-YOU HAVE MORE UPSTAIRS THAN 90% OF THESE GUYS,IN THIS ''ARGUMENT''!IF DOG- FIGHTERS FIND SOMETHING BETTER THATS WHAT YOU WILL SEE THEM USEING!THEY CARE ABOUT WINNING.AND THATS JUST WHAT THE AMERICAN PIT BULL DOES!

 

Answer by i know you
Submitted on 5/1/2004
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big dog- thank you, i have to say i agree with you on that and everything else too. you seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the subject. i myself am not a dogman, nor do i know any professionals, around here there is just wannabes who back alley fight for fun. these are some pretty cruel individuals who do not care for there animals or others. i try to explain to them that most fights should not be to the death, and they blow me off like im a moron so its nice to hear your point of view. TO EVERYONE ELSE  thanks to some of these local wannabes i have witnessed a few fights. these were very unprofessional and had no rules in place to save the dogs, but they showed me the ropes none the less. i have seen some miss matches between breeds and i must say the pitbull is dominant 99.9% of the time. only in one fight did i see a mutt(thought to be part bulldog) grab a pitbulls front right leg, flip it on its back and shook the hell out of it for about 30 seconds before the pitbull tried to escape.that is very unusual and the pitbull was obviously a cur. i have never even seen a tosa in person, but if the weights were matched pretty close, i have a REALLY hard time believing a game breed pitbull could lose.i also own 2 pitbulls, i have not nor will i ever fight them. one of them i paid 800 dollars for and i believe he is a HUGE cur, i love him anyways. the other i paid 50 dollars for, and when i went on a vacation, i  found out a friend rolled her against one of his and i guess she did very well,although she wasnt giving the chance to show her gameness, but i think she's at least 75% game. anyways my point is you can have a pure breed from champion bloodlines, but that's no guarantee you have a game dog.so therefor if anyone here has seen a pitbull lose to another breed, i promise you that the pitbull was a cur(no matter what the bloodlines) and that whatever dog you seen win was extremely lucky it was not a game pitbull.i also want to mention that dog fighting was not meant to be unorganized and as cruel as it is.from what ive heard REAL dogmen love and cherish there dogs very much, and have every medical accessory needed to treat there animals. they also do not bait or put there dogs up against anything other then another pitbull, not only because it would be cruel but also because they do not want there pitbull to pick up bad habits from another breed.i also want to mention that no one should ever encourage a pitbull to be human aggressive, and those that do are complete idiots!! thank you for reading my post and sorry if i took up to much room or was off subject.

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 5/1/2004
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I do know of a man who was on a quest to find the best overall fighting pitdog.he at some expense,has owned every type of dog that could even be thought to fight well!he would try agaist the best APBT.tosas were all that even gave a fight!but he could never get one to take the top ranked pits and thats just what he found his tosas matched with!they are just not as game.they are a blueprinted breed,in so much as they have been put together as to what ought to work-not what does work.yes they are inbred.no dog will breed true to type without it!pitbulls have only been bred as to what won in the pits.inbreeding to keep the gameness has gone on for years.in japan tosas are only fought 30min. max,never to the death,and females are not used to fight at all.they are at best number 2 behind the very best APBT.AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT MANY PITBULLS ARE JUST BRED THESE DAYS, FOR LOOKS,PETS ECT. SO IF YOU PUT OTHER BREEDS UP AGAINST THEM YOU HAVE TO USE GAME-TESTESD REAL APBT.WHICH ARE STILL AROUND BUT NOT AS COMMON,AS THEY ONCE WERE.THEN YOU WILL SEE WHAT THE TOP APBT CAN DO!

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 5/2/2004
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I've seen an Airedale beat up on a female pit bull before, so I am definately skeptical. And nobody here can prove anything, so give it up.

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 5/2/2004
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The only thing that can be said here with certainty is that there is a lot of hype spread by pit bull owners. Kind of like Mike Tyson recieved all kinds of hype, even though he was knocked senseless by numerous fighters.

 

Answer by yes es
Submitted on 5/2/2004
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HELLO-sorry to interrupt but this is my first time on and i thought it a good opportunity to ask a quick question.I have heard some people who talk of "watchdog" blood being pretty hot, and then i have heard others chuckle at this.I have no experience on the subject, but i would like to learn.Has anyone ever heard anything?

 

Answer by TEXAS JACK
Submitted on 5/2/2004
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YEAH,YOU GUYS ARE HARD HEADED!BIGDOG SAID THE BEST PITBULLS ARE THE BEST.EVERYONES KNOWS OF SOME DOGS OF ALL BREEDS THAT JUST ARE NOT THAT GREAT.I HARDLY THINK THE PIT-BULL MEN BRING THOSE TO FIGHT FOR MONEY!BIGDOG SEEMS TO KNOW HIS STUFF,MOST OF THE OTHERS ARE JUST BLOW HARDS!AND WHAT DOES MIKE TYSON HAVE TO DO WITH A DAMN DOG-FIGHT?LAST TIME I SAW HIM HE HAD TWO LEGS NOT FOUR!

 

Answer by TIGER JOE
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WATCH-DOG BLOOD IS HOT TO BITE A PERSON.AS FAR AS DOG FIGHTING NOT GAME ENOUGH!TO WIN ANYHOW.

 

Answer by yes es
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thanks for your answer.I am still curious about a couple things.First-Do you know this from experience or hearsay?Second-Do you mean as in bite the owner, or bite to protect the owner or both? Sorry for sounding pretty clueless about this, but the truth is i am clueless. i am fairly close to the source of these dogs. Ironically i have never even seen one though around here. People around here do disagree about them, despite the lack of them(watchdog bloodlines). but i would like to hear from experience rather then from people around me who are probably as clueless as i am.Thank you again for taking the time to answer.

 

Answer by tiger joe
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i mean hot to bite a stranger.most dogs love their masters,and would never bite them.all dogs vary dog to dog,even within breeds.sadly lots of people have no idea how to treat or handle dogs.so when you hear of bad things,its almost aiways the owners fault.

 

Answer by tiger joe
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ps-iknow from owning all types of dogs.for years i have kept some really great dogs.that have always treated me better than people!

 

Answer by BIGDOG
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looking in the atlas of dog breeds-         the AMERICAN PIT BULLTERRIER immediately strikes one as being a dog of power,passion,and undying willingness.the breeds tenacity,and accompanying strength are UNPARALLELED IN THE CANINE WORLD.       ABOUT THE 150LBS. NEAPOLITAN MASTIFF-       IN THEIR PIT DAYS ,STOICISM WAS KEY ALTHOUGH THE TYPE OF PUGNACITY WITH WHICH THE PIT BULL TERRIER APPROACHES THE MATCH WAS NEVER ACHIEVED.                      WHY WOULD THIS BOOK SAY THIS IF ITS NOT SO?WHEN ITS ALL SAID AND DONE YOU GUYS CAN SAY ITS HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.BUT IT HAS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.FOR MORE YEARS THAN YOU THINK. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT NO ONE HAS EVER FOUGHT THE BEST DOGS AGAINST EACH OTHER?OR NOBODY STILL AROUND THATS SEEN REAL TOP PIT-MATCHES?OR HAD RICH GUYS BRING EVERY TYPE OF DOG FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD IN TO MATCH AGAINST OUR BEST APBT?WELL THINK WHAT YOU WANT BUT SOME OF US KNOW THE TRUTH!

 

Answer by yes es
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thank you again, the reason i ask is i have the chance to get one(grandson of blue bubba a.k.a. beezlebub)I am not a dogman,and he will not be a pit-dog, but i would like one that makes me proud and is loyal to the family. im proud of all the dogs ive had (4) but id like my next to stand out. i agree with you totally about the way people treat their dogs.i always tell people that the pitbull/owner bond is so powerful,the pitbull is a complete reflection of its owner;good owner/GREAT dog....bad owner/VERY BAD dog.

 

Answer by i know you
Submitted on 5/3/2004
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"no one here can prove anything, so give it up" what? im not a fighter but id say the proof lies in the countless books on the pit,endless breeders,money being bet,the fact were even talking about them rather then any other breed,there documented history that has evolved a dog for a specific purpose,longer then any other breed,and the continued use of them all over the world today,  well if that isnt proof, then this is hopeless.

 

Answer by BIGDOG
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SOME OF BEST APBT THAT I HAVE EVER OWNED,  COULD NOT HAVE BEEN COSIDERED ''WATCHDOGS'' SOME WILL BARK AT STRANGERS,BUT THE MIN. I CAME OUT THEY WOULD SEE EVERYTHING WAS OK AND CHILL RIGHT OUT!THEY REALLY LOVE PEOPLE AND JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE FOUGHT AGAINST OTHER DOGS DOES NOT MAKE THEM PEOPLE-HATERS.THEY WILL PROTECT THEIR MASTERS IF SOMEONE ATTACKS THEM.I LOVE ALL TYPES OF DOGS.HAVE OWNED AND DO OWN ALL TYPES.I DO NOT DOG-FIGHT ANYMORE.I SAW ENOUGH WHEN I WAS YOUNGER.BUT THE APBT WOULD NOT BE WHAT HE IS WITHOUT IT!

 

Answer by Dean
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Pit bulls are a great dog, especially in any competition below 100 lbs.

I think that in order to prove which dogs can fight in the elite group, breeders from all over the world would have to meet and fight with their own dogs. It would be an international competition, and it would be video taped, however I don't think that this is likely to happen. I've heard enough hype for pit bulls. If you go to some other part of the world where they speak a different language, they will hype some other breed. I like the pit bull, I think that some of them are good looking dogs as well, which is rare for a fighting dog, most of them are scruffy looking. I do doubt the pit bulls abilities at the highest weights, 130 lbs and over.

 

Answer by TEXAS JACK
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you need a huge dose of EX-LAX!ITS NOT THE SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT ITS THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN DOG!PITS GO OFF LIKE NO OTHER BREED!THEY BITE HARD AND LOVE TO FIGHT THEY CAN WEIGH OVER 100LBS.DEAN OLD BOY NO DOUBT THERES ALOT OF POOR DOGS OF ANY BREED AROUND.BUT NO ONE GOING TO CONSIDER THEM,TO BE THE BEST OF THEIR BREED NOW ARE THEY?

 

Answer by TEXAS JACK
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OTHER ''PARTS OF THE WORLD''CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF OUR GOOD OLE AMERICAN PIT BULLS!THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TOUCH THEM.THEY HAVE FOUND THIS OUT AND HAVE BEEN IMPORTING THEM FOR THE LAST 30+YEARS.CLICK ON TOUGHEST FIGHTING DOG MIXED MATCH.          THE ED. OF DOG MAG. GIVES THE PITBULL HIS RESPECT PLUS RUNS THOUGH ALL OF THESE OTHER BREEDS,PEOPLE HAVE BEEN YELLING ABOUT.OH YEAH THIS IS-TOSA DOG MAG. WHERE IS THE TOSAS IN TAIWAN A VISITOR ASKED.THE PITBULL HAVE KILLED THEM ALL OFF.SO SAY WHAT YOU WANT THE ONLY TWO BREEDS THAT PIT FIGHT ARE THE APBT AND THE TOSA.MOST ANYBODY GIVES A BIG EDGE TO THE APBT.EVEN THIS TOSA DOG MAG ED. SAYS THAT THE TOUGHEST DOG IN THE WORLD IS A 60-70LB.PITBULL OR A 130LB.TOSA.WHICH IS VERY BIG FOR THE APBT CONSIDERING HIS BREED IS THE TOSA!

 

Answer by boerboel guy
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my purebred BOEROEL DOGS HAVE KILLED BROWN BEARS 1200LB.+ONE ON ONE,MT. LIONS,600LB. BLACK BEARS,TIGERS,LIONS,JAGUARS,ANYTHING WITH TEETH AND FANGS.ALL ONE ON ONE!MY BEST DOG KILLED 4 GREAT BIG PITBULLS AND A SMALL MIXED BREED DOG ALL AT ONE TIME!ROY HORN CALLED ME THE OTHER DAY.HE WANTS A PUP FOR PROTECTSION!TOSAS HAVE TO BE BROUGHT IN BY THE PLANE LOAD [FROM JAPAN OF COURSE!]JUST TO GIVE MY DOGS A WORKOUT!

 

Answer by Kev
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Hey GUY do you PROVE your dog is a god fighter?

video and photo?

my mail is nathan_colin@hotmail.com

 

Answer by boerboel guy
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ps-the small mixed breed dogs name was larry.he unwisely joined in the fray to help his pit bull buddies.just thought this was important as he was'ntmatched,but was killed never the less!

 

Answer by GUY-[BOERBOEL]
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I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T KNOW YOU AND DOGFIGHTEN IS A FELONY.YOU COULD BE A COP AND WOULD LIKE TO NAIL ME!BUT I WILL SALE YOU A 7 MONTH OLD PUP THATS ALREADY KILLED 2 TOSAS [AT ONCE],2 EXTRA LARGE PITBULLS AT ONCE ALSO.A SMALL FEMALE MT.LION,AND AFULL GROWN GREAT PYRENEES.NONE OF THESE KILLS TOOK OVER 4MIN. MY DOGS ARE'TCHEAP BUT WHEN GROWN YOU WOULD HAVE A REAL BEAST!THAT WOULD HANDLE EVERYTHING THAT WALKS THE FACE OF THE EARTH!

 

Answer by Bueaty
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It's an horrible site to see good dogs fighting and you all should consider letting an dog maul you and see how you like it...then you'll know how it feels to heal from missing body parts etc. I'm betting anyone here that loves this sickness would whole heartedly change their attitudes towards making loving animals fight to their deaths after them getting mauled and mutilated. As for dog breeds I currently own a 7 year old Akita and a 1 year old female Tosa. In the past I'veowned Doberman pinschers and they are just as beautiful as any breed of dog out there in this world. I've witnessed my brother's pit bull be the biggest baby anyone has ever seen (Red nose). Someone cruel would have to break these dogs to perform as such and this applies to most Doberman too. As compared to the Akita. The Akita's well are just all born highly aggressive and don't need training to fight. They will fight anything that is put in front of them period. My long time friend and family guardian (Stallone Doberman) is gone from us now. He was a peace of work. My Akita was 4 months old and I was out feeding pigeons and taking him for a pee and to my shock and awe the pup snuck up on both of us (me & pigeon) leaped and caught the pigeon in it's mouth in mid-air and started to shake the bird and growl. Now this shocked me and i fought for the pigeons life and if i didn't this 4 month old yuppie Akita was going to end it's life. I mean feathers everywhere. Well back to doberman... My Akita didn't take to him to well especially when my horny dobe would try and mount the 7 month old Akita and that turn out to be a big mistake. I had to go down in to a swamp and stop this puppy from killing my seasoned dobe that almost killed a Alaskan Malamute. Mind you the Malamute was on top but in the time it took me to get out side and break them up the dobe ripped the back of his neck and my aunt had to pay for the poor Malamute vet bill and she called me up and he is living fine to this day. Such a shame to see this take place and in addition he also closed off the throat of a german shepard and beat the crap out of a Rotwieler. The owner had to beat my skinny little dobe 60 lbs. off with a stick. Of course we exchanged words a bit but the fight ended fast due to the same tactic the dobe used on the Malamute. As for my Akita he's as old as my son and he's never bitten no one and only has been into fights provoked by others accept 1. He got loose and ran away right in front of my eyes last year. He was gone for about 15 - 20 minutes and he returned a little wet and appeared a bit scuffed up. Then the police and local dog catchers payed me a visit to take my Akita and destroy him because during his little venture of running away he crossed two full ball fields and a patch of acres into a local neighbor's yard and started beating on the german shepard so bad it almost died and witnessed said it was my dog. The owners hit him with two by fours and apparently the Akita shrugged off their attempts to break him off of the larger German shepard. WoW he covered an vast area with great speeds and stamina and i can only imagine what happened. I think they barked arcoss the lands and when he got free he hunted that german shepard down and almost mauled him to death. My Akita had a tiny nibble on his eye and it really didn't appear as though he just fought as bloody of a battle as the police stated. In all due respect this couldn't be proved but my gut feeling tells me he did it. They didn't end up taking him and he's still with me to this day and I never ever fight him with other dogs! On occasion a dog will come up to his running line and territory and either two things happen fast. They turn and run due to the Akita's response on other dogs/animals. The Akita's go after anything with hair all over it on a drop of a dime with no commands nada zero. As for my 1 year old Tosa the only fight she was into is with an older rott/mixed german shepard that snuck up on her while she was stuck and tried to eat her food. Well let me tell you that mixed breed help my Tosa free her self very fast my porch got torn off and that poor mixed breed (a lot older) got the beaten of her life before she managed to escape and I had no time to get out there. Then a feller up the road with a pit and boxer mixed had let his dog out of the his van and the thing rocketed towards my Akita. My Akita was on his run line laying down sun bathing or something... this pit/boxer tryed to ambush my sleeping Akita. His attempts failed miserably due to my Akita's fast response time and plowed the dog into the ground and mauled him side to side thrashing this dog back and forth like it was a rag doll. The pit/boxer mixed rocketed back off our property FAST once he got loose. My dad and I having coffee where very surprised and we believe the owner may have done this on purpose. Who knows, but he never brought him back, or near my Akita ever again. In addition never ever allow your Akita drive openly on the back of a pick up truck with out making damn sure he's some how locked in good! My Akita leaped from my 3/4 GMC and smashed his head on the pavement, rolled over once, got up and darted at 6 dogs after freeing himself from the trucks bonds. OMG i was scared but not for him cause he shook off that cement head slam from the truck. I even over heard it and didn't even notice him leaping until i heard this loud thud (his head breaking his fall on pavement from momentum)even over the driving and motor noises. Well anyways I knew there was going to be big trouble and what happened next was all six dogs piled up on my one Akita and the battle was furious and very fast. I seen him take the largest and power drive him and bent the dog in two and then he attacked anything that had an hold on his thick hide. The fight was extremely furious and ended quite fast. The Akita beat them all to a stand still and some bowed down and others high tailed out of there. The the fight was over by the time me and others got to them.... and he simply walked away over to me and was wagging his tail as if he just did something he really enjoyed and perhaps he thought it was a good thing.... still not sure. This guy is huge and the most powerful dog I'veseen yet. But hold on... my 1 year old Tosa tossed him around while they played out side and wouldn't allow him to get up. Not sure if he allowed this but she appeared to have flipped him some how? Not sure how and he was on his back and couldn't get up until he got a little more serious and then she back away still wanted more though. With much surprise the tosa went on and done this a few more time and wow. They get along great till the Akita has food and he growls at her and she walks away all the time. But in comparison to size the Tosa at 1 year of age is a great deal larger already. My point...dogs will fight dogs no matter what breed be it mixed/mutt/pure they all have different characters/spirits even if they come from the same breed. No one in their correct state of mind would allow loved ones fight to the death not with out feeling very hurt or saddened. Im lucky perhaps this never occurred and those are the most I've seen from both my current dogs and I'm never involved with pit fighting dogs and it's bad luck to do such things. What goes around comes around and if you fight dogs you best be willing to get some punishment back! It's like water dump it all on the grounds in different parts of the world it will come around. Natural laws above all men go unrecognized and this applies to even dog fights/pit fighters and organizers of these fights. I hope this serves you all very well and I certainly wish the best for all of these poor dogs but nature is nature and clashes will happen.

 

Answer by 4 all 2 read
Submitted on 5/3/2004
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Fighting Dogs: Dog Fights, the most deadly fighting dog in the world? Which is the toughest fighting breed of dog? Tosa, Fila, Mastiff, Pit Bull, Dogo, Dogue de Bordeaux, Majorcan, Presa Dog,  Korean, Jindo Dog, Argentine Dogo  
FIGHTING DOGS AND THE WORLD'S TOUGHEST BREED OF DOG

MIXED MATCHED DOG FIGHTS. WHICH IS THE TOUGHEST BREED?

by Mr. Jan Libourel, Editor of HANDGUNS MAGAZINE and Editor of TOSA Newsletter

In issue #17 of FILATALK MAGAZINE, the claim appeared that the most deadly fighting dog in the world was a 30 pound Pit Bull Terrier.   It was also stated that smaller Pit Bull dogs can get underneath a larger opponent and rip out its throat in short order. The claim was made that such a dog could kill "even the most powerful Fila".  

Right: Gabriel, a Fila Brasileiro at 215 lbs owned by Shoo-its Mountain Filas

This seems most improbable. Few would probably disagree with the claim that pound for-pound the American Pit Bull Terrier is the finest fighting dog in the world. Moreover, the smaller Pits Bull are usually the gamest and the most talented. Thus, one of these little dogs can often defeat a substantially larger dog, especially if the other dog is not a Pit Bull. However, it should be noted that serious dog fighters are very careful to closely match weights in the most intensely contested matches. A difference of only a few pounds can count a lot in a dog fight.

Moreover, the claim that a smaller dog has a great advantage by being able to get to the throat more readily becomes very silly on close examination. (Editors Tosa on right) By that logic, a Jack Russell Terrier should be able to defeat the small Pit Bull, and a Chihuahua should be able to kill the Jack Russell, thus establishing the Chihuahua as the most formidable dog of all!

In point of fact, if a 30 pound Pit Bull went against a huge Fila like Gabriel, Jetson, Chaka, or Reno, the larger dog would crush the life out of the smaller dog long before the superior gameness or athletic ability of the Pit Bull came into play. Assuming the small Pit Bull did get a throat hold, it would most likely get nothing more than a mouthful of dewlap. It is commonly held that the only two real fighting dogs in the world are the American Pit Bull Terrier and the Japanese Tosa. I have heard it suggested that the ultra-rare Majorcan Presa (aka Ca de Bou) might also qualify. The Korean Jindo (looks like an Akita) is also reputed to be a very tough customer. Middle Asian Ovcharkas are also reported to be used for fighting in their homeland and may possess some talent.

Mixed matches between Pit Bulls and Tosas have produced mixed results. In Japan, one informant states, the Tosas defeat the Pit Bulls about 90 percent of the time. In such matches in the United States, the Pit Bulls have, with few exceptions, been victorious. However, such encounters typically involve Pit Bulls that are seasoned fighting dogs pitted against Tosas that have been little more than house pets.

Most Tosa breeders will have a story about how a dog from their bloodlines has killed or maimed a Pit Bull. It should be pointed out that there is a good deal of variation in the size and quality among both Tosas and Pit Bulls, the latter breed having suffered from the scourge of puppy mill breeding. In the case of a 140 pound Tosa of the finest East Japan fighting bloodlines against a 40 pound Pit Bull of indifferent breeding, I would have little doubt about the outcome.

On the other hand, a seasoned, game bred, game tested Pit Bull should be able to hold his own against almost any Tosa. As a matter of interest, several years ago a correspondent to the old Bulldog Review Magazine mentioned having visited Taiwan. He inquired about the presence of the Tosa fighting subculture in Taiwan. He was told that they had been killed off by Pit Bulls. One prominent Tosa breeder reported seeing four mixed matches in Hungary. One involved a large male Tosa against a Neapolitan Mastiff. This was a very one-sided slaughter that was soon halted to stop further harm to the Neo.

In the second bout, a smallish, young female Tosa fought to a draw with a male Pit Bull that was nearly as large as herself. In the other two bouts, the Tosas decisively defeated the Pit Bulls. In one of these contests, the Pit Bull was seriously mangled, loosing an eye in the fight. In both fights, the Tosas became more dominant as the fight progressed. Evidently, the Pit Bulls had tired from wrestling with the larger dogs. The same breeder mentioned having seen two spontaneous, accidental fights between Tosa's and Fila's at American dog shows. In both cases the Tosas very much dominated the action while it lasted.  

Proceeding to some of the other mastiff type breeds, the American Bulldog varies considerably in size and temperament. They seem to be capable of fighting ferociously and capable for a short period of time and then losing interest quickly. My informant tells me of a mixed match which an American Bulldog punished an Argentine Dogo non stop for about 15 minutes and then quit when the Dogo finally fought back. I have also heard of a mixed match between a Tosa and an American Bulldog in which the Bulldog quickly jumped out of the ring to avoid further punishment. The Argentine Dogo was developed primarily as a hunting /pack dog. It does have some fighting breeds in its make up and can give a good account of itself in a scrap, but not on the same level as level as the "real fighting dogs".

The Presa Canario has its origins as a fighting dog. Today, it is largely a reconstructed breed, with heavy infusions of English Mastiff and American Staffordshire Terrier. As a fighter, it is reported to be similar to the American Bulldog - furiously aggressive for the first few minutes of the fight but lacking in gameness and staying power. The Dogue de Bordeaux has not been used as a fighting dog for about a century. In a mixed match with the Tosa witnessed by my principle informant, the two dogs collided in the middle of the ring and the Tosa knocked the Dogue de Bordeaux cold.

The Cane Corso looks like a fighting dog, but really isn’t. In functions, it is more akin to the Fila; being primarily an estate guardian and protector of livestock. Also like Fila, it is a good pack dog. One of the leading Cane breeders tells me that he has as many as seven male Canes playing together peaceably. When all is said an done, the "Toughest Dog in the World" is probably either a 60 or 70 pound Pit Bull dog or a Tosa weighing about 130 pounds.

The Fila should not be considered a fighting dog. It was never bred for that purpose. It should be pointed out that the specialized fighting dogs are often of limited utility for much else. Many, if not most, Pit Bulls are too friendly to make effective property protectors, and many of them are stolen themselves.

A fair percentage of highly bred game Pit Bulls from the best fighting bloodlines are quite man-shy, and the same seems to be true with of Tosas, quite frequently, Other Pit Bulls and Tosas are very "waggy" in fact, for people whose primary interest in a dog is personal protection, I usually recommend the Fila over the Tosa.

Sincerely Jan Liborel , Editor Handguns Magazine

 

Answer by enough
Submitted on 5/3/2004
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this dude LIBOREL IS ALSO EDITOR OF TOSA DOG MAGAZINE.SO THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS THE TOUGHEST DOG IN THE WORLD IS A 60-70LB. PITBULL OR A 130LB. TOSA.GET THE BEST TOGETHER AND SETTLE IT,OR SHUT THE FUK UP!

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 5/4/2004
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I would choose the pit bull as the best, if the pit bull was a bigger dog. The pit bull is only a medium to large dog, but imagine if it was a huge dog like the Boerboel or Tosa or Ovcharka, etc. I think that the ultimate fighting dog hasn't been bred yet. I'm just not sold on pit bulls, and I hate it, when these fighters (Toas and Pit Bull) are too man friendly, because that means that a Fila, an Akita, a boerboel, and many others, are much more useful dogs. I sounds like it's possible to have a good all around pit bull, but it also sounds like you need to put in a lot of training.

I'd like to see these breeds crossed: Pit Bull, Akita, Tosa. The pit bull for his strengh and gameness, the Tosa for his size and power, and the Akita for his general agressiveness and his beauty.

 

Answer by SHUT-UP[THE FUK]
Submitted on 5/4/2004
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like i said I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU SHUT THE FUK UP!I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CROSS MIKE TYSON WITH A PITBULL-TOSA CROSS AND FIGHT AGUY NAMED DEAN AGAINST THE RESULT!

 

Answer by young pit
Submitted on 5/4/2004
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any one who has any idea of real dog fighting will tell you that the only breeds used with any regularity in the sport of dog fighting are the pit bull and the tosa. while it is true that the tosa is a great fighiter it will not and can not go as long as a pit bull.so it will loose.the idea that b/c your bull mastif put a pit on it back means nothing.some pit bull will actuly fight dogs on their back the whole fight and you wont know untill your bull mastif isnt havin any more fun with this bear trap on the side of its face. when you match the best againt the best the pit bull will always come out ahead

 

Answer by DO IT
Submitted on 5/4/2004
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IS THERE NO END TO THIS?99% OF THIS IS MEANINGLESS!GET THE BEST DAMN APBT IN THE USA TAKE THE SOB TO JAPAN.PUT HIM ON THE BEST TOSA AND BE HAPPY!I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE UP MONEY TO DO IT!ITS A MATTER OF NATIONAL PRIDE.MAKE TAPES AND SELL THEM OF THE MATCH.AFTER ALL THE PIT BULL IS AMERICAN!AND THESE DEANS WILL NOT SHUT-UP!OH,I HAD A CUR DOG NAMED DEAN ONCE!AND HE WOULD'NTSHUT-UP JUST LIKE YOU!

 

Answer by Bueaty
Submitted on 5/4/2004
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I'm currently mixing both Akita and Tosa =) in additions I would love to mix all four. Akita for Game/hunting Tosa for agility/stamina/size, Fila for both size and human agression/protection Superior size Doberman for intelligence/protection/agility/loyalty
I'll let people know how the Akita/Tosa mixed. This mix should still leave some tough coat for cold and warm weather and resistance to pain/damage during hunt/protection.

 

Answer by seen it
Submitted on 5/5/2004
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larger dogs are freaks.clumbersome,slow,low endurance,short life span.health trouble.thats why they are poor at anything.

 

Answer by Dean
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All I'm asking is that you prove that your pit bull can beat a Tosa, and I agree that you should take an experienced champion pit bull from the USA to Japan to fight an experienced champion Tosa Inu. I don't think that weight class should be applied, a natural 140 lb Tosa should be able to fight your best pit bull. This event should be taped, and that will put an end to the hype and provide a satisfying answer to people who just want to know which dog is the best fighter. It would be good to fight with a 140 lb Ovcharva and a 160 lb Boerboel as well.

I'd love to see pictures of the puppies Bueaty.

If the Boerboel or the Ovcharka can beat or even put up a great fight against the Tosa or the Pit bull than the Boerboel or Ovcharka is a better dog, simply because they are much more useful, since they are a good protection dog. That makes them infinitely more useful than a fighting dog with no common sense to protect it's family.

 

Answer by blackbeard
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i wonder how an american pitbull from a top fighting pedigree,  fully trained and of an optimum weight will fare against an african wild dog (usual weight 35-45lbs) in a 1 on 1?

my prediction; the pit bull will be killed within 15-20 minutes without the african wild dog suffering a single scratch! against a north american timber wolf or arctic wolf, the pit bull will be dispatched even quicker!

 

Answer by seen it
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many have tried to mix larger breeds with pit bulls.to get a winning fight dog.only to fail as the gameness is'ntenough to win.

 

Answer by WOLF MY ASS
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blackbreath you don't know thats been tried.with the WOLF ANYWAY.THE WOLF IS A PACK DOG-HUNTER.THERES MANY DOG BREEDS THAT CAN KILL A WOLF THAT CAN'T WHIP A PIT.AND THATS A BIG HAIRY-ASSED DOG TRUTH.YOU MAY RANT AND RAVE ALL YOU WANT BUT I'M RIGHTER THAN RIGHT ON THIS.WOLF MY ASS!

 

Answer by Dean
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I read some articles on the Internet and it appears that the Pit Bull has to be trained to be aggressive, he has to be forced to hate other dogs, otherwise the dog will probably not develop the killer instinct.

The news articles also show drugs and guns are recovered at dog fight events, and the owners of these dogs keep the dogs in brutal living conditions.

So it appears that what we have here are mentally disturbed criminals who participate in sadistic torture. This is not about finding out which breed will put up a good fight, nor is it about improving a breed in any way. So that's why it's illegal. The people who are involved in dog fighting are running torture camps.

This whole dog fighting business has nothing to do with creating champion dogs and breeding improvements into the dogs, because there is too much sadistic torture. It's all about hate and dirty money. The dogs are disposable assets.

I think that what most people here want to know is if such and such a breed will be able to defend itself efficiently and protect the family and also be able to hunt large game. People probably also want to breed some improvements into their companion dogs, to make the dog more game, or to make him more territorial. This is okay, but let's stay away from the money aspect because it is a base criminal activity. I don't mind learing how to improve my dog, but not to the extent that I have to participate in torture and abject cruelty.

 

Answer by thank you dean
Submitted on 5/6/2004
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!dean... you couldn't be more right!!!!!

 

Answer by BIG[PIT]DOG
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dean pits were bred for years to fight in the pit.people did'treally own them otherwise.they were bred to love people,as dog men have to handle these dogs when they pit fight them.the people in general started to want these dogs back the1970's.they have natural aggressive tendencies towards other dogs and animals,not people.the worst thing that can happen to any bred,is for it to become popular.in the APBT CASE IT HAS BEEN VERY BAD.AS MANY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD'NTOWN ANY DOG HAVE THEM. YOU ARE RIGHT DEAN THEY ARE NOT USEFUL AS OTHER BREEDS FOR ALL THIS STUFF,THEY WERE NOT BRED TO DO.THEY WERE HIGHLY BRED TO FIGHT IN PIT CONTESTS.BY PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS IS A SPORT.ANYTHING ELSE THE BREED IS JUST THE WAY THEY TURNED OUT.ALL BREEDS WERE PUT TOGETHER BY MAN FOR A PURPOSE.THEY WOULD'TBE HERE OTHERWISE.FIGHTING TO THE DEATH IN A PIT  IS NOT A NATURAL THING FOR ANYTHING TO DO.THESE DOGS HAVE HAD THAT BRED INTO THEM FOR 100'S OF YEARS.NOW WHAT ANGLE ARE YOU GOING TO COME AT ME FROM NOW?

 

Answer by BIG[PIT]DOG
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dean pits were bred for years to fight in the pit.people did'treally own them otherwise.they were bred to love people,as dog men have to handle these dogs when they pit fight them.the people in general started to want these dogs back the1970's.they have natural aggressive tendencies towards other dogs and animals,not people.the worst thing that can happen to any bred,is for it to become popular.in the APBT CASE IT HAS BEEN VERY BAD.AS MANY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD'NTOWN ANY DOG HAVE THEM. YOU ARE RIGHT DEAN THEY ARE NOT USEFUL AS OTHER BREEDS FOR ALL THIS STUFF,THEY WERE NOT BRED TO DO.THEY WERE HIGHLY BRED TO FIGHT IN PIT CONTESTS.BY PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS IS A SPORT.ANYTHING ELSE THE BREED IS JUST THE WAY THEY TURNED OUT.ALL BREEDS WERE PUT TOGETHER BY MAN FOR A PURPOSE.THEY WOULD'TBE HERE OTHERWISE.FIGHTING TO THE DEATH IN A PIT  IS NOT A NATURAL THING FOR ANYTHING TO DO.THESE DOGS HAVE HAD THAT BRED INTO THEM FOR 100'S OF YEARS.NOW WHAT ANGLE ARE YOU GOING TO COME AT ME FROM NOW?

 

Answer by BIG DOG
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PS DEAN LOTS OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU SPEAK OF, JUST WANT THE PIT BECAUSE IT WILL FIGHT.AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DOGS.AND THEY SHOULD'NTOWN ANY DOG.OR HAVE KIDS FOR THAT MATTER.BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOGS THAT FIGHT NOT THE BEST ALL PURPOSE DOGS.SO YOU NEED TO START A NEW FAQS.

 

Answer by Dean
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Apparently the bull dog was bred to bait bulls and other animals, but in 1835, bull baiting was made illegal in England and subsequently other countries. Instead of the bull dog becoming extinct, these people, now out of a job, transfered their skills to dog fighting. They started to breed bull dogs with smaller and quicker dogs (terriers), although I have seen no plausible account as to the reason why.

This counter culture stuggled against the law because dog fighting was not to be an accepted sport or recreation of modern society, although for a hundred years or so, it was not actively prosecuted. So much of this activity occurs repressed and under ground, and there is a connection to animal torture, to drugs, and to criminals, who are often found at these events during police raids.

I don't think that we are talking about dogs that fight, because it's more a reflection on the violent owners and the will of the owner, because the pit bull is forced to fight and subjected to torture. It originally was done by a counter culture who were unemployed when their profession was banned. All of these other dogs are not forced to fight, except for the Tosa in Japan and there it is done more as a sport, there is a rich set of rules, and it is carried out by a sub culture, not a counter culture.

 

Answer by blackbeard
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"wolf my ass"
i have yet to hear of a single report of a dog ever licking a wolf; if you have heard so then i wonder if you can post the link please so that we can all be enlightened; as far as an african wild dog is concerned, i'veseen numerous dicovery and national geographic shows where an african wild dog has beaten hynaeas and driven them off 1 on 1(and remeber hynae'scan quite easily take on a lioness or a leopard!

 

Answer by BIG-DOG
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whats your point dean.what differnce does it make?i thought we were talking about dogs not people.you turn the whole thing into a MORALALISTIC ISSUE,RATHER THAN A BREEDS FIGHTING ABILITY.SO PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLES YOU WILL NOT GET A ARGUMENT FROM ME ON THAT ONE.THESE PITS ARE FINE DOGS THAT LOVE THEIR MASTERS.THEY ARE NOT FOR EVERYBODY.NOR SHOULD EVERY ONE HAVE ONE.THEY ARE TRULY QUALITY COMPANIONS FOR QUALITY OWNERS ONLY!IF YOU WANT OR NEED SOMETHING ELSE YOU HAVE 100'S OF BREEDS TO PICK FROM.I THINK YOU WOULD BE HAPPY WITH ''OLD YELLER''!

 

Answer by Dean
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BIGDOG, I'm not blaming you for being cruel to dogs, but with regard to their fighting capabilities, I think that three or four proven APBT from the USA should be fought against proven Tosa's from Japan. I'd especially be interested to see the non weight class results.

Dog fighting is out of hand. It has become a criminal activity. The worst thing about it is that you have to coherse and force the dogs to fight, so therefore it's a form of animal abuse. There is no honor in it, at least in the way it is actually carried out. The rich were never very interested in dog fighting, it was more of a working class interest. Basically that means, it's not going to happen, the middle class has been shifted to sports like baseball, hockey, and football.

The APBT is still a good dog, but it should become a working dog. Hunting is the sport of the rich, especially when you use dogs and falcons. There are at least a dozen useful and serious dogs out there who can all fight, but none of which are forced to fight from a young age. The pit bull and the tosa are both victoms of human violence and abuse.

The pit bull is a good looking dog and is less expensive to care for because he is medium size, the fila is a protection dog, but is sometimes too violent, the Akita is agressive and can also be a show dog, I don't know much about the Boerboel. These are all good dogs and capable fighters, but pit fighting in the sense of forcing the dog to fight from early puppyhood and subjecting the dog to torture, this is unacceptable, no matter what the breed.

A dogman might have fighters, but he has no hope against the police or against the rich. The dogman loses, he is a pawn. No matter how dangerous the dog is, it's not enough, because humans are more dangerous than any dog, the rich set the rules for this world. Dogmen will conform, or else, they will raise the bar and ultimately be routed out and destroyed. It's better to conform, than to hide in the dark. Those pit bull are not violent killers unless they are cohierced and coaxed to fight. That is true for at least a dozen breeds. It's going to be a struggle for the working class to even own a dog like this in the future.

 

Answer by BIGDOG
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PS DEAN GAME BRED DO NOT HAVE TO BE FORCED TO FIGHT,NO MORE THAN A BEAGLE HAS TO BE FORCED TO RUN A RABBIT.I HAVE ONE NOW AND I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT HER.BUT SHE WOULD LIKE NOTHING BETTER.I HAVE TO WATCH HER AROUND OTHER DOGS SHE WOULD LOVE TO START IT!

 

Answer by wild man
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yeah we know the wild dog can do but it takes about 30 of them to handle these much bigger animals.dogs can kill awolf its been proven.ever watch white fang?

 

Answer by thank you dean(robert)
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i see what your point is, but the truth is these dogs while in full battle(and loving it) will take breaks and even start playing with each other,although it still isnt the kind of playing you might think of.then the handlers encourage the dogs to continue.even the gamest of dogs will stop for a breather.you could describe game as the will of the dog to please its handler under the cruelest of situations.i loved and hated what i have seen.it started with a morbid curiosity, and ended with a regretful respect.these animals deserve more then what most people give them.i could never say myself or anyone i know deserves the respect these dogs do.they offer there utmost loyalty, and we only test it instead of reward them for it.dean is absolutely correct, we need to get rid of the criminal element.i stopped betting when the fights got out of hand, and watched some great dogs suffer just to prove themselves to there handlers.

 

Answer by robert
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i would like to add one more point;if people possessed the quality's these dogs do, they would be heros,sports stars, and role models and treated better then most other people.the will not to give up and incomparable loyalty separates them from all other lifeforms i know.i think people need to learn the same for their(dogs) sake and ours.

 

Answer by BIGDOG
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well robert you see how fine of a breed the pitbull is!THATS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FROM THE START.I LOVE THE BREED AND REALLY DO NOT THINK ANY OTHER COMPARES,WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTING.THATS WHAT WE WERE DEBATEING.TRYING TO PROVE AND SO FORTH.BUT IF THEY ARE NOT FOUGHT THEY,WILL CEASE TO BE PITBULLS.JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER WORKING BREEDS THAT ARE NO LONGER USED FOR WHAT THEY WERE BRED TO DO.THEY WILL BE ANOTHER OF THE MANY BREEDS THATS ONLY SHOWN IN THE RING AND JUDGED ON LOOKS ALONE.THAT WOULD BE KIND OF SAD.I HAVE HAD DOGS I LOVED TO MUCH TO FIGHT.I KNEW ONE THAT HAD TREMEDOUS ABILTY.AFTER HE DIED OF OLD AGE I HAD TO RETHINK THIS.AND I KINDA THOUGHT WHAT A WASTE OF A LOT A BREEDING AND TALENT.THE OLD FELLER NEVER DID GET TO DO WHAT HE WAS BRED TO DO.AND THAT WAS KINDA SAD.SO WE WOULD'NTHAVE THESE DOGS WITH ALL OF THEIR WAYS AND QUALITY'S IF NO ONE HAD EVER FOUGHT THEM.AND IF THEY ARE'NTFOUGHT IN THE FURTURE THEY WILL CEASE TO EXIST.

 

Answer by beachinsarah
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I just found this site about fighting dogs.  I do not want to fight dogs or anything.  I am just curious, are Alaskan Malamutes ever used as fighting dogs.  I have a female Mal and she is absolutely vicious when it comes to other dogs, I have also read that female Mals are known as vicious fighters who fight to the death, is this true??

 

Answer by maxime
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OH yess MALAMUTE is verry tuff dog, I am 3 malamute MALE and FEMALE, my 3 MALAMUTE is tuff to the fight.

AND god DOG with Child.




 

Answer by sled dude
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yeah malamute will put up a good fight. i would rate them a 7 on a 1 to 10.

 

Answer by Dean
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Dog fighting is a deviation from hunting or baiting large animals, it will not find social acceptance, especially in North America. There is no utility or benefit from dog fighting to the dogs. There is no industry other than gambling that will support the activity.    

There are many serious breeds out there, and the owner should not encourage the dog to fight other dogs but should socialize their dog with people and other dogs (especially small dogs). The serious breeds will fight, but will not fight to the death, and neither will the pitt bull so long as they are not encouraged.

 

Answer by IT MAKES ME SICK
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NOTHING FINDS SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE BESIDES WHAT THE GOVERMENT SAYS IS ACCEPTABLE.THE DRUNK GETS TREATMENT AND A DISABILTY CHECK.THE DRUG USER GOES TO PRISON.TOBACCO IS O.K. EVEN THOUGH IT KILLS MILLIONS.POT IS'NTALL RIGHT.MEN CAN BEAT EACH OTHER IN THE RING.THERES MILLIONS AT STAKE.BETS ARE MADE THATS O.K. SOMETIMES BOXERS ARE KILLED IN THE RING.THATS O.K.DOGS ARE KEPT ON CHAINS [SHORT]IN THE HOT SUN.THEY ARE BARELY WATERED OR FED.THEY ARE KEPT IN 6 BY 6 PENS THAT ARE NEVER CLEANED.SOMETIMES FOUR OR MORE.UNWANTED DOGS [AND CATS]ARE GASSED,SHOT,INJECTECD NO FAULT OF THEIRS.JUST NOBODY WANTED THEM.ANIMALS ARE KEPT IN PENS BARELY BIG ENOUGH TO TURN AROUND IN.JUST TO BE BUTCHERED SO PEOPLE CAN EAT.IN JAPAN ITS O.K. TO FIGHT DOGS ITS LEAGLE.SO MAYBE THATS WHY ITS GOTTEN SO BAD I NTHE USA BECAUSE ITS NOT.IDON'TKNOW ALL OF THE ANSWERS BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MAKEING SOMETHINGS AGAINST THE LAW ATRACTS SOME DAMN BAD PEOPLE TO IT.AND MAKES IT WORSE.THERES VERY MISTREATED ANIMALS ALL AROUND US.NOT JUST THE ONES PEOPLE FIGHT.PEOPLE USE ANIMALS AND ABUSE THEM ITS WRONG AS CAN BE BUT I CAN ONLY TAKE CARE OF MINE.MOST OF MY DOGS [LAB.-BEAGLE-BIRD DOG AND A PITBULL]WHERE UNWANTED AND WOULD NOT BE LIVING TODAY IF I HAD'NTTOOK THEM IN.I'VE SEEN PITS FIGHT AND ITS BAD BUT THERES WORSE ALL AROUND US EVERYDAY.JUST OPEN YOUR EYES!

 

Answer by yerr_sister
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BLACKBEARD: CORRECTION: a lone hyena CANNOT and WILL NOT EVER take on a leopard or a lion: the only time a hyena can win either one of those big cats is when they are in a pack - and that being a pack of at least 6+ that is, and even then it is usually only when big cat is weak, injured or has lost it's pride of other lions and been out roaming and hasn't eaten for a while and when they are alone. And NEVER an adult male lion, not one on one.  As for the pit bull not being able to kill the wolf?  I will try to find the link because I just read that pit bulls win wolves all the time last night.  And the other person was right, wolves' power is in the pack.  Truthfully, unless you've ever known or owned one of these pits you just wouldn't understand.  My 80 lb. pit is a female and is the sweetest dog around people and even small animals - but the bigger and badder the other animal is, the more my dog actually froths at the mouth and ready to KILL.  She is a quick and solid muscle powerhouse - but the difference between the pit and other dogs like wolves, is the pit was bred for COURAGE and in most fights, courage is a big part of the fight.  They don't need to be in a pack, yet if so, would be like a nuclear weapon.  In nature most animals have ways to appear bigger and meaner like their fur will fluff and their backs will raise and they turn sideways as to appear bigger hoping to ward off an attacker, but to the pit bull?  They simply DON'T CARE about that stuff.  They are like psychotic crack heads on PCP when it comes to the fight.  This was BRED in them, and it goes against nature (leave it to mankind to do this) because in nature even a large cat can ward off a german shepard with its back up and fur extended and loud hissing and high-pitched noises - but not a pit, with them it's "the bigger the better," they were bred to fight BULLS.  Now, tell me ANY dog that would just straight up attack a BULL!  THERE ARE NONE.  The only dogs that attack big animals like bulls are when they see them as PREY, for food and they are usually in a pack.  Not true with the pit, it has nothing to do with food, just bred in them.  Years and years of breeding this into them.  And for the other person that said pits only fight when they are trained to?  You are incorrect: I have never trained my pit to fight and she's been raised with 21 cats and trained to not even GROWL at any of the cats.  No, her killer instinct just surfaced on its own.

 

Answer by yerr_sister
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Here's a link on the wolf and pit bulls and other dogs:  http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-3986.html  (sorry to bring another subject into this subject)

 

Answer by yerr_sister
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Here's a link on the wolf and pit bulls and other dogs:  http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-3986.html  (sorry to bring another subject into this subject)

 

Answer by yerr bro BIG DOG
Submitted on 5/8/2004
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YOU GO GIRL.YOU KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE PIT BREED.I HAVE PITS AND LIVE NEXT TO A CATTLE FARM.I HAVE TO KEEP MINE UP AT 7-8 MONTHS OLD BECAUSE THEY WILL GO OVER AND START IT,WITH THE BADDEST BULL THERE!I SOLD I PUP TO A FARMER ONCE.HE WOULD'NTKEEP HIM UP AT ALL.I TOLD THE GUY BUT NO HE DID'NTLISTEN.WHEN HIS PUP WAS 11 MONTHS OLD HE KILLED HIS PRIZE 2000LB. BLACK ANGUS BULL.I MEAN THIS WAS A PURPLE RIBBON BRED PIT.AND THIS GUY JUST THOUGHT HE COULD LET HIM RUN AT LARGE!THAT AND OTHER FACTORS IS WHY I GAVE SELLING PIT PUPS.MOST PEOPLE JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BREED AT ALL.AND WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS ITS ALWAYS THE DOGS FAULT.MY 80LB. MALE PIT WOULD ONLY FIGHT A DOG THAT WANTED IT.HE WOULD'NTEVEN LOOK AT A SMALL YEPPING DOG.HE WOULD RAISE HIS HEAD HIGHER WHEN THEY WOULD COME BARKING AT HIM AND TROT AWAY.ANOTHER THING DEAN WHAT ABOUT GREYHOUNDS AND HOW THEY ARE USED AND KILLED AFTER A FEW YEARS OF RACING.WHAT INDUSTRY SUPORTS THIS?I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANY DOG MAN DOING THAT TO ONE OF HIS PITS NO MATTER HOW OLD HE IS!BUT THE GREYHOUND GUYS CAN KILL THEIRS JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO FEED THEM!THATS DISPOSABLE ASSETS.BUT ITS O.K. BECAUSE OUR GOVERNMENT SAYS SO!

 

Answer by Brooklyn2real
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THE BEST PITBULLS IS THE ONES THAT IS AROUND 65LBS THE TOSA IS NOT CURS THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE BETTER APPEARANCE WITH THERE WEIGHT I have one and he is well shaped he is not fat like the other ones. and Pits are the best pound for pound dogs but for the people that said staffs and bull terriers would beat a Tosa. I would have to disagree because the Staffies and the english bullies have speed but they not slick and game like there family member the pitbull.

 

Answer by john
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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hello, just curious, what is the best way to game test a dog without having to fight? i know nothing can truly test this without "testing" this, but what are some things to look for to give me an idea? when my girl plays tugawar with any other dog she goes for hours non stop wearing every dog down, even when she loses, she thinks shes winning, and never gives in, lets go, or appears to ever get tired or even close.some dogs can pull her around but no dog has ever left with the rope.she even "plays" with trees 1 to 5 inches thick tugging for hours, literaly crying and once mouth bleeding , never letting go. ONE BITE,ONE HOLD FOR HOURS!!.too bad theres no competition for this.its truly a sight to see!! but she has gotten into a few little accidental quick fights, she seemed to think she won but didn't look like it to me, so id say shes a fairly wimpy pit, but  she acts like shes winning, happy as can be and cant get enough. ill never fight her so im curious what you guys might think. sorry for taking up so much room.

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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YOU JUST REALLY CAN'T TELL ABOUT TRUE DOWN AND OUT GAMENESS UNDER NOTHING BUT PIT CONDITIONS.A PIT SRATCHES WITH A BROKEN LEG AND KILLS THE OTHER PIT THATS GAME!WHAT YOUR DOGS IS SHOWING IS THAT SHE A PITBULL!

 

Answer by TRUTH
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Tosa's are used to fight where it is legal and they do it to get the best (ultimate) family protector.  Pit Bulls are fought where it is not legal, just to satisfy ones ego.  You will never get a better fighter with this ignorance, Japan knows this.  Adog that is loved will fight better to protect what he loves.  For you idiots that keep raving about you inbred pitbulls, keep being ignorant, you will be the destruction of the APBT.  The poorest, the smallest, the worst of people will always own and fight the pit.
The Tosa is fought for reasons and in a controlled atmosphere, with rules to be respected.  Anyone who does any other crossbreeding with this breed or any other is also ignorant, go adopt a mutt if you want a cross breed.  Do some reading, Akita was the fighter for Japan, before it started to lose more than 50% of its fights to the APBT.  It was than replaced by the Tosa, which became the fighter for Japan for more than 100 years.  The Akita was then reintroduced into the Tosa line to see if it would make the Tosa or Akita breed any better (improvement).  It didn't, it ruined both breeds so they stopped.  Now people will get an aggressive Akita, and a large one at that, most of these were the throw backs that were allowed to come back to the USA with our American soldiers during WWII.  Before that the Akita was not allowed out of Japan, it was considered a dog of Royalty and no commoner was allowed to own one.  If only they thought of this for the APBT, we wouldn't have so much in breeding and ignorant people owning them.  As far as the debate of inbreeding pitbulls, well you have over 5 million pits in the USA, with as little as 25% or less in good homes.  Well if you keep breeding or you want to start breeding, how do you really know its not mated with its decendant, the chances its not inbred is like 1 in 5 million.  If you want a mutt buy a pit or go the pound where they rescued 12 under BIGDOG's porch.  If you are going to the pound you might want something that won't rip your childs face off though.  If you want a family pet get a lab or a golden, if you want family protection get 5 lbs. ankle biter, with a 357 mag. and 12 gauage like me.  And for you ignorant poor pitbull owners and breeders, my neighbors two shiba's put a lot of stitches in a pit that was looking for trouble.  I thought that was funny.  So, if you really want to own the baddest dog get a Shiba and a Shotgun, it will win every time.  STOP BREEDING A WASTED BREED, AND STOP BREEDING AMONGST YOURSELVES, DO US A FAVOR AND ADOPT.

 

Answer by FUK  YOU BLOW HARD
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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I DON'T BREED ANYDAMN DOGS YOU STUPID JERK. THE PITS I HAVE ARE PURPLE RIBBON BRED AND RUN 1500 EACH.I KNOW ABOUT PUPPY MILL PITS.SO WHAT?YOU CAN GET GOOD ONES IF YOU WANT THEM.TOSA HAVE SHOWN ME NOTHING!BUT QUITTING IF THEY WERE ALL THAT I WOULD HAVE THEM!TOSA UP ONE IN THE RING WATCH IT CUR OUT!PITS GO OFF MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.THATS WHAT WINS SMART ASS PRICK.

 

Answer by WE AIN' T IN ENGLAND
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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i'mbad news i have a 357 and a shotgun.wow JERK I BET YOUR THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ANYTHING LIKE THAT!HERE IN THE U.S.A. YOU JUST DO NOT EVER SEE THOSE!

 

Answer by doggrl
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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Bullmastiffs are gentle dogs. They look like fighting dog but their really nice and playfull dogs  

 

Answer by lmao tosa man
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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how is it tosa people can find these debates, but dont seem to show themselves where it counts(the pit). enough talk already, just BRING YOUR DAM SLAPPED TOGETHER MUTTS ON THEN.yeah yeah, we've heard this before, someone always seems to have the breed that can bring down the pitbull, but where is it? why is it not in the pit? and yes we can afford them, we just can't afford to lose with them.only ONE breed has proven itself consistently, and it is'nt the dam tosa.maybe someday with time and good breeding, but right now, thats a laugh. if you can't take the HEAT, well, you know the rest.you can talk all the smack you want and hope, but we will see when WE SEE. dikrider

 

Answer by need a dog
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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hey i need a dog that can herd better then a sheepdog, can someone slap one together real quick for me. maybe in japan, i hear they can work miracles that can beat hundreds of years of selective breeding.

 

Answer by fagdragon
Submitted on 5/9/2004
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TRUTH is firedragons on other site. only there he said less then 1 million pitbulls, now he changes his own numbers to suit himself again. we are all over you dumb ass. i bet you like it in the ass too. c'mon tell us some more jokes. maybe you'de like to meet in person to discuss this further? let me know.    .357 and a shotgun...lol those are for law-abiding citizens, kinda like the tosa.

 

Answer by BIG DOG
Submitted on 5/10/2004
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FIRE FAGGOT,FUK YOU!

 

Answer by FIREDRAGON 235673
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WHY YES I LOVE IT IN THE ASS!THOSE BIG BAD PIT BULLS ARE SO MEAN ME AND MY BOYFRIEND WON'T EVEN,GO OUTSIDE!WE STAY IN BED ALL DAY QUEERING WITH OUR 5LB. ANKLE BITER!

 

Answer by BIGDOG
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tosas are as inbred as any other dog.they have been bred back to each other over and over.[like fire drags family]no breed of dogs will breed true without it.if you look around the internet you will see were these experts picked up this stuff and put a spin on it to try to bolster their argument. inbreeding is used by all breeders of purebred animals.it can help or hurt the line you are trying to improve.you have to have a sense of what your doing.and also know when to out cross.inbreeding can make the good points very good or the bad very bad.its flase that any at all is bad.without no breeds of purebreed animals would have a type or standard.

 

Answer by TRUTH
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If inbred is so important to your pits, than do you also hold that true amongst your family.  How can you inbreed your pits and say "wow ain't that a beauty", "lets breed him back to his mom and his sister and see if it gets any better."  I think you all hold that inbreeding to dear to home.  Just because your dog or child comes out looking ok, doesn't mean its ok.  There are mental and social problems that can occur.  I still say, whether we are talking about the pit dogs or pit dog owners," You should adopt, stop breeding, its not to late."

 

Answer by BIGDOG
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so what fire dragon nobody but you inbreeds that close.and I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR LIFE.I KNOW YOU SEARCH THE INTERNET,READ SOME STUFF AND USE WHAT YOU WANT ,TO SOUND REAL SMART-I READ THE SAME STUFF.SEE ALL OF YOUR STUFF YOU HAVE TYPED IN THESE SITES.YOU JUST LEAVE OUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE.I HAVE HAD MANY YEARS OF DOG EX. I DON'T HAVE TO SPIN NOTHING!

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 5/10/2004
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dude it s not important to MY pits its just the way breeders type and improve whatever purebred,animal they arebreeding.be it tosas, pigs,horses,or pitbulls.theres alot to it most people would'ntknow how to go about it.i would not bring any dogs of any breed into this world.the pits i raised were 25 years ago.i have dogs that nobody wanted of differant breeds.i don'ntcare about dogfighting anymore.the pits i have are not fought they are pets and i just like them because they make great pets.they are not for everyone.you have to be up to owning one.i quit selling pit bull pups years ago because people as arule neglect them badly.

 

Answer by yes yes yes
Submitted on 5/11/2004
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WOW, that made alot of sense and was pretty deep(if you're not stupid that is).

 

Answer by go to hell
Submitted on 5/11/2004
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Who keeps editing and not posting my post.do it one more time you one sided bastard, and maybe your god will pay a visit to your buster ass, and hopefully put you out of my misery.

 

Answer by ANDREA
Submitted on 5/11/2004
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germanshepmom: hey im writting a report on dog fights do you have any more facts that i could use.. and i need oppinions on why it should be illegal and why it shouldnt...

 

Answer by hmmmmmm
Submitted on 5/12/2004
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well im not gemanshepmom but heres what i think. it shouldn'tbe done at all. but we know there are people out there who break laws and fight dogs.these criminals are usually very cruel and don't care for there animals, so if we made it legal(as a sport) we could take it out of the hands of common street thugs, regulate it very strictly to protect the dogs. this takes place in some countrys already and they rarely lose a dog. you hear allot of horror stories,but with rules these fights don't go as far and the dogs walk away. it really shouldn't be legal, but since we can't stop it,we should do what we can for the animals sake.make it professional, not criminal.

 

Answer by hmmmmmm
Submitted on 5/13/2004
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plus tosas are fought in japan and the dogs are greatly respected around there, unlike the pitbulls bad reputation in the u.s. maybe the pitbull would be more respected here if people could see what these dogs gladly put themselves threw. it is sick, but you will never respect another animal more then a pitbull after you see what they can tolerate. thats why there is so much pride on our part, and a deep mistrust, resentment,and disbelief on the part of these pitbull haters. i really don't blame them for not knowing, just not learning. it is a shame these dogs are so mistreated and even sadder yet that even a mistreated pitbull remains loyal and will put itself thru hell for there owners.they are the perfect dog for some people, but only a tool of intimidation in the wrong hands. maybe if we legalized fighting people would learn the difference between animal and human aggression and realize you will not find an animal that loves people more, despite all we have done to them.im sure people on here are going to disagree but do they own a pitbull? no, and they never will,and they will never give our breed a chance to be apart of normal society without there ridicule and mistrust, but screw them, the pitbull is much greater then they will admit and worth every second of hardship you recieve for owning one. in fact once you own one, you learn very quickly they are much more respectable then all these people who wont give them the chance.

 

Answer by hmmmmm
Submitted on 5/13/2004
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sorry i forgot to mention that pitbulls are also used in japan, but the tosas are much larger so there are not alot of fights between breeds, but it is done. i don't know much about it over there and i've heard conflicting things but not to many dispute the fact that pound for pound the pitbull is king.although some day the tosa will have the history behind it and the right breeding to make it just as game, but bigger.

 

Answer by PITS AND TOSAS ONLY
Submitted on 5/13/2004
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WWW.TOURYUKAI.COM

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 5/13/2004
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WWW.TOURYKAI.COM PITS AND TOSAS ARE ALL THAT WILL FIGHT IN THE PIT.THIS SITE PROVES THAT.

 

Answer by mr
Submitted on 5/14/2004
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WWW.TOURYUKAI.COM
NO password NO PROVE!

please pass me password for acces this site

thanks

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 5/14/2004
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ITS 9.95 PER MONTH TO WATCH 20 DOG MATCHES.PER MONTH GO TO THE SITE IT TELLS YOU HOW TO GET ON.I CAN GET YOU ON NOTHING BUT THE START WHICH TELLS QUITE A LOT ITS  SELF. TO SEE THE MATCHES TAPED IN JAPAN SORRY YOU HAVE TO PAY!

 

Answer by canadian
Submitted on 5/14/2004
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Ok guys....
Are we talking about aggresiveness and willingness to fight or power and strength?
When it comes to power and strength the lord of all dogs is a KANGAL! It is a very rare breed and mistakenly introduced as ANATOLIAN SHAPPERD DOG. Kangal is really a unique breed that you have to ask for special permission to take the dog with you outside of the country. Kangals are the national dogs of Turkey. The reason why they are not popular in the new world is because you are not allowed to take this breed outside of the country.
A fully grown male is sometimes upto 200lb and never fat but very muscular. I am originally from the sivas region where these dogs are considered originally from!
I have seen several dog fights but there is nothing seeing a Kangal fighting against a pack of Wolves. I am not talking about coyotes but wild, huge, hungry, blod thirsty wolves.
Kangal is not a fighting dog unless challanged. They are great with children and never attacks a friend of yours. They use initiative and they are not like bring my shoes dog! They by instict know what to do and when! Although it is not a fighting breed they believe me will never step back in case they are challanged. They have no hesitation to stop a real danger.
How many of you seen a 200lb dog fighting against a bear, a boar and a wolf? If you had seen one of these fights believe me the dog fights you are talking about would sound like little harmless jokes.
If you have a Kangal you can leave your door open and sleep with peace of mind. They are not trouble and fight looking for dogs. But in case a Kangal is challanged he will without a moment of hesitation will show who the boss is. Once again I am not talking about Anatolian Shapperd dogs but The Kangal dog. The lord of all dogs.

 

Answer by mr
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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I am 16 year old I no credit card  


 

Answer by tom
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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hey canadian, sounds like a great dog. i would love to see a picture.do you have any more info or know where i could see.

 

Answer by bigdog
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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well i am sorry but you can'nthave my card numbers-that would be a hoot credit card numbers on here!

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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If you had a 140 lb Tosa, it would be difficult to imagine any dog that could beat it, but as the website says, these dogs are useless as guard dogs, they will not attack humans.

 

Answer by Dean
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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Hey Bigdog, which is the toughest type of pitbull and how many types are there. Is a rednose any good.

 

Answer by bigDOG
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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the best and toughest type of PIT BULL is the one that wins.any thing else is unknown and hype.Some red nose are a strain others just are born that way random.thers really no way to tell what any dog will do untill its tested.

 

Answer by the big dod j.r
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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the guy by the name of big dog is great ..he also is very smart and knows what he is talkin about...thank you for all of the info..about pitbulls

 

Answer by hmmmm
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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not sure on this,but i have heard the old family rednose is closest to the pitbull back in the day.that over time the  blues were more likely to be bred for other purposes. bigdog would probably know if thats correct or not. im sure there are some great blues. i have a blue fawn, and i believe he is one huge cur.i have had a few red noses, and one of them was as game as game could ever be, he also had the skills,unfortunately he is no longer around.he would of impressed anyone!!!the red nose i have now is pretty game but lacking in the skills and mouth department.

 

Answer by hmmmm
Submitted on 5/15/2004
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sorry i should of also said the red nose i have now has never been game tested, so im really not sure, but my redboy thats passed away OVER proved himself 4 times,damn i miss him!!!he was only 4 when he died.

 

Answer by bigDOG
Submitted on 5/16/2004
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theres many strains and personal offshoots of the APBT line.they are performance bred dogs.[more so years ago]red nose old family was a old long time strain of pit.in the 50's they were bred by and into Wallace bloodlines.they produced some of the all time great dogs.all great strains produce good and poor dogs.the best are more consistent about the good.some APBT do not look like they could whip a cat.but they may just be the among the most game!bred for performance not the show ring.looks are not taken into breeding gamebred.

 

Answer by BigAl
Submitted on 5/20/2004
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All this talk about the best fighting dogs is crazy ..back in the 1960s while born and raise in the Bronx ny/ alot of of the fellas had German shepards/ Dobies/ boxer and beleive me not they were awesome fighting machines...but todays time in our world the pitt bull and the Tosa stand alone theres no dog out there that can match there power/ strength/ and stamina..on the spitz level i would have to go with the male akita..

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 5/21/2004
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THE PITS WERE ONLY KEPT BY THE REAL FIGHT DOG MEN,BACK THEN.PEOPLE IN GENERAL DID NOT START TO OWN THEM UTIL THE 70'S.MOST PEOPLE DID'NTKNOW WHAT A PIT BULL WAS IN THE 60'S.

 

Answer by blizzard
Submitted on 5/22/2004
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The Kangal a fighting dog???????Oh please shut up and get a good doctor, you're really talking crap, I've seen enough Kangals, and not in Turkey but in Holland, no they're no match at all, they're slow and haven't got bitepower, they're not athletic.The Anatolian is a great sheperd that isn't afraid of satan itself, but they're no match against a fighting breed because they weren't breed to fight, it's not in their guts.And a real fighting breed will allways show blood and guts.

 

Answer by Just Curious
Submitted on 5/27/2004
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I'm amazed at the absolute fanaticism that you all invest in your arguments over dog fighting, bloodlines, all this pointless faldarall - such a waste of time, and an obvious absence of humanity.  Seriously, now - don't you all have anything better to do with yourselves?  

How you, at least those who've been to fights, and seen what actually happens, can face the light of day with any self-respect is completely beyond me.  I'm talking about bodily lacerations, eyes torn out, legs amputated, ears ripped off...you name it.  And to think that some of you defend this "sport" by claiming that the dogs love it - here's what I'd love.  Seeing your type being put in the ring with such dogs.  Your skin being torn off your muscles.  Your ears being ripped off, lungs punctured...need I go on?  

This is what happens to fighting dogs much of the time - they suffer.  How you all can't see this is inconceivable.  So, why are you all so wrapped up in it?  Is it money?  Is it status?  Is it blood lust?  What is it?

 

Answer by get chilly!
Submitted on 5/27/2004
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HEY WE ARE JUST TALKING DUDE.MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD FIGHT DOGS WOULD'NTBE ON HERE ANYWAY.SO TAKE A CHILL PILL MAN!

 

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 5/30/2004
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I have the deadliest dog you could imagine. He have fought against Tosas and pits, and they don't last 4 seconds. My Dash Hound has only received one bite for fight due to my train methods. He is a lethal machine. It's just a matter of add arsenic to his hair. When his opponent bites, dies in 3 secs.

Kisses.

Fight dogs are stupids. You want a deadly dog, you should better buy a 45mm. It doesn't eat.

He accepts fights

 

Answer by bigDOG
Submitted on 5/30/2004
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thats 45 cal. dumbass.their is no such thing as a 45 mm.think about it a 9mm.thats a common pistol.a 45mm would be FIVE TIMES AS BIG AROUND.ARSENIC DOES NOT WORK THAT QUICK.SO YOU ARE WAY OFF.

 

Answer by AmBull Owner
Submitted on 6/3/2004
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Non-fighter

 

Answer by GoEast
Submitted on 6/3/2004
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Have u guys ever come across a Malaysian 'Kampung' dogs?! These dogs are use in Southern Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia as well to hunt wild elephants. They fight elephants one on one and rip the trunk out in less than 5 mins!!

 

Answer by YEA RIGHT
Submitted on 6/4/2004
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BULL SH*T!!!

 

Answer by Jeffrey Normore
Submitted on 6/5/2004
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Yes, the bullmastiff is a fighting dog often times it fought against neos, american bulldogs, and rottweilers. It is not a popular fighting dog but is a fighting dog. Jeffrey_Normore@yahoo.com

 

Answer by unknown
Submitted on 6/6/2004
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Listen, I'm going to break it down and make this as simple as I can. This is just how it is and there's nothing you can do about it.

(All dogs are ranked as if they were GAME BRED)
If the dogs are not game bred then the fights outcome can be unpredictable.

Dogs that can fight...

First Class
- APBT
- Tosa Inu

Dogs that have little or no chance of beating the first class...

Second Class
- Dogo Argentino
- American Bandogge
- English Bull Terrier
- American Staffordshire Terrier
- American Bulldog
- Presa Canario
- Bully Kutta
- Fila Brasileiro

Dogs that have little or no chance of beating the second class...

Third Class
- Caucasian Ovtcharka
- Neapolitan Mastiff
- Spanish Bulldog
- Cane Corso
- Mallorquin Bulldog (Ca De Bou)
- Gul Dong
- Dogue De Bordeaux
- Guatemalan Bull Terrier
- Indian Bull Terrier
- Staffordshire Bull Terrier

And finally dogs that have no chance or little of beating the third class but can still hold their own...

The fourth class
- German Shepherd
- Doberman
- Rottweiler
- Shar Pei
- Alaskan Malamute
- Bullmastiff
- Wolf Hybrids
- Chow Chow (yes, even the Chow Chow)
- Most of the ovtcharkas
- A few shepherds.
- Akita Inu
- Thai Ridgeback
- Tibetan Mastiff, (and almost every other of mastiff origin that I didn't name, including the Boerboel and others)

The Fourth Class can go on forever. It mainly consists of your most common, popular breeds that you think so highly of…

Believe it or not, when it comes down to, pound for pound that's just how it is!

 

Answer by GoEast
Submitted on 6/6/2004
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Exactly!

 

Answer by tbrown
Submitted on 6/10/2004
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Interesting reading.  I wonder though how many of you are actually telling the truth.  I am not too familiar with the Tosa having only seen them at a couple of shows but most of the other breeds are owned by people I know.  I myself have had the honor of owning a boxer, a pit bull terrier (that was a rescued fighter), a bull terrier, and a great pyrenees as well as several mixed breeds ranging from a few pounds to a st bernard/anatolian mix weighing about 130 lbs.  The pit bull could do some amazing things; getting over six foot fences, catching a tennis ball thrown as hard as I could at him and while he was not dog aggressive when provoked a few times he was a literal demon that any dog regardless of size would be hard pressed to stand against.  My bull terrier while a pretty tough customer who more than stood his own in a rather brutal neighborhood encounter with a rotti was not the athlete or fighter that my pit was.  The bully was a great dog and pretty tough but he was no pit.  The boxer (actually I had two) was also pretty tough but he could not have handled my bull terrier let alone my pit.  The pyr has been the surprise.  Her temperment really caught me off guard.  She is very protective of the property and the children.  The pit was protective of my little ones but not the home or yard.  My bull terrier's best friend was the next person coming to the gate so while pretty tough he was not real protective (i still loved him though).  But this pyr is a pretty wicked customer when aroused.  At an early age, less than one year, she got the best of a rotti roaming the neighborhood and then injured a large dobie that got too near my children in the park.  She could not handle a pit but she is much quicker than I would have imagined and with the pyr'sstrength, size, and all that fur she would certainly give a good account of herself which would likely save my children until help could arrive.  Having been so long winded I believe what I am trying to say is that while the pit bull based on both mine and others I have seen is probably the dog to beat I would think that a large active aggressive dog like a tosa, anatolian sheppard, canary dog, cao, or other large athletic mastiff breed could on a good day give a pit a great run for the money.  And I had a friend who raised bull mastiffs and while they did not use them for fighting they were certainly athletic and powerful dogs and though a good pit would likely beat one I bet he would be pretty sore for the next few days.

 

Answer by What
Submitted on 6/13/2004
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I am surprised to see how little consideration the central asian ovcharka gets as far as fighting breed goes. As far as I know, this is by far the most commonly used fighting dog in eastern Europe and the states of the former USSR. I doubt any of you have a well informed opinion on how a fine game bred pit bull would do against a first class 100+ lbs game bred CAO (of which you would certainly not see any examples of in the US). To see the the latter, considering its huge popularity as a fighting breed in eastern Europe/former USSR, being ranked as a fourth? class fighting breed is strange indeed and almost certainly misleading.

 

Answer by big DOG
Submitted on 6/13/2004
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GO TO WHICH IS THE BEST FIGHT DOG.[GOOGLE]  A GUY KHAN,FROM PAKISTAN HAS BEEN POSTING THERE LATELY HE SEEMS REAL KNOWLEDGEABLE.TELLS ABOUT CAO,AND MUCH MORE.

 

Answer by Beauty
Submitted on 6/13/2004
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Guys please the most interesting facts i've ever read is about my people...the Mi'kmaq it is well documented even in Britain archives and archives in Canada that we have/had our people capable of killing bears with but our own/bare hands (This is a fact and before you go on talking crap look up the archives in Halifax Canada or deeply search the net about our people we got forced to fight in pits before even the birth of pit bulls our people where stolen and then forced in Britain to be pitted on pits vs. humans slaves and many other animals and we are noted to have killed many of their pit bulls even back then ). If you do not believe this start searching the internet you will find out just how tough we are and the Spanish took great care in not to strike our heads with their blades swords as well as the Britain’s due to our superior skeleton structures etc. much like the wolfs being the eldest of all dogs/domestic. Creator has put them on top list and just them being soooo many and scattered sooo wide and far tells us all common sense the APB needs humans to sustain them other then that they are out of natural elements and would all parish off and die but the wolf would thrive in any part of this world. Creator has shown all of us whom/what dogs/breeds are the toughest... they are all still here aren’t they???? Much like our people the mighty Algonquin/Mi'kmaq tribes. Reminds me of Akita's who are used to create Tosa's...also wolfs are used...the aboriginal’s dogs or even humans of their natural elements would beat almost anything in our/their paths. Take us out of our element and perhaps a different story would happen.. nope.. we fought in both world wars and have killed more men then any other race per 1 human vs any other race! We just where sooo pure blooded we didn't have your colds or flu/germs! Yet we are still here and what do they say??? the strongest survive and we... the north Americans aboriginals are still here alive and well.. Breeding and growing! I myself can pick up 100lbs with 1 finger and curl it as easy as a Britain picks up a spot of tea and places it down! Difference is I will not spill anything unlike Britain’s or their descendants. Look at UFC Ultimate fighting champion or K1 fighting… primal instinct and whom dominates this area? Brazil Indians and Hawaiians you have yet to witness our tribes in these matches… beware! We (North American Aboriginals) are even stronger it’s noted and well…well documented! Why are all the American battle ships named after our tribes… that’s correct you didn’t defeat us with your mights only with your pathetic weak gene pools that carried bacteria’s and germs unnatural and unheard of to our pure blooded/clean people.  Stop fighting these dogs unless it’s done like Japan for their sakes and yours because what goes around comes around!

Welalin, (Thank you)

Beauty.  

 

Answer by dogs mate
Submitted on 6/14/2004
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i own an Akita who's soppy unless provoked and i think he'll give any breed a run for his money but i hate dog fighting idiots they need mauling themselves

 

Answer by PICK THIS UP PRETTY
Submitted on 6/15/2004
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indians lost to white america because they could'nt even advice after 1000's of years.they are not strong they are mainly small and weak.they are native to asia.so get of your pick up 100lbs. with one finger crap.the reason they don't fight in boxing aND anyother money fights is they get their red asses whipped by any other races.do you EVER SEE A INDIAN DO ANY SPORTS?NO THEY ARE AS GOOD OF PEOPLE AS ANY, BUT THEY ARE NOT STRONG.DO YOU EVER SEE A AMERICAN INDIAN WEIGHTLIFTER,IN A STRONG MAN CONTEST.HEY I HAVE A LITTLE INDIAN IN ME, BUT I AM HONEST!

 

Answer by Bullmastiffs for President
Submitted on 6/15/2004
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Fighting dogs are uneeded in todays world unless you find yourself being frequently attacked by rabid-roaming male dogs who wander onto your property displaying aggressive behavior towards you and your children.  Then it would be nice to have a "fighting dog" handy to fight and protect you and your home.

But wait a second.  Any decent working guard dog could do that.  As stated before, bullmastiffs are not "pit fighting dogs", however they are superior guard dogs.  I am confident if a rabid-roaming male "high game" pit bull climbed or dug over or under my fence with my little girl in the backyard.  My bullmastiff would have no problem handling the situation.  Just as a pitbull has a high drive to win a fight, so does a mastiff have an equal drive to guard and protect.  bullmastiffs are highly agile and athletic despite there size.  As a matter of fact, I take mine backpacking all the time.  He usually ends up pulling his own pack and me with my pack on up steep hills.  I would imagine my bull mastiff grabbing the pitbull by the neck and shaking it like a little rag...seriously.  The mastiff drive to protect is as high as the pit bull to fight.

The original question should of been.  Are Bull Mastiffs good guard dogs?  The answer is yes.  

 

Answer by The genius
Submitted on 6/17/2004
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I love the authority who has the Sharpei rated higher than the Akita. What does the other dog do, laugh itself to death or maybe the opponent gets smothered in their wrinkles???.....wow, how plainly stupid is that???

 

Answer by TheGenius
Submitted on 6/17/2004
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will somebody tell blackbeard to get sober...an african wild dog would dispatch a pit bull...or a presa, corso, ABD in 15 minutes w/o a scratch.....OK.
those scrawny runts would take an arsewhipping from a tough miniature poodle.

 

Answer by Tough
Submitted on 6/17/2004
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YEAH IT TAKES 9000 TO KILL A GAZELLE.

 

Answer by sk
Submitted on 6/18/2004
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People who do dog fighting should get shot in the head

 

Answer by ks
Submitted on 6/19/2004
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people who do dogs should should get shot in the head.

 

Answer by fighter hater
Submitted on 6/22/2004
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Fighting animals is wrong and cruel.

 

Answer by Opiatefreak
Submitted on 6/25/2004
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I own a 2 year old boxer. I don't fight dogs but just out of curiosity what do you guys think would win, a boxer or a Rottwieler. I'm going for the boxer because they are built like a pitbull, are light, are all muscle, don't give up, and have a lot of agility and stamina.  

 

Answer by Opiatefreak
Submitted on 6/25/2004
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I own a 2 year old boxer. I don't fight dogs but just out of curiosity what do you guys think would win, a boxer or a Rottwieler. I'm going for the boxer because they are built like a pitbull, are light, are all muscle, don't give up, and have a lot of agility and stamina.  

 

Answer by bigDOG
Submitted on 6/26/2004
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I have a friend with a 75lbs.boxer,that is very dog aggressive.he got in a fight with a bigger rott by chance once.before it was broke up he had the bigger dog down and by the throat.of course it could be different with different dogs.[his boxer is very built,more so than many i have seen.]

 

Answer by vikki
Submitted on 6/28/2004
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i have a large bullmastiff and she is as saft as a brush . I have never known her hurt any one  or even try to hurt anyone. I think the only fighting dog i know is the american pit bull and i have watched films and documentries on them and find them dogs extremely horrible the way they fight until death . Bull mastiff are no fighting dog at all.

 

Answer by Genius
Submitted on 6/29/2004
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To Beauty, I must say that what you tell rings true from a man who's had 2 alpha male Akitas over a 20 yr. span. In this time similar things happened with one or the other. I had to endure some a-hole letting his pit bull (45-50 lbs. max)off his truck bed, the effing hick wanted to see a fight. Guess what, my Akita(not huge, but immensely strong and wide at 115 "true" lbs.)took the pit apart. i mean tore it up like it was a poodle. ruined a back leg by dislocating it, a gash from eye to base of neck that split open...just a brutal drubbing...and my Akita a had enough bites for me to have to spend a lot of bucks not to treat but for shots for anti-inflammation, rabies, etc..My second Akita, a huge 140 long coat was unbeatable with his long coat and huge size. his paws, typically Akita were bigger than a English mastiff and his head and neck were ridiculous. every dawg dumb enough to try him went down so quickly it was never a serious fight. i just put him down undefeated, never seriously challanged, so to speak, at 14 yrs. old. i agree, the akita is probably the most aggressively bent dog against man or beast i'veever seen. I love them, but it's like owning a lion. I just picked up a great Cane Corso pup...a much mellower breed, but I'll miss owning an akita...one of the toughest breeds ever.

 

Answer by randy
Submitted on 6/30/2004
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i have rottweiler when it was about 7 months it killed a full grown boxer now thats a fighting dog

 

Answer by j
Submitted on 7/1/2004
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they r fearless, brave but will only fight if provoked and will protect it human family till the end but it is not a fighting dog

 

Answer by OCfiend
Submitted on 7/1/2004
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a boxer would kick a rotties ass. Boxers are built like pits. Agile, sleek, solid and musuclar and have a good deal of determination. Rottwielers are just strong. Also, boxers have way more jaw strength than a rottie.

 

Answer by macker
Submitted on 7/1/2004
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i have the privilage of having a 2 year old boxerin N Y and an argentine dogo in peru with me. my boxer has gotten into fights at dog parks and won. including pits rotts and even a bull terrier so i dont know what the big deal is. a boxer isnt even considered a fighter and he beat two of the top dogs imagine what my dogo which i use to hunt puma, 500 pound plus wild could do. i hope they get along they've never seen each other, im taking my dogo to NY in 3 months. their both very playfull with most dogs at the beggining, but when it come to dominance their both alpha dogs in thjeir own mind.

 

Answer by bigDOG
Submitted on 7/2/2004
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GO TO WWW.TOURUKAI.COM  IT TELLS WHAT THE JAPANENSE FOUND WHILE FIGHTING DOGS ABOUT DIFFERENT BREEDS.[CLICK ON HISTORY]YEAH RIGHT MACKER WE HAVE HEARD YOU CHANGE THIS STORY AS YOU GO ALONG.

 

Answer by BIGDOG
Submitted on 7/3/2004
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THATS TOURYKAI.COM

 

Answer by credit
Submitted on 7/5/2004
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To all the fools that think that dogs need to be trained to fight. I hope you are not the same dumb fools I see in the dog parks with your dogs off the leash.
Fighting dogs were breed to fight. Can it be any simpler. I have had a pit, pit/boxier. olde English bulldoge, and now have an American/English bulldog. the boxer pit would lick you to death. one day a dog trainer friend showed me what my dog was capable of after I said she's so friendly. let's just say that I never took her off the leash in public after that.
Also no mention of the English Stafford shire terrier(30lbs of game terror)..this is a true fighting dog. APBT is the most game then staffy'sIMHO. 30-45lbs is the best for dog fighting. A bigger dog is better for property protection and human intimidation...

 

Answer by deanie
Submitted on 7/7/2004
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i have a bullmastiff and i bought it but we never knew it was a fighting dog and he is only nice to us he is like a gaurd dog which i am very proud of but the only thing is it is hard to stop him fighting so we got his testicals removed and it still didnt work so it depends on what background he is from he has improved a little bit so that the question it is all on the owner

 

Answer by deanie
Submitted on 7/7/2004
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i have got a English Bullmastiff he is great i love him too bits and he is such a family dog He is so protective over us so he has a great personailty he acts like  a human and loves attention so all of you should stop talking about dog fighting and love your dogs

 

Answer by deanie
Submitted on 7/7/2004
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i have got a English Bullmastiff he is great i love him too bits and he is such a family dog hje is so protective over us so he has a great personailty he acys like  a human and loves attention so all of you should stop talking about dog fighting and love your dogs

 

Answer by chrismcfc
Submitted on 7/8/2004
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This is for macker, you really should take your dog to the record books because if it really is 500 lbs it is the heaviest dog in the world surely. And for a dogo that is impressive seen as it wouldn't normally be in the top 5 dogs.
And OCfiend a Boxer beat a Rottie don't be so stupid.
In my opinion a Bullmastiff could beat any dog, as to could it be beat off a fair few, it is ignorance to say that sort of dog is a definite to loose, but they are not a purpose bred fighter

 

Answer by macker
Submitted on 7/8/2004
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they cut off my post the boar hits 500 punds not the dog!!!!!!!

 

Answer by Wise guy
Submitted on 7/9/2004
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The best fighting dogs are the APTB and the tosa inu. They are gamebred. So no other dog could beat them. A 100+ pound molosser could not beat a 60 pound solid muscle gamebred pitbull.

but the ideal fighting machine would defenitely be a 100 pound gamabred amercan bulldog. American bulldogs are the kings of weight pulling/ They're all solid muscle

 

Answer by Wise guy
Submitted on 7/9/2004
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No boxer can beat a rottweiler. And no boxer has a stronger jaw than a rottweiler. That is absolute nonsense Ocfiend. I've seen rottweilers beat Neos, bullmastiffs, great danes and an occasional pitbull.

And besides, rottweilers aren't fighting dogs, altough some can do exceptionally well.

 

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 7/10/2004
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To the WISE GUY those aren't the only gamebred dogs maybe the most popular but not the only and they're not in a class of their own their are many competitors out their that can snatch their crowns...

To the Rest of you Rottweilers and Boxers are definitly not one of them. It's like throwing a teddy bear to an alligator.(I'm a bit over exagerating, but you get my point)

 

Answer by Wise guy
Submitted on 7/10/2004
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well mike, i didn't say thery were the only gamebred dogs, i said they are the best, not the only. And you're right boxers and rotts aren't fighting dogs, they are working dogs

 

Answer by macio
Submitted on 7/11/2004
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I have bred pits from 35lbs to 105lbs. I have bred presa canario'sfrom 100lbs to 150lbs.  I have had Tosa Inu one weighed 140 the other was 160lbs I have in my past fought these dogs, I no longer do that I have seen the power of all these dogs against each other and other dogs, and it is my opionion that there is no dog on earth that compares to a game bred Tosa Inu.  A presa canario would be my next choice providing that it get'sthe job done in 15 minutes. A pitbull pound for pound is unstoppable against any breed except the Tosa Inu and the Presa but if the pitbull hangs with the presa longer then 15 minutes the pit will take it.  Absolutely no other dogs on earth can compare to the three true fighting dogs.  Tosa Inu, Presa Canario, American pitbull terrier.   A Tosa is so agile it fights like a 65lbs PitBull.

 

Answer by me
Submitted on 7/11/2004
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many breeds out there to only choose 3. thats not good...any dog man will tell you that there isnt such a list because any dog can lose at any time to any breed providing it has some kind of fighting blood in it.

 

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 7/12/2004
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Marcio you're full of it! Just because your backyard bred dogs have scrapped with each other doen't mean anything. I'd understand if your dogs were game-bred, and correctly trained just for fighting, but wake up and smell the coffee they aren't. This has been said many times through out the forum that street scraps can be unpredictable and don't proove anything. Also what are the chances of you actually having a "pure" bred presa, Apbt or tosa. If you haven't you figured this out, well I hate to break it to you if you got your dogs in the states chances are they've been cross bred with other dogs. Also you must keep in mind that each dog is different. You can't just come out and state that "this dogs is better than that dog and that dog is better than this dog."

"Absolutely no other dogs on earth can compare to the three true fighting dogs.  Tosa Inu, Presa Canario, American pitbull terrier." - Just freakin' unbelievable. Just from that I'm starting to believe that you're just a little kid... SO GROW UP! Till than you're rediculous statements won't be taken seriously.

- Mike

 

Answer by jokerx
Submitted on 7/14/2004
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No Mike, you're wrong. The best figthing dog is the serbian guard dog. It is not a breed many people have heard of, but it is known for killing pitbulls and just about any other dog. In fact it is considered unfair to throw a sgd in the ring against any other dog unless it's of the same breed.

 

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 7/14/2004
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LOL... By the "serbian guard dog" I'm guessing your talking about the serbian defense dog?

I'm not going to get involved in this one its just to funny.

Just tell me this if this dog is such a killer how come it's not being fought anywhere else except for in serbia and with only with another sdd?

Also, do you have ANY first hand experience with one... Don't beleive everything you read, I'm not saying what you read is false. I'm just saying that till the day you witness this dog actualy defeat the top APBT, or any dog in that matter then we could have a serious conversation.

- Mike

 

Answer by Jokerx
Submitted on 7/15/2004
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No mike, the serbian defensive dog. Who's the one doing the reading MIKE? You probably read it off some site for all we know, and who said it is only fighting in serbia? It's fighting in more countries than you can count, and what's more, countries in which you have not gone to. Got it, good.
And by the way, yeah, I've seen it in the ring, and not just against apbts, sarplaninacs, presa canarios, but for the most part, against apbts.
The day you see an sop, we may just get to have a serious conversation , although i don't think you've had too many of those Mike.  

 

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 7/15/2004
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"No mike, the serbian defensive dog" - what are you trying to say with that? Are you trying to confuse me here?

A Sarplaninac, LOL...Of course I didnt have to many serious conversations, that's due to people like you babbling their mouths off about things they really dont know anything about.

Ok "lets say" you really are a dogman, and what you said was true "cough cough". Maybe you have witnessed this who knows, but who really cares what goes on in tiny little villages that nobody's really heard of.
Haven't you learned yet they'd throw anything into the pits just to win a loaf of bread. Any chance to them is a chance worth taking.

If this dog were such a big hit believe me I'd hear about it, I'd see it more often, people would be talking about it, but they're not. All the information that you probably have on this dog like many others is off the websites and off these forums. Please do us all a favor stop confusing everybody with your nonsense.

GOT IT?!?, GOOD!

I've said I wasn't going to get involved but someone has to stop the nonsense...

Also, in your first post you've said... "No Mike, you're wrong. The best figthing dog is the serbian guard dog." - Well If you'd read more clearly, I understand you do a lot of reading. You'd see that I haven't stated anywhere which dog is the best fight dog, and for a person who doesnt even own this dog what do you really know, except for what's on the internet. Just save it..

GOT IT?!?, GOOD!

-Mike

 

Answer by jokerx
Submitted on 7/15/2004
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Mike who says it fights in small villages only?
You do!! but what do you know? have you seen it fight in such small villages? It's safe to say you haven't. And what's more in more important, what makes you say that people throw it in the ring for a loaf of bread? why do you throw a dog in the pit? if you can't say for yourself then don't say anything at all.
A little advice that just may get you somewhere in life, talk as little as you can and as well as you're capable of.
Got it? didn't expect you to.

 

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 7/16/2004
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First of all I have my reasons for what I say, and what I state is fact from what I have witnessed in life.

As for you who has nothing smart to say stop being jealous as to what I have to say because of your picking of everything that I have to say is starting to tick me off.

Also, you trying to make yourself this wise guy that knows what he's talking about. If you do know what your talking about.. Some words of advice... Stop picking at what I have to say, if what I'm saying is wrong than prove me wrong, and if you know so much start talking instead of this crap that your trying to pull here...

One more thing I hate how you flip my words around and put ONLY at the end... You better stop...

"A little advice that just may get you somewhere in life, talk as little as you can and as well as you're capable of.
Got it? didn't expect you to." - Your just hilarious, and for you.. I'd advice that you don’t say anything unless you have something smart to say, which you never do so don’t even say anything at all...

- Mike

 

Answer by jokerx
Submitted on 7/16/2004
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To begin with, ir you have witnessed what  say you have, then you know better than to say that people throw their dogs for loafs of bread. that is absolute nonesense, and you know you said that cause you were being the wise guy.
Second, i could care less for what you have to say,and i definitely am not jelous of what you say, so don't flatter yourself.
And last, I have nothing to prove to you, and i'mnot trying to pull anything here, as i have no reason of doing it.

 

Answer by Mike
Submitted on 7/16/2004
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You're such an idiot, have you read what you wrote before posting it, I don't think so. You're so pathetic with your excuses and if you're not trying to prove anything then what's all this crap that you keep writing.

First of all you started this with me now you can't finish it... you're saying "Second, i could care less for what you have to say,and i definitely am not jelous of what you say, so don't flatter yourself.
And last, I have nothing to prove to you, and i'mnot trying to pull anything here, as i have no reason of doing it." - Seems to me like you care a lot for what I have to say so YOU don't flatter yourself.

As for the loaf of bread, are you kidding I guess you haven't been anywhere except for your backyard if you have one. When you mentioned the Sarplaninac right away I thought of little village because nobody would ever put a shepherd-like dog a in real pit fight with high stakes, something for you to think about. Like I have said before, for the people over there any chance to make some money is a chance worth taking. Money = Food, you understand that?! You narrow minded imbecile. Especially in the poorest villages where dog fights are parts of their culture.

I'm done with you, why am I trying to prove anything to you, you probably wouldn't even understand if I drew it on a piece of paper... So pathetic.

- Mike

 

Answer by jokerx
Submitted on 7/17/2004
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WHAT ARE YOU GOIN DO IF I DON'T STOP FAGGOT MIKE?NOTHING THATS WHAT!KISS MY ASS FOOL!@

 

Answer by dogman021
Submitted on 7/20/2004
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pits are unsurpassed in the pit some of these guys dont know what they are talking about i fight dogs i raise game bred pits and no other dog breed will beat a true game bred pit a bullmastiff tsands no chance i have seen them loose only guy thta made any since was the one thta said only tru fighting dogs are pits and tosas not true but hes right thye are the best but a tosa is much larger and more game than a bull mastiff and too proove my point go get the book by stratton on pits it has a picture of a pit beating a tosa with the tosa on its back alot of weight diff so i do not believe that that guys bullmastiff had his pit on the ground in second the pit would grabbed his head and held on a bull mastiff isnt good enough

 

Answer by dogman021
Submitted on 7/20/2004
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ok i saw another idiot i dogo argentino is no good at fighting ill belive that u saw one in a park and it sent a pit home crying when i see it pits dont whimper at all no noise but growling also a dogo is a hog dog for those of u who dont know it is used more for hog hunting  and also chances u saw a dogo were slim it was probly a bigger pit cus dogos are rare and anyone with one would not fight it if they knew about fighting cus it would do no good

 

Answer by ivan
Submitted on 7/21/2004
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I'm just intrested,does anybody of you know how is a english bulldog in a fight,not in pit but on the street because i sow a fight betwen rotty and english bulldog and bulldog broke his leg and he had just a litle blood on his neck.  

 

Answer by cico
Submitted on 7/21/2004
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can anyone tell me some sites on net  about fighting dogs and dog fights

 

Answer by .
Submitted on 7/21/2004
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English bulldogs were bred out of the fighting pit bull,because of their odd looks.they are not as agile,nor have they been pit tested and bred according to winning in the pit.but as you noted they have a hell of a bite! touruykai[www.com] is a Japanese pay per month [9.95]dog fight site with APBT'SAND TOSA'S

 

Answer by macker
Submitted on 7/21/2004
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hey dogman, im in south america now and dogos are used for fighting...i have one that i hunt with not fight..but i have seen them in the pits and they often win. it's about 50-50 when they fight pits or bull t's i recently saw a couple of perros de toro(type of spanish bulldogs)beat anything in the pit.

 

Answer by dogman
Submitted on 7/22/2004
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can anyone tell me how a Akita would do in a dog fight, pit or street? and which is a better fighter Japanese Akita,American Akita or Staffordshire bull terrier?

thanks,
dogman

 

Answer by Swamp_Donkey
Submitted on 8/2/2004
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The APBT, and the Tosa are the most entertaining fighters in the world, because they will fight for long periods. That does not mean a Bullmastiff, or a Neo could not kill one. They are not considered as entertaining.
I had a female Boxer who got in a fight with my roommates APBT; she pinned him very quickly,but that was it(RIP 92-03). BOXERS HAVE ZERO BITE.
I now have a 7.5 month old Bullmastiff. He's already 26" at the shoulder, and weighs 115lbs. We have a rope tied to a branch about 4' from the ground; and he will hang from it, and shake like hell.
The most unpredictable,fearless and vicious dogs out there are those little f'knJack Russels. I'd put money on a 15lb JRT against a 15lb APBT....LOL


 

Answer by blondy
Submitted on 8/3/2004
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in country where i live dog fights were legal until 97.in the begining people used to bring dog breeds like sharplaninac,french mastiffs,dobermans,rottweilers,pit bulls and many mixes.soon they would only came with pit bulls,for those whou think that english mastiff is good fighting breed you are wrong,we pited mastiff aginst amstaf and staff won for 15 min,boxers were pited aginst pit bulls and bull terriers and were defited for 5 min,bullmastif has won a match aginst amstaff,bullmastiff has a great strenght, it's very hard to stop them when they pull,we didn't had tosa or presa canary dog so i dont know witch of these breeds is beter fighter it all depends on blood line.If jou want non fighting dog thet are able to defend them get a german hunt terrier or irish terrier

 

Answer by cico
Submitted on 8/4/2004
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hey macker tell me about dog fights in south america,and whic breeds they use

 

Answer by Big Al
Submitted on 8/6/2004
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a pitt is a fighting machine/ it depends on the dogs gameness there are akitas/ rottys/ and even boxer that can take on a pitt/ but most pitts that fight in rings / are probably injected with steroids// and mistreated/ so they have alot of rage built inside them..There are sick people out there making dog fight a game- that should be ban from society.....

 

Answer by a real dogman
Submitted on 8/6/2004
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If it was legal then we could all put our money where are mouth is and then we would all know that the American Pitt Bull Terrier has proven and will prove to be the real truth.

 

Answer by TailwyndeGen2
Submitted on 8/7/2004
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1. There is a distinction between guard dogs
    a. Dogs meant to attack other dogs
    b. Dogs meant to attack humans

2. Dogs meant to attack other dogs have a quality known as "gameness". A dog is game if it will fight to the death, regardless of circumstance or injury.

3. A bullmastiff does not have the necessary game to compete in pit fighting events. While a very capable fighter and an obvious athletic talent, the smaller more agile, significantly more ruthless pitbull/bandog would  win the dight.

4. Dogs meant to attack humans rely on speed and size. A certain degree of gameness has been bred out of the dog in order to make it more controllable and to keep it from turning the people it is attacking into a pile of slaughtered human effluence.

5. It is almost impossible for a dog to seriously injure a man who is standing. So long as a man is on his feet the dogs primary weapon, his jaws, are not within reach of their primary target (the throat/face).

6. A pitbull can injure a strong healthy person, but it cannot stop one. If I continue to run away the dog can do little more than continue to nip at my heels. If I decide to stand and fight (the smarter thing with a pit since it's faster than you anyways) between my ability to kick/choke/and slam that dog into anything I choose I am going to be rendered an advantage.

A little scenario if you will:

Scenario A

Pitbull charges me. Pitbull jumps and "locks" onto my arm. Pit bull gets "slammed" head first into the nearest wall/tree/sidewalk. My arm is bleeding. The pitbulls skull is cracked. If it doesn't let go II use free hand to choke the dog into sweet unconciousness. When it's life or death - pain is secondary. Score one for mankind.

Pitbull gets up. Pitbull charges again. Pitbull gets soccer kicked back on it's ass 5 feet. Score two for mankind.

Pitbull Charges me. Man uses opposable thumb to pick up the brick on the groun. Man crushes pitbull with brick. Score world dominance for mankind.

Scenario B

Bullmastiff charges me. I brace for impact. I get knocked off balance. Bullmastiff charges again and knocks me down. Bullmastiff mauls me. I die.

Score one for bullmastiff.

Animal control comes. Bullmastiff is shot in the head.

Final Result: Tie

7. The point is that the dogs were bred to do two very different things. If I spend the next 30 years breeding for nothing but gameness in tailwynde stock, which is already some of the most game bullmastiff stock available. I would have bullmastiffs that were ready, willing, and quite capable to demolish any pitbull. But it would take 30 years of breeding for NOTHING but gameness with size, endurance, power, agility etc, all as secondary factors.

A pitbulls gameness renders it too unpredictable and over aggressive for man work, not to mention its dog specific build is innapropriate to attack a man. A bullmatiffs controllability and size renders it perfect for immediate response manwork, but it is too docile and lacks the endurance to fight in the box.

One other side note. Any of you who are actually fighting their dogs should be shot in the face with a nail gun you callouse insensitive bastards.

 

Answer by 0
Submitted on 8/9/2004
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seeing as you all seem to like your fighting dogs anyone seen a Bullenbeiser or a Ballenbeiser in the pit.Would it do well against an apbt,ebt,tosa,akita,bullmastiff etc,etc.

 

Answer by kev kev
Submitted on 8/16/2004
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the boerboel is stronger than a bull mastiff and yes they can beat a leapord 1 on 1 lots of breedres will tell u and show u. i think a real good match would be aginst a tosa and a boerboel bottom line. a presa is a bad ass fighter but for only ten minutes.

 

Answer by brian
Submitted on 8/17/2004
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hey tankthepit get your facts strait not only was the bullmastiff bred to catch poachers it was also bred to quickly dispose of the poachers dog which was usually a pit

 

Answer by whodi2
Submitted on 9/1/2004
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have people forgotten that the staffordshire terrier is the show counter part of the pitbull terrier. the people that dual reg. their "pitbulls" have tarnished the bloodlines of people that lived before us. people in the past have breed the pitbulls for fighting. the pitbull is the gladiator of all dogs. no dog hold a candle to the gameness, pound for pound strength, stamina, and fighting ability  

 

Answer by big dog fighter
Submitted on 9/4/2004
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pitbulls n english staffs rule da ring

 

Answer by Perry
Submitted on 9/4/2004
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Alpha dog, *timber wolf"

 

Answer by The Game
Submitted on 9/12/2004
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Akitas were used in Japan many years ago as the main fighting dog until the Tosa came alone. Staffordshire bull terriers are small but are tough for there size and have a lot of gamesness. I would put my money on the Staffordshire.

 

Answer by kris
Submitted on 9/21/2004
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hey dogman. What a stupid question to ask!!!
If you want to own a dog to raise it to fight, then you should not have the privellage of owning one.  You guys make me sick. Most guys who insist on owning a fighting dog, usually have them to make up for a small package in your pants.

 

Answer by Peteywheatstraw Devil son in law
Submitted on 9/23/2004
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I come from a state where fighting dogs is illegal but its done. I am saying from my experience that an american bulldog in the ring is the "truth" then a APBT.  I have had papered redboy pitts,chinamans(leg dogs, neck dogs, mouth dogs I even had one that would straight go for the nuts) some well I don't know where they began. I had one female that was triple bred off the chinaman bloodline,her sisters would gang up on her and she wouldn't say a word but when she hit 4 months she was all mouth. Akitas are good for a minute but a pit or AB would hold on till the later part of a match. Chows are fericious but like akitas they are going down for the count..they last cuz they are hairy, pits ad AB'sdon't readjust there bites off top and when fighting a hairy dog they lock on to skin. I've only seen one Preso fight and that was against an 143lb AB, the AB had too much pride. Rotts and boxer those are just people biters, dont' roll them, they are too stupid to train, they don't know what they are being trained for its not in their blood.

 

Answer by dknowsdogs
Submitted on 9/23/2004
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FIRST OF ALL TO ALL

1. NO DOG CAN BEAT A LION,BEAR,OR ANY OTHER WILD BIG CAT ECT............(MAYBE A PACK OF DOGS THAT WORKING TOGETHER ALEAST 10 OR MORE

2. GAMEBRED DOGS ARE DANGEROUS AGAINST OTHER DOGS NOT PEOPLE (ANY TRAINED DOG VS A NON TRAIN TO FIGHT HAS A STRONG ADVANTAGE FOR EXAMPLE MIKE TYSON VS ROY JONES IF THE FIGHT GOS MORE THAN 4 ROUNDS ROY JONE HAS A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN TYSONS STRONGER WITH MORE POWER BUT JONES IS QUICKER GET PEOPLE SO IF A REAL TRAINED PITBULL VS ANY TRAINED BIG DOG IF THE FIGHT GOES FOR MORE 15MIN THE PITBULL MORE THAN LIKELY WILL WIN ....

 

Answer by me from england
Submitted on 9/24/2004
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Ive never heard so much rubbish about fighting dogs in my whole life!!!!

Are you all retards or something????

A pit IS the ultimate fighting dog, period.
2nd to that would be an Olde Tyme Stafford or 'Irish Stafford'

3rd a Staffordshire bull

Pits originated from Olde tyme staffords - FACT!!

They are essentially the same dog only slightly bigger.

Both as game as each other.

Tosas are nowhere near as game but ARE aggressive.  Gameness and aggression are 2 different things.

Size and weight doesnt come into it.

A mastiff would stand no chance against a pit or stafford, the person who said its rolled over a pit - well i can only presume they were play fighting and the pit rolled over in play

 

Answer by hiram van rossem (Netherlands)
Submitted on 9/29/2004
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althoug bullmastiffs are stronger than most other dogbreeds (specifically non molossers),they are not fighting dogs because they were developt to be gamekeeper night dogs.
So they lack the talent to be a fighting dog because they were never bred to be one.

 

Answer by bp
Submitted on 10/3/2004
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the bullmastiff is great guard dog and can carry its on in a fight but not a good fightind dog. The only real fighting dogs are pits and tosas.But there are other dogs that can fight for example the standard american bulldog(not the slow johnsons)and the ebt,staffs,dogos,filas,bandoges ,akitas and more.So dont be a idiot and fight your bullmastiff against a game dog.stick with your tosas pits standard american bulldogs.

 

Answer by DOLAS
Submitted on 10/9/2004
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the kangaldog is the best fighting dog i now we let fight kangal to all dogs en the kangal make kill all of the dogs presa,tosa,mastino,pit bull,boerboel,fila,argentino,cane corse,bandog. the kangal wins all of this dog you want see the fightings kangals look at www.kangaldogs.nl

 

Answer by KatO
Submitted on 10/11/2004
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i have two dogs .. One Presa Canario .. and the other is Pitbull ....

what i have witnessed so far .. Pitbull is all hype ... i have the GATOR pitbull ..wieght 95 pound ....

My Presa Canario is undefeated Beast ... he has fought 18 fights ..he is 6 years old now ...

My Pitbull destroyed other pitbull's..but lost 3 three times against Presa Canario's...

what i have noticed .." Point to be Noted " ..Pitbull doesnt have loose skin in them ... Presa Canario and Tosa'sgot lots of loose skin in them ....

My great Neo ( Presa Canario ) which is now 6 years old ..has fought 18 times with other fighting Gator Pit Bulls .. In the fights everyime the Pitbull grabed my Presa all he gets the skin ... Presa Canario got thick coat on them ...When my Presa Grabed Pit always made the big wounds on Pits ...
In Every Fight my Presa Canario has dominated the other Pitbulls ...

Loose Skin is the best advantage that Tosa'sand Presa Canario Got ... this advantage always takes them to Victory ...

There is no comparison between Presa or Tosa'sto Pitt's .... Presa Canario is too strong for pittbulls ... Pitbulls cant hold the grip of Presa because all they always gets is their skin ..

Presa Canario bite is known as 3 times stronger than any other pitbull ... i think we should end the fighting thingy now ..because this is my challenge to anyone who has the pitbull . There is not a single pitt which can handel a good Pure Breed Presa Canario ...

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Answer by Seen it
Submitted on 10/11/2004
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I have seen a dog fight in which Neo was taken down by a bull terrier . No, not a pit bull terrier. A bull terrier .So you Neo owners just stop . I watched it happen , End of story ...
    In Asia, if you are wealthy and have some underground connections , you can see fights between the great fighting breeds.  The best dogs were the American Bulldog . They did not however have that fight to he death kind of mentality like a well bred Pit bull does. They have had fights with the two breeds including a Tosa'sthe results were Bull Dog took both down but lost some interest and did not kill either Dog . The Tosa and Pit bull ended with owners thinking both Dogs(huge money) were to be killed stopped the fight . I can not tell you the history of the dogs , but ,there was more money there then the the underground junk here....There was a large range of dogs . None were like the 3 i mentioned most were APBT.

 

Answer by Animal  Lover
Submitted on 10/13/2004
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What is wrong with you people, how can you make innocent animals suffer. I work at an animal shelter where hundreds of your pit dogs and mastiffs are taken in and euthanised because of this sport of dog fighting. No animal is ment to be torn apart slowley limb by limb i dont care what its breed or how much "gameness" it posses. Those who enjoy acts of violence twards other creatures are seriousley mentially ill and should be jailed. This type of enjoyment of abuse is also present in murders of our own species. How any of you could condone this practise, how any of you could even inquire about which breed to fight, or watch a fight with out speeking out makes you all cowards, hiding behind a power you will never posses, shoving a dog infront of you as your bullet proof vests to fight your street wars, and make your money. None of you are real men, you are all cowards, little people with the "big man syndrom" overcompensating for your own lack of "gameness". I pitty you. Your mothers must have been a real piece of work. Watch out i might be at your nxt fight and so will the police.

 

Answer by Rob
Submitted on 10/13/2004
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Just a couple things I have to say... First, I have been riveted to my chair in front of my PC for about 4 hours.  Yep, read every frikin' one of these posts, and I don't think I have ever been so engrossed or as fascinated with a discussion on a subject I knew very little about.  On the fighting, legal or not, most of the people here passionately know what they're talking about -  HUGELY!! On the wonderful Bullmastiff, "DJ" summed it up perfectly!!  I laughed so hard I almost yakked...  And I know, our "Hannah", who passed away in my arms three days ago, is laughing her butt off too...  Thank you DJ.  

 

Answer by amstaff
Submitted on 10/15/2004
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I have a "Pit Bull" she is really a 65lb Lap Dog who just want'sto be pet.

 

Answer by bullenbeizers
Submitted on 10/17/2004
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Why do you guys want to know who would win in fights anyways? It is cruel and illegal now. So even if you did know, what is going to do?

 

Answer by alaska
Submitted on 10/25/2004
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The Akita is not a great fighting dog, however it will beat your average lab, german shepard or etc. The Tosa Inu made the Akita irrelevant after its creation. The greatest fighting dog of all time is the pit bull terrier with a spot weight of around 55 pounds.  In a long pit match it will almost always win.  Not that i haven't heard of or seen painter lines game american bulldogs completely disable an american pit bull terrier within five minutes by breaking its legs or something...but most of the time the fight will go to the pit bull terrier.

 

Answer by scotty 021 blades
Submitted on 10/27/2004
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whoever said that a pit can't be good at 30 or 40 pounds in the pit are very wrong if you read back on dog fighting those are around the perfect weight for a game bred pit .  I cant understand why people actually fight dogs its very cruel these animals are most of the time bought as loving pets and should stay that way!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you

 

Answer by biggins
Submitted on 10/31/2004
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i have a wolf german sheperd pitbull and mastiff they are not fighting dogs but when they do fight the sheperd always wins the fight. Not even a scratch on him hes beating rotts, pitts, chows bout every dog there is, no he is not a fighting dog hes very loyal to me hes just trying to protect me.

 

Answer by biggins
Submitted on 10/31/2004
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dog man yes akitas are veryyy powerful i had one that could pull a chevy 4x4 up a hill it took on 3 dogs at once pitbull chow and a husky and walked off victorious whenever i walked him i had to call boon county sheriffs apartment so  the could surround my apartment plex Japanese akitas are biggest mine weighed 192 pounds finally the put him down it was terribale.

 

Answer by DOG FAN
Submitted on 11/10/2004
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Read the "The World of Fighting Dogs" by Carl Semencic.  It has all the information you need about fighting breeds.  It covers the Bull Mastiff as well.  Semencic says that the Bull Mastiff truly is not a fighting dog, but a protection dog for man stopping.  This book will answer all of your questions.  I believe some of the previous posters may have read based on their posts.  This will give you a break down of all current and former fighting breeds, how they were created, what they were used for in the past and what they are currently used for.  READ IT, best book out there on the subject.

 

Answer by redblood
Submitted on 11/24/2004
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oh well jappanese say the tosa is a killer........., the americans say the  pit bull terrier is a born killer ........, well the england create a GLADIATOR DOG called bull terrier, well i think nothing ,all these three dogs  weight different= 1 to 150 to 200lb thats a lot the 2 to 60 to 140 lb the 3 to 70 to 80 lb, each dog got strength power, & they way of fight for these dogs are the best ones in the planet as the fighters ,  WELL  filas , bullmastifs, neos , rotties  akitas are good to & sorry if i let any other 1 but hey these are for protecting houses farms alerting u ,thats why are big really big  they can handle a fight dog to dog  but they are not fighters thas what i think  well most welcome other ideas

 

Answer by ricky
Submitted on 11/27/2004
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You talk about bullmastiffs beeing fighting dogs or not and how pitbulls have "game".well i breed rottweillers and 1 of my males was attacked by 2 staffordshire terriers and my dog killed one while the fight was going on an later on the other had 2 b put down because of its injuries rottweillers maybe do not have"game" but i believe r a match for any dog.i dont understand y these dogs do not get a mention about beeing tough dogs

 

Answer by sparkle
Submitted on 12/1/2004
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no dog has the unluckyness to be a fighting dog. and is also against the law to breed and fight them.

 

Answer by Mel1216
Submitted on 12/2/2004
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You people who pit dogs against each other for the pleasure and potential profit of watching one dog KILL another are sub-human pieces of garbage.  What forces create you people?  Why don't you all just get into the "pit," two by two, and fight each other to the death for sport and profit?  At least you would have a choice, unlike the dogs you send in to be killed.  I'm confident that very few of you would actually do it.  You'd rather sit back like the cowards I bet you are, and watch your dogs kill each other to prove your machismo.  Does it make you feel like real MEN watching your beloved dog kill another?  Do you feel real tough guys?  I'll bet you all do.  You people are truly disgusting.

 

Answer by pit bull lover
Submitted on 12/7/2004
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i don't like pit bull fighting or any kind of fighting what is the use of fighting a pit bull watching it die and winning or losing money if people look and see that a animal will fight for a breed and let its jeans live for a another century but see in pit bull fighting thats not what its for it is to stay alive and then breed but if the dog runs from a fight it cant go some where else and clean its wounds like other animals do after they get done fighting, No the master has to kill the pit bull because he lost him master money.
                   am i not right or what i mean pit bull fighting or other fighting is just a all mans greedy for money or just for a sport that isn't really a sport and i think we need to quit this stuff and show other people that pit bulls are not used for that and i know for a fact because i read history on that and they were used for hunting boars and big game not for fighting game.

 

Answer by Louise
Submitted on 12/10/2004
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Any dog who has been brought up by cruel owners or has been mistreated is savage. In my opinion, it is us who is savage and not the dog.

 

Answer by bud302
Submitted on 12/14/2004
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I was wanting to know how to make a rottweiler a aggresive guard dog or fighting dog??

 

Answer by delce
Submitted on 12/27/2004
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I HAVE DOGOS, PITS ABD BOXER . THE DOGOS KILLS ANY PITS IN 2 MINUTES . THE GUYS THAT ARE GRABBING ABOUT PITS BEING THE BEST , DO NOT KNOW DOGS THAT FIGHTS . GUESS THEY´VE SEEN MIXED DOGOS AND NOT REAL DOGOS . I CAN SAY THAT WITH CERTAINTY BECAUSE I BREED BOTH OF THEM , AND SEEN MANY FIGHTS BETWEEN THESE BREEDS . PITBOY , YOU´D BETTER KNOW  THE BREED AND STUDY AND TRY THEM BEFORE TALKING .

 

Answer by marcus_london
Submitted on 12/28/2004
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I have only ever seen an AMPBT in a dog fight once and it destroyed a bullmastiff. But in england, the best fighting dog would have too be the english bullterrier when properly trained. these things fight like a tornado, i'venever seen onelose a fight. i myself own a 14 month old rottweiler, who already weighs 126lbs and is still growing. im the first to admit rotti'saint pit dogs, but on the street mine has already torn apart a fully grown boxer, a german shepard and a got the better of a staffordshire bull terrier.

 

Answer by you all suck!
Submitted on 1/1/2005
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I know most of yall are just talk but even talking about dog fighting is awful. I think who ever fights dogs are just a bunch of low lives, scum, no better than the dirt on the bottom of my shoe. It is disgusting that you guys cant find anything to do other than putting dogs in a ring and watch them kill each other. How would u like it if someone took you and starved you and then stuck you in a ring with someone else and made you fight until the death. You guys are a bunch of losers. Are world would be better with out you.

 

Answer by Curious
Submitted on 1/6/2005
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I've read all these post...it seems obvious that the Pitt Bull and Tosa are the ones to beat. But I'm very curious about this Russian dog Ovtcharka. From what I can tell it may have a chance. I know I know its not game enough...but is that really true? I think the ones in the states are not the real beast that you would find over there. Killers we know nothing of. It will not happen but it would be really interesting to take top pitts there to face the top Ovtcharka on their own turf...I think from an educated observation they are the only ons who stand a chance.

 

Answer by shaun presa
Submitted on 1/6/2005
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presa canarios are most likly the best fighting dogs ever. strong enough to throw a tosa,and break a pit in two. I breed them no contest anywhere.135 pounds and can jump in a sitting position up to 5 feet or more.the best

 

Answer by countryhardstuff
Submitted on 1/20/2005
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What kind of argument between people, when one doesn't even know how to spell "don't"  I mean come on "doen't"!  Don't worry about it.  You want to see how tough something is test yourself against another man and enjoy your pet.  He shouldn't be forced to represent your manhood.  Stand up punk and stop hiding behind your dog.

 

Answer by Mecars Abit Rustee
Submitted on 1/28/2005
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I have a bullmastiff and he is the best dog fighter in the world. My dad could also whip you dad and my muscles are bigger than yours.

Much of the writing above is just plain nonsense. If you want to know more about a particular breed do your research with books. In relation to pit bulls for example check out Richard F Strattons books. In relation to Bullmastiffs for example check out Alan and Mave Rostrom's books or similar.

Chow Now
Mecars - Dog love extraordinaire

 

Answer by jay z dd
Submitted on 2/1/2005
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a bullmastif can not fight a pittbull can beat them a boxer even.they suck and i dont like them.

 

Answer by dogsarecuteandfuzzy
Submitted on 2/4/2005
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wahho dogs are nice and pretty and we cant ban against them

 

Answer by pitbull
Submitted on 2/8/2005
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bullmastiff have 1800s fighting bulldog blood this dog can takedown bulls at its peak level of fitness.
They also have 1800s mastiff blood which also has been watered down to a gentle dog like the modern bulldog and both are now just pets.
the bullmastiff however has the fighting genes of both and can be used for work unlike its ancestors

 

Answer by staff
Submitted on 2/9/2005
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i choose staff, akitas are pretty good and strong but staffs are strong have a killer bite more courageous and agile. i pick a staff

 

Answer by pits400
Submitted on 2/11/2005
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first of all there is no dog pound for pound that even comes close to a pitbull terrier. i have a 65lbspit at is the gentlist dog u will ever meet but when anopther dog tries to attack it all over for that dog.my dog was in the front yard on a leash and the neighbors rotti got out if my neighbor didnt come out his dog was going to by lunch my dog had its throat. but my dog is very obedient and let go.

 

Answer by curious about macho dogs
Submitted on 2/12/2005
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Really enjoyed the differing views on this thread regarding badazz dogs.

I used to own two 120lb Bulmastiffs for several years. The male was 60% mastiff/40% buldog...the female was shorter and stockier/muscled up, and was 60% Bulldog/40% Mastiff.

The female was the most friendly towards people, but the most aggressive towards dogs.
When the two of them would play or argue, the female would dominate the larger male. She never showed fear of dog or man, or strange things or noises.
One day I saw them running and playing aggressively. The female, on a dead run, reached over and gabbed the larger male under the neck and threw him immediately on the ground, and was on him in an instant. When they became angry at each other, she would come out victorious, in spite of the males greater size and his huge fangs, and longer snout/bite.

This female was built like a Sherman tank...solid muscle. You would think she was a male, if you saw her. Very aggressive and quick as lightning. I took her as a puppy from a woman who didn't want her anymore.

The red male I had turned on me when he became mature at 2 years old. I had no choice after that except to shoot him.
Got depressed about having to shoot my male which I had raised from a pup, so I decided to take the female back to the original breeder. The breeder freaked out when she saw how developed the dog had turned out to be, and gave me $800 for her.

Interesting story from the breeder:
Any Bullmastiff that proves to be too sharp or aggressive, is automatically put down, to prevent his aggression from transferring down through his genes. She said there had been many throughout the years, that have systematically been eliminated from the breed, to please the AKC and to promote the breed as acceptable to the buying and showing public. She said they(the sharp aggressive dogs) were a throw back to the olden days when they were absolutely ferocious towards people and other dogs, and that this dog was a descendant of the ferocious bandogge of old. Gameness was not a consideration, because the ferocious Bullmastiff/bandogge of old would destroy it's opponent in matter of minutes, if that.

I said all that to suggest this:
For several years, Pitbull owners have gone out of their way to breed only towards the bravest and most awesome fighters in their breed. They have done an awesome job in that, and have proven their determination to create the N0. One dog fighter, lb for lb.
On the other hand, the Bullmastiff breeders, who have decided to promote their breed as a great dog to own, to the buying and showing public, and to protect the breed from operating only in the shadows of dogfighting, have gone out of their way to eliminate any overly aggressive dogs from their ranks to please th AKC.

O.k....well, obviously, with one breed eliminating every aggressive dog that might have half a chance of becoming an absolute ferocious monster killer, and one breed eliminating only non-aggressive, the obvious outcome is only too clear.
When I want to think of the Bullmastiff'sability in the dogfighting arena, all I have to do is think of the bandogge of old who was no doubt used in that way many times, and I know he would hold his own with the best of them. Today?...well...duh!...there are no more super ferocious Bullmastiffs, just the hulking mass of muscles with huge fangs designed for killing, that have had their original ferocity and tenacity bred out of them for years and years.
So my point is that to say an APBT would beat a modern day Bullmastiff, isn't really saying anything at all...but, out the Pitt in the ring with the ORIGINAL Bullmastiff/bandogge of olde, before all of his tenacity and fierceness was bred out of him, and you will see a fight to the death...of the smaller dog(since they're actually related from ancient times, and the Bullmastiff'smissing gene was present.

Don't know if my female was a throw back to the days of old or what, but I feel that, in spite of all the breeding to the contrary in this awesome breed of dog, she would have given quite a showing of herself, I promise.
Maybe she was a freak, but she was an awesome dog, possessing many skills and much athletic ability...and had absolutely no fear of any living thing!

Interesting story:
This same breeder took me back to her kennel to show me a 110lb male brindle Bullmastiff that was going to be put down, due to his aggression(in this case toward a human).
She said the dog had too much bulldog in him,
and had latched on to a man's leg who had entered his pen to feed him, and would not let go for hours. Finally, someone went to get a pry bar(like used with pits), and still couldn't get him to let go. So they finally used the bar and a water hose, held to the dog's nostrils at full force...then he finally let go. Now they're going to have him killed I guess. The guy this happened to had to have I don't know how many stitches!

 

Answer by Carla
Submitted on 2/14/2005
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If you want the REAL story on tosa-inu go here  http://www.megasthenes.demon.nl/home.html

 

Answer by strong glad 48
Submitted on 2/17/2005
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does anyone no if bullmastiffs will protect you because im 13 and theres this bully who bothers me and hits me around if i treat the dog nice and earn its trust?

SG.

 

Answer by DONNIE
Submitted on 2/18/2005
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I HAVE TWO BULLMASTIFFS. THESE DOGS ARE NOT FIGHTING DOGS.THESE DOGS ARE VERY LOYAL TO THE FAMILY AND THE HOME.I HAVE ONE BULLMASTIFF THAT HAS FOUGHT WITH ANOTHER DOG.SHE PUT A GERMAN SHEPARD ON THE GROUND WITHIN JUST SECONDS.THE REASON FOR THIS BEHAVIOR WAS JUST.MY TWO YEAR OLD SON WAS FEEDING HER AND THE NEIGHBORS GERMAN SHEPARD CRACKERS AND EVERYTHING WAS FINE UNTIL THE GERMAN SHEPARD GOT IMPATIENT AND DECIDED HE WOULD GET HIS OWN CRACKER.IT JUMPED FORWARD AT MY SON BITING HIM ON THE FINGER BRINGING BLOOD. MY BULLMASTIFF WAS ONLY DOING WHAT SHE WAS BRED TO DO.PROTECT.THE FIGHT ONLY LASTED SECONDS AND SHE LET NO WOUNDS ON THE GERMAN SHEPARD.

 

Answer by johnny boy
Submitted on 2/18/2005
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i would say a american akita i have owned one for a very long time and anyways there is not that big of a difference between a japanese and american akita except there apperarence and the size of their heads.

 

Answer by Damious
Submitted on 2/22/2005
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I can guarantee that none of you know what the hell you are talking about, I've owned plenty of the best, or should I say a lot of championship dogs. They were all trained the same way therefore their reactions in the pit were the same, but I stopped fighting dogs many years ago now I show people how to get the best out of any dog.....you name the dog and I bet he or she was one of the breeds of champions that I created, Cane Corso, Presa Canario, ASPBT, PBT, Caucasian Mountain...etc

 

Answer by Damious
Submitted on 2/22/2005
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Dogman, there is no difference between the Japanese and the American Akita, they are both quick, agile, and have a pretty good tolerance for pain, but overall the Staffordshire Bull Terrier still dominates on power, speed, ability and a higher rate of pain tolerance. This matters a lot in street and pit fights.

No Problem,
Damious

 

Answer by Damious
Submitted on 2/22/2005
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Dogman,
Another Dog you might want to consider very good in the pit and street is the Alapha Blue Blood Bulldogs, boy I'll tell those are some mighty quick and blood thirsty dogs, but on the real, this dog is one of the cross breed natural born fighters.

 

Answer by b dogg
Submitted on 2/23/2005
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the American Pit bull terrier is the worlds best fighting dog.Hands down.

 

Answer by danny from liverpool
Submitted on 2/26/2005
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I own a presa canario and pitxgreyhound which i use for hunting although people think presa are of the mastiff family are wrong and if anyting the mastiff that has been bred into it takes out the agressiveness ,as does the greyhound(which was bred into the breed by the spaniards, as well as the bulldog, the presa was wild and wolf like until becoming extinct, and now we have made our own breed and called it what we would like it to be. P.S my pitxgreyhound is the best seizing dog ever seen and will not release once clamped - no matter what - and there is no surrender!!!    KEEP ON HUNTING

 

Answer by dogo
Submitted on 2/26/2005
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I think dogo's could take a Tosa and a pit with no prob. thats my opinion tho

 

Answer by DOLAS
Submitted on 2/27/2005
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THE KANGALDOG Not the Anatolian sheperd KANGAL www.kangaldogs.nl We are open for all breeds let start the Game.
tosa Ore pit bull ore ,Jack russel terier, and i have good maches on DVD Kangal VS pit bull And tosa and presa and more you wold see send me mail on www.kangaldogs.nl and dan you dont make problem wat is the god fighter ok ADIOS.sorry for my English  i am From Turky .

 

Answer by shapman
Submitted on 3/5/2005
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hey all you cruel bastards get a life! you are all going straight to hell!!

 

Answer by SillyPeople
Submitted on 3/9/2005
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Pitbulls are the ultimate fighting dogs end of story.  Gameness is the will to never quit.  Pitbulls are the only dogs to date bred for this trait.   Anything else is less civilized.   LOL

 

Answer by ovidiu
Submitted on 3/12/2005
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bullmastifs

 

Answer by COUSIN PETE
Submitted on 3/18/2005
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This is in response to all the people who keep saying people teach pitbulls to fight. You can not train a pitbull to fight they either have it or they don't. When you see a pit on a treadmill or hanging from a tire or what ever the case may be this is not training a dog to fight these are ways of strengthen or condition the dog to do whatever. Most dogs that are matched do not fight to the death and any dogman with half a brain does not want to waste hours and hours of work time and money just to see his or her dog dead they would just rather stop the match and live to do it another day.

 

Answer by The Dogfather
Submitted on 3/31/2005
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yo dogman, the staff and akita would be close in a pit fight, in the street akita would kill a staff and most other things it hunts down, an akita has naturally high hunting instincts and is one of the most dangerous dogs in an everyday life situation, when i say akita i mean japanese akita, the american breed is fatter less muscular and is weaker.

 

Answer by big bird
Submitted on 4/15/2005
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hell. no because bullmastiff sucks at fight ing and it dosn'tknow how to fight even though there big and strong they still suck


 

Answer by papa joe
Submitted on 4/18/2005
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look I have 4 bullmastiffs and 3 pitbulls. All of my dogs are nice to people. they may bark at them but they know not to bit them.  but you ask if they can fight hell yes.Every buddy thinks my pits will kill my bullmastiffs but when they get in to it my bullmastiffs whips the pit ass. so yes they can fight

 

Answer by franco
Submitted on 4/18/2005
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First of all sorry in advance for my English, I'm writing from Italy and yours is not my mother language. Bull mastiff is not a fighting dog; their temper is similar to mastiff even if the b.m. is much more agile
and active. I have a mastiff male, his weight is around 240 lbs and at the moment
he's not fat all all; only muscles.
He would never fight with another dog or he wouldn't react immediately to an attack so
for sure he would loose. He thinks fighting
is stupid and I agree with him. But just give him an important reason to fight!
For ex. in order to protect my wife or, I
imagine, in case he should meet again a dog that
already attack him in the past. Well, I am
quite sure he would destroy any dog. Despite
his enormous strength it is really a pleasure for me to look at my gentle giant
playing with other dogs. He makes me happy
and this is one of our purpose in life.
In my opinion dogs must be like this.

 

Answer by common sense, what you're lacking
Submitted on 4/18/2005
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The sheer stupidity being shown on this forum amazes me. How about you actually learn to spell before you post? Obviously you don't realize that by not being able to spell, or spend the time to actually type a word (the 3 extra letters really kills you, doesn't it?!) you are weakening your argument. Did you not notice the spell check that this forum has so nicely provided for you? Too lazy to check it off, or just think you look so much cooler when you don't know how to spell? Maybe you should work on getting at least a high school education before you try to inform anybody else about ANYTHING. It's not hard to use correct grammar. However, if you were one of the few people who actually don't sound like an inbred fool, this was clearly not directed towards you.

The rest of you, grow up.

 

Answer by CAPONEISABADASSPIT
Submitted on 4/28/2005
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PIT BULLS BY FAR ARE THE BEST COMPANION, FIGHTER, OR GUARD DOG YOU COULD POSSIBLY ASK FOR. I HAVE HAD MY PIT FOR 2 YEARS, HE HAS STOOD BY ME WHEN 2 ROTTS WAS TRYING TO ATTACK ME. HE KILLED ONE AND THE OTHER RAN AWAY BLEEDING OUT OF HIS HEAD. SO OUT NUMBERED OR NOT THEY ARE THE TOUGHEST DOG POUND FOR POUND. SIGNED ROY JONES AKA TBIZZLE

 

Answer by dog boy69
Submitted on 5/4/2005
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dogman ,the staffy would win ,the akita was a fighting dog along time ago ,before the tosa breed had mastiff ,great dane,bullterrier and a few other breeds breed into it ,at that point the tosa became alot bigger then the akita and dog fighters in japan moved away from the akita and focused more on the tosa .pound for pound the apbt and the staffy are on a whole better fighters than other dogs ,but every now and then you can got a dog from any breed that will be game and fight , and it work the other way as well, not all fighting breed are aggro.the best place to look 4 info on fighting dogs is in  the book [the world of fighting dogs]by carl seminic,the book is old, but u get a desent history on alot of breeds of dogs  

 

Answer by bfdaf
Submitted on 5/5/2005
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gu

 

Answer by flid
Submitted on 5/6/2005
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you all are sad

 

Answer by opm
Submitted on 6/3/2005
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I have a 110 lb American bulldog trained to hunt and catch wild hogs with razor sharp tusks that are hundreds of pounds. First he has to chase the hog down then corner it then hold on to it till I get there to finish it off. he has taken hundreds of stitches just to close 1 gash I would like to see any of your breeds take on an angry hog and not give up.

 

Answer by anthony
Submitted on 6/10/2005
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any dog can be a fighting dog ther is always an exeoption to the rule,some staffs make great sheep dogs.some bullmastiffs are capable and willing to fight

 

Answer by tigercats12
Submitted on 6/11/2005
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well, i see there are still a bunch of posers and wanna be's here.. that is obvious by the BS info being spread around here..  first, no a bullmastiff is not a fighting dog, yet they can fight as anydog can.. though they are not the dog for a match.. second to the idiots that said things like i have a pit/bandog mix and bandogs are presas.. LOL a ban dog is nothing more than a pit neo mix.. that is it.. some people have crossed other mastiffs with pits but a true "bandog" is simply a neo/pit mix..

also a hyena is NOT a canine, in any way shape or form.. they are not even related to dogs..  geez

dogo's are fighting dogs, BUT they are also hunting dogs.. they were never bred to fight other dogs but they have dogo cougar match ups in argentina even today.

the best pound for pound fighting breeds are  game bred APBT, game bred staffybulls, lighter game bred tosas, and true boerboels..

any of these breeds could beat any 0of these breeds on any given day.. sorry to burst your bubbles but there is NO unbeatable breed out there..

also if you have a 200lb + fila you have a fat unhealthy dog..

and to the APBT idiots here.. a TRUE pit should NOT wiegh over 65-70lbs.. best wieght would be around 35-55lbs..  ken buzzell started this giant pit craze.. if you own a 100+lb pit you have a genetic freak or there is ambull hidden somewhere in its lines.. sorry facts are facts.. anyone that believes different needs to do some research.

 

Answer by Real Fighting Dogs
Submitted on 6/16/2005
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The true fighting Caucasian Ovcharka or the Middle Asian Ovcharka will EAT any dog alive, or for that matter a T-Rex. This includes the American Pit (Pretty) Bull Terrier, any of the terriers, Tosa, Canario, Fila and etc etc etc. As fighters, the Bullmastiff,American Bulldog, Rottweiler, Douge de Bordeaux and the rest of them are "girlie fighting dog wannabees".

 

Answer by Real Fighting Dogs
Submitted on 6/16/2005
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The true fighting Caucasian Ovcharka or the Middle Asian Ovcharka will EAT any dog alive, or for that matter a T-Rex. This includes the American Pit (Pretty) Bull Terrier, any of the terriers, Tosa, Canario, Fila and etc etc etc. As fighters, the Bullmastiff,American Bulldog, Rottweiler, Douge de Bordeaux and the rest of them are "girlie fighting dog wannabees".

 

Answer by dog lover
Submitted on 6/16/2005
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no i don't think Bullmastiffs are fighting dogs i have a Bullmastiff and she is really nice when people come over she might bark at them but then go up to them and sniff them and then bring the toy to them but when dogs come to her she acts like they aren't there but when they start playing or biting her she will think they are playing and she plays with them but she plays really ruff she might roll them over but she is the best dog i ever had she loves me so much she loves me the most of anyone she will follow me anywhere i love her

 

Answer by polo
Submitted on 6/18/2005
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bull mastiffs is a fight dog when there is a fight happenin. i got one and the pit came barking at it but it dont self defence but they are loving dogs dogman said which is stronger every dog has a strength in its way

 

Answer by polo
Submitted on 6/18/2005
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bull mastiffs is a fight dog when there is a fight happenin. i got one and the pit came barking at it but it dont self defence but they are loving dogs dogman said which is stronger every dog has a strength in its way

 

Answer by lewi
Submitted on 6/28/2005
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akita wud KIK ARSE !!!!!!!!!

 

Answer by A REAL DOG MAN
Submitted on 7/7/2005
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YOU ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF FAGS IN THE PARK.IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL OF U HAVE PET BULLS,IF U EVER HAD A REAL PIT BULL U WOULD KNOW IT IS DONE BY SIZE(WITH IN A POUND ).SOME OF THE DOGS U ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT SET UP AS I WILL SAY ,TO EVEN FIGHT.BOXER  ,IN A REAL FIGHT ITS BIG ASS LIPS GET HUNG UP IN ITS TEETH.THEN IS NO LONGER ABLE TO BITE ,WITH OUT HURTING HIS SELF.WILL WIN SOME IF HE FIGHTS A SMALL FUZY DOG ,AND I DO MEAN SOME. AND A ROTTWEILER ,AND I AM NOT GOING TO SAY CALL IT A ROTTY THAT IS SOME OF THAT PARK TALK,IT HAS A HARD BITE BUT A SMALL MOUTH, AND THICK COAT OF HAIR,AND IS NOT GAME.THIS IS ABOUT IS A BULLMASTIFF A FIGHTING DOG ? NO . IS NOT GAME ,HAS THE BIG LIPS ALSO.NOT TO SAY SOME WILL NOT HAVE THERE DAY,A FEW VERY FEW.NOW POUND FOR POUND A PIT NOT PET A PIT BULL DOG IS THE BEST.NOW U CAN GO OUT AND GET THESE BIG ASS DOGS U ALL TALK ABOUT TO FIND OUT THE ONE BADEST ASS DOG  IN THE WORLD. THAT IS NOT A SPORT.THAT IS LIKE A BOUNCER IN THE CLUB.ONE DAY IT JUST MIGHT NOT BE HIS DAY.         A REAL DOG MAN                                      

 

Answer by claire20055
Submitted on 7/16/2005
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i dont think bullmastives are fighting dogs, my mate has one nad she is frightend of her own shadow lol. i have a staffie he is called lenny, he great with people, but with other dogs well thats a different matter, he would kill another dog and i have no doubt in my mind about that, and although it breaks my heart when we go out he alwys is on the lead and waers a mussle, but he is a hardcore dog and there is no way i would take the risk and his speed and mussle pwer is emence, and i love my dog and it would devistate me if he attacked again as he would have to be distroyed.

 

Answer by dini
Submitted on 7/19/2005
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pitbull or an doberman are the best dogs for me !!! they have the power to protect !! and they can be a great familiy dog

 

Answer by Blah
Submitted on 7/26/2005
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Why do all the people who write on this page seem slightly retarded?

 

Answer by tom
Submitted on 8/1/2005
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LOOK the hardest, biggest, toughest, vicous dog in the world is a PYRANISE MOUNTAIN HOUND.  these dogs were and still are bred and used for killing bears.  END OF

 

Answer by BigW  in AUSTRALIA
Submitted on 8/3/2005
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No!No!NO! Bullmastiff dogs are not bread to be fighting dogs they are True Protectors!
Weather it is protecting its family or home it will do what it must do to detere whatever it is that threatens.This is why they were used as war dogs in history as they would fight to protect their master whom was in the war.They were never bread as a weapon.The same can be said for protecting gaming properties in England.Do you think for one minute a game keeper would have a dog who's nature was to kill.
It wouldn't be very smart would it.Anyone whom would put two dogs in a ring are the weakest type of humans on the planet.And if they where not well why not hop in the ring yourselves.Or perhapse im right! they are the weakst breed!

 

Answer by Ry
Submitted on 8/8/2005
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To the last question. A staffordshire bull terrier is a better fighting dog than the akita. And to end the argument, it has nothing to do with size and weight of the fighting dog. It's all technique . the bull terrier breed, be it staffordshire, pit, american bull whatever. these are the breed that fight. they win by going straight for the throat. they each have a muscle under the jaw the size of a human fist, that locks around the throat of opponent. there they can pierce the main artery, or often completely tear the throat open. the tosa, or all the other breeds mentioned cannot do this. only the mentioned bull terrier breeds. a rottweiler has the locking muscle. but not being a terrier has little game or endurance. discussion over. if anyone disagrees, i can always show you in person. oh and the only fights that last a large amount of time are poorly bred fighters. a well trained bull will go straight for the throat and end it in seconds. yes u can train other breeds to fight. but they will not beat a dog that is bread for fighting. no matter how bigger they are than the bull, or how much more they weigh. as soon as that jaw locks. its all over.

 

Answer by Ry
Submitted on 8/8/2005
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Seems to me reading above that a lot of people post here, with very little knowledge of what they are talking about. I have read some stuff above that is completely incorrect. Firstly on the tosa Inu. Dog fighting is as illegal in Japan as it is in europe and north america. In japan the Tosa is a good fighting dog. However they are the pure bred Tosa. The ones bred in North America and elsewhere are not the pure bred Tosa. The westernised breed was crossed with larger breeds such as St bernard to increase it's size. But doing so took a lot away from the pure breed Tosa. The best fighting Tosa's are the pure breed which are much smaller than the western breed, more capable fighters. And lastly, I have seen many Tosa fight. Even the pure breed in Japan. I have never seen one beat the Pit, or staffordshire bull. Again it is not trained to lock the throat as a Pit and staff are. and therfore the technique is not as good. And I haven't read this in a book like most of you. I have seen so with my own eyes. Also I have had the pleasure of being involved with breeding such animals. Albeit i do not enter them for fighting. Or involve myself in the sport. I have known many who do, that is up to them. But please don't post if you do not know what you are talking about! The pit bull and staffordshire are terriers. Terriers are very game and never give up ! If you are gonna fight dogs, you have to enter a terrier, otherwise they are not capable enough of holding their own in the ring. No other breed is more effective than the pit and staffy. Again it has nothing to do with a dogs size or weight. It's about technique. The pit and staffy having a locking jaw are trained to go straight for the throat. An exceptonally trained example will use the technique well and end the fight as quickly as possible. I have seen a good friends dog fight. A dozen times against an Inu. Three occasions a pure bred. The pit is yet to lose. Again i do not breed or endorse dogs for the fighting ring. They are companions and guardians. Just thought some people might want to read something accurate for a change.

 

Answer by tankthepit
Submitted on 8/10/2005
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Akitas are good fighters. As far as I know Japanese and American Akitas are the same thing nowadays. They originated in Japan though so I assume the best of the breed are still there. A staffordshire bull terrier is basically just a small pit bull. Most of the time they would beat an akita.

 

Answer by rich
Submitted on 8/13/2005
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i have an staffordshire bullterrier and it is a very very powerful dog it has the determination and courage to protect and to fight anyone or anything, she also got attacked by a roweiler couple of weeks back and she managed to get the rotty on its back and make his neck bleed so when you talk about the american pitbull, bullmastifs, tosa'and other dogs bein good fighting dogs the staffordshire bullterrier is an extremly powerful and also can be a vicious dog if provoked and i think a good fighting dog

 

Answer by INCA
Submitted on 8/27/2005
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i work as  Veterinary Surgeon and so have the most extensive knowledge on 'fighting' dogs on this forum. Lets be clear here. ANY large breed dog can be made to be aggressive. Naturally temperament plays a part as does size, but over all, the bigger the jaw, the stronger the teeth and thicker the neck will be the more dominant dog.  In my experience Staff Bull Terriers are ok, but next to a Mastiff they pale into insignificance. Cross any type of Mastiff with a Pit Bull and you will get the most ferocious dog imaginable. I have tow Neapolitan Mastiff Cross APBT and even though I was given them as pets, already they have had sufficient fights to incur stitches, staples and surgery.  My advice: DONT mess with nature and DONT get any kind of dog known for having a bad temperament. It will only end in tears....probably yours. Regards Lisa

 

Answer by Charms
Submitted on 8/29/2005
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yes they most definitely are fighting dogs. they have a killing instinct waiting to be tickled. my poor innocent beagle was charged at and attacked last night. they ripped him stomach to shreds and his intestines are in pieces on the grass. luckily the stupid dog, after circling my dad and brother with my dog lying on the driveway wandered onto the road and got smashed into by a car. theres a reason why these dogs are supposed to be illegal, and i cant wait until these two dogs are put down. dont try to defend them.

 

Answer by Stop Dog Fights
Submitted on 8/29/2005
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Bull Mastiffs are most definatly not a fighting dog, they are much to large and to slow to compete with Pitts.  They were pread to be used to protect the humans involved in bull fighting, as well at to catch poachers.  I also agree that any dog can be bread to be a fighter, and some dogs if given the proper insentive can become quite agressive fighters willing to die to win the fight.  I was attacked by an 85 lbs pitt when i was about 14, and my 55 lbs pure bread lab got between me and the pit, and proceeded to beat, and bite the pitt to death.  This just goes to show that the dogs size does not matter, it is how threatend they feel.

But bull mastiffs are not bread as fighters, and do not have the speed agility, or stamina to be a fighter.

 

Answer by alex
Submitted on 9/3/2005
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my tosa would rape any game bred pit and would destroy any bullmastiff in 1 second i live by  a park with tons of wetbacks and they all have pits and they get raped like little 60 pound dogs that cant compete tosa and american pits are the strongest dogs NO DOGO ...OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF DOG CAN COMPETE AT ALL  EVER!

 

Answer by im pretti sure
Submitted on 9/6/2005
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i have a bullmastif and hes is such a gentle giant .. i mean im sure if u trained yur dog to be aggressive thats the kind of dog yur gunna get. My puppy is 11 months old and 117 pounds and hes so gentle and likes to play but if he sense that something is wrong he investigates and no one gets through our front door that my dog doesnt recognize. I think these dogs r just good family dogs and the family protector. I love it. You just feel safe.

 

Answer by CARIO
Submitted on 9/10/2005
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I KNOW A BULLMASIFF WOULD WIN BECAUES I SAW IT WITH MY OWN 2 EYES!!!!

 

Answer by Jayson Thomas
Submitted on 9/16/2005
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Bull mastiffs are not really fighting dogs but they have the eager to dominate .By looks they resemble a true fighting dog but thats only for looks . and really they are not at all fighting dogs .Only pitbull is graded a as biter or a fighting dog .Bot we can see even labrador which shows eager to fight eventhough they are popular by the name companion dogs.To find an answer for that we need to settle down with the answer that its the result of bad breeding"only bad breeders are responsible for this kind of monstrous behaviour in dogs .and the kennel club should take up the task to find out such breeders and cancel there breeding liscence .

 

Answer by whiteboybluez
Submitted on 9/18/2005
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This is got to be the biggest farce I've seen yet. For all the ignorant lames posting here's the nittygritty. Bullmastiff instinct is to knock their prey down and hold it until the owner shows up. Anyone can train a dog to fight but why would you even consider a dog who's instinct is to track and hold?

 

Answer by havok
Submitted on 9/20/2005
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i have a half staff half pitbull dog and every dog it sees it wants to fight it. it had 3 fights already and won all . y does it keep fighting?

 

Answer by pitlover
Submitted on 9/22/2005
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i believe that any dog will fight when they are challenged.  but dog fighting is wrong and cruel.  dogs are meant as pets, or aid to those who need it, not for cruel acts and over breeding.  i own 2 pits and a wheaton terrier, and they are as nice as can be.  i can not picture my dogs being taught to fight.  some of these people should be shot for what they do to these poor animals.  anybody who thinks dog fighting is cool...is a moron.

 

Answer by cotton064
Submitted on 9/27/2005
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hey big dog want kind of steroids do you give a fighting dog

 

Answer by Chad
Submitted on 9/27/2005
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How much jaw pressure does a cane corso have?

 

Answer by 12333
Submitted on 9/29/2005
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Bullmastifs Are Sweet little Dogs (ok big) But They Are sweet There is NO WAY they are fighting dogs end of Question!!!

 

Answer by king
Submitted on 10/3/2005
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nnnooooooooooo

 

Answer by canary_ler
Submitted on 10/4/2005
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pits are bad ass. no match for tosa or pressa,give them some size and I would agree with them being top <dog> . If my boy was in the yard I would much rather a tosa or a pressa    
wathing him. like most hoes would say size matters. When there are steadely 100 lb+ pitts I would agree <top dowg> watch out for the laso  
opsos  pound for pound whats there match ?

 

Answer by baz
Submitted on 10/7/2005
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is american bulldog a fighting dog

 

Answer by L'il Rev
Submitted on 10/8/2005
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I am the proud owner of a Bullmastiff. As stated they are one of the only Mastiff breeds not bred with some type of fighting past.[Either Bull,Bear or Dog.] They are the game keepers dog.
As to fighting dogs my Bully was bitten by a Golden Retriever does that make the retriever a fighting dog, I think not!
The kids play with my Bully and she puts up with a lot from them but you should always respect the fact that there is about 8 stone of her so i don't take risks. I trust her 100% but thats what everyone says.
Just like humans any dog will fight if pushed, You should be responsible with this type of breed is because of bad owners who talk about my dog could take yur dog that ruins the image of this breed i Love so much. My previous dog was a rescue racing greyhound and he loved nothing more than to fight until he was 16 yrs and had to be muzzled, A fighting breed?

 

Answer by revs
Submitted on 10/23/2005
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ithe r akita would be killed by a stratfordshire bull terrier ....but i have a ? of my own ...i have 3yr boxer/pit who is in love iwth all people but has the most agreesion towards othre animals i have ever seen in a dog why is this ?

 

Answer by Biter
Submitted on 10/26/2005
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Just asking wat would win in a fight a staffordshire bull terrier or a rottweiler cuz my staffy weighs 62 pounds and he walked past a fence and dis rottie went 2 attack him and he went of his nut and the rottie backed of jus wandering. and a stafordshire bull terrier or an english bulldog.

 

Answer by mike
Submitted on 10/31/2005
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What a crew of mooks here. The pit if bred right can be a great game fighter. That a 50 pound pit can take a 150 pound Tosa is absurd. That a Bullmastiff is a game dog is absurd.

 

Answer by Kj
Submitted on 11/4/2005
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I want a BullMastiff so bad but there too high for me. If anyone knows some good deals on them e-mail me at Dixiegal1@aol.com thanks

 

Answer by pittt
Submitted on 11/10/2005
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bull terrior by far, apbt kick ass. i have one and hes actually murdured 2 people. when the police came for him, it took 6 officers to bring him down. he just kept doging the muzzle

 

Answer by lipship
Submitted on 11/14/2005
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my ten month old boerboel was attacked by a rotty from behind and showed no gameness or fight whatsoever,immediately after the ordeal of being shaken about and lumps ripped out of him he just wanted to play as if nothing had happened,anyway three months later whilst walking him i saw a rotty running towards us and stopped about 5 yards from us,at which point i shouted to the rotty owner if he was "friendly"to which the owner replied yes!so myself and the owner got talking while the dogs were by our sides when the adult rotty growled at my boerboel and in a split second my dog had taken the rotty down so i pulled him off and the rotty backed of but my dog just went mental and dragged me along the floor to get to rotty which had now run off,anyway my point is that depending on past experiences depends on the dogs gameness and desire to protect the master also must be a defining reason for a dog to fight.so all you sickos who get a kick out seeing dogs tear eachother apart for no reason but to fuel your macho egos need to be hung up by the balls.i dont care what dog is the hardest all i care about is having an intelligent companion who knows when to put his shear brutal strength to use.there is nothing my dog loves more than PLAYING with other dogs,much better stimulation than fighting.the twats on this page who think otherwise are obviously sub human wimps who dont deserve to own a hamster let alone a dog,the vast majority of dogs can be brought up to be sociable but have no chance because of the antisocial vermin who think the dogs enjoy fighting,utter bollox.

 

Answer by Fish
Submitted on 11/18/2005
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I didn't read all of these responses but if you take a Pit Bull (Pet not a trained fighter) and put it up against a Neapolitan Mastiff (Pet not a trained fighter) the Neo will Win most of the time. My Neo fought off 2 pits at the same time when I was walking him in my neighborhood. He had one in his mouth more than once while avoiding any damage from the the other. The Neo is probably 10 times smarter than a pit cause a pit without proper training & practice won't really be able to harm a Neo. I saw it with my own eyes. The size and power of the inexperienced Neo give it the overwhelming advantage and it's not even worth discussing. The pits that attacked my dog were left lying on it side whining and the other limping around. They were not trained to fight, they had instinct but no true knowledge or skill, where my Neo had more than 100lb advantage and the killer instinct to protect himself and me. Once my Neo sat down and the pits couldn't get to his hind legs they only had his large forearms to attack and that was met with his huge head that has a huge mouth attached to it. The only blood drawn from my Neo was the blood from when he bit down on the pits and his lip would get in the way.

 

Answer by chris from stockport
Submitted on 11/22/2005
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i have 2 bullmastiffs and they dont pick fight but they will growl and bark to warn people or animals off, they are more guard dogs.
in fact they were created to be guard dog because the mastiff was too slow and unmotivated and the bulldog was too vicious and rip its prey up before giving it a chance to prove justice

 

Answer by DAMO
Submitted on 11/23/2005
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i have a bullmastiff and a boxer one time they started fighting the bullmastiff ripped of my boxers ear.And they used to fight more and more so i had to get rid of boxer becouse the bullmastiff will have killed it.And the boxer whsent no fanny

 

Answer by CARLOS
Submitted on 11/26/2005
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¿WHO IS STRONGER? ¿who fights better?EVERY ONE INVOLVED IN DOG FIGHTS IS A COWARD,FAGGET BASTARD UNABLE TO FACE HIS OWN MISERABLE WEAKNESS.

 

Answer by Dragon
Submitted on 11/27/2005
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I don't think they are fighting dogs

 

Answer by khan the real dog trainner
Submitted on 11/27/2005
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i have seen alot of dogs fighting most of the dogs will not fight to death and i don't understand some people mansion fight to death,they will give signal that one of the dog have lost,i think one of the most ferocious dogs that i have seen fighting are the one in kohat pakistan they are bull terrier ,once they lock their jaw it will take some time and techniecs to unlock it; poring water into the ear of the dog,i herd amerikan pit bull is a good fighting dog any information on that

 

Answer by gap
Submitted on 11/30/2005
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Bullmastiffs are definetly NOT fighting dogs.  I have seen a bullmastiff forced into a fight by another dog.  It knocked the other dog over held it on the ground and let it go once it thought the fight had ended.  

END OF STORY!  

 

Answer by mike
Submitted on 12/1/2005
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yes its all true

 

Answer by Ilovemybullie
Submitted on 12/2/2005
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I am a proud owner of a BullMastiff and I shutter to think that someone is even asking
whether they are a fighting breed.
My Bullie is the most corageous, and loyal friend/family member someone could ask for.
I can only assume that someone is asking these questions because they are interested in acquiring a Bullie.
Who wants a fighting dog? Does someone need to compensate for something by getting a fighting dog?
I'll have you know people aren't judged by the size of their dog in life........?
I can only pray that if you approach a breeder that you will be put through the interviewing process that we had to go through.
Shame on you.
To be perfectly honest I wish I knew who you were...... if you need to earn extra money I hear McDonald's are hiring..

 

Answer by DOG IOVE
Submitted on 12/5/2005
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I IOVE DOGS

 

Answer by Camicus
Submitted on 12/6/2005
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Any of you who actually think dog fighting is a good thing should be put in jail the rest of your life.

 

Answer by dunna
Submitted on 12/8/2005
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you are all stupid for even thinking about dog fighting in the streets because they are animals and they do not need to be abused like that that is why rottweilers and pit bulls are called the nations deadliest dogs.  An din all truth it is how they are raised and who raises them i hope none of you ever get a dog.  

 

Answer by taffy19
Submitted on 12/8/2005
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I have a bullmastiff female and she is the most gentle dog I have ever seen and i wouldn't"t want to have her fighting even thou she has the size and strength to do some damage,there is also the chance of her getting hurt again I don't want that,so who gives a dam about a fighter or non fighter,so I say let them love and be loved


 

Answer by taffy19
Submitted on 12/8/2005
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I have a bullmastiff female and she is the most gentle dog I have ever seen and i wouldn't"t want to have her fighting even thou she has the size and strength to do some damage,there is also the chance of her getting hurt again I dont want that,so who gives a dam about a fighter or non fighter,so I say let them love and be loved


 

Answer by BLACK
Submitted on 12/11/2005
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS CRAZY I NEVER SEEN SUCH A GROUP OF PEOPLE SLEEP ON ROTTY'STHERE NOT THE BEST FIGHTING DOG BUT A ENGLISH BULLDOG MY GOD I HAVE A ROT I USED TO FIGHT HE KILLED 3 ENGLISH BULLDOGS 5 PITBULL'S6 ROTTYS 6 AKITAS AND 1BULL MASTIVE. BEFORE HE TURNED 2 OF COURSE I DONT FIGHT HIM ANY MORE BECAUSE MY CUZS DOG GOT KILLED FROM THAT SHYT AND I FELT BAD SO I STOPPED BUT MY DOG IS A HOUSE DOG NEVER REALLY BREAD TO FIGHT I WAS JUST YOUNG AND STUPID FIGHTING HIM BUT THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW ANY DOG CAN BEAT ANY DOG ON THE RIGHT DAY THERE ARE MANY DOGS THAT COULD FINISH MY DOG. BUT BELIEVE DONT SLEEP ON ONE BREED BECAUSE THERES A MAJORITY OF ANOTHER WHO YOU SEE MORE FIGHTING FROM(FOR ALL DOG FIGHTER)AND FOR ALL THE NON DOG FIGHTERS COMMENTING JUST BECAUSE YOUR DOG DOES DAMAGE TO 1 DOG ON YOUR BLOCK DONT MEAN SHYT BRING IT TO A DOG FIGHT OR GO SEE ONE IN GERMANY, RUSSIA, ENGLAND,CHINA THEN TALK AMERICAN FIGHT ARE JUST STUPID BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS GOT A MIXED BREED FIGHTING NEVER A FULL BREAD FROM ITS NATIVE COUNTRY.PS. MY ROTT IS FROM GERMANY AND MY PITT IS FROM ENGLAND

 

Answer by apbt
Submitted on 12/14/2005
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the bull mastiff is not a fighting dog. The best fighting dog on the planet is hands down the american pitbull terrier. It has been breed for years to do nothing else but fight.

 

Answer by Sam
Submitted on 12/14/2005
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I think that people who train there dogs to fight like they do with pitbulls is very cruel for the dog and very cruel to other humans because humans can be a victim of a death or an attack and when they get attacked the owner will ask why they are sueing the family that owns the pitbull or the dog that attacked the person or another animal for no reason. People that own the dogs that attack people should have to get the dog put to sleep and have a fine and also be put in jail for at least one year!!

 

Answer by APBT
Submitted on 12/14/2005
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first off who cares if a dog can fight or not. if you want a real sport do it your self, get in a ring and fight with someother guy to the death. yes the APBT was breed to be Compassioned, loyal, and to have that never give up attitued. They were the family dog that is friendly to every person even if they do not know them. but no because of assholes like you, its hard to own one as a pet.

 

Answer by APBT
Submitted on 12/14/2005
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first off who cares if a dog can fight or not. if you want a real sport do it your self, get in a ring and fight with someother guy to the death. yes the APBT was breed to be Compassioned, loyal, and to have that never give up attitued. They were the family dog that is friendly to every person even if they do not know them. but no because of assholes like you, its hard to own one as a pet.

 

Answer by m.r. h.
Submitted on 12/29/2005
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I have raised, trained and bred many breeds in the last 40 years. Some of my accomplishments recieved worldwide recognition. Guard dogs, police dogs and fighters. I've seened some pretty astonishing feats by the most unlikely of dogs.But, you can bet a game bred american pit bull terrier today, is the greatest pit animal of all time. The rest is talk.

 

Answer by dogman
Submitted on 12/30/2005
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dogs i know a undisputed mastiff in the the fighting ring massiffs can be very agressive if trained or bred for it

 

Answer by venus1
Submitted on 12/30/2005
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listen, pitbulls by far will always will in the ring. that is what they are bred to do, fight without provacation. However, send a pitbull into a yard defended by a Kangal dog, Akbash dog, Anatolian Shepherd,Italian Maremma, Caucasian Ovcharka or any other flock guardian and that pitbull will be torn to shreds before it blinks an eye. So how exactlty are you judging what makes a dog tough? What happens in a man staged competition is irrelevant. I have personally known the breeds listed above to kill other dogs and predators instantly. No dog is "tougher". Set your "game-bred" pitbulls or Tosas on any of these dogs and watch their demise. Game bred will never trump these breeds historic protectivness. NEVER.

 

Answer by mari
Submitted on 1/5/2006
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maybe not then to big

 

Answer by Dog Pop
Submitted on 1/7/2006
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I know this is a old message but I just had to say something.  All dogs have teeth and the capability to fight simply because of the survival nature in the blood.  But as stated before their nothing out their is no dog out here that can beat a game Tosa, Presa or Pit Bull.  I have bred pits and now I breed corso'ssimply because of the negative press in the area I live in.  I have seen all these dogs fight and kill and it is not a pretty sight.  The Tenasity of these dogs is unbelievable and their ability to endure the pain in crazy.  As far as the bullmastiff is concerned he is a capable guard dog and I am sure he will defend himself.  But as a real fighter he would lose because he would lose his wind.  I know someone who has a female corso a male bullmastiff and a male neo.  The female corso went into heat and the males got into a fight.  Not only did the Neo punish the bullmastiff he bit plugs out out of him.  He ripped his neck open all the way from his chest to the back of his head.  Needless to say he died because of this.  The owner was very sad because he had the bullmastiff the longest.  But I warned him before he bought the Neo home it is going to some drama because the Neo is much more dominate and territorial than that bullmastiff.

 

Answer by arun
Submitted on 1/12/2006
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japanese akita is da best den it would b an amzaing fight agint da ova 2 dogs

 

Answer by mina77
Submitted on 1/13/2006
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name of dog

 

Answer by LatinoAsianPride
Submitted on 1/16/2006
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Trying to find the best finding dog is not really possible. Think, I’m crazy let me explain short sweet and to the point. Let’s say you THINK you have found the best fighting dog out there. You fight the best dogs in the world. Now you may think since you have fought unbelievable opponents you’re the best but somewhere out in this cold harsh world will be a dog that can whip yours.

It’s like saying a big strong black person is a better fighter then a small smart, quick Asian. Or that a good sized well trained White person is better then a well rounded motivated Arabic. It’s impossible to tell. One might be bigger, stronger, smarter, more trained, or even more motivated. One day the black person might defeat the White and Arabic person. Then the next day the Asian Will beat them all.

Now these traits may be very helpful but they don’t guarantee victory. You could do the most research possible and have the most equipped dog to fight and it will lose to someone or something else. Now, I’m not here to knock the small APBT, or the huge mastiffs, or anything in between. But there will always be good fighting dogs out there.

But if you want my opinion I’m sure APBT do win a lot but that doesn’t mean the best. I’m sure if a 150 pound mastiff were to fall on a 30 pound APBT that it would do some damage. But I would have to say the most fit fighting dog would be a (WILD) White Wove because fighting is what it does everyday to survive they have (Size, quickness, strength, smarts) (Now this doesn’t guarantee any thing but is good to have). I mean if you think about it the White Wolves fight with tigers to live (Have a average life span of 12 years in wild) (Not Bad) so they are at least pretty decent at fighting if you feel my groove. But if you don’t consider White Wolves a dog then a White Wove Hybrid because they have all the traits mentioned above then what ever the other dog has.

Many say that wolves run away scared. Yes, this is true the wolf may run away so it doesn’t have to fight. But if pushed and threatened with its territory it would fight with all it has. And that the most important element is will power.  

“It’s not the size of the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog” Some Agree with it more then others.

So mock and make fun all you want but that’s what it comes down to there will always be a stronger dog.


 

Answer by Blue 18
Submitted on 1/17/2006
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Bullmastiffs are great dogs. And they are really big. Hope you like Bullmastiffs.

 

Answer by Iceman
Submitted on 1/19/2006
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Children, stop yapping at one another.  The issue that must be addressed is that APBT's are the most over rated fighting dog on the planet.  I say to you this, Staffordshire Bull Terrior...any questions?  

 

Answer by Ba Borucous
Submitted on 1/19/2006
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Could someone tell me why Rotties, dobes and German shepherds are so low down in the fighting class, is it something like 4th class?

 

Answer by Reese
Submitted on 2/1/2006
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We just had to put our dog down today. She had a growth on the side of her face between he eyes and nose. When we took her to the vet 2weeks ago he opened her mouth and looked at it. It was a bubble ans it was red. So he gave us antibiotics because he said it may help the swelling go down. This morning we got up and she was laying on her bed and she pooped here she was and peeed. This is not like my dog because she like to do her business in the high grass. She also had a hard time breathing and pucked up blood. We called the vet to put her down because of what we say with the poop and pee and pucking up the blood ans shaking and the fact that she did not get up she just lay. We took her in because wee did not want to try to make her walk we put her bedding on a thick blanket and we each grabed a corner and brought her out to my car. We got to the vet and he said the she would probably not live till the bed of the day. we lay her down and she started to bleed out of her nose and mouth about
equivalent to a quart of blood. The vet game her the 1st shot to put her out. But we could not stay for the rest of it. I just want to know what you thought my dog problem was and do you think we did the right thing? She was 13year old English bullmastiff. I blame my self for it. Did I do the right thing?

 

Answer by Keza
Submitted on 2/8/2006
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To Zulu8.  Hey i never heard of a South African Boerboel before you mentioned it so I looked them up and i can say they are good looking dogs but like the Bullmastiff have Mastiff bred into them.  I have a bullmastiff cross Ridgeback and he'll pick  a fight with anything.  But before i had him I had a Bullmastiff and he was huge and no one ever went near him but he was the the most relaxed dog ever.  

 

Answer by Weasel
Submitted on 2/8/2006
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My grandmother has a Siberian Fire Hound. It weighs 500ib and can bit through a steel pole. I saw it fight 2 game bred pit bulls in my grandma's front room and it annihilated them. No problem.

That, and the Hippogriff are the best fighting dogs.

 

Answer by POOH
Submitted on 2/13/2006
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Can somebody tell me, How a rottweiler would do in a fight with a pit?

 

Answer by You fools
Submitted on 2/16/2006
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I have never in my life seen a chat room with so many dog men. I hope to god I never come across any of your dogs. So many dogs killing other dogs. I can only hope my Apbt doesn't come across any of them . Id hate to see him run screaming or get his skull crushed by another dog. or maybe Get beaten up by a Rotti. wow so many tough dogs. I am really glad i came across This room now i know the toughest dogs.Get a life fellas. Real dog fighters never brag. hahaha

 

Answer by hikki
Submitted on 2/16/2006
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your stupid not one dog should be fighting at all so what kind of question is that you ass hole

 

Answer by bb
Submitted on 2/17/2006
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what about presa canario?  

 

Answer by taffy
Submitted on 2/19/2006
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pitbull attacks on people are usually pet dogs owned  by people who know nothing about them if some people choose to fight them so what thats what there bred for some of the idiots who keep them couldnt handle a toy poodle its people like this that cause the bad reputation this breed gets leave this breed and other fighting breeds to people who know what there doing

 

Answer by dog fighter
Submitted on 3/7/2006
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a bull mastiff does not have the correct wind that is needed to take a pitbull out believe me we tried and it was not pretty for the mastiff. They do have potential but not enough for a real game pit.

 

Answer by pitbull JR
Submitted on 3/13/2006
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   read this you PITBULL HATERS !!!!!!!!!
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All(most) of you are all wrong!!!!!! Pitbulls are the best BREED, FOR fighting  because of their; -Stamina, -Strength, -History,-Agility,and finally their***KILLER INSTINCT***. DID I MISS ANYTHING . I THINK NOT ***  SMARTY  *** ...  

IF ANY OF YOU SAW A REAL DOG FIGHT,YOU WOULD KNOW SPEED,POWER,AND BRAINS WINS FIGHTS..finally WHY IS IT PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF PITBULLS-- OH i KNOW WHY , MAYBE ITS THE SAME REASON WHY -YOU-WOULD BE SCARED OF A HEAVY WEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION WAS COMING TOWARDS YOU READY TO KILL YOU.-GET WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY THEY ARE BOTH CHAMPIONS!!!!

   people ALWAYS want a champion to fall.

Remember it ain't the size of the dog in the fight it's the fight inside the dog. You cant break a pitbulls SPIRIT

  MAYBE FOR YOU HATERS OUT THERE , GET A PITBULL AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

 

Answer by john doe
Submitted on 3/16/2006
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i'mfrom alabama & the only dogs we use are pits well just so you panzys know the pits from bama tear each others jaws off before they quit fighting i don't fight dogs but my its big in the neighboring counties so i think a pit could take any dog

 

Answer by presa canrio
Submitted on 4/13/2006
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a staff will be a good fight against an akita due to its size and strenth. they have heart unlike akitas that will bark and maybe run away. that is from experience

 

Answer by arkan
Submitted on 4/18/2006
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a 40 kg pit is not so agile like a 23 kg pit.much the weight increase the pit agility decrease.so a pit of 45 kilo can do no damage to a tosa of 55 kilo.

 

Answer by arkan
Submitted on 4/18/2006
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let's trade gentelmens

tosa-inu;pitbull;dogo canare;centrasiatic shepard;caucazian sheppard;dogo argentino;bull terier;mastino;rotweiler;cane corso; and many more other breeds fighting in pit and not only.and for your curiosity tosa rules thats for sure.i hardly wait to see what you hve to offer.

arkan_tosa@yahoo.com

 

Answer by a
Submitted on 4/25/2006
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bullmastiffs are gentle giants,i have one and her best friend is a miniatures poodle...people who need to fight dogs have a serious ego problem and need to be put in the pitt with them.......

 

Answer by hm hm
Submitted on 4/27/2006
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as answering your question I have no Idea and I can't really say I care. From what I understand Tosa Inu and APBT are the fighting dogs Bulmastifs I have seen are once that like to play not fight(that is not to say they haven't been build for that surd of thing)Bull-mastiffs are supposedly more agile than standard mastiffs and I'm shure they are strong. It all depends on the circumstances. Now could anybody tell me where I can find a dogo Belgrado breeder?

 

Answer by scaz
Submitted on 5/10/2006
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wolf hybrid end of story...
hyena tod of the chain.... cya peeps

 

Answer by UAE_PITBULL
Submitted on 5/15/2006
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hloooooooo

 

Answer by Dozer
Submitted on 5/17/2006
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Is an American Bulldog as good a fighter as a pit??

 

Answer by ??
Submitted on 5/18/2006
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a turkish kankgal is the strongess dog ere no dog can beat them.........

 

Answer by killacame
Submitted on 5/22/2006
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i have dog in turkey fukin crazy if u guys wanna see how my dog looks like check it on google.ca search 4 =====sivas kangali

 

Answer by red and paddy
Submitted on 6/12/2006
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bull mastiff are a fighting dog because i have one and he hasn't lost a fight yet and he has bin fighting for 5 years now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Answer by cant believe peoplke r still fighting dogs
Submitted on 6/25/2006
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The FILA BRASILERO is NOT a fighting dog! It is a GUARD/PROTECTION dog. Do some research!

 

Answer by Dave
Submitted on 7/6/2006
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All of you guys are wrong, wrong, wrong....
All of these comparisons would be the same as saying, is a Chinese man a better fighter than a Japanese man, absolutely silly.  I wish I found this forum earlier, and then I would shut u all up.  All of u claim to know these facts, when u all probably just did your research on one site and then posted your responses.  Research means multiple sources of information, not these half baked responses.  Everything from the types of breeds like pit bull and am staffs, some of you are so off, don't even know the history of these dogs and what they were bread for and how the bread was changed.  I especially like the one that talked about the Tosa and how big they are and what their mixture is, that one was the best, check your facts, a real Japanese Tosa (80lbs) is a lot smaller than an american bread Tosa which can be as large as 200 plus and has all kinds of crazy mixes.  Thanks for the laugh guys.

 

Answer by the guy
Submitted on 7/10/2006
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poop and barf are fighting breeds

 

Answer by nathan
Submitted on 7/14/2006
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i have an American bulldog n i found out dat all dogs can turn out fighting dog if the dog dont socialize wid other dogs but generaly der bred for fighting but over time der fighting instincts has faded but all u need is a fighting mum and dad 2 bring out da visousness in it so allways buy a friendly one

 

Answer by american bulldog
Submitted on 7/14/2006
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i think that Pitts and tosa are very hard dogs but i think a american bulldog will come close to them because ov there amazin strenght and bite and d the cane corso are also very tough and english bull terriers

 

Answer by dd
Submitted on 7/18/2006
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kangals easily beat pitbulls and if you dont believe it just go to dog-training.bluehost.cz/degeneration
and also a bully kutta will beat a game bread pitbull 80 percent of the time. other dogs that
can usually beat game bread pitbulls are Caucasian or Central Asian Owtcharkas and the akbash.  and its all on the site above.

 

Answer by D
Submitted on 7/21/2006
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TO DOGMAN.

Having owned fighting dog's (specifically pits) all of my life and being raised around dog fighters I've seen nearly every breed in a match.  And to answer your question.

A Staffordshire bull terrier would take out an Akita very quickly, I've seen it happen.  And an American Pit Bull (Am-staff's Would take only a little longer as it's larger size makes getting to the neck a little more difficult.  Although in all fairness the Akita breed generally has a lot of fight in it, just not as much as a pit.

 

Answer by bry
Submitted on 7/24/2006
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Stop the dog fight that is the worst thing any one could put an animal though...... what did the dog do to deserve something like that.......


:-(

 

Answer by rohit singh (proud son of india)
Submitted on 7/27/2006
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Yes bull mastiff can easily beat  pit bull but still it is not a fighting dog.I mean to say that fighting dogs are dogs that were bread for fighting in the ring.It could be with a bear,dogs ,leapord but a creature who will fight back I mean to say a creature which uses its mouth and paws to defend itself like the above mentioned.The best fighting breed is the bully kutta.I have a 38 inches bully kutta taller then a great dane ,which has won many fights.Its has beaten all the bull breeds.The only breed with it had a tough fight was the american mastiff,nebolish mastiff and an english mastiff.I mean the fight lasted more than 20 mins but ultimately  bully kutta was the winner.IT can kill a pit bull within minutes.In fact it can kill any dog because of its size and built.People don't know much about them.see mbk bully kuttas on the net.see unkc.com.study the history and u will fall in love with this breed.Its the most powerful breed.You can see its muscels.see its chest,legs/feet simply amazing.Dog fighting is illegal and should be banned.No one should do that.You can check dog's power by many other means.I tried this dog fighting thing 2 years back .Now i regret everything,I was very wrong.Every dog has different qualities and the dog should be loved for that.Dog is not a killing machine.

 

Answer by rohit singh (mumbai,india )
Submitted on 7/27/2006
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log on to see the world best fighting breed.Nobody can match it.www.mbkdogs.com

 

Answer by Kushman
Submitted on 7/28/2006
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hey Dog man i have seen sevral pit vs japansese Akita. the Akita dominates with in seconds.

 

Answer by gonzo
Submitted on 7/31/2006
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NO! U don't fight bull mastiffs. u fight pit bulls.anyone who knows about bullmastifs, knows were and wut they were breeded for. not for bullbait  and fighting. they were breed to be gaurds and enforcers.they are to much  of mushes.but they will use there power wen threatened or to protect there family.their temperment is to good . u wanna fight dogs use nasty pits.there rep is already ruined.BY UR DAD- lets put u in the pit with a nasty gunpowder sniffin pitbull and see if u die, u know so we know for next time. so no dont fight bulmastiffs.there to much of a good dog.

 

Answer by lil mike
Submitted on 8/2/2006
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QUESTION TO ALL!!!:


what dog is the best fighting dog and what techniques could i use to train my dog. special food, exercises i need it all?? please comment been looking for this information for a long time

 

Answer by me
Submitted on 8/11/2006
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english bulldogs cant fight because they ha ve pug in them they used to be the same thing as old english bulldogge & a hell of a fighter but inhereted deseases from pugs

& for staffies there the best fighting dogs(for there size) they can beat pits ^ to 10 pounds more than them buteven take on larger dogs & if they had an extra 20 pounds they would be unstoaple

 

Answer by sinan poweredbyguler
Submitted on 8/17/2006
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ne kadar oýt warsa alayýta&ambenakoyaykangallara turksýkangal  alayýanassiker3bunu kafankoyun ondan güçlü köpek yoktur

 

Answer by sharkeily
Submitted on 8/18/2006
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i have 2 dogs and fight them all the time and enjoy the blood. i love them so much

 

Answer by j is in here
Submitted on 8/22/2006
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wat the fuk boxers are really good fighters and would kill a pitbull in a fight...pit bulls are jus fat and lazy boxer dogs are quick strong and alreat.

 

Answer by tommy
Submitted on 8/29/2006
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my bullmastif has gone toe to toe with nearly every fighting dog on earth he has never lost

 

Answer by josh
Submitted on 8/30/2006
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No bull mastiffs are not fighting dogs. Pitbulls are pound for pound the best fighting dogs on the planet. Another thing gameness has nothing to do with size, strength, bite power ect.....gameness is a value that can only be measured in a fight where the dog shows that he would continue to fight even if it meant dying of exhaustion and bloodloss. No other breed exhibits this characteristic as strongly as pitbulls as a whole(although most pit bulls are not truly deep gamebred, they are more game than all other breeds). And yes sometimes pitbulls lose fights, they are not omnipotent omnipresent, and whatever other terms you would use to describe deity. However, 9 times out of 10, or 90 times out of a 100, a truly gamebred(see definition above) pitbull will win a fight with another breed if match relatively close in wieght, bar none. I have heard of many instances where an severely undersized pit(30-40 lbs) has beaten a Tosa, Chindo, Mastiff, ect. If dogfighting were legal, then you would be surprised if you actually watched a pitbull fight another breed, and I'm not talking about a 30 second spat, I'm speaking of an hour and a half or 2 hour fight if that bigger stronger breed could even last that long. I'm not bragging and exaggerating, this has been proven time and again. That mastiff may have flipped that pit on it's back, I've had this happen to my own pit 70 lbs(I don't fight him, nor do I support dogfighting)but by the time I could get to him he had turned the tables on this other dog around 120 lbs and nearly killed him. And no I don't claim my dog is game, I don't know I've never seen him go long enough to declare him so.

 

Answer by vinny
Submitted on 8/30/2006
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a corgi could take them all down

 

Answer by OTTOMAN
Submitted on 9/17/2006
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WELL PEOPLE AFTER I READ ALL THE COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MY OPINION TOO..
WELL ACTUALLY THIS IS A FACT.. THE WORDS STRONGEST DOG IS A KANGAL (KARABASH). APBT,TOSA INU OR WHAT EVER WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE AGAINST IT. LISTEN FIGHT MANIAC BREEDERS TRY ANY OF YOUR BREEDS AGAINST A KANGAL AND YOU'LL SEE THE FACTS.. I'VE SEEN MANY KANGAL AND APBT FIGHT IN TURKEY AND I DIDNT LIKE THE FACT THAT THE PITS NECK PIECES HAD TO BE CLEANED FROM THE KANGALS JAWS.. I'VE WATCHED AKITA'S, ROTTS AGAINST IT AND STILL NO CHANCE.. KANGALS ARE USED TO PROTECT THE HERD IN THE MOUNTAINS FROM WOLF PACKS AND BEARS.. THANK YOU, JUST RESEARCH YOU'LL SEE

 

Answer by Truth
Submitted on 9/22/2006
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The Bullmastiff was not bred as a fighting dog.  It was bred to be a dog that would help catch poachers without mauling them so bad (look it up).  There are dogs specifically bred to be fighting dogs, like the different bull & terrier breeds (APBT, Bullterrier, Staffordshire Bullterrier, etc.), Preso Canario, Tosa Inu, Chinese Shar-Pei, just to name a few.  There are dogs who weren't bred for dogfighting, but were used for the purpose early on, The English Bulldog (the origional which closely resembles the American Bulldog lines used for "working") & various other mastiffs/molossers & other spitz type breeds.  These breeds were used for purposes such as hunting, guarding, droving/herding, baiting (bears, bulls, human glatiators,  other wild animals), & as pack animals.  Breeds used for dogfighting were specifically bred for the purpose, because other types of dogs were either too big, too slow, too man aggressive, or just not effective.  This gave rise to the bull & terrier breeds.  Some fighting breeds were bred to keep pace with the bull & terrier breeds in the ring, because their native dogs weren't good fighters.  A lot of people give stupid opinions based on BS.  Any dog will fight for their own reasons, but only certain breeds were bred to fight other dogs.  As for which dogfighting breeds are the best I do not know.  I am against dogfighting, period.  I have never seen an organized dogfight.

 

Answer by big ry
Submitted on 9/24/2006
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not that this pertains to fighting becouse they way dogfighting is it leaned more tword agresiveness rather than just pure ferousity
a bulldog is a champion in my book becouse its body langauge
a pit bull another nice dog becouse of its all around qualitys like stamina and streangth
a bullmastiff becouse of its sheer dominating
stature and the temperment
the tosa inu becouse of its renound reputation
the boxer just becouse ive acualy seen them "box"
the shepard breeds for the obedience and intelect
see to whoever asked this question
when you think of having an animal
as a pet and want to have the "coolest"dog
you have to go for what sutes you best
if your into working out and running
dont go get yourself a bulldog
its not going to suite you your just not going to be pleased with that dog and its not gonna be pleased with you
if your a couch potatoe and like lounging with the ac on a buldog is the way to go
but a pitbull is not theyl just get fat and be unhealthy if you like to drive your truck around and have a few beers down the road get a bullmastiff but dont get a pitbull it has the tendansie to be wild and do crazy stuff but a bullmastiff will always be YOUR dog and do what you do
fighting dogs is so stupid its like boxing
exept a dog isnt civilized so has no concept
of sport or glory all it knows it eat or get eaten so it leanes more twords the owners expirience as a dog fighter so who is the toughest dawg ???????a dog isnt a one animal
fighter its a pack fighter domination in numbers

 

Answer by billy
Submitted on 9/28/2006
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if bullmastiffs are fighting dogs thay would be used for fighting.                 there not used for fighting,so thay got no fight.

 

Answer by IJustknowdogs
Submitted on 10/5/2006
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I THINK IT'S A GOOD DISTINCTION TO REMEMBER THAT YOUR EVERY DAY PIT BULL IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM A GAME BRED/TRAINED ANIMAL.  i AM SURE ITS THE SAME WITH TOSAS AND OTHER DOGS.  I'M WILLING TO BET THAT DIFFERENT DOGS COULD WIN AKITA, MASTIFFS, SEVERAL SHEPERD GUARDIAN BREEDS ON AN EVERY DAY BASIS! I EVEN HAVE A FIRST HAND ACCOUNT OF A TRAINED POLICE TRAINED GERMAN SHEPERD BEATING A PIT IN A FIGHT!  HOWEVER I'M SURE THAT ON THE WHOLE PITS.TOSAS,PRESAS AND MAYBE A FEW OTHERS WIN IN THE PITS.  OH YEAH I THINK ALL REAL PEOPLE ON THESE POSTS WHO FIGHT DOGS ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. GET SOME COUNSELING.

 

Answer by mongrel
Submitted on 10/5/2006
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look pplz any dog can be a strait out killer dog fighter its all up 2 the owner, but if u wer 2 train a bull mastiff, german shepherd, tosa inu, rottweiler, doberman, mastiff EVEN A IRISH WOLF HOUND and pitbull at the same intense training on being a fighting dog it is pretty obvious that the pitbull would be the first dog killed out of all of them. the only good thing about a pitty is that it would fite till the end but it cant fight once its DEAD

 

Answer by gdubs
Submitted on 10/18/2006
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And comeon STEVO there is no way 1 lone pitbull can take down a 550 kilo male bull( as in big cow with horns) , are you crazy one foot stomp and any dog will be crushed , the bull is the symbol of power , I saw a bull in spain flip a citroen 2cv on its roof with 16 inch gashes through the door panels , pitbulls are tuff but you need 6 at least and expect 1 or 2 fatalities.they are not from the planet krypton.

 

Answer by george g
Submitted on 10/20/2006
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ANIMALS WHO LIVE WITH HUMANS THEY LEARN FROM THEM, TO FIGHT OR TO BE A PET. SO IF SOMEONE MAKES A SALAD TO EAT, THAT IS WHAT HE WOULD EAT. THE PROBLEM IS NOT ON ANIMALS IS ON HUMANS.

 

Answer by blaze
Submitted on 10/25/2006
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i think some of you folks in here are too young to really know what dog fighting is about.theres rules in it.thugs in the big cities fight pbs to the death.and thats a shame.they should be put down as well for doing that.i had aloft of dogs in my time.one of the best dogs i had was Buddie,a Colby pit.the only dog i ever owned that i never worried about.he held his own against any other dog he fought.i see a few of you own land as i do.and at times some strays do cross my land.but no dog could match Buddie.yes,i think a bull mastiff is no fighting dog,but hes not bred for that.hes bred to protect his master.but now in my later years,i own a big male presa.he reminds me of Buddie. this is one I'm not worried about taking on a stray.i will not let my dog fight if I'm around.but god help the other dog if I'm not there.

 

Answer by Get your facts RIGHT!!!
Submitted on 10/27/2006
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First of all, if you people think that any breed of dog can hold a candle to the APBT you are ignorant. No other breed of dog has the ability to fight pound for pound as the APBT. That is his skill, Do you think a Masstive can trail a scent as well as a hound? no. Can a German Shepard run as fast as a grey hound? no. Than why is it you guys think a masstive can fight, that is not what is is bred for is it? I rear a few of these blogs on here and one of them said the Masstve put the APBT on its back well duh. 90% of all APBT'sfight on thier backs, you should have let it go for a few mins. and you would have seen what i mean. Another thing i read was that their are "game" Am.Staff, and "game" Saff. Bulls.  No such thing, some APBT'swere registered under the Am Staff name but thats only because APBT'scouldn't be registered under their own name. The Staffs were bred as SHOW dogs, bred down from their GAME decendents The American Pit Bull Terriers.     Reading about the history of APBS'sis not an accurate way of knowing were they came from look at old photos in the1800's the Bull dog back then look exactly like the modern day APBT's If any thing the APBT is the real deal and all other breeds of dogs were bred down from it.    most dog intimdate his rival to avoid a fight and all acts of fighting is out of fear. But the APBT is not scared as a matter of fact he loves it,it is is game its what he is good at. People need to know what the are saying is true before the say it.  Overall fighting an APBT aginst any other dog other than a APBT or a Tosa, is like a match between a boxing campion and a Poker player. Who is going to win?   You will believe what you want but remember ignorance is expensive.

 

Answer by JJ
Submitted on 10/29/2006
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I HAVE A HALF IRISH STAFF AN HALF BULL MASTIFF WOULD IT BE A GOOD FIGHING DOG

 

Answer by ages
Submitted on 10/29/2006
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Hyena's are more closly related to cats then dogs. Feel free to look it up.... if you can figure out how to open a book.

 

Answer by lucasandi3
Submitted on 11/4/2006
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sorry but your all wrong! the pitbull comes first in my eyes but then you have the american staff and the original staffordshire bull terrier coming 2nd and 3rd. american bulldogs are also good fighting dogs. tosa and presa'sare good for fighting less game dogs. the england staffordshire bull terrier is the original fighting dog as all other dogs were cross breed with this dog for a bigger taller dog

 

Answer by sound-wave
Submitted on 12/15/2006
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I OWN A CANE CORSO AND A PRESSA CANARIO AND MY DOGS HAVE FOUGHT OTHER DOGS MANY TIMES BUT I BELIVE CANE CORSO'SARE ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS DOGS IN THE WORLD. MY CANE CORSO LAST MONTH NEARLY KILLED 2 PITBULL TERRIORS AT THE SAME TIME. IT STARTED WHEN ONE OF THE PITBULLS GRAWLED AT ME AND MY DOG AND MY DOG DEFENDED ME AND ITS SELF SO THAT JUST SHOWS HOW VICIOUS CANE CORSOS ARE

 

Answer by KIMI
Submitted on 12/23/2006
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Bullmastiff has fighting blood as the most mastiffs but is not used to fight. The original apbt has no reason to fear tosa inu. Believe me tosa could be much heavier but a good 25-30 kg pit after 20 minutes wins. And remember this name <AMERICAN BANDOG> is a cross between game pit and mastino napolitano. Believe me none tosa or other breed has any chance against a good bandog. Its seems like a 55-65 kg pit but is also a great guard as it has instict from the mastino. All the fighting people give respect to bandog.(The creator) Mr JOHN SWEENFORD THANK YOU

 

Answer by ughhhhhhhhh
Submitted on 12/24/2006
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dogman studies show that all bully breeds have a equall chance in a fight but if that reason you want a dog I think you should receive medical help.


-personally I like the staffordshire bull terrior.
-the staffordshire bull terrior is not a pitbull

 

Answer by boxer
Submitted on 1/2/2007
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the top fighting would be a boxer.
boxer vs pitbull the boxer wins boxer vs shaperd boxers wins again imp them are the 3 top fight dogs if u guys want to get facts look it up www.google.com no point of fight ing over a chat log = P

 

Answer by boxer
Submitted on 1/2/2007
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boxers ftw!
all dogs can fight.imp.its all about how u train it.but some dogs like pitbulls,boxers,tosa are made to be fighter yes its in there blood.boxers where use to kill people in war same with pits that what they were breeded for before they became family pets.oh and btw boxer vs tosa now thats a good fight not a pitbull

 

Answer by clydealan
Submitted on 1/5/2007
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macker.....your boxer never beat a pit anywhere anytime unless the boxer was was full grown and the pit was a young pup.....never say that again liar

 

Answer by gulfshores44
Submitted on 1/8/2007
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to the contrary ....... sum dogs r game without training .... the apbt even when raised with children in total peace will fight ferociously if attacked. i was once privy to see a apbt get whipped seriously by a collie ......yes a collie ..the collie was as game as any pit i had ever seen . after the roll the guy took his collie and went home and everyone there talked about it for months

 

Answer by ROTTWEILER
Submitted on 1/11/2007
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A ROTTWEILER WOULD DESTROY AN AKITA

 

Answer by ??
Submitted on 1/18/2007
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how about u guys stop all the dog fighting talk and hit the gym and make yourselves into fighters so that u dnt have to own dogs to be tough end of the issue.

 

Answer by Charles white
Submitted on 1/23/2007
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