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Question by Amanda
Submitted on 8/13/2003
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I have a minature doberman but he has white on his chest area.  Could this be because he is not a pure bred?

Answer by Rachel
Submitted on 9/18/2003
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Actually, there is no such breed as a miniature Doberman.  The Miniature Pinscher, which looks a lot like a Dobe, is actually a much older breed, predating the Doberman by about two centuries.  The two look alike, but are not related.  They are both German breeds though.  White on the chest often occurs in several breeds.  The dog can be purebred, but may not be allowed to enter in shows if a certain amount of white is considered a fault.


Answer by HowlingWolf
Submitted on 9/23/2003
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White color in a Doberman is not only a disqualifying fault, but a serious health issue for the individual dog and a threat to the integrity of the breed. White dogs are Tyrosynase Positive Albinos; this condition causes marked photosensitivity (squint or shut eyes in sunlight) and increased risk of solar skin damage including cancer. To help to eliminate this recessive gene from the Doberman gene pool, the American Kennel Club has traced back to the original dog that carried this trait; further the AKC includes the letter Z in all litters that trace back directly back to this dog, as well as to litters with a white parent. You can help by not buying or breeding from litters with a Z in the litter registration number. For more information, please see the article that the DPCA has published; go to: http://www.dpca.org/ then click on the Operation White Out article.


Answer by whitepower
Submitted on 4/11/2004
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How can u people honestly say u love dobies! When u discriminate like this. What kind of a world would it be if we just went ahead and weeded out all the hip displ. Dogs or all the puppies with white chests. U people sicken me. U should look at your imperfections before u look at those of an innocent animal.


Answer by Mr RednRust
Submitted on 4/20/2004
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Below I have entered the AKC'sdetermination on the white patch on the chest of Doberman Pinscher's. The above posting by HowlingWolf is only Half correct he should have stated the pure white or albino dobies are not recognized by the AKC. not that any amount of white hairs on the chest of a Doberman is an automatic disqualify for being a registrable, breed-able dog is not only incorrect it also makes him out to me at least that he does not know this breed as well as he thinks.

Color and Markings
Allowed Colors: Black, red, blue, and fawn (Isabella). Markings: Rust, sharply defined, appearing above each eye and on muzzle, throat and forechest, on all legs and feet, and below tail. White patch on chest, not exceeding square inch, permissible. Disqualifying Fault: Dogs not of an allowed color.

thank you  and yes mini pinschers are no relation to Dobermans at all


Answer by Piere
Submitted on 8/11/2004
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et oui oui oui tis becoz oz za pure' bredness


Answer by Kyla
Submitted on 1/5/2005
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No!, It could be just the color from its mother or father an so on.
And if it has papers it shouldn't be a non-pure bread dog


Answer by FrOgGeR
Submitted on 4/18/2005
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Look who ever wants to discriminate dobies yall r just dumb yall r saying all these things about them who cares what they look like i have one and i dont care what she ever looks like i will always love her and she will always be my baby


Answer by THEDON
Submitted on 5/20/2005
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Answer by _*HEaRtBrEaKeR*_
Submitted on 6/29/2005
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Answer by Willdorf
Submitted on 9/29/2005
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The white spotting on the chest is due to the S locus, and and the 4 different choices are:

S - Self Colored
Si - Irish Spotting
Sp - Piebald
Se - Extreme Piebald

I have a Rat Terrier / Australian Kelpie mix that is S/Sp and she's got white on her arms, legs, and a large blaze from her chin to her stomach.

S/Si usually results in a very small white patch and could occur due to your dog being say a Rat Terrier / Min Pin mix or maybe just a simple mutation.

Dogs gotta mutate - or else they would all still look like wolves.


Answer by db
Submitted on 9/30/2005
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i think you got problems.Of course, if your min pin isn't pure bred and he looks different then DUH it's because he's not pure. Why don't you get a life and get over it. You're lame and secretly angry for the fact that you ain't pimp enough to have a pure dog. don't be stupid, use your common sense.


Answer by TEENA
Submitted on 10/23/2005
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i have a female min pin with this same problem she has a small white spot on her chest and also on her left foot but she is registered with ckc


Answer by Ambio
Submitted on 11/23/2005
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Amber Age:10
No just because he has white  does not mean he his not purebred but according to my Miniature Doberman Care Manual it says"The Miniature Pinscher is a bit smaller than the Toy Manchester Terrier, but looks very similar to it and to its large cousin, the Doberman Pinscher." I copied that right out of the book. Even if your dog might not be purebred, you still have a dog and you are thankful that you have an animal companion.  


Answer by seadunali
Submitted on 1/17/2006
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Hello I just got my first puppy It is a miniature doberman and I have no idea how big they get or what they like .Do anyone knows?


Answer by sanr
Submitted on 2/20/2006
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Are you referring to the Minature Pinscher?
Also known as Min Pin a toy size which looks identical to the Doberman Pinscher but is not related. My Min. Pinscher is 11 week old
named Zeek. He has small amount of white which is where the black and rust colors join on his chest. I would appreciate advice on this as well.


Answer by PinLover
Submitted on 3/19/2006
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Mine has a white patch on his chest also. It must be common.


Answer by kyzer
Submitted on 4/27/2006
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hi does anyone know should a dobe have any white markings on his chest and back paws


Answer by channah24
Submitted on 9/14/2006
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Let's not loose sight of the fact that the original post wasn't even about a doberman.  Miniature Dobermans do not exist.  They are miniature pinschers and the MINIATURE PINSCHER IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE BREED. So to finally answer the girls question...
Amanda... the AKC standards regarding white on a miniature pinscher are as follows:
Solid clear red. Stag red (red with intermingling of black hairs). Black with sharply defined rust-red markings on cheeks, lips, lower jaw, throat, twin spots above eyes and chest, lower half of forelegs, inside of hind legs and vent region, lower portion of hocks and feet. Black pencil stripes on toes. Chocolate with rust-red markings the same as specified for blacks, except brown pencil stripes on toes. In the solid red and stag red a rich vibrant medium to dark shade is preferred. Disqualifications -Any color other than listed. Thumb mark (patch of black hair surrounded by rust on the front of the foreleg between the foot and the wrist; on chocolates, the patch is chocolate hair). White on any part of dog which exceeds one-half inch in its longest dimension.

You can see that the small amount of white does not mean it is NOT a purebred only that it may not be of show quality.  Furthermore,if your puppy is not registered then you have NO assurance that it is purebred.  Regardless of purebred status or white markings, you have a lovely companion that would benefit well from being spayed or neutered.


Answer by aracely
Submitted on 11/2/2006
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i have a minature doberman and that breed does exist. when we go to give it shots the paper says it is a minature doberman.so you are wong rachel. so i u better say it does exist


Answer by 420 gal
Submitted on 11/9/2006
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actually, i was just trying 2 solve an argument between a friend & i. she just got 2 puppies that she swears r minature dobermans, & i told her there was no such breed, & she continues 2 insist they r in fact mini dobies. thank u very much, i'm totally sending her this!!!!!!!


Answer by Dr.Gilliam
Submitted on 5/11/2007
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well , it just means that the dog's mother or fathers mom or dad was not entirely an exact breed of the Doberman species .


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