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misc.transport.air-industry posting guidelines FAQ

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Archive-name: air-industry/posting-guide
Last-modified: 1997-Nov-01
Posting-frequency: Bi-Weekly (11th/27th of each month)

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Welcome to the moderated misc.transport.air-industry newsgroup. This 
group is intended for discussion of the airline/air travel industries. 
Discussion of personal air travel belongs in the group. 
Buying and selling of travel belongs in the group.  
Buying and selling of aircraft belongs in the rec.aviation.marketplace
group.  Technical discussions of aircraft design belongs in the 
sci.aeronautics.airliners group.  

The moderators' goal is to maintain an active and open discussion 
without burdening readers with excessive traffic that is not relevent to 
the newsgroup's charter. 

This file is the "m-t-ai posting FAQ."  The following guidelines
specify what role the moderators will play in determining the content
of this group.  A separate FAQ will include answers to various
questions that are frequently asked on the group.  This file is posted
twice per month.

Recent Modification History

01-Nov-97  Added pointer to DejaNews for accessing related newsgroups
12-Aug-97  Provided new references for airline and airport codes
11-Aug-97  Added to related newsgroups
23-Jul-97  Added "nospam" address policy
06-Jul-97  Updated moderator list
27-Jan-97  Fixed typo, added warning about leaking confidential information
19-Jan-97  Updated moderator list
12-Jun-96  Added notice of classified postings
12-May-96  Minor corrections and clarifications
10-May-96  Added suggestions about citing sources
29-Feb-96  Added rejection for posts written in a language other than English
29-Feb-96  Added references to rec.aviation.marketplace
29-Jan-96  Added suggestions for changing subject lines and editing
           quoted text
29-Jan-96  Added alt.flame.airlines to list of related newsgroups
12-Jan-96  Added sci.aeronautics and alt.disasters.aviation to list of
           related newsgroups
09-Sep-95  Added section on airline/airport abbreviations and how to
           obtain a list of codes
12-Aug-95  Expanded list of related newsgroups and added descriptions.
12-Aug-95  Added sci.aeronautics.airliners to introduction section and 
           did some reorganization
18-Jul-95  Updated moderator list
16-Jul-95  Added section on how to post articles to misc.transport.air-industry
15-Jul-95  Finally received permission to cross-post to misc.answers and

Subject: WHAT WILL M.T.A-I MODERATORS ACCEPT? Any posts that discuss issues regarding the air industry are welcomed here, provided they do not fall into the reject category (see "WHAT WILL M.T.A-I MODERATORS REJECT?" below). Appropriate discussions would include, but are not limited to: * Airline deregulation in Europe, effect on member states, and passengers. * The financial health (or lack thereof) of airlines. * Airliner models as related to airline routes, resource allocation, capacity, etc. * Comments about the industry from insiders (most US airlines have one or more employees who read/post to the net, we hope to attract serious comments from these posters to this group). * Discussion of all aspects of airline management. * Fare changes and discussion of their effects on airline yields. Press releases from airlines and other airline industry-related corporations (i.e. Boeing, Airbus, McDonnell Douglas, IATA): * As long as the content is largely informative and not blatant advertising. * Announcements of fare sales, route changes, aircraft purchases, leases. Topics can range from small cargo charter operations in the far east to major international passenger carriers such as British Airways, American, or Lufthansa. All aspects of commercial aviation operations are welcome. [ As a trial, we are taking some of the more "commercial" and less "discussion-oriented" posts and posting them seperately in digest form with the Subject: [CLASSIFIED] misc.transport.air-industry classified for (date) Anyone who submits something that will go in a "classified" posting will receive a response saying, "This will be posted in the misc.transport.air-industry classified in the next week." Examples of things that will be accepted: (1) major airline seeking Boeing 727 captain with 3000 hours experience, email" (2) "737-300 for sale, Herb, call me at 1-800-BUY-BOEING" (3) "airliner models wanted, email some@other.guy" (4) "AN-124 for lease during the month of April" Here's what we WILL NOT accept in the classified postings: (1) buying and selling of airline tickets or frequent flyer miles (2) anything non-airline-industry relevant (baseball cards, etc) (3) resumes/CVs. job postings are fine but NOT resumes. (4) posts over about 20 lines (which automatically stops resumes :-) ]
Subject: WHAT WILL M.T.A-I MODERATORS REJECT? The following types of articles will be rejected: 1. FORMAT PROBLEMS Posts rejected for these reasons will be returned with a note explaining why. For the time being, the moderators will lean on the side of leniency. A. Post does not quote enough of the previous post to provide an understandable level of context. B. Post quotes a long previous post in its entirety and does not provide any new content. "I agree" posts fall into this category. C. Post quotes text without proper attribution. D. Post includes an attribution line for a previous post, without including any of material to be quoted. E. Post has a "nospam" return address where the "nospam" appears in the hostname part of the e-mail address. For example: is legitimate, but will be rejected, possibly without any indication from the moderator. F. Followup postings that do not have an adequate "References:" header. The "References:" header allows threaded news readers to place the post in its appropriate sequence, along with other articles on that subject. Without the "References:" header, news readers treat the post as if it starts a new thread. If this happens to your posts, please complain to your local system administrator to provide better news posting software. G. Posts not written in English (unless a particular audience is targeted). 2. COMMERCIAL POSTS Any post that involves the intent to sell or buy something directly [but see the interim note about the m-t-ai classifieds posts above]. These types of posts will be returned to the poster with a pointer toward and/or rec.aviation.marketplace: Examples: Tickets for sale, frequent-flyer coupons for sale or trade, looking for tickets, become-a-travel-agent-and- get-free-travel-that-isn't-really-free, cheap calling card offers, pyramid schemes, scams. Hyped-up press releases will also be rejected. In addition, off-topic posts selling things NOT related to travel will also be automatically rejected. These include spams and other cross-posted messages (usually on how to make money). 3. MISDIRECTED QUESTIONS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS The following types of posts will be returned to the poster with a pointer toward The general rule of thumb is that misc.transport.air-industry is a forum for discussions about the industry in general, while discussions about personal travel belong on * "What is the 800 number for Air Foobar?" * "What is the cheapest fare between Podunk and Peadum?" * "Please suggest a good travel agent in Peoria." * "How do I do courier travel?" * "Does anyone have experience with Air Foobar?" or * "Let me tell you my recent horror story with Air Foobar!" * "I want to blow up Air Foobar's corporate headquarters because my luggage got lost, so what would be the best explosive?" * Announcements of new web sites that pertain to air travel. * "Which is more comfortable, Air Foobar or Air Barfoo?" The moderators will accept the above types of posts *IF* they are related to the industry. Example: * "Airfares between Podunk and Peadum have systematically risen ever since Air Foobar pulled out of the market." * "Will travel agents be able to survive after the commission cap?" * "Courier travel is being declared illegal." * "Is Air Foobar's service deteriorating?" * "How well is the XYZ baggage system working?" * New web pages linking to airlines. * "Has Air Foobar's tight seat pitch prevented them from attracting business travelers to buy high-yield, full-fare tickets." 4. MISCELLANY Misc.transport.air-industry has a large (and growing) readership, which includes professionals from several airlines and other industry-related companies. In an effort to maintain a professional and interesting level of discussion, the moderators will reject posts for the following reasons: * Posts that contain profanity, particularly when the article offers little other redeeming content. * Duplicate posts (from the same poster) or identical posts on the same topic (from the same or different posters). As the newsgroup readership grows, the amount of traffic is starting to increase. The following suggestions will make the group easier to read: * Use an appropriate subject line on your posting. If a thread moves to a new area, be sure to change the subject line. * Be sure to edit down quoted text to the minimum possible. To keep the level of discussion as professional as possible: * If you are quoting text from a printed source, please explicitly state the title, country of publication, date, and page number so that others who wish to investigate further may try to do so. Similar information would be helpful even for non-printed sources such as television documentaries or news programs. And finally, * Be careful to avoid posting proprietary business information or other confidential matter. Most companies, including airlines, will take severe action (including termination) if they discover that you did leak information.
Subject: HOW TO POST TO MISC.TRANSPORT.AIR-INDUSTRY Generally, you should be able to post to misc.transport.air-industry as you would any other newsgroup. Your posting will automatically be forwarded to the misc.transport.air-industry moderators. The moderators will review the post to make sure that it conforms to these posting guidelines and then approve it for distribution. If your article is rejected, you will receive a note explaining why. Because your article needs to be approved, you should not expect to see it appear immediately in the newsgroup. The post will usually appear within a few days of your submission, and usually faster. If, for some reason, you find yourself unable to post to the newsgroup (e.g. your submission does not appear in the newsgroup and you do not receive a note from the moderators), you should contact your local news administrator. Most posting problems are caused by misconfigured news software. If all else fails, you might try framing your post as an e-mail "Reply." Draft your (follow-up) article as if you were e-mailing a reply to the original article. Change the "To:" line of the e-mail to, Please, only use this approach as a last resort and ask a local guru for help if these instructions don't make sense to you.
Subject: WHEN ALPHABET SOUP IS NOT A TASTY DISH Each airport is assigned a three-letter abbreviation, and each airline has a two character (letters and numbers are used) abbreviation. Regular readers to the group recognize an amazingly large number of these codes, and regular posters use the codes liberally in their postings. As a rule, you should limit the number of airport/airline codes that you use in your postings. If you wish to use a code that is not widely understood, then define the code when you first use it. For example, instead of: RG will begin non-stop service between JFK and GPS on July 13th. The flight will depart JFK at 3:00pm and arrive GPS at 3:02pm. you should say: Varig (RG) will begin non-stop service between JFK and the Galapagos Islands (GPS) on July 13th. The flight will depart JFK at 3:00pm and arrive GPS at 3:02pm. Note that JFK (New York's Kennedy airport) is a common enough abbreviation to probably not need explanation. The International Air Transport Association (IATA) provides a search engine for locating airports by three-letter code or by city name: The Airport Search Engine is a bit more powerful. It lets you search for airports by IATA abbreviation, city, or country: You can search for airline (two-letter and three-letter) codes at the IATA web site. Another list of the most common airline codes is available at the following URL:
Subject: RELATED NEWSGROUPS Note that all of these newsgroups may not be available to you. If you cannot access them, please contact your news administrator or use DejaNews ( * General discussion of air travel, often from a passenger (rather than industry) perspective * Buying and selling of any travel-related item * rec.aviation.marketplace Buying and selling of aircraft and related non-travel-related services * rec.aviation.* Discussion of flying from an aircraft owner/pilot/hobbyist perspective * sci.aeronautics Technical discussion of flying in general * sci.aeronautics.airliners Technical discussion of aircraft design * comp.simulation Discussion of simulation of all sorts * alt.disasters.aviation Discussion of aviation disasters * alt.flame.airlines For those who are angry about airlines * Discussion of air travel in Britain
Subject: LIST OF MISC.TRANSPORT.AIR-INDUSTRY MODERATORS Helen Rose <> Ronald Cluett <> Kevin Cuddeback <> Christopher Davis <> Daniel Grove <> Eric Olesen <> Sandeep Singhal <> Stephan Tolboom <> Gordon Werner <>
Subject: WHERE TO OBTAIN THIS FAQ If you are not reading this file on misc.transport.air-industry, news.answers or misc.answers directly, you may obtain the most current version at: in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers (/pub/usenet is a link to pub/usenet-by-group). This is an anonymous site--you ftp there as anonymous, and use your email address as your password. The file is: If "ftp" sounds like alphabet soup and it doesn't mean anything to you, there is another way to retrieve the file. Simply send an email message to, subject ignored, with the body of your message saying any or all of the following: send usenet/news.answers/air-industry/posting-guide You may also send them the following message to learn how to ftp: send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources The FAQ files are also accessible over World Wide Web at text/faq/usenet/air-industry/posting-guide/faq.html This is the end of the misc.transport.air-industry posting guidelines FAQ. --==*-< >-*==--

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