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Why did Australia join the Vietnam war?

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Question by pezz
Submitted on 9/8/2003
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Why did Australia join the Vietnam war?


Answer by crash
Submitted on 10/25/2003
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reasons for australias involvement

 

Answer by Deanie Duck
Submitted on 10/27/2003
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Australia joined the Vietnam War as it is in the Asia Pacific Area.  It was also at the 'encouragement" of LBJ, President Johnson that Australia should join as it was in our best interest, and sold the Prime Minister a whole heap of bullsh*t.  Very similiar to what George "Whackjob" Bush did with the war in Iraq to our Prime Minister John Howard.  America has involved Australia in a lot of wars, very unfortunate for us Aussies.

 

Answer by Ben Dover
Submitted on 11/13/2003
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Australia was in the vietnam war. we come out of it with peace and love.

 

Answer by MacFaghroy
Submitted on 11/24/2003
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Well you see, the president of the united sates lost his dlildo and he thought it might be somewhere in Vietnam and that Ho Chi Minh might be using it so he declared war against them. The Australian Primeminister was outraged by this and decided to help the President recover his lost dildo.

 

Answer by Warwick
Submitted on 11/29/2003
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Prodominently, the reason for Australian involvement in the Vietnam War was the fact that it wanted to join the Communist Russia (or USSR during this time). America on the other was capitalist (meaning: people owned the state). This time was called the Cold War as it was a technology race between the two super-powers of the world. With the Russians gaining support from China, America was unwilling to let any other countries join the Slavic side. Vietnam was stating that it was preparing to become apart of the USSR, America has no choice but to intervien. Australia being the ally that it still is today, looked to help the low moralled South Vietnam which was still allied with the idea of capitalism. Australia sent advisors to train the South Vietnamise Army. Latter this would turn to be a full-blown conflict between the North and South.

 

Answer by Celtic Trooper
Submitted on 2/25/2004
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The freaking g thing was a waste of time, the cold war, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, all a load of crap

 

Answer by Jessica
Submitted on 3/6/2004
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I think australian men wanted good roots so they had to go to other fukin countries to get that.

 

Answer by Meeko
Submitted on 3/25/2004
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America is a gay place to live and Aussie is way better...

 

Answer by Bronwyn
Submitted on 3/27/2004
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Regional Security...well thats what they thought then.....big mistake....but arnt all wars big misakes....I think we should put the leaders of the counrty in a boxing ring and they can fight for and with their own lifes instead of others.
Aust...500men dead...18,000 saw service in vietnam ....3632 wounded...

 

Answer by box head
Submitted on 4/4/2004
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hi how are you going i think that vietnam is a POW country that should be bombed, because its so POW i believe it should also be taken off the world map. Vietnamese freaks.

 

Answer by Kurt Brag
Submitted on 4/28/2004
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Australia was to scared to stand up to America, America is the devil because they think the are so good cause they lost 57 thou but south vietnma lost over 120 thou and viet cong lost over 900 thou, well there you Australia were to scared, boo ya

 

Answer by jiggy
Submitted on 5/5/2004
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war is a bad thing but unfortunatly sometyimes is needed to get rid of di*kheads in other countries who are causing CRAP...australains are always loyal to their friends and thats why we always help America which should make Aussies proud...John Howard is a great PM and Georgwe Bush is good too.

 

Answer by mmmmm.....
Submitted on 5/31/2004
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you are all a bunch of idiots who have not even closely answered the question nothing of what you have written has probably helped this poor guy asking the question

 

Answer by nun ov ur business
Submitted on 5/31/2004
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h3llOOOoooOOo pplz we need 2 get a good understanding of wat the vietnam war is... soo if don't fukin noe anything dont botha coz ur wasting ur time

 

Answer by bOoTiFuL fAiRy
Submitted on 6/1/2004
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i think australia should stop sticking up americas ass. they say that it is good for australia if John Coward sticks up Bushes ass. it is so dumb because australia was never under terror attack alerts, until john coward decided to help bush fight his own war. BASTARDZZ

 

Answer by Nick
Submitted on 6/8/2004
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Fukn John Howard is a fukn ass hole George wanka Bush is the same if it wasnt for the wanka Bush none of all these terror attacks would be happening and I've got the balls to say everything to these 2 gronks them both should go up each others ass and rotate.

 

Answer by dani
Submitted on 6/15/2004
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YOU ALL SUCK IS SITE IS DUMB AND GOT NO RESSON TO BE ON THE INTERNET

 

Answer by BOBO
Submitted on 6/15/2004
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the Vietnam war was totally unjustified because of the fact that it was a civil war and the Americans Australians and french had no right to stick there noses into other peoples business

 

Answer by raen.the.vain
Submitted on 7/7/2004
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hmmm, i agree with whoever said this site is a waste of space. why don't you just search google for your answers on the Vietnam war. in addition, it is useless voicing opinions here, as only a select few people will read them. why don't you just write to bush and tell him you think he's an ass, it's much more direct.

 

Answer by Radagast
Submitted on 7/12/2004
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Another case of creepy-crawley for the Yanks.
If the Americans did a big joby on the Australian Liberal party, it would be an honour for them!

 

Answer by p-LAGARISE
Submitted on 8/3/2004
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Introduction
This posting is the first of two intended to provide an overview of Australian military
operations in Vietnam, commencing from the deployment of the Australian Army Training Team
Vietnam in 1962 until 1969, when Australian forces began withdrawing, consistent with the Nixon
Doctrine of phased withdrawal from the mainland of Asia and the policy of Vietnamization.
While the second will deal primarily with the political decisions to become involved in the
Vietnam war, suffice to say for the moment, that the Australian commitment to Vietnam was
largely dictated by political concerns and was therefore limited by the same concerns. The
predominant theory of defence during the sixties was the containment of communism and
"Forward Defence". Both of these policies relied heavily on the presence of America in Southeast
Asia combating the perceived Chinese threat. In Vietnam, this translated into the policy of
supporting American military involvement and encouraging the continuation of this involvement
until such time as China was sufficiently dissuaded from any further adventurism or Australia
could more capably defend itself.
Australian Army Training Team Vietnam
Australia's initial commitment to supporting the American stance in Vietnam consisted of
the deployment of a team of military advisers. On 26th July, 1962, the Minister for Defence
announced Australia's intention to send 30 instructors to the Republic of Vietnam, 4 going to the
Military Aid Council Vietnam (MACV) Headquarters in Saigon, 22 to regional locations in the Hue
area and 4 to Duc My.1 This team would be headed by Colonel F.P. Serong, previously the
Commanding Officer at the Jungle Training Centre, Canungra, Queensland and would fall under
the command of the Australian Army Forces, Far Eastern Land Forces Headquarters in
Singapore.2 The AATTV arrived in the Republic of Viet Nam in August, 1962.
AATTV advisers served with ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) units, including
infantry, artillery and armoured divisions, independent regiments in the I Corps area (the northern
province of RVN),regional and provincial headquarters, the Viet Nam Police Field Force, US
Special Forces, Montegnard Special Forces and CIA operations.3 With the escalation of
Australian forces in Vietnam in 1966, Australian advisers also served with 1 Australian Task
Force (1ATF) at Nui Dat.
The primary role of the AATTV was to train ARVN and other forces in the use of
weapons, jungle warfare, tactics and strategy. In addition, especially after the Australian
government allowed them to serve in battalion and smaller size formations, they took liaison
roles, calling for airstrikes and arranging logistical support and medevac facilities4 They usually
operated as individuals or in small groups of two or three. After 1963, the AATTV came under the
operational control of MACV HQ in Saigon.
It was intended that the AATTV would represent Australia's commitment to the American
operations in Vietnam, and as such, would not have a significant military impact, however, the
success of Australian advisers, not the least Captain Peterson's training of the Montegnard
Special Forces in Dar Lac Province, became quickly known throughout Vietnam. Peterson
established Armed Propaganda and Intelligence Teams (APIT) from amongst Montegnard
tribesmen in Ban Me Thout, designed to disseminate propaganda, collect information and
establish a network of informers, disrupt Viet Cong infiltration and supply routes, conduct small
scale raids, ambushes and similar minor operations and to conduct long range patrols into Viet
Cong 'safe areas', rescuing captured Montegnards and liberating equipment and ammunition.5
Building on these gains, Peterson established a 'People's Army' just prior to his departure, which
at that stage had effectively regained control over much of southern Dar Lac. Despite the
inadequacies of the ARVN forces in protecting pacified areas, and the racial problems between
Montegnards and ARVN personnel, Peterson had succeeded in regaining the upper hand in the
Ban Me Thout region.
AATTV techniques and method of operations were significantly different to many of those
employed by their American allies. Experience in the jungles of Malaya and Borneo and
limitations on the number of and facilities available to personnel had combined to produce very
different tactics. Whilst American instructors expounded the virtues of the rapid deployment of
large numbers of troops, massive fire power and decisive battles, Australians concentrated on
individual marksmanship, the independence of platoons from battalion HQs, small scale patrols
and ambushes. These differences frequently bought Australian advisers into conflict with their
American superiors. The Australian policy of 'economy of effort' was directly opposed to the
American idea of 'concentration of force'.6
The AATTV served with distinction in Vietnam. During AATTV's tour of duty, members
were awarded two [sic] Victoria Crosses, several Military Crosses and several Military Medals.7 It
was the first Australian force to arrive and the last to leave. After the initial deployment of 30
instructors, it was increased in size by 30 in May 64, by 23 in June 64 and then by 17 in January
65, bringing it to a total strength of 100. It was restricted from further increases by the introduction
of a National Service Act (1965) in Australia which required large numbers of instructors. The last
instructors were withdrawn from Phuoc Tuy Province in December 1972.
The First Deployment of Australian Ground Forces
In April 1965, consistent with President Johnson's deployment of US Marines to protect
airforce bases in Vietnam, Prime Minister Robert Menzies announced his intention to send 1
Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (1 RAR) to assist in the defence of American bases. 1 RAR
was restructured into a tropic warfare organisation, similar to that employed by the American
army and was to serve under the US 173rd Airborne Brigade (Separate) (US 173 Abn
Bde)defending Bien Hoa airforce base.8 Initially it was intended that 1 RAR would only be used in
defence of the base but by December offensive operations had begun in conjunction with 173
Abn Bde.9 During 1 RAR's tour of duty, 22 major operations were conducted, usually within 10-20
miles from Bien Hoa.
Like the AATTV, significant problems were encountered in operating with US forces.
These were compounded by poor equipment, including WWII Owen machine guns and boots,
and no decent preparation before embarkation.10 The operational problems they encountered will
be discussed below, suffice to say here that they were not sufficiently resolved until 1 ATF was
established with its relative independence. Despite these limitations, however, the Australian
regiment was successfully integrated into the 173rd Abn Bde until it's tour of duty was completed
in June 1966.
1 Australian Task Force, Phuoc Tuy Province
In March 1966, the Australian government announced its intention to create a single and
relatively independent Australian Task Force. This came largely as a result of political pressure
on the Australian government by Washington but was also consistent with the dominant foreign
and defence policy trends within Canberra at the time. However, there was good reason to create
the Task Force from a military point of view also. Not only would Australians regain some control
over their troops, they would also be permitted to conduct operations in a manner consistent with
their experiences and techniques. Consideration was also given to the limited resources available
to the Australian command in Vietnam and the need to pool these in order to have a more visible
effect.
Phuoc Tuy Province was situated in III Corps Tactical Zone and had a population of
160,000. At the time the Australian Task Force arrived, it was a relatively wealthy province,
agriculturally rich and had a comparatively prosperous coastal economy.11 It had been a base for
anti-French activities after WWII and was familiar with the Viet Minh presence that accompanied
these activities. Despite having two large Catholic migrant towns, it was also a popular base for
Viet Cong activities throughout the period of Diem's authority.12 Operational in Phuoc Tuy were
the 274th and 275th NLF Regiments and D445 Provincial Mobile Battalion, a local force with
strong links to the population, an intimate knowledge of the area and assured supplies 13
Phuoc Tuy was chosen because there was a reasonable amount of enemy activity, no
risk of border violations in the pursuit of the enemy and it had excellent air and sea access
ensuring adequate supplies and an assured evacuation route. The terrain was not dissimilar from
that often encountered by Australians in Malaya and Borneo.14 In addition to this, the pacification
of Phuoc Tuy was essential to the Republic of Viet Nam because of it's wealth and to the MACV
because of the significance of Vung Tau port and the supply line (Route 15) to Saigon and Bien
Hoa.
The exact placement of the Task Force was to be Nui Dat, a hill on Route 2, heading
north through the centre of the province, and was an obvious challenge to the NLF and NVA
forces in the area. The Logistics and Supply Group (1 ALSG) was to be situated in Vung Tau
where it had good access to American supply groups and where it was hoped that it would be
somewhat safer from large scale attack.15
The Task Force was to be comprised of 2 infantry battalions (5/6 RAR were the first to
serve in 1ATF), artillery (including some New Zealand elements), engineers, signals and
administrative support, under the command of Brigadier O.D. Jackson. 1 ALSG, situated in Vung
Tau, consisted of 176 Air Dispatch Company, 2 Field Ambulance, 33 Dental Unit, 2 Composite
Ordnance Depot and the 101 Field Workshop of Royal Australian Electrical and Mechanical
Engineers.16 Since August 1964, No.35 Transport Squadron R AAF had been situated at Vung
Tau and one year after the arrival of 1 ALSG, (June 1966) No.9 Helicopter Squadron was also
situated in Phuoc Tuy.17
1 ATF's objectives in Phuoc Tuy were never very clear. Because it came under the
operational command of US II Field Forces Vietnam (II FFV) but under the National command of
Headquarters Australian Forces Vietnam, the Commander 1 ATF had to reconcile sometimes
inconsistent objectives. Westmoreland told Jackson to "take over Phuoc Tuy"18 this representing
the sum of operational commands to 1 ATF whilst from COMAFV, directions were only a little
more specific. The aims of 1 ATF were defined as the security and domination of 1 ATF's
assigned area, the security of Route 15, the conduct of other operations as required, conduct
operations anywhere in II Corps Tactical Zone and in Bin Thuan Province, II Corps Tactical Zone,
as required and agreed up on by COMAFV.19 The actual practicality of these aims was hard to
assess but it seems that this meant 1 ATF was to act in both a pacification role as well as a large
unit to counter main force activity. COIN operations would require frequent contact and close
coordination with ARVN forces and the civilian administration, yet the advisory positions in ARVN
and the administration were dominated by Americans. Alternatively, large scale operations
against main force units required more manpower, mobility and fire support and could not
adequately be completed by two battalions, one of which would be required for base security at
all times.20
This obscurity when it came to the nature of operations 1 ATF was to engage in did
provide the Commander with some degree of operational freedom. It was not long before the
Australian forces had applied their own style of operation. The base at Nui Dat, whilst its
presence was readily felt in the area, was not cleared as were American bases and few ARVN
personnel and no indigenous Vietnamese were allowed in to the base. This meant that troop
strength at any one time was hard to gauge and security was excellent.21
It was D Company of 6 RAR that first encountered the enemy in strength at Long Tan on
the 18th August, 1966. In engaging and severely damaging D445 Regiment, 1 ATF had
established a moral and later physical victory over the NLF in Phuoc Tuy. The TET offensive of
February 1968 also contributed to the relative demise of the VC 5th Division (274 and 275
Regiments) in the region, due to the heavy casualties they took. In order to combat the
decreasing strengths of the pre-existing NLF forces in the province D440 was created in 1967,
however, this too proved relatively ineffective, not being a local force so much as comprising
large numbers of NVA personnel.22
In November 1967, 1 ATF was increased in size by an extra battalion (including of NZ
artillery) and was reinforced by a squadron of Centurion tanks. This was largely in response to
the deteriorating military situation in Vietnam and the possibility of a TET offensive. General
Vincent (COMAFV, Jan. 67 to Jan. 68) was enthusiastic to increase Australian forces either to
enable them to take responsibility for all of Phuoc Tuy or alternatively to allow 1 ATF to operate
more tangibly outside Phuoc Tuy Province.23 As a result, in January 1968, 1 ATF was ordered to
occupy an area 12 km north of Bien Hoa airforce base with a view to preventing any expected
TET assault. 1 ATF successfully engaged and defeated the enemy in February (as it did an
offensive in Baria at the same time) and returned to Nui Dat. It was again called on to help defend
Bien Hoa in May.24
If Vincent was enthusiastic about Australia's role in the war, then McDonald, his
successor, was passionate. McDonald was keen not to see Australian operations limited to
"[saving] the odd house from being burned to the ground" in Phuoc Tuy. In gaining U S support
for operations against the VC in the Long Hai Hills in March 1968, McDonald believed the US was
attempting to hasten Australia's victory over the enemy in Phuoc Tuy so as to get 1 ATF
operational in areas of more strategic importance.25
By 1969 and the beginning of the US withdrawal from South Vietnam, II FFV had reprioritized
its aims and instructed the then COMAEV, General Hay, that 1 ATF should do likewise.
First priority was to be given to pacification, second to upgrading ARVN forces and thirdly to
military operations. Pacification operations began in May 1969 however, hampered by
unenthusiastic ARVN forces, they proceeded slowly. The success of the ATF in forcing the
withdrawal of NLF mainforce units and the provincial battalions (the remnants of D445 and the
newer but understrength D440) was countered by the maintenance of the VC infrastructure in the
villages.26 Thus, as the Task Force withdrew in December 1971, the remaining AATTV members
presided over the gradual return of NLF in Phuoc Tuy.
The Royal Australian Navy (RAN) and Royal Australian Air Force
(RAAF) in Vietnam
As part of the policy of encouraging American involvement in Vietnam, and as a result of
his convincing victory at the polls in November 1966, Menzies decided to increase Australia's
military commitment to Vietnam to include elements of all three services. The commissioning of
two Charles F. Adams guided missile destroyers in 1965 and the impending replacement of
Canberra bombers by F-111s had made available to COMAFV additional sources for Australian
expansion in Vietnam.27
RAAF:
Since August 1964, elements of No.35 Squadron (Transport) consisting of fixed wing
Caribous, had been stationed at Vung Tau in order to assist in the movement and supply of 1
RAR. With the establishment of 1ATF and 1 ALSG in June 1966, No.9 Squadron (Helicopters)
were deployed to provide logistic support, troop movement and medevac facilities for the Task
Force. Both of these commitments were relatively insignificant except in so far as they represent
a desire to have Australians supporting Australians in Phuoc Tuy. Both units served as essential
support for 1 ATF but added little to the ongoing American involvement.
Perhaps one of the most significant RAAF contributions to the Vietnam war was the
deployment of No.2 Squadron (Canberra Bombers) to Phan Rang in April 1967. The Australian
5th Airfield Construction Squadron had completed the provision of Australian facilities by the time
the first eight of ten bombers arrived. The bombers were to undergo usual maintenance in Phan
Rang but had additional facilities at Butterworth, in Malaysia for major maintenance.28 The entire
contingent consisted of approximately 300 men and came under the command of USAF 35th
Tactical Fighter Wing.29
At the height of Australia's military involvement in Vietnam, RAAF personnel numbered
around 800 people from three squadrons. The Canberra Bomber squadron was the first
summoned home in March 1971 followed by the remaining RAAF personnel in August.
RAN:
The Royal Australian Navy's contingent to the Vietnam war was somewhat more
substantial. The first RAN personnel to see action were the six members of Clearance Diving
Team 3. CDT 3 was initially part of the Inshore Undersea Warfare Group 1, based at Cam Ranh
Bay but itself was assigned to Vung Tau from February 1967. It was largely responsible for
assisting in harbour defence, Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD), harbour patrols and port
command and communications during Operation Stabledoor (1967-1970).30 In addition to these
responsibilities, CDT 3 was called on to conduct marine salvage operations, especially where
EOD might be called for, river clearing in preparation for riverine military operations and recovery
of enemy ammunition.
The largest RAN contribution however was supplied by the deployment of Australian
destroyers to Vietnam. The destroyers came under the command of COMNAVFORV, primarily
operating with the US Seventh meet and in March 1967, HMAS Hobart, was the first to see
action.31 HMA Ships Hobart and Perth alternated sixth month deployments until March 1969
when Australia's newest DDG, HMAS Brisbane arrived. Brisbane was replaced by Vendetta, a
Daring Class Destroyer which was in turn replaced by Perth and Hobart respectively before
completing RAN participation in the Vietnam conflict.32 Hobart, being the first RAN vessel to arrive
in Vietnam under combat conditions, participated in Operation Rolling Thunder's maritime
equivalent, Operation Sea Dragon. This was designed primarily to intercept Water Borne Logistic
Craft (WBLC) and bomb military and logistic targets north of the DMZ. Sea Dragon was
suspended in November 1968 during Perth's second deployment. After this, RAN vessels'
primary task was to provide Naval Gunfire Support (NGFS) for ground operations near the coast.
Whilst the threat of naval or air assault on Australian vessels was not very large33, as was
the threat of sea borne mines. However, during inshore operations against WBLCs and in support
of amphibious assaults, the ships were somewhat exposed to ground fire. In September 1967
Perth was hit by fire from a shore battery whilst in the pursuit of WBLC. Australian vessels were
also used in conjunction with 1 ATF in Phuoc Tuy. In May 1970 Hobart relieved USS St Paul and
provided NGFS for Australian troops in the Long Hai Hills.34
The Royal Australian Navy also played a considerable role in the deployment of
Australian troops and supply to 1 ATF and RAN vessels in the Gulf of Tonkin. Primary amongst
these was HMAS Sydney, an aircraft carrier converted into a troop transport. 1 RAR was
despatched aboard HMAS Sydney from Sydney to Vung Tau in May 1965. HMA Ships Jeparit
and Boonaroo acted as supply ships for Australian forces in Vietnam and were particularly
important in supplying HMAS Vendetta with ammunition during its deployment.35
Other aspects of RAN involvement in Vietnam included the dispatch of 8 pilots and
support staff for retraining and posting with US 135th Aviation Company at Vung Tau in October
1967. The RAN Helicopter Flight Vietnam (RANHFV) was used for troop insertion and as
gunships for support fire. The RAN also provided pilots as part of a detachment to No.9 Squadron
RAAF at Nui Dat, operating in cooperation with 1 ATF.36
The Royal Australian Navy personnel in Vietnam totalled 2800. As far as possible RAN
forces were directed to operate in cooperation with 1 ATF in Phuoc Tuy Province, consistent with
the concept of having an Australian sphere of influence. Whilst operational command was
reserved for COMNAVFORV, the degree of integration with Australian forces was maintained
until the last RAN vessel, HMAS Sydney departed from Vung Tau in February 1972.
Assessment of Australian Military Operations
AATTV: Quite obviously if the general method of operations practiced by Australian forces was
significantly different to those employed by US forces, then so to would the training techniques.
The AATTV, in instructing Vietnamese officers, often found themselves contradicting or being
contradicted by US advisers. In addition to this, such was the social status acquired by being an
officer in ARVN that Junior officers were discouraged from humiliating their seniors by learning
more than they. Particularly if one trained junior officer was expected to serve under an untrained
(by AATTV or others) senior officer.37 AATTV advisers serving with Montegnard units found that
ethnic rivalry between Montegnards and the Vietnamese often resulted in 'no shoot' agreements
being made with the NLF and VC forces entering Vietnam via Laos or Cambodia. Peterson's
Montegnard Special Forces at one stage in 1964 even rebelled, marching on ARVN forces in Ban
Me Thout.38
AATTV operations under COMMACV were quite successful. There were few problems in
the actual command system, save that there were disagreements over methodology when it
came to instruction. AATTV's only real problems came from working with the ARVN forces, whom
they frequently found to be unenthusiastic, lazy and often corrupt.
1 RAR and US 173rd Abn Bde:There were again general differences of opinion between these
two units as to the conduct of operations. The Airborne Brigade was designed for large
deployments and heavy firepower whereas 1 RAR, even though restructured to suit the American
style, with its COIN experience in Malaya operating individually from larger units was unfamiliar
and uncomfortable with these type of tactics.39 One such example of this was 1 RAR's training
with helicopters. In Malaya, up to 4 helicopters, primarily for medevac purposes, was all a
company could expect or need. There was no requirement for the calling of air strikes and little for
artillery strikes. Yet at Bien Hoa, the latter of these two were frequently practiced, due to the
number of enemy being engaged, and up to 40 helicopters were effectively at the disposal of the
battalion.40 Unlike subsequent Australian forces, there was little association with ARVN forces
and no reliance on them.
Australian Task Force:1ATF met with mixed successes during its five years in Phuoc Tuy.
Initially, 5 & 6 RAR encountered large scale opposition and attempted to combat NLF political
structure. Given the limitations under which 1 ATF worked (poor equipment, ambiguous
objectives and unfamiliar combat environment), it could be asserted that it was quite successful in
doing this.41 Long Tan and the subsequent follow up missions severely damaged NLF main force
units in the region, however, it is was apparent that the relative speed with which the NLF
reasserted itself in the years of ATF's withdrawal indicates the failure to win the hearts and minds
of the people, a tactic essential to the defeat of communist terrorists in Malaya and Borneo.
The increase in size of 1 ATF in November 1967 introduced new problems and new
challenges to the Australians. From January, 1 ATF operated in engagements outside of Phuoc
Tuy. These were again large scale operations and required some degree of integration with
American forces. Similar problems to those experienced by 1 RAR in 1965 were encountered,
somewhat lessened in effect by the larger size of 1 ATF (two battalions were distributed through
three bases; Balmoral, Coogee and Coral) and its increased independence from II FFV HQ. The
defence of Bien Hoa during the TET offensive in February 1968 was successful in so far as 1
ATF maintained a relatively high enemy body count and weren't themselves overrun. However,
the nature of the war was such that victories in large scale battle counted for little. It was hoped
that 1 ATF could secure a credible victory in Phuoc Tuy, one similar in nature to Australia's
military experience in Malaya, where the enemy was totally wiped out, the people supportive of
the Australian presence and the province safe from subversion. ...an effect, a lasting and
significant impact on the province, culminating in the battle of Binh Ba in June 1969. 1 ATF
returned to Phuoc Tuy, after several redeployments to Bien Hoa, and engaged in the third phase
of their operations, the pacification of Phuoc Tuy.42
This phase, from about mid-1969 to 1971, met with mixed success also. Although
carrying out operations which Australian troops were more familiar with, the degree of success
encountered was somewhat less than expected. The reasons for this relative failure include not
only the ineptitude of ARVN forces, cooperation with whom was essential in maintaining an allied
presence in any given area, but also several rather glaring deficiencies in Australian planning. An
ambitious project by Vincent in 1867 to create a minefield barrier from Dat Do to Phuoc Hai,
described by Westmoreland as "imaginative", had resulted in a substantial number of casualties
(almost thirty) in operations in the Long Hai hills in May 1969 and again by 8 RAR in January
1970.43 Whilst it may have been the responsibility of ARVN forces to patrol the minefield, it was
apparent that Vincent was remiss in expecting them to do so. In addition to this, Larsen identifies
one major deficiency in the Australian civil aid program, claiming that lack of coordination with
local administration often resulted in poor planning and inadequate maintenance of completed
projects.44
Quite clearly the major reason for the failure of 1 ATF to complete a total victory in Phuoc
Tuy was the lack of cooperation between ARVN and 1 ATF and the failure of the civil aid program
to win the support of the populace away from the NLF. Australia's attempts to train and equip
RVN local units and their reluctance to allow these units any significant participation in the
pacification program, coupled with the failure of these local units to perform adequately, destined
Phuoc Tuy to be returned to the influence of the NLF on the ATF's withdrawal.
Conclusion
The Nixon (Guam) Doctrine announced in July 1969 and the British decision to quit East
Of Suez by 1971 led to a radical rethinking of Australian defence and foreign policy in Southeast
Asia. Consistent with the withdrawal of American forces from Vietnam, Australia also withdrew,
the last Australian troops to leave being the AATTV. The defeat of the Liberal-Country Party
coalition government coincided with this final withdrawal. Australia had spent ten years actively
involved in the conflict in Vietnam, sending almost 47 000 [sic] men, almost 500 of whom were
killed and about 2 400 wounded. Australia paid its own way through Vietnam, employed its own
tactical methods, adopted its own province and pursued its own political ends. Australian's were
noted to have hated everybody, the truth of which may lay under a mixture of racial prejudice and
discontent at the limitations they were placed under compared to the excesses of their American
allies.



 

Answer by other way
Submitted on 8/5/2004
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i think that it was right to send people to war. What happens if we were under Communist leadership? Australia would be corrupt like Russia and its countries today.

 

Answer by errr
Submitted on 8/12/2004
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You guys are all gay and need to get a life

 

Answer by Dani
Submitted on 8/13/2004
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poo poo u all this is a gay ass sight so y would u come on it i have 1 thing 2 say GET A FUKEN LIFE ALL OF U!!

 

Answer by DildoMcPotsmoker
Submitted on 8/19/2004
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John howard takes it up the pooie and licks soggy saos

 

Answer by Some.guy.who.hate.you.all
Submitted on 8/25/2004
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your all stupid, research something before you post something, one of the reasons that we stick with America is because of the treaty we have were if we are under attack, then they will help us, and i guess they expect us to return the favour, even though it seems we haven't really been asking for any recently, but if we don't stick with them we may lose the support of one of the worlds strongest powers, but i do not agree with what was done in Vietnam or Iraq

 

Answer by jonh
Submitted on 9/20/2004
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hi im guy asl plz

 

Answer by goods
Submitted on 10/12/2004
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u r all cocks stop paying out bush on a website and get out there and do something gaybos

 

Answer by PyckkuPavil
Submitted on 10/14/2004
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We have been constantly bombarded with american propaganda. We now have gays becoz of them.

"I RECKON WE SHOULD BE MORE AUSSIE AND LESS AMERICA!!!"

And burn thin mouther F@ker Down.....

 

Answer by BRANIAC
Submitted on 10/16/2004
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§   Australian support for South Vietnam in the early 1960s was in keeping with the policies of other nations, particularly the United States, to stem the spread of communism in Europe and Asia. In 1961 and in 1962, Ngo Dinh Diem, leader of the government in South Vietnam, repeatedly requested assistance from the US and its allies to improve its security. Australia eventually responded with 30 military advisers, dispatched as the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam, known as "the Team". Their arrival in South Vietnam during July and August 1962 was the beginning of Australia's involvement in the war in Vietnam. By early 1965, when it had become clear that South Vietnam could not stave off the communist insurgents and their North Vietnamese comrades for more than a few months, the US commenced a major escalation of the war, and by the end of the year it had committed 200,000 troops to the conflict. As part of the build up, the US government requested further support from friendly countries in the region, including Australia.

 

Answer by Fengy
Submitted on 10/18/2004
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i think australia join the veitnam war because menzies sees this war as a invitation to American invesments. which he trying to set australia an image of rich nation. even thou it was the most unpopular page in australian history. but the world position of australia change from just a english colony to a strong milatary alliase of the european

 

Answer by shooting_star888
Submitted on 10/20/2004
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australia went to vietnam coz america told em to so we did. and lotsa men died. how sad
:(. and now were goin to iraq coz americans told us to. and lots of people will die now. how sad :(. if england is supposedly our "mother" country, whe do we talk orders from the bloody americans???

 

Answer by Hannah
Submitted on 10/29/2004
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I think it's really immature that people put in answers like, "because the American President lost his dildo." What's the point of submitting anything? I came onto this site to find answers for a history assignment I'm doing and all I find is "the American President lost his dildo." I can hardly put that in my essay, can I?

 

Answer by Cookie!
Submitted on 11/1/2004
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Wow u ppl are all weird!! y bother goin on here if u dont even have an answer!!! i think u shood all lay off John Howard he is a hell PM!! so nerr!!! Australia joined the Vietnam War because America asked us to join and we needed stronger alliences so we helped them!! aint we nice!!

 

Answer by nel
Submitted on 11/6/2004
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they joined the war because they were trying to help the Americans defeat the communists and because of the domino theory (meaning when 1 country falls to communism others will follow)they were scared that other Asian countries would fall to communism (Vietnam) and then it would be them so they were trying to stop it before it began

 

Answer by RSP
Submitted on 11/11/2004
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australia has become amaericas but monkey

 

Answer by bob chicken
Submitted on 11/14/2004
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why would you waste your time answering a question about the vietnam war? get a damn life? And Meekos answer is the only sane one

 

Answer by who cares what my name is
Submitted on 1/24/2005
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i think that all the people should be happy that bush is our president instead of making fun of him just support him the world will be so much better if you just quit complaining. who cares about why australia helped vietnam!!!!!!!

 

Answer by chidj
Submitted on 3/17/2005
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The Americans are afraid of communism they fooled other countries into getting involved in the Vietnam war for the OWN security, not to mention the cold war with Russia (again communism). They made the communist north look bad especially during the war (although America committed so many more war crimes).

 

Answer by DoNkEy KoNg YeAh
Submitted on 3/30/2005
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they got involed because they went left on the train track and that lead them there

 

Answer by benny
Submitted on 4/14/2005
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its cool but it also sucks beacause they stole the priminersters dildo

 

Answer by BLAH
Submitted on 4/17/2005
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hek, i think it was because of communism

 

Answer by Amanda24
Submitted on 4/24/2005
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Australia got involved in the Vietnam war because of SEATO.  Look up Australian Treaty Series 1955 No. 3  on askjeeves.com  Pay special attention to Article 4.

 

Answer by bj lover
Submitted on 4/28/2005
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The vietnam war vetrens where not recignised for there corage for several years after infact the where descriminated because of it!!!

 

Answer by asssssssssssss
Submitted on 5/3/2005
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stop livin in the past.....if you want the answer....go back in time and ask the pm who made the decision

 

Answer by A random dude
Submitted on 5/5/2005
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Vietnam was afught because communism was spreading across asia and it might end up comming to Australia so australia went to nam because the americans wanted them to. After a hot and steamy night between john Howard and George Bush

 

Answer by i am a loser
Submitted on 5/8/2005
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i am stupid i dont no how about that rate this

 

Answer by i am a loser
Submitted on 5/8/2005
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i am stupid i dont no how about that rate this

 

Answer by i am a loser
Submitted on 5/8/2005
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i hate it

 

Answer by i am a loser
Submitted on 5/8/2005
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hello everyone i am a loser

 

Answer by yar
Submitted on 5/8/2005
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hihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihih

 

Answer by Jasmen Cairam
Submitted on 5/13/2005
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Answer by Just trying to help.
Submitted on 5/17/2005
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Here...i'll try to help. Australia was in alliance with the US, and in around...1961 or 62 Ngo Dinh Die, (leader of the gov'tin S. Vietnam) asked help from the US and it's allies. Australia didn't respond right away but eventually they responded, and that was the beginning of Australia's involvment. Later on people in Australia started anti- war protests saying the war could not be won....I hope I helped a little.

 

Answer by way to cool for skool
Submitted on 5/19/2005
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hi i think that every1 should be more like me peace n luv!!!!!! and yes i am just kidding people hav to much pride har har har

 

Answer by Ladygirl
Submitted on 5/21/2005
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they went so they could rape the viet soldiers and the women in villages

 

Answer by BOB
Submitted on 5/26/2005
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haha..u ppls r funny..nd i no its sad that im even on this site..but i jst happened 2 stumble upon it. AUSTRALIA'S PART IN THE VIETNAM WAR WAS DECLARED BY PRIME MINISTER MENZIES AS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO SOUTH VIETNAM. HE THOUGHT THAT THE TAKING OVER OF SOUTH VIETNAM WOULD BE A DIRECT MILITARY THREAT TO AUST ND ALL COUNTRIES OF SOUTH ND SOUTH EAST ASIA... ....could be wrong...but thats my answer.

 

Answer by surfagurl
Submitted on 6/16/2005
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1.   During the war against communism there was a physical attack occurring in Vietnam. For Vietnam to be taken over by the enemy would cause a military threat to Australia to be taken over aswell. Therefore Australian troops entered into combat to help and protect Australia from invasion.
2.    Australia was and still is allied to America. America was involved in the war against communism and asked Australia for help. As the two countries were allies Australia felt it was their duty to enter the conflict in Vietnam.
3.   Australian citizen’s feared communism as it was portrayed as scary and threatening by the media and the government. Australians feared communism would change their way of life therefore felt the need to enter the conflict in Vietnam. The country wanted to avoid communism becoming law in Australia.
The ANZAC (Australian New Zealand army corp.) treaty is designed and put in place to state that during any needs of both the countries that the other would come to aid. The two countries decided this as they are both small and to come together would make them larger creating a stronger corp. As Australia entered the conflict in Vietnam it was New Zealands duty to enter.

 

Answer by FAGGET
Submitted on 6/28/2005
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IM A FEGGET HOW ABOUT YOU SUK MY DIK ILL GIVE YOU $1000

 

Answer by Forest Gump
Submitted on 8/1/2005
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I was in the vietnam war and a bullet jumped up and bit me. They gave me ice-cream in the hospital and i like table tennis

 

Answer by loui M
Submitted on 8/3/2005
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hi, stuff u american ass holes and john howard too he should stop following george bushes ass and find his own 4 once

 

Answer by sore thumb
Submitted on 8/7/2005
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i have a sore thumb and that is why i think Australia got involved in the vietnam war 30 years before i was born.

 

Answer by Sami
Submitted on 8/14/2005
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There were two reasons for Australia's involvement in the war. 1: The fear of the spread of communism. People believed that one by one Asia