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Question by mistabud
Submitted on 3/20/2004
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i would like to ask a breeder how game their dogs are but i am afraid that they won't sell me a puppy due to the fact that they think i will fight it. i am between a rock and a hard place. can you guys shed any light as to how i can go about asking these kinds of questions without raising and speculation?

Answer by pitchic
Submitted on 3/22/2004
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hey,yea i know what you mean.i could give you a link to some game apbt boards and kennels if you'd like.they would prob be more helpful.if the people ask you why you pups want to know if there dogs are game or not just say something like your into hog catching or just something like that.because now in tennessee a pit can become ch and grand ch from hog catching.so that might also break the ice about asking them that.well hope i helped.my e-mail is pitgurl@hotmail.com if you want that link or just wanna talk pits.


Answer by EvilEdna42
Submitted on 3/26/2004
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First of all - I hope you want to know about the gameness of the parents through curiosity and not a wish to fight these fantastic dogs.  Because that, no matter how hard people try to dress it up by saying "oh, pit bulls love to fight", "they don't feel pain" or whatever, is just downright inhumane.  No dog should ever be trained to or made to fight.


Answer by johntrout
Submitted on 4/12/2004
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Just tell them you want a puppy from a game game bred pit line and not just a pretty show bred pit.  If they get insulted tell them to f*ck themselves and quit ruining the breed by breeding for looks over quality.


Answer by CH
Submitted on 4/17/2004
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Oh, by the way, if you need a game ass puppy or two I can direct you to where some could be attained, generally for less money than "pits" who have had their gameness bred out.


Answer by CH
Submitted on 4/18/2004
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My last reply doesn't make any sense, since they cropped off the FIRST TWO THIRDS of it, for "clarity" I guess. The only problem is that is was perfectly clear BEFORE it was cropped, and clear as mud now.  But just remember that anyone who breeds exclusively for looks, size, big heads, or ANYTHING to the exclusion of gameness is ruining our breed.  Hopefully you will get to see all of this message.


Answer by newjerseyrocks
Submitted on 5/16/2004
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YOu people make me sick- don't fight your f***ing dogs! I'm sure I will see you all on Animal Planet hopefully getting arrested! You are low life scums and should seriously consider investing your time in a real job instead of fighting your pits! You are not helping the breeds reputation! It is people like you that ruin the breed and give it the bad reputation that is has. YOU ARE SICK AND SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A GOLDFISH!!!!! Work on the dog to get along with other dogs, not fight with them.


Submitted on 5/24/2004
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Answer by CH
Submitted on 5/27/2004
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jessie winter, what the hell are you answering?  No one said or asked anything about pit bulls getting mean.  If you are confusing gameness with aggression then maybe you should do some reading.


Answer by AmBull Owner
Submitted on 6/2/2004
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Tell them CH. A lot of people on this forum are the same people giving pits and american bulldogs the bad reps. They have no idea that show quality dogs are bred for looks regardless of working ability.To NJ, gameness is the desire of a dog to please its owner regardless of fatigue or injury. It is sought after in all working dogs and is not only associated with fighting. If you want a pretty useless dog by a show pup or a puppy mill pup.


Answer by AmBull Owner
Submitted on 6/2/2004
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Just ask a true breeder breeds for gameness.


Answer by Iggy
Submitted on 7/7/2004
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CH, you make a very good argument for gameness.


Answer by shady lane pit rescue
Submitted on 9/7/2004
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we have rescued pit bull terriers for 20 years and other terrier breeds as well. It sounds like many of you are forgetting something very important.  Pitbull terriers are half terrier (hence the name: bull and terrier which they were known by).  All terriers are "game" (some more than others).  Game is the terrier personality.  Without it, you do not have a "true"  terrier type dog.


Answer by ATL
Submitted on 9/21/2004
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Mad props to CH. He hit the nail right on the head. Much love.


Answer by Pitbull Breeder
Submitted on 9/26/2004
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I think all pitbulls have gameness thats part of their attribute of this breed. True though it is how they are brought up by their masters. They are a very protective, strong natured feisty, affectionate and most adorable dog with so many good qualities. It is such a shame that people that Fight these dogs give them such a bad name.


Answer by jac
Submitted on 10/26/2004
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CH why do you think all staffs are curs i live in england and there are a lot of game ones here theyre just are equivilent to pit bull i guess all you ever seen are the blocky show-curs staffs have the same problems as pits


Answer by jac
Submitted on 10/26/2004
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ive got a gamebred staff who i hunt fox and badger with he weighs 32 pounds and i am sure  as a working dog is good as any pitbull his weight and staffs have been bred only for game since the breed bull-terrier begannot as multi-function dog like the american pitbull who were just staffs until they got bred bigger and more man-aggresive
if you aproper game bred staff which makes up alot the breed you would probaly think it was a pitbull which basically it is.


Answer by Stitch
Submitted on 11/5/2004
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my 2 cents. one of my friends own several pitbulls and he DOES fight them. but never once have they even hinted aggresion toward a human being.

i have another friend who also has several pits who DOESN'T fight them. and 1 of them has growled at me (a sign of aggresion) and another got very shaky around me (his lips were shaking, which means he was angry)

ok, so see how the fighting dogs wont show aggresion toward a human and the non fighting ones did. and as for "game"....

game can be many things depending on who you talk to. a game pitbull can mean he is bred to pull weight. (look it up on google if you want) a game pitbull can mean he/she will fight, never giving up, and always happy. game can also mean doing all that hog/cattle gathering as well, though i have never met anybody with one of those)

and for the record, the one pitbull i have has never showed me any aggresion, even when i tried to make her (i tried cause if she did, id beat her ass) she knows better. i can put my hand into her food dish, take her food, toys, water, snacks, anything i want, and she wont growl.

my wife has a siberian husky, and her dog will growl at you if you walk toward her while she is eating, playing, etc etc.

so in general, i believe if you have a game dog, it will be a loyal dog. if its not game, it may snap as fast as any other dog you will come across. game dogs are bred to be loyal (most importantly) and great at whatever it is they are bred for (fighting, pulling, gathering etc etc.)


Answer by itiswhoitis
Submitted on 1/8/2005
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i agree with CH ,just cause you cant aford a p.p dog its not are fault . njrsy rocks in your socks sucks alot of .....


Answer by viki
Submitted on 3/1/2005
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i just came up on this site and am curious to what gameness means.  CH i  agree that where you live you would need a dog that has "balls" so to speak but what if you live in a community with children? How would you know if a bit bull had game or not.  I wouldn't want one with a fighting quality, and how do you breed that quality out of them.
Just curiouse


Answer by jimbo
Submitted on 4/6/2005
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Did anyone know that Mother Nature let nearly all animals on EARTH fight? Wolves FIGHTING in a serious fight exact like pit bulls!SILENCE, no bristled hair and till total point of exhaustition.If one of the contestants has the chance he kills the other.Im sure humans looked in old times only at Mother Nature and then they created the best selektionsmodel ever......and then of course the best dogs.......(SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH GREATINGS FROM GERMANY HAMBURG).


Answer by odog
Submitted on 4/30/2005
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the only inhumain thing about dog fighting is access to adiquit vetenery services for deep game gladiators or not so game loosers . they all need fixing


Answer by Mike
Submitted on 5/10/2005
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Save your breath CH, It sounds like all your wisdom is falling on deaf ears.  Some people just don't get it.  Just think how much more enjoyable your life is with a purpose.  Dogs are the same way.  God forbid a dog could be useful for something other than amusing shallow people with its beauty.  Gameness is what makes a dog useful, whether it be pulling a cart, herding cattle, or guarding your loved ones.


Answer by dummeh
Submitted on 5/19/2005
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Hey CH can you email me to direct me to find a pup thanks wa1ker2002@yahoo.com


Answer by BOOMER
Submitted on 6/22/2005
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Answer by rolldawg
Submitted on 8/22/2005
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Pitbulls are a breed of dogs born with the will to fight!:love it or hate it,theirs no denying it.unless of course it is a cur. a cur is a dog thatis bred for a specific task that the dog cannot complete. so a pitbull would be fighting if the dog refuses to fight its a cur.A begle wont hunt its a cur.A greyhound wont race its a cur.not to say a cur isnt a fine pet.curs are fine pets.a cur just wont do what it was breed for.so to insure that the breed uphold its charteristics that seperate it from other breeds a cur needs to be culled.so if you have a PitBullyou can raise it how ever you feel like I can only ask that you treat it it as if it were game. What i mean is to avoid more negative news coverage .keep your dog away from other dogs.if you want a dog that will play well with others get another breed of dog.pitbull owners must be very well disiplined. NEWS FLASH ALL DOGS HAVE TEETH ALL DOGS CAN BITE......LEASH LAWS ....


Answer by candyraindrops
Submitted on 9/11/2005
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wow....im buying a pit pup in 3 weeks when its old enough.. and i was wondering since the parents to my dog are my best friends pits...and i dont even know if she'd know what i was talkin bout' if i asked her bout' gameness...is there any way i could tell myself since im close to her dogs???


Answer by AnmlLvr
Submitted on 10/17/2005
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While gameness is an attribute in pit bulls, i heartily wish there was some other way to test for it. I understand the values it imbues to the breed, but i do not approve of allowing two dogs to rip each other to shreds, regardless of how inclined they are to fight. It does not mean they enjoy being hurt.

To say all show-bred lines are worthless is a pretty harsh statement. While many people are attempting to breed the gameness out of the line, heading more towards looks, there ARE breeders who breed for looks but also compete in weight pulls and other activities. Are these people ruining the breed because they want a nice looking dog? Or because they don't assure the gameness through pit tests? I don't believe so. While these animals have been bred into fighting, it is not all they can do, nor is it a very good thing for them to do. I commend your dog for protecting his home, but i would expect no less from a pit.

As you pointed out yourself, there are separate lines. Am Staffs are not to be confused with pit bulls, however this does not make them worthless dogs. They are valuable companions to those who own them, and they do still retain many of the pit traits, although much of the prey drive was bred out of them. To say that a sh*tty pit bull is the same as a staff is an insult to a breed that doesn't deserve such. we understand that you love your pit, but don't insult other breeds without reason.


Answer by bigmoney
Submitted on 2/7/2006
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I have owned all type of breeds, over my lifetime. And now that I have got a true game bred pit, I would never go back to any other breed. I live a 1/2 mile off the road, and have 4 kids. My wife never wantedto own a pit(because of all the bad hype) but since we did a lot of reading, and kept an open mind, we finally got one. It was the best choice in dog breed ever, and I only wish we would have know this long ago. The show pits,(bullys) are not true pits in my mind, most are out bred with English bulldogs, and other dogs to get the big heads, and short bodies, and that type of dog should not be call a pit. A game bred pit is the ones that most all American families use to have in the early 1900's , because they where trustworthy dogs. So yes the game pit can , and will show aggression to other dogs, and this is in its genes (and not the way it was raised) But as for your kids , and people they are very safe , and well protected. I am talking about the game bred pit, and not the show bulls , they are 2 different breeds. Gameness is a very good trait, if you understand it.


Answer by kev moon
Submitted on 6/22/2006
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mistabud i cant fault you m8 you need to know what your getting you know what you want half the people on here telling you you are wrong are show bread interbreads them selfs any way good look in findin a nice game dog


Answer by Sinbad
Submitted on 8/4/2006
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Answer by Ana
Submitted on 8/26/2006
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I don't understand why everyone is argueing. This is just pitbulls. If you do fight them, then whatever, that's your choice. But I'm glad you don't. I hope you end up getting your dog.


Answer by assholehater
Submitted on 9/2/2006
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its the fighting people ruining the breed,get a life you assholes,i supose your game dogs also include the oversized tubbs that look MIXBRED and im sure they are and getting 2-3-4-5-6 grand a puppy,shall i name them off????????????????????????????????????????


Answer by protectionK9
Submitted on 11/16/2006
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listen. i train dogs for a living big small all. i specialize in protection and narcotics detection dogs. pitts that dont have gameness are useless, put it this way its like buying a pickup truck thats not 4by4, got it. gameness in pits is there whole work ability if u cant work a large breed dog in some way shape or form just go out and buy a fukkin pomeranian.


Answer by PitMan
Submitted on 12/14/2006
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CH you make some good points. But the fact of it is the only way you truly know how "game" a dog is, is to have a mock fight, which is totally unacceptable, but in theory I guess you could tell how game a dog is by how game it's ancestors far back are and also how well it performs in sporting events such as weight pull, or agility. May i ask why exactly you are concerned about the "gameness" of your dog? Are you planning on doing a sport with it? Also for more info check www.pitbullcorner.com , it has tons of great info in the forum section.


Answer by mia
Submitted on 2/2/2007
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we should save as many animals as we can so we still have some thew are only little amount of animal in this control we need to SAVE-them as quickly as possibe. SO ADOPT A ANIMAL NOW!!!!!!!!!


Answer by Carolinapits
Submitted on 2/10/2007
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Asking a breeder if his dogs are game is not a crime. Gameness is not only the will to fight.Gameness in pit bull can be manifest in many different ways like weight pulling, Field trials, shutzund, and many other activities. This gameness is the same gameness that makes them hang in there for the long haul whatever the task at hand is. A true game dog will totally ignore pain or fatigue in order to accomplish the mission at hand. Good luck finding dead game these days. All those dogs have since passed. You can only hope to get that in a dog.


Answer by Brian
Submitted on 2/15/2007
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CH and AMBull are obviously the only two people on here who understand what "gameness" is.  Breeding a APBT without gameness is like breeding a terrier who won't go to ground, a sled dog that won't pull, a Collie that won't herd, a pointer that is scared of birds, etc. You get my point.  Gameness does NOT equal aggression, nor is it a "dog fighting" quality.  Gameness, as someone put it, is the dog's desire and FOCUS to try it's hardest and please its owner, regardless of injury, fatigue, or distractions.  Yes, gameness was a very important quality in APBTs when they were pitted in fights.  Now, however it is an important quality when competing in such sports as agility, schutzhund, and weight pulling.  


Answer by Shortie
Submitted on 5/5/2007
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I agree that it is all around important to have a gamebred dog. My dog is a mix between a Australian Shepherd, a lab, and a Doberman pincher. She's no pit, but she is game to the core. She is my farm dog, and my closest companion, and she would go to the ends of the earth for me. And with your definition of game, it is VERY important for a dog to have this kind of personality around children.

My fiance's sister had a very food aggressive dog, who would chomp as hard as he could if you were CLOSE to him. I would rather not have a dog like that.


Answer by cassie
Submitted on 5/22/2007
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give me 1000.000 1 thousand dollars and you can have the puppy just please dont hurt it they are full bread beagles and very cute


Answer by MoneyBoy
Submitted on 6/8/2007
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CH I found your article to be very informing and I liked everything up until the Staffordshire part. I've seen plenty of Amstaffs, including my own, that completely follow your description of gameness. I don't think it's fair to say that all Amstaffs are bred for show. I know at least that the breeder I got mine from bred his strictly for "game" quality, not just for their good looks. Maybe you can shed some light on why Amstaffs are grouped into the show dog category.


Answer by stoney
Submitted on 7/4/2007
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not everyone in jersey is as f'in dumb as njdumbass up there he didnt ask for your piece of sh*t opinion about ne thing mind your  own business
as far as findin out about gameness askin the right????  dont ask bout anything involving the []or  testin over the phone find out what blood theyre runnin? how tight it is? and the ped number if theyre online and your pretty much know what your gettin best of luck

eli 4 life


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