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WHERE TO SKATE - WESTERN NORTH AMERICA
Last modified: Monday, September 16, 1996
Recent changes include:
* Added Vancouver, BC info from Flatline (7/2)
Table of Contents
* Alaska
* Arizona
* British Columbia
* Colorado
* Hawaii
* Idaho
* Montana
* Nevada
* Utah
* Washington
* Wyoming
Other sections of Where to Skate are:
* California
* Central North America
* Northeastern North America
* Southeastern North America
* Abroad
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General Notes
George Robbins' "Roller Skating Rink List" can be found at the URL:
http://www.netaxs.com/people/grr/Roller/.
From: khand@primenet.com (Kathy Hand)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 01:01:01 GMT
Re: 500 Great Rail Trails
I ordered this book a couple weeks ago (from Book Stacks Unlimited,
online) and it finally came. It is published by the Rails to Trails
Conservancy, a non-profit group devoted to converted abandoned
railroads and the like to trails for various sporting activities.
The book lists trails by states. For each entry, they list the
beginning and ending of the trail, the type of terrain (dirt, asphalt,
concrete, etc.), the type of activities for which it is appropriate,
the county where the trail is located, and the length. Each section
has a map of the state with the trails listed by number. They also
tell you who to call for more information on each trail.
I would have liked better directions or a more detailed map (or both),
and it also would have been nice (for us out-of-shape beginners) to
read whether the terrain is flat or hilly. But all in all, it is well
worth the $9.95 price, particularly if you travel and are always
looking for a safe place to bike, skate, run, etc. (Shipping is $3.50,
regardless of how many copies you order, apparently.)
You can order it online by pointing your Web browser to:
http://melville.books.com
You can also call 1-800-888-7747 ext. 11 to order by phone (MC or
VISA) or send a check to:
Rail-to-Trails Conservancy
Shipping Department
P.O. Box 295
Federalsburg, MD 21632-0295
From: grr@tharsis.com (George Robbins)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:10:07 GMT
Re: National Parks
The park service has a _national policy_ that give individual park
directors the option of allowing only those activities that are "safe
and compatible with the goal/character of the park", and most then
play it safe by forbidding skating. The best action you can take,
aside from sending a nice letter to the park director, is to send some
money to the IISA [International In-Line Skating Association] and
encourage them to attack this policy at the national level and aim for
one that allows skating to be prohibited only when demonstrably unsafe
or seriously inappropriate.
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Alaska
Anchorage
From: witzbupp@corcomsv.corcom.com (Gil Kruschwitz)
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 13:41:43 -0500
I think anyone coming to Anchorage should be sure to bring their
blades. We have miles and miles of bike trails (groomed for diagonal
and skate skiing in the winter) including 20 paved miles along Chester
Creek and Cook Inlet, connecting the University, Downtown (hotels,
etc.) and Kincaid Park). The trail has cracks in some areas and short
sight distances in a few places but is generally smooth and in good
condition. There are several tunnels and a few bridges but no road
crossings and relativley little foot traffic out of the immediate
downtown area. There are several hills but they are gentle enough to
run with little or no braking, unless the wind is blowing downhill.
Skate season is generally late April/early May to the end of October.
Much of the trail is through natural areas and it is unusual to not
see moose. Eagles and beluga whales are often in the inlet right below
a portion of the trail. For the last five years, I've skated the trail
from a point a few blocks from my office to Kincaid and back (about 9
miles each way) after work almost every day that weather has allowed
and can't imagine getting tired of the terrain and scenery.
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Arizona
* Phoenix/Scottsdale
* Tucson
Phoenix/Scottsdale
From: shooshie@onramp.net (Shooshie)
Date: 15 Sep 1994 09:36:22 GMT
I travel a lot in my work as a music director/arranger, and I take my
Aeroblades with me wherever I go. I am in the Phoenix area a lot, so
when I discovered the trail on Hayden Blvd. in Scottsdale, I was in
blade heaven. There are over 20 miles of interconnected trails, and
lots more if you consider all the skate-friendly sidewalks and
streets. Some of the under-street tunnels flood right after a rain, so
you have to be prepared to stop, turn around and go over the streets
if the weather has been bad during the past week. I just got back from
a two-week stay there while making a video at the Phoenix Symphony
Hall. I spent every spare minute on that trail, and discovered some
great things I had not even noticed before. For anyone who might be
interested, here's the scoop.
There is a recreation center on Indian School and Hayden. It is called
the Indian Bend Wash Visitor Center. Large parking lot, big plaza,
lots of concrete, stairs of every configuration, walls, jumpable chain
fences, concrete-surrounded palm trees at regular intervals for slalom
fun, skatable restrooms and water. Up behind it was a big surprise - a
small skating rink, about the size of a tennis court, and square.
Smooth concrete, with ramped sidewalks all around, stepped edges
growing out of an incline from zero to three steps, and a nice view to
boot. Skate down from the rink onto the plaza (be careful - the
concrete joints radiate outward... you _will_ drop a skate in one now
and then) and you will find a trail leading between volleyball courts
and baseball diamond, and it leads you to a tunnel under Hayden which
connects with the aforementioned trails. The main trail is superb,
from rolling to moderately steep hills, but none so terribly long as
to be painful. It winds around through parklands, around ponds, next
to streams, behind golf courses, and goes under most of the streets.
One street crossing is at an arched pedestrian bridge which gives a
nice boost going down the other side.
But the best part of the trail is... "the Wedge!" It's about a 15 or
20 minute skate from the visitor center along the trail. At any time
of day or night you are liable to find the experienced skaters here
showing their stuff, and it's pretty impressive. You hear about it
from street skaters who speak of it reverently, although most of them
have not been there and seem to register a certain awe or fear of
actually finding it. The Wedge is a long (about 60 yards?) concrete
dam right next to a huge concrete plaza (with wooden expansion joints
- nothing's perfect) underneath a wide street bridge. The bridge
provides merciful shade from the desert heat, and the wedge provides
the site for some great jumping. At one end of the wedge is a stream
which is normally benign, but which briefly floods during the late
summer monsoons. That is the Wedge's raison d'etre. But the engineers
almost certainly had us in mind when they designed and built it. It's
just too perfect. The dam is about five feet high at its highest
point, and the entire length of it is wedge shaped such that its sides
slope upward at 55-60 degree angles. The top is broad, flat, and
smooth; I'd guess 15 feet or more across the top, and as I said
earlier, about 60 yards long. A side trail comes down from street
level, down the ravine, crosses a short bridge, right to the base of
the wedge.
You can reach quickly just about any speed you want going down the
trail. Then... you hit the incline in a crouched position, rise,
spring and shoot off the top - the sky is the limit. An expert few
manage to go clear over and across the top, airborne, (definitely not
for the faint of heart or weak of ankle) and come down the slope on
the other side. 180's, 360's, obstacles, grinds, you name it... you'll
see it all there. An aluminum picnic table provides two levels for
grinds, and barrels provide good jumping material. At night, the dark
shadows under the bridge bring out a new dimension. One side of the
wedge is visible, the other is in darkness... you learn to trust your
feet. The chatter around the Wedge is generally about competition, and
a number of the regulars travel to compete in meets. Apparently, some
of them are doing well, too. Average age appears to be about 18. I
made the mistake of using the "when I was your age" line once and
offended a guy who, at 20, was pretty much one of the elders of the
wedge community. I explained that I was nearly 40, but I don't think
he believed me; maybe it was my ponytail. Something about the wedge
knocks a few years off your age... a 15 year-old asked me if I was old
enough to buy him cigarettes.
Near the Wedge is another "made for skaters" plaza with all kinds of
stairs, walls, and such for various kinds of practice. The whole
experience of the trail and its extras is almost too good to be true.
If you get to the Phoenix area, go nextdoor to Scottsdale and find the
trail along Hayden road. The Wedge is in the southern part of the
trail, between Thomas and Roosevelt, beneath the MacDowell Street
bridge (I think... I never went up to confirm that). Let the rest of
the family go see the Grand Canyon. Go to the Wedge. It's enough to
make you want to move to the desert.
Now... if the flood control engineers of Arizona could just find it
within their needs to install a 10 foot high, 60 yard-long half-pipe
beneath the other side of the bridge...
From: R22363@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Renee Ramirez)
Date: 30 Mar 1995 08:35:27 MST
[...] in the N. Scottsdale area is the Scottsdale Airpark. It's a
large business park adjacent to the Scottsdale Airport. It's at about
75th Street and Greenway. You'll find a lot of business parks in the
Phoenix area, and a lot of them are dead on the weekends. Since the
traffic flow on a daily basis through them is light, the pavement is
still in good shape.
From: Ronald Williams (williar@pr.erau.edu)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:04:44 -0700
Pecos Road - It's a straight skate until you'll hit a dead end turn
around at 5.8 miles. This route gives you a chance to alternately duck
walk up rolling hills and get into the tuck position on the downhill.
In total, this route offers approximately 11 miles of skating with no
stops, no traffic nor any restrooms. Be prepared and bring your own
water.
Getting there - Take I-10 towards Tucson, exit Chandler to 40th ST.
(south). 40th St. deadends at Pecos Rd. Park along the road.
Perimeter Center - This route traverses an undevelooped commercial
center with very somooth pavement, plenty of right and left turns but,
again, no bathrooms. Be prepared and bring your own water. This route
offers slight incliness to work on muscle building but keep your eyes
open for traffic. Getting There - Go North on Pima Rd. from Frank
Lloyd Wright. Turn left on Bell Rd. (approximately 3/4). Look for the
Fleischer Museum. Park along the street or cul de sacs, not in the
museum parking lot.
Tucson
From: mcbride@PrimeNet.Com (Budd Turner:N7EOJ)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:46:34 -0700
_Rillito Pathway_
6 1/2 miles of two lane, multiuse, asphalt pathway along the North
bank of the Rillito ("Little River"), connecting several city parks.
Surface varies from very smooth to slightly coarse, level to slight
inclines. Accessed off River Road with parking lots at each major
North/South Intersection, and in the two City Parks midway between N/S
intersections. The path underpasses each N/S road bridge. Water
fountains are located on one or both sides of each N/S intersection,
and in the City Parks. Being multiuse makes it get busy at times,
especially mid-summer, when 100+ degree days will concentrate usage to
early morning and sundown. The pathway is closed during hours of
darkness.
_Santa Cruz Pathway_
Shorter, less used than the Rillito, 5 miles , two lane, multiuse,
asphalt pathway along both banks of the Santa Cruz River connecting
several city parks. The path underpasses each E/W road bridge. Surface
varies from very smooth to coarse, level to slight inclines. No
fountains.
_University of Arizona campus_
Lots of sidewalks, non-vehicular streets, fountains, stairs, ramps,
rails, curbs and skaters.
_Pima Community College campus (East, West, Downtown)_
Lots of sidewalks, fountains, stairs, ramps, rails, curbs and skaters.
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British Columbia
Vancouver
From: rbs@skatecity.com (Robert B. Schmunk)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 14:29:39 -0500
During a recent trip to Seattle, I also had a chance to visit
Vancouver, BC. While I didn't have my skates with me that day, I did
spot what seemed to be the locals' favorite skate-path. The place I'm
referring to is the trail which follows the perimeter of Stanley Park,
just NW of downtown. Being right on the waterfront, it doesn't offer
much challenging topography, but it did seem smoothly paved and wide
enough that bike/ped/skate conflicts shouldn't be too much of a
problem. My visit was during a weekday, and during the daytime there
were a fair number of teenagers (particularly junior high school age)
out and about. In the early evening, I noticed several cars pull into
the parking lot and disgorge a young adult or two with a set of blades
over his/her shoulders. One potential problem with this path is the
high concentration of geese in the area, suggesting that one may have
to be careful about cleaning off wheels and bearings after a skate.
From: fmcquarr@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Fiona McQuarrie)
Date: 6 Sep 1994 17:07:51 -0400
As a veteran of the Stanley Park Seawall path which Robert correctly
identifies as a prime inline skating area, I want to add to his
posting:
This path is indeed wide in most parts but in some places it is
extremely _narrow_, and as such users should be careful to follow the
clearly marked bike/pedestrian divisions. I'm not sure which side
inliners should go on, come to think of it (only having run on the
path, which is clearly a pedestrian function :), but I would say look
at others and follow what they are doing. Also there are some parts of
the path where users on bikes are asked to dismount and walk. This is
because the path is too narrow to have bikes bombing through crowds of
pedestrians....so inliners should be careful too.
From: "Kennith A. Mellquist" (kenm@angio.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 95 07:38:29 -700
As a frequent user of the track in Stanley Park, there are a couple of
other matters of interest for visitors to the Vancouver area. First,
the trail on the water in Stanley Park is one mostly for recreational
or sight seeing. The traffic in the summertime is very busy and rthere
are places where you must slow down to a crawl. An alternative is to
skate in the morning or to use the road that rings the park. Second,
the Seawall at Stanley Park also extends around False Creek (the south
side of the downtown area) and the area around False Creek is less
travelled , wider and smoother. Third, for those who are into a
straight skate, just off of the Sceond Narrows Bridge in North
Vancouver is an area called the Seymour Demonstration Forest. I
believe this is a provincial park and every weekend in the summer the
road in the Park is closed off to vehicle traffic. I believe the road
extends for about 10 miles and is very wide and quite smooth.
From: flatline@portal.ca (Flatline)
Date: 29 May 1996 06:30:30 GMT
A while ago, skaters were banned from the seawall except for a certain
area of the bikepath designated for skaters... but it was never
enforced and skaters skated it still (I know I did it alot) then peds
complained, so there were rumors (last summer I think) that they were
gonna start enforcing the rule, but instead they enforce the
"Rollerbladers on Bike Path" rule... and since they've spent the time
and money painting little rollerblade man symbols along the path, I
doubt they'll close it now
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Colorado
* Glenwood Canyon
* Breckenridge-Vail
* Fort Collins
* Boulder
* Denver
Glenwood Canyon
From: pae@indra.com (Philip A Earnhardt)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 20:17:09 GMT
About 170 miles west of Denver on I-70 is the town of Glenwood
Springs. The last 13 or so miles of this trip run through Glenwood
Canyon. As of two years ago, it is a full-blown 4-lane stretch of
Interstate highway. It is beautiful: the highway was terraced along
the north side of the Colorado River. In this section of highway,
there are four rest stops; each is a work of art. Once you view this
section of highway, you may have the same reaction I did: you will be
proud that this is something your tax dollars helped create!
Along the same stretch highway for 16.3 miles lies the Glenwood Canyon
Trail. This is one of the nicest trails I've ever skated. The four
rest areas on the path are a welcome relief from the normal lack of
facilities. Traveling at slower-than-automobile speeds gives one an
opportunity to see the natural and man-made beauty in the Canyon in
detail. Over most of the length of the path, the Colorado River is
literally a dozen feet away. In short, it's a totally awesome skating
trip not to be missed!
The trailhead is immediately east of the Hot Springs Pool and the
Vapor Caves in Glenwood Springs. For the first 2.5 miles, the trail
uses pre-existing asphalt that is pretty low-grade. At the first rest
stop, the No Name Rest Area, you pick up high-grade concrete trail for
the remainder of the trip. The No Name rest area is about 150 feet
above the river -- you will have both the steepest climb and descent
going through No Name.
Once east of No Name, you will be very close to the Colorado for the
duration of the path. At No Name, the Colorado has an elevation of
5780 feet; at Mile 10 of the trail -- the lake at the Shoshone Dam --
the elevation is 6100 feet. From there to the Mile 16, there's
probably less than another 100 feet of elevation gain. This is not a
beginner's trail, but it's not Extreme Games material, either.
The Grizzly Creek rest area comes a bit after Mile 5. The No Name
facility is not visible from the trail, but this one is. These are
awesome facilities! There is a trailhead that goes north up the
Grizzly Creek path. Don't be fooled by the fact that it starts out
paved; that peters out after about 1/4 of a mile.
The stretch between Grizzly Creek and the Shoshone Power Plant is a
major stretch of some Class III - IV rapids. If you go during the
summer, you'll see a fair number of kayakers and raft outfitters
through here.
The only features at the Shoshone Power Plant (Mile 7) exit are a big
building a parking lot, and a boat launch. The highway interchange is
interesting: while you can only exit from I-70 in the Eastbound
direction, you can enter the highway only in the Westbound direction.
The interchange at the Hanging Lake Rest Area is set up the same way.
Lack of space -- and minimization of impact to the Canyon -- forced
these restrictions.
You will find no boaters between the Power Plant and the Shoshone Dam
(Mile 10): this section of the river has a pair of Class VI (i.e.,
unpassable) rapids. This section also has the greatest climb -- about
200 feet -- for the whole trip. Immediately before the Dam, you will
cross underneath the highway. Note the individual maintenance catwalks
underneath the bridge for each lane of traffic.
You are now at the Dam and the Hanging Lake Rest Area. The two-lane
road used to go along the lake; I-70 now goes through the Hanging Lake
Tunnels. Part of the construction was to completely remove all traces
of the old highway before putting in the concrete trail and
landscaping. Again, this rest area is a work of art! As with all of
the rest stops, watch out for peds wandering on and off and across the
trail; they may not realize that they are on a thoroughfare!
From here, the trail is relatively uneventful to its end. When skating
the trail over the Memorial Day weekend (5/29/95), my friend and I
encountered a large puddle in one of the tunnels under the highway. We
wound up "borrowing" several bales of hay that the highway department
had left nearby, creating a series of steps over the water hazard.
The eastern end of the trail (Mile 16.3) is a mile or so into Eagle
County. There's a small parking facility here.
Despite the proximity of the Interstate highway, the trail is overall
fairly quiet: most of the way, the path is about 10 feet lower than
the highway. There is also a wall and ledge separating you from the
traffic.
The main annoyance is the presence of 50-100 drainage grates
periodically spaced along the path. While climbing up the path, they
pose no problem -- the spacing is too narrow to catch your wheels. You
can play a game of avoiding the gaps in the grating by precisely
setting down your skate.
On the trip down, they are a bit more of an annoyance. There are
sections of the path when you may be going quite fast and don't want
to risk anything getting caught. I recommend using very subtle
mini-jumps over the grates. If you time them right, you don't even
have to have your wheels off of the ground -- you just need to have
your skates unweighted.
Other than the grates, the main issue is your fellow trail users. As
noted above, drop your pace while cruising through the rest areas.
Many people who are wandering around the area may even recognize that
they're crossing a trail. There will be some inexperienced
cyclists/skaters/walkers on the path. Be particularly careful between
the Dam and the Power Station both when passing and being passed.
Navigation on the trail is quite simple; a map is not necessary.
Because of the rest areas, it's unnecessary to carry much water with
you. However, you should take some munchies for the trip.
I recommend doing the entire 33-mile round trip. If this is too much,
the first place to cut would be to begin and end your journey at the
No Name rest stop. This will remove about 6 miles and all of the
low-grade pavement out of the trip. A good 10-mile mini-excursion
would be to start at Grizzly Creek and skate up to the Shoshone Dam
and back. Finally, the mini-mini trip would be a round trip between
the Shoshone Power Station and the Dam.
Note: the Hot Springs in Glenwood Springs have been specially
engineered to help tired skaters quickly recover from their efforts in
the Canyon.
Safety notes: The Colorado sun is intense. Please apply a bunch of
waterproof sunscreen before starting. For your face, I recommend the
Neutrogena Sunblock Stick. This stuff won't run into your eyes even if
you sweat a lot. Helmets are mandatory for this trip. Check your brake
pads before you start -- you may want to put a fresh one on before you
do the downhills. Watch the weather forecasts: afternoon showers are
typical over the summer. You may want to start the skate early in the
day and/or have a contingency plan in place in case of an unexpected
shower.
There is a 32-page picture booklet, _A Guide to Glenwood Canyon_ (ISBN
0-9634382-1-2), that provides detailed information about the canyon:
river elevations, detailed highway and path drawings, plants and
animals through the canyon, history, geology, etc. I used it as a
reference for preparing this posting. If your local bookstore can't
order the book, Denver's Tattered Cover Bookstore (800.833.9327) can.
Breckenridge-Vail
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Date: Unknown
This is a fairly old trail; it was even re-surfaced a year or two ago.
It's an asphalt trail that runs from Breckenridge, CO to Vail, CO --
somewhere around 25 miles in each direction.
The section from Breckenridge to Frisco is fairly mundane. The section
from Frisco to Copper Mountain climbs about 600 feet in 6 miles -- a
fairly steep grade. If you are experienced in braking, the descent on
this trail is absolutely fabulous. If you're an efficient climber, the
climb is pretty fun, too -- you'll be passing a lot of tourists using
their Mountain Bikes in a fairly inefficient manor.
The section from Frisco to the top of Vail Pass climbs about 1000 feet
in 5 miles. Pretty steep stuff. It's a neat path -- winding
switch-backs in a "wilderness" area between the split-apart sections
of I-70. There's a rest stop at the top, so you don't have to lug lots
of water with you.
The section from the top of Vail Pass to Vail drops about 2000 feet in
7 miles. This is pretty mondo steep. Some sections of the trail are
just off the EB side of I-70 and the air is filled with the smell of
almost-melting truck brakes. Not fun. Also, you _must_ be a skilled
braker to navigate this steep, narrow trail. Dual brakes may be a
necessity -- _I_ wouldn't try it with just one. Also, I wore out 6
brakes the last time I did this, and _still_ wasn't in town.
If you're unclear if you qualify as a skilled braker, here's my test:
how many brakes have you worn out and replaced? If it's over a dozen,
you'll probably be OK on this trail. Less than 3 is a No Pass
(literally!).
Fort Collins
From: mckinney@me.umn.edu (Peter J. McKinney)
Date: Unknown
IMHO, The best in-line skating in Ft. Fun is along the Poudre River
and Spring Creek trails. They're paved nicely and are shared by
bicyclists, inline skaters, and pedestrians. There's at least 10 or 12
miles of trail and you should be able to pick up a map at any Ft.
Collins bike store.
Boulder
From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Unknown
I would like to take this time to submit my nomination for
"blade-capital" of the the world. (what do ya' mean you didn't know we
were voting?)
The city is Boulder, Colorado.
Last week-end I drove 50 miles (each way) to visit this famed area. It
is as good as the rumors have indicated. Every major road around town
has a 'greenway' containing a 6 foot wide contrete bikepath on _both_
sides of the road, and even the roads without 'greenways' still have
the wide walkways.
The prettiest/best run in town is the Boulder Creek Bikepath. This
path starts (at the top) about 2 hundred yards up the mouth of the
Boulder Creek Canyon, and windes for about 7 miles along the creek to
the far east side of town. It's all contrete, mostly shaded by trees,
about 5 bridges over the creek allowing travel on both sides of the
creek, and has at least 4 parks along the way.
I didn't take the time to check out all the intersecting paths which
lead off to other parts of town. (next time!) I saw a blades hockey
game in progress, about 5 beginers (practicing in near by parking
lots), almost as many Bladers as bicyclists on the path itself, and
even found some other folks who had commuted (from Denver) to check
out the turf as I was doing.
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Date: Unknown
Boulder Creek trail is swell. Between 1st and 30th street is really
intermediate terrain, but there are a lot of beginners there. Between
1st and fourmile canyon turnoff is an expert trail: quite steep with
no turnouts. From 30th to 60th (or so) is a very mellow, very pretty
trail. When you come back to the west, you can see the entire
Continental Divide. There are a lot of other good trails in town.
Both Boulder and Denver have bike maps. The Boulder one shows
road/path grades (and direction). The Denver one doesn't, but there
are a lot more trails down there. REI sells the Denver map.
From: mshafran@aol.com (M Shafran)
Date: 17 Jan 1995 14:02:33 -0500
Well, there aren't any trails really conducive to speed in Boulder, so
most of us tend to do our long skates out on the Diagonal (especially
now that both sides are smoothly paved). My speed club, Quicksilver,
and the Roller Express USAC club, also do a lot of training around
Celestial Seasonings' headquarters - it's smooth and almost a perfect
1K loop. [...] If you have any other questions, just give me a buzz at
InLine Retailer at (303) 440-5111, ext. 703.
Denver
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Date: Unknown
Cherry Creek -- from the dam to the South Platte River -- is a pretty
neat playground. The trail along the South Platte goes for many miles.
Remember the magic rule: go upstream first, so you won't run out of
gas on the return trip.
C-470 -- the 1/4 beltway -- has a bike path along about 80% of its
distance. Here, substitute "wind" for "stream" in the magic rule.
Check with Grand West Outfitters for info on hockey and more
structured activities. They're at Broadway and 6th -- right off of the
Cherry Creek Trail.
My recollection is that there are several shops listed under skating
equipment listed in the phone book. One of them was adjacent to a
park, (the one with the Zoo or Washington park, not sure), which
might be the place for public skating. Calling or visiting these
shops would be a good source of info.
Wash Park is pretty busy and the trails are not the best.
Both Boulder and Denver have bike maps. The Boulder one shows
road/path grades (and direction). The Denver one doesn't, but there
are a lot more trails down there. REI sells the Denver map.
I'm going to try the moby long Denver viaduct sometime this summer....
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Hawaii
* Oahu
* Elsewhere
Oahu
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu
Date: Tue Nov 30 04:05:22 1993
[...] Oahu is _not_ conducive to non-auto traffic. While you see a
fair amount of bicycles and mopeds, you are at the mercy of the cars
when you're out on the road. Worse, there are painfully few bicycle
trails on the island--a lack of land and planning both. Worse, drivers
are not friendly toward cyclists and skaters. They will turn right
without blinking _or_ looking, assuming that there's no traffic to
their right because they're in the right lane--or they will parallel
park on the road and the drivers will open their doors right onto the
middle lane. I have had some friends of mine French kiss some car door
interiors this way--ouch!
The safest and most popular spot to rollerblade on the entire island
is Ala Moana Beach Park and Magic Island. Magic Island is a little
area at one end of Ala Moana Beach Park that was filled in many years
ago by the Ilikai Hotel when they realized that their customers
couldn't see Diamond Head anymore because of all the development. Ala
Moana Beach Park itself is outside of Waikiki, across the street from
the large Ala Moana Shopping Center. You'll encounter all kinds--kids
learning, adults learning, kids whirling around adults learning,
adults doing laps around a loop, etc. Basically, these "loops" around
Magic Island are wide enough to accommodate joggers and skaters both.
Nice view of Diamond Head, too.
The other (and more closer site to Waikiki) would be Kapiolani Park,
at the Diamond Head of Waikiki by the Honolulu Zoo. They have a 2.5
mile jogging loop around it that you can use--except at parts it's
cracked and not too wide--so that's a caveat.
From: "Earl J. Kim" (ekim@pixi.com)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 95 01:18:00 1000
Here's some info about the do's and don't's for bladers. First the
don't's: it is illegal to skate in a business district, i.e., downtown
Honolulu. It is also illegal to skate in the Waikiki "special use
district," which includes the long straight sidewalk next to the Ala
Wai Canal. Though they do not enforce the law consistently, we got
cited for skating on that sidewalk ($25 fine) after skating there. We
have also been chased out of the Kapiolani community college parking
lot in Diamond Head, the University of Hawaii quarry parking lot, the
City and County downtown parking lot. Everyone is so paranoid about
liability! I see people skating in these areas, so take your chances
whether they are enforcing the law on that day.
You can skate on the bikepath on the other side of the Ala Wai Canal;
start at the Ala Wai Clubhouse (real bumpy parking area, but the path
is nice) at the corner of McCully Street and Kapiolani Boulevard. It
meets up with Kapahulu Avenue and goes down towards Waikiki. When you
meet the Ala Wai Boulevard, go left and you can head to Kapiolani
Park, circle that (narrow sidewalk on the ocean side though) and
return the same way. That would be about a 45-60 minute cruise
depending on your speed.
As mentioned, the Magic Island section of Ala Moana Park (oceanside of
Ala Moana Shopping Center) is nice, but small and crowded with tiny
kids who don't care about others. You can now skate the edge of Ala
Moana Park (start on the Magic Island side) as they have a new
sidewalk that parallels Ala Moana Boulevard though there are a couple
of sections that have not been finished yet. At the end of the park,
you can skate into the Kewalo Basin Park and go to the end to the
concrete finger by the basin harbor opening. Return to Ala Moana
Boulevard, continue onwards past the basin for another three blocks.
Head oceanside by the Cutter Ford car dealer and you will reach the
Kakaako Waterfront Park. This park has some nice hills, a bumpy-tiled
oceanfront straight, a small amphitheater for newbies to practice
going downhill, and a big parking lot that's sloped--not too many
cars, good place to practice stroking and crossovers. Return to Magic
Island the same way for another 45-60 minute workout.
The Nimitz highway bikepath is not the most screnic, but is less
crowded and longer. Find the Nimitz highway-Puuloa Road intersection
(near the airport, ask the locals where the "Kelleys" restaurant is)
and park on a sidestreet. The path parallels the highway, a lot of
shade because you are under the airport freeway. Mostly good surface,
some traffice noise. You continue past the Moanalua Shopping Center
and the trail then hits an intersection (Radford Drive?). Head down
the hill towards Pearl Harbor (a grade 3-4 hill) and follow the bike
path lane (next to the highway) on the ocean side. This will take you
to the Arizona Memorial; keeping going and there's a joggers water
fountain (thank you Navy). When you hit the boathouse where the
asphalt is really rough, you can turn around and return for a 1-1.5
hour skate.
If you hobble over that rough section, you can continue on the bike
path along Pearl Harbor, behind the Pearl Kai Shopping Center (by the
Pearlridge shopping center), past Blaisdell Park and the electric
power plant and end up in Pearl City where the trail ends. This would
add about another 4 miles or so
I commute to work (only about a mile one way), and have already been
hit by a car as I crossed in a marked crosswalk. I now wear a bright
orange vest and carry a bike-style strobe light too. As others of
mentioned, the drivers look left for traffic as they make a right
turn--they have no regard for pedestrians, bikers, or skaters entering
the crosswalk! When in Honolulu traffic, be careful and SKATE SAFE!
From: rabbett@cris.com (Rabbett)
Date: Unknown
Should you come to Oahu, do yourself a favor and skate Kailua town on
the windward side... miles and miles of flat and low rise asphalt...
most of it in primo condition. Trade winds, blue skies, quiet
neighborhoods and a mere couple blocks from the beach. Also, further
into Kailua..is Lanikai...about 3.7 miles around, it is an oceanside
residential loop with staggering beauty and colorful homes and people.
From: mikem@sun.lclark.edu (Mike Muronaka)
Date: 11 Nov 1994 12:55:08 -0800
I haven't skated much there, but the following areas have potential:
General cruising - Residential Kailua/Lanikai is mostly flat and has
little traffic. There's supposedly something resembling a waterfront
outside of downtown Honolulu, but I never got there. Remember that
skating isn't allowed in Waikiki (who'd want to go there anyway?) If
anyone tells you Magic Island is a good place, they're either lying or
not very skilled skaters (nice scenery, too small).
Downhills - Since Oahu is mostly a giant mountain range, it's easy to
find a spot to test how well your brake works. Go to Tantalus for
curves. There's this one hill (sorry, can't remember specifically
where) where I had to throw my car in first going down and still rode
the brakes : ). Keep your eyes peeled.
Street - Schools. The University has loads of terrain toys. There's a
large concrete bowl (skate park?) in Honolulu, but everytime I've gone
by there, it's chained off. There's a quarter pipe at the Kailua
Intermediate playground. I've actually seen skateboarders on it, but
again, it's mostly chained off.
Be aware that Hawaii drivers for the most part don't understand the
concept of bicycles on the road, so inlining should be no exception.
Stay on the sidewalk in high traffic areas. I've been told that
inlining is also getting more popular (i.e. seen on people above the
age of 5 who aren't tourists), so you might not get as many stares as
I did : ).
Elsewhere
From: grr@tharsis.com (George Robbins)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:03:40 GMT
The general layout of the islands is that there is one main road that
runs around the fairly level shore plateau area, with a few cross
cuts. Most of the secondary roads cut inward to farm or residences and
are often unpaved and/or private. The trend of the main road is flat,
but since you are on the skirts of a volcanic mountain, there will
frequent spots where the road drops down into a ravine to cross a
bridge, then back up again. Since there's only one road, traffic can
be heavy during the going back and forth parts of the day. If you like
distance skating you should be ok, but it'll probably always be
there-and-back along the same road. You need to plan your trips to
insure that you've got adequate water and that there are places where
you can stop, eat and chill out in the shade, it can be a long way
between convenience stores or gas stations!
This is based mainly on Kaaui, the most rustic of the islands, but
time spent in the Waikaki area suggests the basic idea holds for all
of the islands, as soon as you get out of the "city".
One final warning is that while the people are generally friendly,
there are quite a few folks trying to live in paradise without visible
means of support, which can engender a gypsy like attitude towards
visitors and their possesions. Hawaii (the big island) has also had
problems with more organized car burglary/assaults at scenic spots,
but this may be ancient history.
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Idaho
The In-Line Idaho Web page, which includes information about Boise and
Idaho Falls, is located at the URL:
http://www.idbsu.edu/ilskate/.
* Coeur d'Alene/Post Falls
* Boise
* Sun Valley
Coeur d'Alene/Post Falls
From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:10:48 GMT
The Centennial Bike Trail is a long, wide asphalt trail that extends
between Riverside State Park (NW of Spokane) and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.
I was coming from the Idaho side, so I first started on the eastern
end of the trail (near the Coeur d'Alene resort). Only went a couple
of miles before turning around - lots of busy street crossings, a
railroad crossing (at the bottom of a steep embankment) that had to be
walked, and then devolution into a dirty, marked-off "bike lane" at
the eastern side of Post Falls. Blech!
After retracing my route, I drove to the western side of Post Falls (I
believe it is Post Falls Park). I skated up a short hill to the east,
and got back on the trail, heading west toward the state line (a bit
over 4 miles away). This was a much nicer section - very wide and
smooth, pretty clean, and hardly used (I was skating about 10AM on a
Saturday; probably saw a dozen people at most for the entire trip).
There were a few rural street crossings that could be rolled through,
and one nasty crossing (lot of road debris and traffic) at the Post
Falls Outlet Mall, approx. 1 mile from the state line. Probably the
worst feature of the trail is that it parallels I-90 for much of its
length, so there's a lot of traffic noise (too bad they couldn't have
put the trail along the Spokane River - that would be a real pretty
pathway). Once past the Outlet Mall, there were no more street
crossings. The bridge over the Spokane River at the state line was
pretty neat. After crossing the river, there is a sharp turn to the
right, and a somewhat steep downhill before crossing under I-90. After
this, I only went a couple of more miles before turning around. Mostly
gentle hills, with a couple of slightly steeper spots - nothing that
an experienced skater couldn't handle.
In summary, this is an excellent skating trail, if you get on at the
right place. I'd probably recommend parking at the Outlet Mall, and
heading west from there, although my route starting at Post Falls Park
wasn't particularly bad. Next time I'm up that direction, I'll try to
check out other sections of the trail - if I remember correctly, it's
about 40 miles end-to-end.
Boise
From: Bogiesan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:53:31 -0400
_Best long skate:_
The Boise River Greenbelt from Municipal Park east to Lucky Peak
Reservoir. Round trip: about 18 miles. Description: Mostly flat, three
fun little hills, lovely scenery along the Boise River Valley. Notes:
This stretch of the Greenbelt is mostly used by serious bikers and
skaters. Best time of day: early morning before the crowds mount and
the temps rise. Not much shade, no water till you get to the park at
the dam so bring plenty. Crowded on weekends, deserted during the
week.
_Best recreational skate:_
The campus of Boise State University. Lots of stairs, ramps,
obstacles, stadium parking lots, and slick sidewalks. This is a
weekend-only skate not to be attempted during classes. Campus police
will gladly bust your ass. The Greenbelt is accessible from the campus
but this stretch is super crowded with geeks and newbies: No fun for
the experienced skater.
_Best aggro experience:_
Eluding the cops downtown. On any evening the streets are nearly
deserted. Plenty of night spots with blade-friendly attitudes. Coffee
shops, newsstands, bars, etc. Most of the industrial and corporate
buildings have security guards that will gladly try to have you
busted. Don't try to skate around the state capitol building.
_Best vert experience:_
Rhoades Skate Park, 15th and Grove streets, downtown. Named after the
man who built the place single-handed, there's a hockey rink, a couple
of quarter pipes, and some rails. (Hey, this is Boise!)
_Best rink:_
Twenty minute drive to Nampa, Idaho, and the Rollerdrome. Old wooden
floor, curved benches. The rink in Boise, Skateworld, is a pit.
Sun Valley
From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Date: Unknown
Just got back from a work/play boondoggle in Sun Valley, Idaho. If you
ever have a chance to come through this area in the
spring/summer/fall, check out the Wood River & Sun Valley trails.
The Wood River trail is a very recent rails-to-trails conversion. It's
21 miles long (42 round trip), extremely smooth, and not much climb.
It's a cross-country ski trail in the winter (there was still quite a
bit of snow on either side of the trail this week).
The Sun Valley trail is about a 20 mile loop around Dollar mountain.
Not quite as smooth, and has some road intersections that are a bit
gravelly. Quite a bit more climb than the Wood River trail (with some
screaming downhill sections). Bring a spare brake!
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Montana
Custer Battlefield
From: eighmi@uiuc.edu (Amy Ryan)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:29:49 -0500
Little Big Horn in Montana has a small walking trail, to tell you
about the battles that occurred and the fall of custer. The trail is
at the far end of the 5 mile drive. This is along the road that
connects Eastern Montana to Cheyenne Wyoming. It provides for a scenic
break during a long drive and is a historic site as well. It's
completely free. Warning: there is a very steep hill, major T-stops or
brakes required.
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Nevada
Las Vegas
From: paulp@terminus.intermind.net (Paul Phillabaum)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:01:20 -0800
Although it might seem a little strange, a great place to skate in Las
Vegas is UNLV. The campus use grass and trees instead of 'desert
landscaping' which is popular here, giving it a nice comfortable
backyard feeling. Lots of wide, smooth concrete sidewalks, with
emergency turnouts (grass 8-) ) liberally spread all over campus. The
campus is pretty empty during the evenings, and weekends. On an
average weekend, you'll probably see 3 or 4 groups of skaters, and
campus police seem to be skater-friendly. Best of all, during the
Africa hot summers, the campus seems 10 degrees cooler because of all
the grass. It's comfortable to skate around 6:30 pm, and you can get a
few hours a skating in relative comfort.
From: wayne@ptigris.win.net (Wayne)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:19:15 GMT
I found the back streets easy to skate. They parallel the strip and
the traffic is not to bad. I stayed at Circus Circus and the security
guard caught me skating on C.C. property and told me it was not
allowed. I had to walk to the street carrying my skates and put them
on at the side walk. The water slide (Wet & Wild) parking lot is
large, smooth and if not to full can be used also. The day I was there
it was closed. The whole time in Vegas I only saw two other skaters on
the street.
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Utah
Park City
From: klaus@captain-crunch.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Date: Unknown
My favorite skate is Royal Street in Park City, UT. It's a road that
goes about half to two-thirds of the way up Deer Valley Ski Resort.
Lots of turns and _lots_ of new pavement. It's probably about 500
meters (~1600 ft.) vertical and an absolute blast. There is little
traffic and the police are very mellow about the whole thing (the town
does depend on tourism you know). You can either bomb down it risking
the tarmac (sp?) tickle or get thousands of turns (literally). Its
really great in the summer since the temperature is rarely over 78
degrees F or so. Also, in the winter, a bus runs up to the top on a
regular schedule and doesn't cost a dime. I kind of like the grunt up.
It is kind of strange though watching a blader skate by a "Watch for
Ice" hazard sign..
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Washington
* Seattle
* Spokane
Seattle
From: fhansche@netcom.com (Frank Hansche)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:56:02 GMT
There's a book called "Rolling Around Seattle" which tells of all the
good places to skate here. The author has personally skated every one
of the places in his book. You can find it at ski/skate shops and
probably at REI.
From: Robert Schmunk (rbs@skatecity.com)
Date: 30 Jun 1995
A recent article in _InLine_ magazine stated that skating on the
streets of downtown Seattle was illegal under the usual "playing in
the streets" law, but was okay elsewhere. Supposedly the police are
pretty cool about not enforcing it, but don't go out of your way to
test their tolerance.
From: rbs@skatecity.com (Robert B. Schmunk)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 14:22:13 -0500
Seattle is not really a skating town. The problem is likely due to the
fact that the hills of Seattle make it somewhat difficult to skate
from point A to point B unless you have strong calf muscles.
Additionally, many of the streets are paved in a somewhat rough tarmac
that tends to give your feet the old washboard massage and wears
brakes down pretty quickly. Thus, during a 10-day stay in Seattle I
saw only one skater other than myself who was on the _streets_ of the
city.
Nevertheless, there are places in Seattle to skate, as the city
government has been kind enough to provide lots of bike/ped paths that
are _physically separate_ from the streets. The three paths I sampled
all had very gentle terrain as they were located on/near the shores of
one of the bodies of water in/around Seattle. A side benefit of being
near the water is that some of these paths have truly splendid scenery
to look at while you're rolling along.
1. Green Lake: A couple people suggested to me that the 2.9-mile
trail around this lake NW of the Univ. of Washington might be _the_
place to skate in Seattle, but they're sadly disillusioned. The
basic problem is that this trail gets a _lot_ of pedestrian
traffic, and the lane for bikes/skaters is never more than 3 ft
wide. Thus, for beginners this is not a good place because of the
possibility of colliding with a pedestrian, and the more advanced
skaters will be frustrated by the slow skaters/pedestrians
blocking the trail ahead.
2. Elliot Bay Trail: This trail starts just slightly north of Pier 70
and follows the shore of Puget Sound to just beyond the grain
terminal at Pier 86. After that it takes a big swerve inland to go
around the auto off-loading facility at Terminal 91, and then
comes back out to the Sound and terminates at Smith Cove. Besides
Pier 70, you can access the trail from a couple of streets just
north of Terminal 91. Between Piers 70 and 86, the pedestrian and
wheel (bike/skater) portions of the path are physically separated,
and peds will growl if you take the wrong path. This separateness
does make the trail somewhat more interesting to advanced skaters
looking for a place to work out, and the flat topography is
balanced by the wonderful view.
3. Waterfront: This may actually count as a southern extension of the
Elliot Bay trail, but a large gap between them suggests that it
might be otherwise. Anyway, the various tourist piers along the
shore immediately downhill from downtown are located along Alaskan
Way. On the city side of the road is a trolley track for the
tourists, and immediately adjacent to it is a bike/ped path that
stretches from about a half mile south of Pier 70 down to a point
about even with the Kingdome.
4. Burke-Gilman Trail: Of the places I skated in Seattle, this was by
far the best. I'm not quite sure where the western end of the
trail is located, but the easiest place to find it is where it
crosses Fremont Ave. right on the north side of the Fremont Bridge
over the Washington Canal. (At this point it's only a bike lane
marked on the road.) From here it heads eastward along the canal,
along the north side of Lake Union, and past Husky Stadium on the
UW campus. Beyond there it begins to wend its way a little inland,
but breaks back out to follow the NW edge of Lake Washington just
beyond Magnuson Park. This was about as far as I followed the
trail, but it is supposed to continue further north along the
lake, and then turn eastward to go through Bothell, and eventually
terminate after something like 30 miles near the Ste. Michelle
winery in Woodinville. This trail has many good views, a little
bit of topography, and what I considered a surprisingly low level
of traffic. It was also the only place in Seattle that I ever saw
a blader on five-wheel racing skates. The only real problem with
this trail is that although it crosses residential streets
somewhat frequently, it doesn't often get near a 7-11 where I
could grab a Gatorade.
BTW, if you're in the downtown area, it's easy to get to the BG
trail by just following Dexter Ave. north. This road has bike
lanes on both sides and the slope of the hill provides a good but
not murderous workout.
5. UW campus: Although there aren't any official skating routes (that
I noticed) on campus, this is a pleasant place. There's lots of
topography, some flats (Red Square!) and streets which all seemed
to have been recently paved.
6. Other trails: There are several other official bike/ped paths in
Seattle, and skaters would be well-advised to purchase a street
map which has them marked. One trail I plan to try the next time
I'm in town runs along the west side of Lake Washington south of
Lake Union. It looks to be pretty long, and also offers access to
a bike/skating lane on the floating bridge to Mercer Island.
Summation: On a scale of 1 to 5, skating Seattle was about a 3.
From: mathew@sierra.com (Mathew Hendrickson WAS Seattle)
Date: 10 Oct 1994 22:52:07 GMT
Three places that I know of:
1. Burke-Gilman trail: It starts at Gasworks park (north end of Lake
Union), goes northeast through the south and east side of the UW
campus, then heads north to the north end of Lake Washington (Log
Boom park, about 12 miles from Gasworks park), where it connects
with:
2. Sammamish Slough trail: It starts at Marymore park and heads north
along the Sammamish Slough trail to the north end of Lake
Washington, where it connects with the Burke-Gilman trail. From
Marymore park to Gasworks park is about 25 miles.
3. Greenlake: This is _not_ a place to get a workout; there are too
many people walking on the trail during daylight hours. It is only
for easy blading unless you plan to go at 3 am (some people do).
There are also various parking lots (the NOAA parking lot at Sand
Point is a good one).
From: fhansche@netcom.com (Frank Hansche)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:28:23 GMT
Jann E VanOver (jevo@chinook.halcyon.com) wrote:
[...] there's a couple good trails in the South End, near the South
Center Shopping Mall. Just east of S. Center, along the west side of
the Green River, there's a nice trail. It has rather a lot of
walkers at lunch time (being near many office complexes) but is
nearly empty in the afternoon. Smooth pavement, relatively scenic.
And, about 1/4 mile west of there, under a powerline, is the
Interurban trail. Many many miles of nearly unused trail.
The Green River Trail starts in Tukwila, runs south to Kent and ends
at the Riverbend Golf Course. It's a good trail but parts of it are on
little used roads. So, you may have to share it with cars.
The Interurban Trail runs south through the Kent Valley to Pacific. I
have not yet skated it, but have seen many skaters on it. It is very
underused and looks to be a great place to skate.
The Soos Creek Trail is east of Kent and is great if you like hills. I
have biked this trail but not skated it. Go east up Smith to 256th and
continue east until 148th. Turn left until you see a small county
park. You can access the trail from there.
From: Amy Ryan (eighmi@uiuc.edu)
Date: Mar 22 1995
In Seattle Washington, there is a small extreme park that is pretty
much indoors.. The park is covered, but has fenced sides. It does stay
dry during rain though. The park is called Bellevue Skate Park and it
on 40th and Bellevue-Redmond in Bellevue. The park has a variety of
quarter pipes and grind boxes and is being remodelled to incorporate a
half pipe. The club is on the very bottom of the big log-cabinish
health club. It's next door to the YMCA. If you can't find the club,
try calling Gravity Sports in Renton for directions..
Spokane
See Coeur d'Alene, ID for information about the Centennial Bike Trail
which extends east from Riverside State Park.
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Wyoming
Cheyenne
From: eighmi@uiuc.edu (Amy Ryan)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:29:49 -0500
Wyoming is not a hotbed of skating activity. As a matter of fact when
I skated in Cheyenne, i got some pretty strange looks as if they
hadn't seen inlines before. In Cheyenne there is a park with a trail
across from the airport. I forget its name, but its the one with the
buffalo and antelope zoo.. ask anyone in town and they can most likely
point you to it.
Downtown Cheyenne has some nice sidewalks and small stairs near the
capital building.. just don't skate on the sidewalks by the new
library, they don't like that too much. Indoors there is a roller rink
next door to the pizza hut and bingo hall. I can't remember the name
of it, but from the airport, take dell range road to the mcdonalds and
turn right. go down that street for 3-7 blocks and it will be on the
right hand side.
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