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Usenet being what it is, dominated by Americans, makes some issues
more confusing than others. How come the Nordic societies are so
liberal on pornography and promoting indecent lifestyles (also known
as homosexuality) but so repressive against prostitution, smokers (of
usual cigarettes as well as joints) and other drug users? Isn't it a
contradiction that films get censored due to "excessive violence" in
the countries which all over the world are notorious for their free
sex and as the base for Nazi propaganda? What a strange mixture of
liberalism and intolerant censure!
2.7.1 Sex in the Nordic cultures
Section 2.7.1 is unwritten.
Please write and ask in the newsgroup if there are any particular
questions you would like answered!
2.7.2 Domestic partnership (Same-sex "marriages")
In all Scandinavian countries (i.e. Denmark, Norway, Sweden and also
Iceland, but not Finland or the Faroe Islands) same-sex marriages,
officially called "Registered Partnerships", are recognized by the law
- with more or less the same rights and duties as in bi-gender
marriages. In Sweden two very well-known female performing artists,
Eva Dahlgren and Efva Attling, married publicly the spring 1996 with
much fanfare.
Denmark, Norway, Greenland, Sweden and Iceland have (in that order)
made the cohabition between people of the same sex possible to get
officially registered, which in most non-religious respects makes the
status of the relationship equal to that of a married couple. As late
as June 27th 1996 the law took effect on Iceland.
Finland has not yet joined the other Nordic states, but is rapidly and
under unusual parliamentarian means catching up. Being last will
probably also mean that they will end up with the most radical laws.
The laws are very short - what they do is state that gay couples who
register are entitled to all of the benefits (and responsibilities) of
their country's respective marriage laws. They do this by simply
referring the Registered Partnership Acts to the respective sections
of the country's Marriage Act that applies.
The ceremony is performed much like a civil wedding ceremony. The
Church does not perform such ceremonies, but some priests have chosen
to bless partners in connection with the ceremony. The registration of
a partnership makes no big practical change compared to living
together without it, however for instance rules regarding inheritance
are affected. The meaning is most of all emotional, as an act making
the relationship "officially" acknowledged.
The laws requires at least one of the partners to be a citizen in the
actual country.
Until recent years homosexuals in all Nordic countries have been in a
situation where their partners have not been recognized by the
official society at all, for instance often have not been properly
informed in case of accidents and hospitalizations, and with severe
problems to keep the lease of a shared flat in case of a divorce or a
death. During the 1970s this started to change, and gay couples became
equal to unmarried couples without children at the same time as most
social benefits became depending on cohabition instead of marriage.
And 1989 Denmark was first out with a specific law regulating the
rights and duties of gay couples who live in recognized partnerships,
i.e. common law marriages.
Due to the Swedish Registered Partnership Act women who have entered
into partnerships have also been granted social benefits in connection
with a birth equal to if the other woman had been the married father
of the child. It is likely that this implementation will be normal in
the future.
Still the authorities in Finland treat cohabiting same sex couples as
single persons and not like unmarried heterosexual couples (common law
marriage) which leads to an increased financial burden. This has
implications to taxation, health insurance, and so on and on...
In none of the Nordic states does the law permit the adoption of
children by gay or lesbian couples, nor does it give the right to
artificial insemination. Insemination is in Sweden illegal outside of
the public health care system and the requirements make it impossible
for lesbians without an infertile male husband to get inseminated. In
Denmark insemination for lesbians is not illegal, however not financed
through the health-care insurances.
There has been some discussion about these laws, involving both
requests for more radical steps and urging of Conservatism. Many
homosexuals would probably agree that the partnership laws are the
best possible result of pragmatic compromises by gay-rights activists
and the straight [heterosexual] politicians who supported the law.
It's a typical example of Scandinavian step-by-step reforms. And it
will be improved further.
The Icelandic law is similar to those passed in Norway, Denmark and
Sweden, but it also gives gay couples joint custody of the children of
either partner. Both partners then become the childrens' guardians and
should the natural parent die, the other partner - the childrens' step
parent - automatically becomes their sole guardian. Nowhere have gay
couples had such rights up to now. In addition to this the Alțingi
(the Parliament of Iceland) is scheduled to change several provisions
in the criminal law, making it a punishable offense to defame or
persecute gays and lesbians in public. In addition, the law only
permits gay and lesbian couples to confirm their partnership in a
civil ceremony; this in light of the Church of Iceland's firm
opposition to church marriages of gay and lesbian couples. The new law
enjoys the support of all political parties represented in parliament
and only one member voted against the bill.
Top politicians have in some cases chosen to be quite open regarding
their own experiences and feelings of homosexual nature, as for
instance Andreas Carlgren, the vice chairman of the Center party in
Sweden; and in other cases chosen to regard these matters as strictly
personal which well might be acknowledged in an interview or two, but
which are not allowed to become a part of their image, as for instance
the Norwegian minister of Justice, Anne Holt, and the Danish minister
of Health, Yvonne Herlov Andersen. In the Nordic countries it's
customary to respect the individual's choice in these cases.
2.7.3 Pornography
[ Lennart Regebro writes: ]
Norway and Iceland don't allow pornography, but through the years the
definition of what is pornography has got more liberal.
Sweden has one of the world's best protections for Freedom of Speech,
which made it hard to outlaw pornography. Thus, Sweden got its
reputation of being the land of free sex, because in Sweden you could
actually make porn magazines.
Some time during the sixties, Denmark removed its laws prohibiting
pornography, and became a mecca for Nordic porn. It still is in many
senses. For example, the view on "unusual" sex seems much more relaxed
in Denmark. Sado-Masochism seems pretty accepted, for example,while it
in Sweden seems to be taboo. There is even a law against distrubuting
"violence-sex", something that seems to be aimed against
sado-masochistic pornography.
Sweden (just like Denmark) doesn't allow distribution of
child-pornography. Although you legally can own it, the police can
take it, if it is evidence for child-misuse. Owning it is not an
offense, although the law in Sweden is proposed to change on that
point. [ someone else: ]
Finland has its own major contribution to the porn industry in the
famous (and newly deceased) artist Touko Laaksonen (alias: Tom of
Finland), who from the 1940s and forward published a lot of often
overt erotic drawings of Nordic males as forest workers, bikers,
firemen and policemen with pretty faces, huge dicks, and a shameless
amount of appetite for each other.
2.7.4 Censorship in the Nordic countries
[ Gunnar Medin writes: ]
Denmark is an easy case. There is no censorship at all. Not for adults
anyway. A film can be prohibited for viewing in a movie theater by
children below 12 or 16, but no censor decide what adult people can
see. (But some kind of pictures are unlawful to show, i.e. child
pornography.) This does not mean that charges cannot subsequently be
brought against publishers of the material for breaking of laws like
racist allegations, libel slander or perhaps copyright issues. But the
main thing is that there is never any preemptive censorship.
Another thing is what the audience like! American films seem sometimes
to get distributed in two versions. One cut for Northern Europe with
more sex and less violence, and one for US with less nakedness but
more violence. US films with relatively explicit sex scenes, e.g.
Basic Instinct, are often made in one version for Europe and one
shorter ("censored") version for the USA. The only reason I have heard
of for censoring films in Sweden in modern times is violence.
[ someone else: ]
In Sweden, the same laws apply to what you can and what you can not
show on movies and video. The difference is, that movies are checked
for violations before being shown, while videos are only checked if
there is a complaint.
This means that a movie distributor /theater can never be convicted
for what they show in movies since the censoring system absolves them
from responsibility. In contrast, video distributors can be convicted
for selling and renting videos with prohibited content.
The same rule also holds for printed matter in Sweden. Books which are
libelous, infringes copyrights, prints military secrets and so on, can
never be censored before publication.
The problem with doing this for movie theaters is that it takes so
long time to get a conviction, so that the movie would have stopped
showing anyway. In effect, it would "remove" the censoring, unless you
would get long jail sentence. That would in turn lead to the much
worse "self-censoring" system that exists in the US.
[ Otto-Ville Ronkainen: ]
In Finland, all films are subject to a preview by the State Film
Approval Office, which can approve the film for all audiences or for
audiences above a certain age. The highest age limit is K-18. If a
film can't be shown as K-18 as such, it must be cut or it can't be
shown. Nowadays the standards on sex are more lenient than in the US.
Movies that are R-rated in the US can be K-12 or K-10 here.
For video films, the Finnish system requires the limit to be K-16 or
less, so K-18 films have to be cut to be released on video. However,
such restrictions don't exist on import for own use, so the real
enthusiasts can get their films uncut from England or Denmark, for
instance.
[ Kari Yli-Kuha: ]
Currently, the Finnish censorship is about to be abolished, since with
the current information technology it's practically impossible to
prevent people from seeing whatever they want. It's not so important
what the adults see or do not see, but removing censorship, the main
purpose of which has been to guard children from the most hard-core
violence, emphasizes the role of parents.
2.7.5 Drugs in the Nordic countries
This is a controversial theme, which maybe can be illustrated by the
following quotes from the news group:
[ Stein J. Rypern writes: ]
At least Norwegian culture is pretty clear on this - drugs are out.
Alcohol and nicotine are allowed, but with some restrictions:
* advertising for either alcohol or cigarettes are prohibited
* there are hefty "sin taxes" on both products,
* there is a law against smoking in many public places
* spirits, wine and beer in tax group 3 (with more than about 4.5%
alcohol per volume unit) is only sold in the government monopoly
shops (and licensed bars and restaurants, of course).
Norway is culturally a part of the "vodka belt", where occasional
drinking yourself into a stupor at parties is socially acceptable, but
not really done all that much by people who are above the age of 20.
There is a fairly strong taboo against drinking and driving. It still
happens, of course - but most people have the sense to park the car
and take a cab home or arrange for one person to stay sober and drive
the others home when they have been drinking.
What has all this got to do with drugs? Not a lot, I guess :-)
Drugs just aren't socially acceptable. Might be part of the
puritanical heritage of Norwegians; might be common sense - we know
how to deal with drinking (we drink, get drunk, fall down, no problem
:-), but not with using drugs. Several decades of good propaganda work
by the health authorities have also firmly fixed the idea that
"smoking marihuana leads to the use of heavier drugs" in our minds. It
may or may not be true - I don't much care either way - I see no need
for people to use drugs when we have the time-honored way of getting
blasted - alcohol. :-)
I guess people also see using drugs as something done by junkies and
prostitutes and people who are down and out. There are no role models
who advocate the use of drugs.
I accept my neighbor's right to meddle in my decisions when what I do
affect him. When I expect him to pay my medical bills (through taxes)
if I need surgery or when I drive my car down the street where his
kids go to school after drinking or using drugs. In those cases it is
not just my personal choice, it is also my neighbors problem. Most
Norwegians seem to be somewhat more inclined toward the common good
than individual freedom.
The "relaxed" attitudes of the Scandinavian countries are mostly an US
myth, I suspect. Just because we don't have all your hang-ups about
sex and don't pay lip service to "godliness" doesn't mean that
anything goes over here :-)
Coffee, loud music, fat food, skiing slopes too steep for you - all
these things might cause some kind of damage to your health. It is
neither desirable nor practical to try to ban everything that "is bad
for you". I am willing to accept some risks.
After all - life is dangerous - must be close to a 100% fatality rate,
eh?
;-)
Keeping drugs banned is practical politics as long as the number of
drug (ab)users is fairly limited. Politics is doing what we believe is
right, within the confines of what is possible in the real world.
I don't think you can cure most drug addicts from their addiction. I
would prefer to spend whatever resources we can afford to spend on
preventing or actively hindering people from being recruited into drug
addiction. Based on the principle "one stitch in time saves nine".
Prevention tend to be less expensive both in terms of money and human
suffering than trying to cure an existing condition. I don't know what
is the cheapest alternative. I believe that it is that as few people
as possible use drugs. I also believe that making drugs illegal, hard
to get and as expensive as possible will make fewer people start doing
drugs. I draw my line between smoking /drinking on one side and doing
drugs on the other side. For practical reasons - it is a line I
believe can be enforced.
[ Mikko Hakala <hakala@cermav.grenet.fr> writes: ]
The situation also varies from country to country. Denmark is most
tolerable, and in contrast, Sweden's attitude towards drugs has become
something close to paranoia, planning to criminalize even
prostitution. I feel that since Palme's murder Sweden hasn't been the
country it used to be. As if the nation had lost her faith in
tomorrow.
Norway and Finland are somewhere between. Probably more close to
Sweden than Denmark. Most Scandinavians don't come personally in touch
with drugs. They see drugs only in (American) movies. Therefore the
Nordic sense of reality hasn't become part of their drug-policy.
If one is caught in Finland with, say, with 2 grams of hash, there
won't be any prosecution. BUT the considering, which takes one minute
for a policeman in the streets of Helsinki, may take several days for
a rural police chief in Kajaani. - Meanwhile the "criminal" stays in
custody!
[ From: Anders Nordseth <anders.nordseth@sn.no> ]
In Copenhagen, Denmark, they also sell cannabis in the open, in the
so-called Pusher Street in Christiania. There they have sale-stands
where they sell hashish, and the police bothers only once in a while.
I would agree that Norway and Finland are closer to Sweden than
Denmark. For smuggling cannabis products in larger amounts you might
in Norway risk 21 years in prison, which is the highest sentences one
can get in Norway (the same as homicide).
Recently, a person from Denmark was caught smuggling 30 kg of hashish
from Denmark to Norway. He escaped from Norway and went back to
Denmark. The Norwegian authorities wanted to seek extradition for him,
but the Danish authorities didn't look at the crime as serious enough,
so they didn't extradite him. He is a free man in Denmark, in Norway
he would have been a "very dangerous criminal".
Possessing smaller amounts of cannabis, is not that serious. In the
bigger cities (like Oslo) you would usually get a fine, in smaller
places in Norway you might risk some days in prison.
The crimes involved with drugs are caused by drug addicts who need
money to finance their use of drugs. If it wasn't prohibited, the
price would not have been as high, and they wouldn't have to resort to
theft, prostitution or robbery to finance their drug use.
Use of alcohol leads to violent behavior more often than the use of
drugs. A stoned person is quite harmless. I've been driving cab in
Oslo for several years on weekend nights while studying. Drug addicts
or stoned people have never caused me any problems, drunk people have
very often caused me problems.
It's a dilemma, what problems should we choose? My opinion is that it
would be a more fair distribution of the problems if we legalize
drugs. Today a lot of innocent people suffer for the criminal acts
done by drug-addicts hunting for money. By legalizing drugs, more
people will probably have personal problems, but less innocent people
will have problems caused by drug-use. And remember, everyone has that
choice to "Just say no". It might be a cynical view, but freedom has
its costs.
[ From: Nils Ek <armn033@cmc.doe.ca> ]
The serious health risks imposed by cannabis, cocaine, heroin, etc.
have been well established (at least to the satisfaction of most
educated people) by responsible medical groups. In Scandinavia, those
who abuse their bodies with alcohol and/or drugs are entitled to
publicly-funded health-care. So perhaps it's no wonder that the
governments decide they'd rather not put up with the medical as well
as social costs of de-criminalized intoxicant drugs. Of course these
arguments and conclusions have been vehemently denied by the addicts
(or counter-culture drug proponents, if you will).
Rather than tolerance, the issue may be one of: whom do you believe?
The Nordics probably have more respect for their medical community
than elsewhere, e.g. compared to U.S. where it's perceived as
"big-business". Meanwhile the counter-culture types typically believe
they have tapped into some ancient secrets of the orient. However, I
believe that for many people, this has to be a turn-off because of the
use in oriental "natural" medicine of bears' gall-bladders, tiger
penises, and rhino horns. Perhaps this is why pro-drug arguments of
(American) counter-culture seem to have less of a foothold there.
[ the sections above are available at the www-page
http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/scn/faq27.html ]
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