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Archive-name: forsale/dc-forsale-faq
Posting-Frequency: three times per month URL: http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/html/dc.forsale.html See reader questions & answers on this topic! - Help others by sharing your knowledge ========================================================================== == DC.FORSALE Frequently Asked Questions and Posting Guidelines == == Version 1.11 May 31, 1995 == ========================================================================== == Maintained by J.D. Falk <jdfalk@cais.com> == == Posting Frequency Twice per month == ========================================================================== == Based on the PHL.FORSALE FAQ by Adrian Cybriwsky == ========================================================================== This document is intended to answer questions and clarify unofficial but generally accepted policies for the local USENET newsgroup titled 'dc.forsale'. If this document has been e-mailed to you, chances are that you have violated one of the generally accepted guidelines of 'dc.forsale'. Most likely, you have posted an inappropriate out-of area message to the newsgroup. You may receive more than one copy of this document. While the official _maintainer_ of the document is J.D. Falk <jdfalk@cais.com>, a number of others have decided to send it out as well, with the idea that reinforcement of ideas never hurts. Please realize that this is not a flame. It is always possible that I, being a human being, will incorrectly assume that your posting is inappropriate when actually it was -- most often because it was crossposted to a whole lot of other '*.forsale' groups, OUTSIDE of the D.C. area. So long as you follow the guidelines and suggestions below, you can rest assured that you are being a good net.citizen. The author of this document makes no claims as to the accuracy of this document. In short, it is provided "as is." However, I have endeavored to keep it as factual and usable as possible, so please feel free to EMail me or the rest of the members of the dc.forsale Guideline Advisory Committee <dcfadv@phzzzt.atww.org> with any comments you may have. This document is divided into three sections, as follows. The disclaimers and such, including the copyright notice and appropriate licenses, appear at the end for easier access to the meaty stuff. Part I - 'dc.forsale' related issues 1. What is 'dc.forsale'? 1.1 what is meant by "dc"? 2. What kinds of posts are acceptable to 'dc.forsale'? 3. What kinds of posts are unacceptable to 'dc.forsale'? 3.1 possible ramifications of posting unacceptable material 4. special case posts 4.1 commercial postings 4.2 legally questionable items/services wanted/forsale 4.3 discussion 5. If my post is unsuitable for 'dc.forsale', where might it better go? Part II - FAQ related issues 1. Who is the author of this document / who died and made him king, boss, judge, etc.? / Why was this FAQ written? 2. Who is the dc.forsale Advisory Committee? 3. General Disclaimer 4. How is this FAQ be distributed? (USENET, WWW, FTP, EMail) 5. How may I distribute this FAQ? 6. Can I use this FAQ as a basis of a FAQ for my (other, regional) newsgroup? X. Future FAQ matters I.1 What is 'dc.forsale'? 'dc.forsale' is a USENET newsgroup devoted exclusively to the sale and trade of items of specific interest to Washington, D.C. metro area [see I.1.1] residents. I.1.1 What is meant by "dc"? The "dc" of 'dc.forsale' is generally regarded as including the city of Washington, D.C. and its suburbs in Maryland and Virginia, as well as areas as distant as Baltimore, Maryland, Richmond, Virginia, Martinsburg, West Virginia, and the state of Delaware. 'dc.forsale' is analogous to New York City's 'ny.forsale', Philadelphia's 'phl.forsale', and Baltimore, Maryland's 'balt.forsale'. It is very rare that a posting should include more than one of these newsgroups, though Baltimore postings are commonly crossposted to 'dc.forsale' due to the poor propagation of 'balt.forsale' (not all Baltimore systems carry the newsgroup.) Almost never is there a reason that a posting should include more than two of these local newsgroups -- messages meant for a wider audience should be posted to newsgroups meant for wider propagation (see 1.5.) I.2 What kinds of posts are acceptable to 'dc.forsale'? Offers of sale/barter/giveaway of goods/services, notice of auction, desire to purchase/barter goods/services that are of specific interest to peoples residing in the area defined in I.1.1 should comprise the majority of posts to 'dc.forsale'. The items must be of particular interest to Washington, D.C. metro area residents as defined by the notion that either the item is relatively immobile/unshippable [couches, cars, grand pianos], located exclusively in the D.C. area [apartments, real estate], of particular interest to area residents [Books such as "Guide to to D.C. Restaurants"], or the buyer/seller does not want to deal with shipping out of area [perhaps the seller/buyer prefers dealing face-to-face.] I.3 What kinds of posts are unacceptable to 'dc.forsale'? Basically, posts that would be better served in other regional newsgroups or more general or item-specific newsgroups are unacceptable to 'dc.forsale'. This includes: - Economics 101 textbooks from U. Cal Berkeley - Dorm refrigerators from the University of Michigan - "Want to buy any memory" from anywhere in the world [try one of the misc.forsale.computers.* newsgroups] - "286-12 System, Loaded!" from South Florida - Real estate in Birmingham, U.K. - anything offered by someone out of the D.C. area to be shipped into D.C., but not of any more particular interest to D.C. residents than to Chicago residents. Additionally, notices of software available via the Internet are generally not appreciated. It's not a question of whether the item CAN BE SHIPPED into D.C.; with the great numbers of courier services available these days (_all_ of which have offices here in the Nation's Capital), absolutely anything can, conceivably, be shipped here. The question that should be asked before posting to 'dc.forsale' is whether the item could just as well go into a different newsgroup, such as one with broader scope (such as 'misc.forsale') or different, more appropriate regional focus. I.3.1 What are possible ramifications of posting inappropriate material? We KNOW that posting to a large number of regional forsale groups will undoubtedly give your item wider exposure and hence you will have a better chance of getting a good price for it. However, there are several reasons why you shouldn't: - Imagine if everybody did. The regional newsgroups would become effectively mirrors of 'misc.forsale'. The Internet is a self- policing entity relying on the intelligence and common sense of users to keep it afloat... and you would be destructive rather than constructive. - As such, it is incredibly poor netiquette. - Readers of 'dc.forsale' may take it upon themselves to write a letter to your system administrator [root@..] indicating your rudeness. In turn, your system administrator may, at his discretion, reduce your Internet access, account privileges, etc. The sysadmins I've contacted on this and related issues have unanimously concluded that this FAQ is in the right, and have thanked me for bringing this matter to their attention. This included system administrators of university sites, large online services, and smaller private access providers. - as if this were not enough, please realize that the vast majority of experienced 'net users truly abhor this type of breach of netiquette -- not because it is commercial, but because it makes the 'net a noisier, less pleasant place. - as mentioned at the top of this document, if you have had this FAQ e-mailed to you, chances are that you have breached rules of netiquette as perhaps outlined in this FAQ. Please take the information contained herein to heart, and let the e-mail to you be considered a first and only warning. I.4 Special Case Posts A number of posts are marginally acceptable in 'dc.forsale'. That is to say, there is no clear consensus as to whether or not they are acceptable to 'dc.forsale'. It must be noted that as they are only marginally acceptable, out-of-D.C. posts of these sort are often the /most/ frowned upon. I.4.1 Commercial Postings Commercial postings are offers to buy or sell by corporate or sub- corporate, profit-driven entities. This includes long distance phone service providers, tee-shirt printers, COMPUTER-RELATED ITEM MANUFACTURERS AND RESELLERS, lawyers, real-estate agents, travel agents, and others. It is my opinion that the larger the commercial entity, the less justified it is in posting to 'dc.forsale', as this is in violation of the "flea-market" air of the newsgroup. Local small businesses, vendors and service organizations should feel free to post to dc.forsale so long as the product or service they are selling is indigenous to the DC metro area. Please keep in mind though that even though this is a great opportunity for inexpensive advertising, many people who pay for their Internet/Usenet connectivity view this as advertising at their (the recipients') expense, just like unsolicited faxes. Please limit your posts to once a week if you do not have anything significant to change in the ad. News articles are usually archived on most sites for several days. Posting more frequently wastes space on someone else's machine--your low cost advertising is being underwritten by other folks, who then have to pass the costs along to their users (your prospective customers), so keep that in mind. Out-of-D.C. commercial postings are in EXTREME violation of netiquette. Note: In various *.forsale groups, there have been a few cases of commercial entities posting under the guise of an individual, private seller. If you have direct knowledge of the fact that a seller is indeed a commercial entity, you may be justified in posting a followup to the original message stating that that is indeed the case. Similarly, you may be justified in some cases in writing to the user's system administrator if you believe that the user's use of his account for commercial purposes may be in violation of that user's system policies. Most educational sites (designated by the .edu domain), for example, do not allow commercial posts by their users. It must be noted that George Washington University (*.gwu.edu) is included in this -- for some strange reason a large number of commercial posts have been seen from that site over the years, but we've been told by GWU administrators that these users are always dealt with. I.4.2 Legally-Questionable Goods/Services It is generally viewed as poor netiquette to post legally questionable offers for goods/services to 'dc.forsale'. This includes offers of sale of drugs, child pornography, weapons, sex, etc. Please use your best judgment before posting desire to buy or sell items of this sort. Sellers of pornography (including those "harmless" old Playboys you have in your attic) to minors is probably against the law in most places. If you have a legitimate goal of buying/selling items of an adult nature, please respect readers' sensibilities by using descriptions of an adult nature only where absolutely necessary. It may be best if posts of an adult nature ask for readers to email the seller for further information. I.4.3 Discussion For the most part, discussion in 'dc.forsale' should be kept to a minimum. However, messages telling of sales gone bad might be appropriate if they are not written provocatively as to degenerate into 'flame-wars.' If somebody offers a Chevrolet for sale, however, messages discussing the advantages of Fords to Chevrolets are not appropriate. In a similar vein, if somebody offers a memory chip for sale for $55, please do not follow up with a message stating that that is a ridiculous price unless you personally are prepared to sell the same item for less. Give free market mechanisms a little room to operate! I.5 If my post is unacceptable to 'dc.forsale', where might it better go? If your post is of a forsale/trade/want to buy nature, it might be better placed in: - misc.forsale [all items, net-wide] - misc.forsale.computers.* [computer related items net-wide] - *.marketplace [specific classes of items, such as autos, comic books, aviation items, etc. net-wide.] - biz.marketplace [nothing but commercial postings, often business-to-business] - a more appropriate local forsale group. etc. Please consult your system administrator [root@yoursite] if you need help in locating an appropriate newsgroup. I.6 Common Pitfall(s) - When posting to 'dc.forsale', please avoid from making posts with the message body "title says it all." Chances are, a potential customer's newsreader might not be able to display as long a title as you have entered. If you are in a rush to post your sale, the least you should do is repeat the title in the message body. II.1 Who is the author of this document / who died and made him king, etc. / Why was this FAQ written. J.D. Falk <jdfalk@cais.com> maintains the 'dc.forsale' version of this FAQ. It is heavily based on a similar FAQ for 'phl.forsale', written by Adrian Cybriwsky <adrianrc@astro.ocis.temple.edu>. There has also been much input from other people. Nobody died and made us kings, and as such this document does not necessarially represent any sort of established "laws." It is our best attempt towards bringing some form of order to a category of newsgroups which, given the rash of inappropriate posts of late, definitely needs it. Each draft of this document has been posted to 'dc.forsale', 'dc.general' (general discussion about the Washington, D.C. area), and 'dc.config' (discussion about the dc.* newsgroups.) At this time, I have received *NO* dissenting opinions from 'dc.forsale' readers, and many compliments and offers of thanks. It is clear that the readers of 'dc.forsale' appreciate this FAQ. However, if you don't like this FAQ, please feel free to make polite suggestions to the author(s) (either privately or in 'dc.general'), or write your own. II.2 Who is the dc.forsale Guideline Advisory Committee? Because it is best not to rely totally on one person's judgment in all issues, the dc.forsale Guideline Advisory Committee was formed by a number of concerned D.C.-area users, and is open to the public. The committee can be reached at <dcfadv@phzzzt.atww.org>. If you would like to join, or for other information, contact Michael Faurot <mfaurot@phzzzt.atww.org>. II.3 General Disclaimer. J.D. Falk, Adrian Cybriwsky, and the members of the dc.forsale Guideline Advisory Committee make no legally enforceable claims as to the accuracy of this document. As such, he/they are not responsible if reading it, downloading it, printing it out, or even being in the same room with it causes you to go blind, your computer to implode, or your dog to hate you. II.4 How is this FAQ distributed? This FAQ is posted automatically three times per month to 'dc.forsale' and 'dc.general' by the maintainer, J.D. Falk <jdfalk@cais.com>. It can also be obtained more immediately via the following methods: World Wide Web <http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/html/dc.forsale.html> FTP cais.com, filename '/pub/jdfalk/forsale/dc.forsale.FAQ' EMail Send a message to <majordomo@phzzzt.atww.org> containing nothing but the words "get dcfadv dc.forsale.faq" (the subject line will be ignored.) It may take as long as a full day before you receive the document. Or, send a message to <jdfalk@cais.com> with a subject line of "gimme dc.forsale.FAQ" (no quotes, body will be ignored.) II.5 How may I distribute this FAQ? Please see the copyright notice below. If it is unclear or you have any questions, contact the FAQ maintainer at <jdfalk@cais.com>. II.6 Can I use this FAQ as a basis for my (other, regional) newsgroup? Yes. In fact, this FAQ is directly based on the 'phl.forsale' FAQ, and includes a great many quoted portions from that document. However, please cite the authors where appropriate. In fact, this entire document may be used as a FAQ for another newsgroup with only place names changed. However, I do not wish to be responsible for answering questions in regards to newsgroups from Buffalo to San Luis Opisbo, so if you are going to use this FAQ for your newsgroup, make sure you set it up so I won't have to. I would also appreciate your telling me that you are indeed going to use the FAQ. II.X Topics to be covered in future versions of this FAQ include: - Somebody has ripped me off, what should I do? - Anything else people bring up. This document is not complete, but I'll post it as a start. Just remember the Golden Rule: If you don't like it, write your own damn FAQ. (or make polite suggestions about improving mine.) Also, you are free to contact the dc.forsale Advisory Committee or post publically in 'dc.general', where any major revisions are discussed before going into effect. ---------- This document is Copyright (c) 1995 by J.D. Falk, all rights reserved. Permission is granted to reproduce it electronically on any system connected to the various networks which make up the Internet, USENET, and FidoNet, so long as it is reproduced in its entirety, unedited, and with this copyright notice intact. -- User Contributions:
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