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Subject: 2. Macintosh Information
Subject: 2.1. Macintosh Font formats
Bitmap Fonts
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Bitmap fonts: on the Macintosh, bitmap fonts also contain the kerning
information for a font and must be installed with both type 1 and type
3 fonts. Their presence also speeds the display of commonly used font
sizes.
PostScript Type 1
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Postscript Type 1 fonts can be installed on the Macintosh only by using
accompanying bitmapped fonts.
PostScript Type 3
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Postscript Type 3 fonts are installed on the Macintosh in the same way
that Type 1 fonts are.
TrueType
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Truetype fonts: no bitmapped font is necessary with this type, though
commonly used sizes are often supplied.
QuickDraw GX
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This section was constructed from postings by Charles A. Bigelow, Peter
Moller, David Opstad, and Michael Wang from Sep 93.
What is it?
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QuickDraw GX (QDGX) is the new Mac OS engine for handling screen
presentation. It has many advantages over older engines, among them the
ability to get ligatures, swashes etc. on the fly. QDGX is also a
16-bit font format that allows for example users in Korea to run their
machines in their native tounge as well as write.
How is it related to Unicode?
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Although QDGX is a 16-bit encoding, it is "orthogonal" to Unicode
Unicode, to use a jargon term. A TrueType font, GX or otherwise, can be
encoded using the Unicode standard, but that isn't necessary. However, a
TrueType font, and especially a GX font, can contain glyphs for which
there is no unique Unicode encoding, e.g. the 'fi' ligature, or a swash
'a' with a trailing curlicue. TrueType GX fonts, however, contain
additional information and structure that allows the QDGX system to
properly substitute variant glyphs for certain characters in the text.
For the above examples, QDGX will, if requested, look for the sequence
'f' + 'i' and substitute the 'fi' ligature, or look for 'a' at the end
of a line and substitute the glyph 'a-trailing curlicue'.
It is really quite charming to see this happen, and it makes the font
[...] a clever, trained circus dog that does tricks than a simple font.
The GX fonts begin to show an additional personality beyond the image of
the glyphs. In fact, the font can contain a state machine that controls
the substitution process--in effect, a computer program. There is
provision for another state machine controlling kerning as well, to get
around the problems that can arise with simple pair-based kerning.
David Opstad contributes the following:
The bidirectional text reordering algorithm defined in Unicode is fully
implemented in GX (in fact, during our testing of GX we uncovered some
problems with the Unicode specification!) Also, and most unfortunately,
since Unicode is the product of an international committee process there
were certain compromises that were made in the design, so there really
are Unicode character codes for certain ligatures and contextual forms
(e.g. the "Basic Glyphs for Arabic Language" codes starting at U+FE70).
Note, however, that GX does not use these; we do Arabic contextual
processing the same way we do Roman contextual processing. Indeed, it
is this uniformity of approach that is, I believe, one of GX's main
strengths.
One of my greatest hopes (that keeps me going after having worked on
getting GX done for over five years now) is that we're going to see a
real renaissance of fonts and creativity in font designs. GX finally
gets us back to the elegance of calligraphy, with the repeatability and
precision of the computer.
What about rotation?
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QDGX supports full 3X3 transformations (including perspective) on all
objects in the graphics system, including text. Anti-aliasing is not
included in GX 1.0, but we're looking at it for future versions.
Is QDGX limited to TrueType fonts?
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Michael Wang contributes:
Just to clarify, the component of QuickDraw GX that deals with font
features like automatic ligature substitution is called the Line Layout
Manager (which I'll abbreviate as LLM), and LLM features are
independent of scaler technology. In other words, a Type 1 font can
have all of the LLM features that a TrueType font can have under
QuickDraw GX.
In fact, Apple and Adobe bundle a GX version of ATM with the QuickDraw
GX release along with a Type 1 GX version of Tekton Regular which
includes lots of additional glyphs and supports most of the LLM
features. If you are a Macintosh developer, there are beta GX versions
of ATM and Tekton that you can play around with on the QuickDraw GX
1.0b1 release that is part of the WWDC CD.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro contributes:
One implication of GX for font installation is that Type 1 fonts no
longer come in "bitmap" vs "screen" versions that live in separate
files: under QuickDraw GX, they live in "sfnt" resources, and install no
differently from TrueType fonts.
As of 1 Mar 95, QuickDraw GX 1.0.1 is the current release.
Subject: 2.2. Frequently Requested Mac Fonts
Greek Fonts
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This section was constructed from a posting by John Amanatides in Jan
1995.
There are three ways to get Greek out of a Mac. Approach one is to
simply use the Symbol font; this solution is the easiest but Symbol
doesn't have accents and you cannot easily exchange files with friends
in Greece. Approach two is go all the way and install Apple's Greek
system software on your Mac. It would make it identical to a machine
sold in Greece and is really only an option for the diehards. Approach
three is to just get a Greek keyboard driver and Greek typefaces. This
article talks mostly about approach three while it does also mention the
others.
First some background. Until the early '80s the Greek alphabet included
quite a lot of different diacritical marks. Thus if you are interested
in classical Greek you will need to get a polytonic version of the
typeface. Modern Greek now only uses accents, simplifying the use of
the alphabet and this is normally what you will get when you ask for a
Greek typeface.
There are several encodings of the Greek alphabet. ISO-8859-7 is the
most standard. It is an 8-bit encoding that uses the regular 7-bit
ASCII standard in the lower 128 positions and Greek in the upper 128.
Unfortunately, Apple did not use it (sigh). Apple's encoding is
slightly different in the upper 128 positions. All modern Greek
typefaces for the Mac seem to use this encoding and if you use it you
can exchange files with your friends in Greece (and use Greek
dictionaries!). If you are interested in classical Greek things become
a little trickier. I don't know if there is a standard but Linguist's
Software's (see below) encoding seems to be the most popular.
Sources of Greek Fonts for the Mac
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Apple
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You can go all the way with Apple and get their Greek system software
but getting it is non-trivial. In North America the only way to get it
seems to be to get the "Apple Developer Mailing" from APDA. Designed
for developers, you get a CD mailed to you monthly. The CD contains
the most recent worldwide Mac system software along with a lot of other
stuff. It costs \$250 US and you get updates for a year. The Greek
system software contains TrueType versions of GrCourier, GrHelvetica,
GrTimes and several bitmap versions of some of Apple's other typefaces
along with the Greek keyboard driver.
APDA 800-282-2732 US
800-637-0029 Canada
716-871-6555
A second place to get Greek system software is in Greece. Apple's
distributor is:
Rainbow Computer S.A.
Elia Eliou 75
Neos Kosmos, Athens
Greece 117 44
30-1-9012892 Voice
30-1-9012540 FAX
Just because you have the Greek system software doesn't mean you have
to install the whole system; you can just take the Greek typefaces and
the Greek keyboard driver and use them with your current system
software.
Note: Linguists' Software (see below) also market version 6.0.3 of the
Greek operating system.
Linotype-Hell
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Linotype sells a variety of Type1 Greek typefaces in both modern and
polytonic versions and in a variety of weights/styles: Times,
Helvetica, Baskerville, New Century Schoolbook and Souvenir. The
easiest way to purchase them is to get Linotype's CD of locked
typefaces (a new one is coming out in Dec. '94). The CD costs \$49 US
and comes with 4 free fonts. A Greek keyboard driver comes with the
typefaces. Linotype can be reached at:
Linotype-Hell Company
425 Oser Avenue
Hauppage, NY, 11788
USA
800-633-1900
516-434-3616 FAX
These typefaces are also distributed by FontShop (see below) Note: the
new CD works on both a Mac and a PC and when you unlock a typeface you
unlock for both systems.
FontShop
........
FontShop is an international chain of stores which supplies a wide
variety of typefaces to both professionals and the rest of us. Their
North American address is:
FontShop Canada Limited
510 Front Street West
Toronto, Ontario
Canada M5V 3H3
800-363-6687
416-348-0916 FAX
Monotype
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Monotype offers two Greek typefaces on their locked CD: Times New Roman
Greek and Arial Greek. Each typeface comes in four weights/styles.
Their CD lists for \$49 and you get 8 free fonts (just enough for both
of their Greek typefaces :-). You can reach Monotype at:
Monotype Typography Inc.
Suite 2630, 150 South Wacker Drive
Chicago, IL, 60606
USA
800-MONOTYP (800-666-6897)
312-855-9475 FAX
These typefaces are also distributed by FontShop. Note: you get a 5 CPU
license.
Linguist's Software
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Linguist's Software has typefaces for over 250 world languages and
gives several options for those interested in Greek. First, you can
purchase the Greek operating system for the Mac version 6.0.3. This
includes GrTimes and GrHelvetica (Type 3) as well as several bit-mapped
system fonts. Second, you can purchase their modern Greek typefaces
Olympus and Philippi (Times and Helvetica clones) in four
weights/styles and in both Type1 and TrueType along with a keyboard
driver for System 7. Finally, they have their own TrueType and Type1
typefaces in the LaserGreek package. These are of particular interest
to Greek scholars since they include extra diacritics for ancient/N.T.
Greek. This package now includes a Uncail typeface. LaserGreek: \$99;
Modern Greek + keyboard driver: \$99; LaserGreek + GreekOS: \$139;
LaserGreek + Modern Greek + keyboard driver: \$139.
Linguist's Software
PO Box 580
Edmonds, WA 98020-0580
USA
206-775-1130
206-771-5911 FAX
Ecological Linguistics
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Ecological Linguistics also provides typfaces for a wide variety of
world languages. They have a polytonic version of Times (GreekTimes)
in their GreekClassical package and monotonic versions of Times and
Helvetica (GkTimes, GkHelvetica) in four weights/styles in their
GreekModern package. Both the GreekClassical and GreekModern packages
are \$60 US each and come with a keyboard driver.
Ecological Linguistics
P.O. Box 15156
Washington, D.C., 20003
U.S.A.
202-546-5862
MacCampus
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MacCampus of Germany provides Greek and other Eastern European
typefaces. The Greek typefaces come in two flavors: those that are
based on the modern Greek keyboard layout and those based on the Symbol
font layout. MacCampus provides a keyboard driver so that you can use
the former type on non-Greek Macs.
The typefaces available are:
Modern Greek (Greek layout): Olympia (Helvetica clone) and Tiryns
(Times clone) in 4 weights/styles
Classical Greek (extra diacritics, Symbol layout): Agora Times,
Parmenides (light, sans-serif)
MacCampus
C. Kempgen
An den Weihern 18
D-96135 Stegaurach
Germany
(0951) 296739
(0951) 296425 FAX
MacCampus typefaces are distributed by FontShop.
Font World
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Another Greek typeface distributor is Font World. They also sell a
variety of Eastern European typefaces. They provide a package of
keyboard drivers for a variety of different world languages. The
modern Greek typefaces are: FW Palace GK (Palatino?), FW Baskerfield
GK, FW Peace GK (sans serif) & condensed version, FW Pithos GK
(Lithos?), FW Stencil GK, FW Textbook GK, FW Tourist GK (Souvenir) and
FW World GK (Times?). They come in a variety of weights/styles and go
for about \$100-\$200.
Font World, Inc.
2021 Scottsville Road,
Rochester, NY 12623
USA
716-235-6861
716-235-6950 FAX
SkepsiS
.......
SkepsiS is a Greek publishing company that is heavily into Macs. They
have created and sell several nice typefaces in several weights/styles:
Corfu (New Century Schoolbook?), Ithaca (Souvenir?), Rhodes
(University?), Mykonos (Courier?), Paros (Antique Olive?), Samos
(modern serif), GtcFutura (Futura?), Naxos (Eurostile?), Ios (?) The
cost for a package containing the above is 60,000 drachmas.
SkepsiS Ltd
El. Benizelou 184
T.K. 176 75, Kallithea
Athens, Greece
30-1-952-2086
30-1-952-2088 FAX
Magenta
.......
Magenta is a Greek company that sells typefaces for Macs and PCs.
Their catalog lists over 70 typefaces with names like MgBodoni,
MgOptima, MgAvantGarde, etc in a variety of weights/styles. Most are
modern Greek but they also have a few classical typefaces. Each
typeface family goes for about 8,500 drachmas.
Magenta Ltd
Antimaxou 17
115 28 Athens
Greece
30-1-722-9292 phone/FAX
Note, I have tried to contact Magenta recently and have gotten no
response.
Fronteiras
..........
Fonteiras is a German company that produces non-roman typefaces. They
have 26 Greek typefaces, display and text, both polytonic and
monotonic. Some of the families include clones of Dynamo, Stencil,
Broadway, Revue, Futura Black, Lithos, Industria, Insignia, Palatino,
Helvetica, Times, etc. Packages go for about \$150-\$200 US and include
a Greek keyboard driver. The monotonic typfaces have kerning tables and
some have real italics. (Most other vendors only have obliques.)
Fronteiras
Luisenstr. 22
D-60316 Franfurt
Germany
49-069-4980498 phone/FAX
100443.1305@compuserve.com
Freeware/Shareware
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There is a free classical Greek typeface called Ismini that is available
on the net at:
mac.archive.umich.edu:mac/system.extensions/font/type1/ismini.cpt.hqx
Unfortunately, I don't think it uses the same encoding as Linguist's
Software.
Other Fonts
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Many fonts are available at various archives. The king of Macintosh
font archives is mac.archive.umich.edu. On mac.archive.umich.edu, the
fonts are located in the following folders:
/mac/system.extensions/font/type1
/mac/system.extensions/font/type3
/mac/system.extensions/font/truetype
The following fonts are in Type 1 format for the Macintosh. Some are
also available in TrueType format.
* Tamil
Paladam, T. Govindram
* Hebrew
ShalomScript, ShalomOldStyle, ShalomStick, Jonathan Brecher
* Japanese
Shorai (Hirigana, with application)
* Star Trek
StarTrekClassic, Star TrekClassicMovies, StarTrekTNGCrille,
StarTrekTNG Titles, TNG monitors, StarFleet, Klinzai (Klingon font)
* Command-key symbol
Chicago (TrueType or bitmap, key: Ctrl-Q), Chicago Symbols
(Type3, key: 1), EncycloFont (Type3, key: d)
* Astrologic/Astronomic symbols
Hermetica (Type1), InternationalSymbols (Type 3, Mars and Venus
only), MortBats (Type3), Zodiac (bitmap)
* IBM OEM Line Drawing Characters
Try Adobe PrestigeElite or Adobe LetterGothic. They have all the
characters you want, but the `line draw' characters are unencoded
-- you will need tools to reencode the outline font itself and
make a new PFM metric files.
Or try IBMExtended from Impramatur Systems in Cambridge, Mass. It
already is encoded using IBM OEM encoding (some DOS code page).
The IBM version of Courier distributed freely under the X11
Consortium also contains the appropriate characters. It is
distributed in PC format, however. Again, the font will have to
be reencoded for Windows. Appropriate AFM files for this font can
be obtained from:
http://www.ora.com/homepages/comp.fonts/FAQ-tools.html.
Many of these mac fonts are available in files that are either entitled
xxxx.sit or xxxx.cpt. xxxx.sit files are Stuffit archives. xxxx.cpt
files are Compact Pro archives. StuffitLite (shareware $25) and Compact
Pro (shareware $25) are available at the standard ftp sites.
Uncompressors for these programs (free) are also available at the
archive sites. Check the utilities/compression utilities folders.
Subject: 2.3. Commercial Font Sources
Commercial fonts can be obtained from a number of different companies,
including the large font houses: Adobe, Font Haus, Font Company,
Bitstream, and Monotype. At these companies, fonts cost about $40 for a
single face, and must be purchased in packages. Adobe, Bitstream, and
Monotype also sell pre-designated type collections for slightly lower
prices.
Image Club sells a wide selection of fonts for about $50 for a 4 font
family.
Other, cheaper companies sell fonts of lesser quality, including
KeyFonts, which sells a set of 100 fonts for $50 and Casady & Green's
Fluent Laser Fonts, a set of 79 fonts for $99. Casady & Greene also
sells Cyrillic language fonts in Times, Bodoni, and Helvetica sell for
about $40 for each 4 font family.
Foreign language fonts, ranging from Egyptian hieroglyphics to Cyrillic
can be obtained from Ecological Linguistics.
Please consult the vendor list for a more complete list of vendors.
Subject: 2.4. Mac Font Installation
* System 7
Install the fonts by opening the suitcase containing the bitmap
file and dropping the fonts into your system suitcase, located
inside your system folder. You will need to quit all other
applications before doing this. For a TrueType font, the icon for
the font will have a stack of "A"s in it, instead of just one.
Dropping it into your system suitcase will make all sizes of the
font available. For Postscript type 1 fonts, you also need to
place the printer font in the extensions folder in your system
folder. If you are using ATM you need to place these fonts in the
root level of your system folder (not inside another folder).
Using Suitcase, a font management utility, you can avoid
cluttering your system folder with printer fonts.
You can make new suitcases of fonts (generally not needed, but
used by those who use Suitcase) by using Font DA mover. It
operates the same as in system 6, except that the most recent
version must be used.
* System 6
Bitmap fonts can be installed using Font DA mover to move the
fonts, located inside suitcases, into your system. You will need
to restart your computer to make these fonts available. Printer
fonts must be placed in the system folder, not inside any other
folder.
Truetype fonts can be used with system 6 if you get the Truetype
init. Then the fonts can be installed in your system with Font DA
mover. Suitcase can also be used under system 6.
Subject: 2.5. Mac Font Utilities
* SUITCASE
Suitcase is a nifty little system extension that lets you avoid
having to install fonts into your system. In system 6, it means
that you can avoid restarting your system every time you want to
install a new font.
In system 7, Suitcase lets you avoid quitting all applications
before making fonts available. Some programs, like Quark Xpress
will automatically update their font list when you open a new
suitcase, allowing much more flexibility in opening and closing
font suitcases and making different sets of fonts available.
Suitcase appears in your Apple menu in both system 7 and 6 and
allows you to open suitcases, as though they were files, thus
making the fonts contained in them accessible to programs.
In addition, when suitcase is installed, printer fonts can be
stored with the bitmap suitcases they correspond to, instead of
having to drop them into your system folder.
The most recent version of Suitcase is compatible with TrueType.
Suitcase is about $54 from the mail order places.
* Carpetbag
A shareware program with functionality equivalent to Suitcase.
* MASTER JUGGLER
Does similar things
* ATM
Adobe Type Manager is an Init and Control panel allows accurate
screen display, at any size of PostScript type 1 fonts. It's
function is replicated with Truetype (but for different outline
font format). With it installed, you can print fonts of any size
to non-PostScript printers. When using ATM, printer fonts must
either be stored with the bitmap files opened with suitcase (when
using Suitcase), or they must be stored in the root level of the
system folder (with System 7.0, printer fonts must be stored in
the Extension folder if you are not using Suitcase). ATM is now
available, with the System 7.0 upgrade, as well as directly from
adobe with 4 Garamond fonts.
ATM is not built into System 7.1 as previously expected. With
System 7.1, printer fonts must be stored in the Fonts folder if
you are not using Suitcase.
If you are using version 7.x prior to 7.1, the following hack
allows you to have a Font folder (if you don't use Suitcase):
Open the second 'DCOD' resource from the ATM 68020/030 file. Do an
ASCII search for the string "extn" and change it to "font" (it's
case sensitive). Save, close, and Reboot.
This process should work for 68000 machines using the proper ATM
file instead.
* Super ATM
This is a utility that will create fonts, on the fly, that match
the metrics of any Adobe-brand fonts you don't have. It does a
remarkably good job of mimicry because it uses two "generic"
Multiple Master typefaces, serif and sans serif to simulate the
appearance of the missing typefaces. (There is a 1.4 megabyte
database file that allows Super ATM to simulate the fonts that
aren't there.) You also get Type On Call (a CD-ROM), which has
locked outline fonts, and unlocked screen font for all but the
most recent faces in the Adobe Type library.
* TTconverter
A shareware accessory available at the usual archives will convert
Truetype fonts for the IBM into Macintosh format.
* reAdobe
Converts text (PFA) format PostScript Type 1 fonts into Mac format.
* unAdobe
Converts Mac format PostScript Type 1 fonts into text (PFA) format.
* Microsoft Font Pack
If you work with a mixture of Macs and PCs running Windows 3.1,
this is a good deal; 100 TrueType fonts compromising the Windows
3.1 standard set and the two Font Packs for Windows. This includes
various display fonts, the Windows Wingdings font, and the Lucida
family.
A variety of programs, for example, Font Harmony, etc. will allow you
to change the names and ID numbers of your fonts.
Fontmonger and Metamorphosis will let you convert fonts among several
formats (type 1 and 3 and Truetype for the Mac and PC), as well as
letting you extract the font outlines from the printer fonts.
Subject: 2.6. Making Outline Fonts
This is very, very difficult. Many people imagine that there are
programs that will simply convert pictures into fonts for them. This is
not the case; most fonts are painstakingly created by drawing curves
that closely approximate the letterforms. In addition, special rules
(which improve hinting, etc.) mandate that these curves be drawn in
specific ways. Even designing, or merely digitizing, a simple font can
take hundreds of hours.
Given that, there are two major programs used for font design on the
Macintosh, Fontographer ($280) and FontStudio ($400). These programs
will allow you to import scanned images, and then trace them with
drawing tools. The programs will then generate type 1, 3, TrueType and
Bitmap fonts for either the Macintosh or the IBM PC. They will also
generate automatic hinting. They also open previously constructed
outline fonts, allowing them to be modified, or converted into another
format.
As far as I know, there are no shareware programs that allow you to
generate outline fonts.
Subject: 2.7. Problems and Possible Solutions
1. Another font mysteriously appears when you select a certain font
for display.
This is often the result of a font id conflict. All fonts on the
Macintosh are assigned a font id, an integer value. When two fonts
have the same id, some programs can become confused about the
appropriate font to use. Microsoft word 4.0 used font id's to
assign fonts, not their names. Since id's can be different on
different computers, a word document's font could change when it
was moved from one computer to another. Other signs of font id
problems are inappropriate kerning or leading (the space between
lines of text). Some font ID problems can be resolved by using
Suitcase, which will reassign font ID's for you, as well as saving
a font ID file that can be moved from computer to computer to keep
the id's consistent. Font ID problems can also be solved with
several type utilities, which will allow you to reassign font
id's. Most newer programs refer to fonts correctly by name
instead of id number, which should reduce the frequency of this
problem.
2. When using a document written in MSWord 5.0, the font mysteriously
changes when you switch from your computer at home to work, or
vice versa.
This is the result of a bug in MSWord 5.0. The MSWord 5.0 updater,
which can be found at the info-mac archives at sumex (in the demo
folder), will fix this bug.
Subject: 2.8. Creating Mac screen fonts
Creating Mac screen fonts from Type 1 outlines
==============================================
Peter DiCamillo contributes the following public domain solution:
BitFont is a program which will create a bitmapped font from any font
which can be drawn on your Macintosh. In addition to standard
bitmapped fonts, it works with Adobe outline fonts when the Adobe Type
Manager is installed, and works with TrueType? fonts. BitFont will
also tell you how QuickDraw will draw a given font (bitmapped, ATM, or
TrueType) and can create a text file describing a font and all its
characters.
BitFont was written using MPW C version 3.2. It is in the public
domain and may be freely distributed. The distribution files include
the source code for BitFont.
Berthold K.P. Horn contributes the following solution.
This is a commercial solution. A font manipulation package from Y&Y
includes:
AFMtoPFM, PFMtoAFM, AFMtoTFM, TFMtoAFM, AFMtoSCR, SCRtoAFM, TFMtoMET,
PFBtoPFA, PFAtoPFB, MACtoPFA, PFBtoMAC, REENCODE, MODEX, DOWNLOAD,
SERIAL, and some other stuff I forget.
To convert PC Type 1 fonts to Macintosh use PFBtoMAC on the outline
font itself; then use AFMtoSCR to make the Mac `screen font'
(repository of metric info). You may need to use PFMtoAFM to first make
AFM file.
To convert Macintosh font to PC Type 1, use MACtoPFA, followed by
PFAtoPFB. Then run SCRtoAFM on screen font to make AFM file. Finally,
run AFMtoPFM to make Windows font metric file.
Y&Y are the `TeX without BitMaps' people (see ad in TUGboat):
Y&Y makes DVPSONE, DVIWindo, and fonts, for use with TeX mostly, in
fully hinted Adobe Type 1 format.
Y&Y, Inc., 45 Walden Street, Concord MA 01742 USA
(800) 742-4059
(508) 371-3286 (voice)
(508) 371-2004 (fax)
Mac Screen fonts can be constructed from outline fonts using
Fontographer, as well.
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