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6 February 1997


This is the last section of the five part Frequently Asked
Questions list for alt.folklore.urban.  This section credits
posters who have contributed in the spirit of the newsgroup
and also lists some basic references.  Note, many of the ULs
discussed in the FAQ list as being "F" or "T" are discussed
in one of the following references.


Many Thanks to the Following Posters for Relevant Information on
the FAQ List and for Contributing to the Overall Spirit and Quality
of alt.folklore.urban.
Bo Bradham, Jane Beckman, Steven Bellovin, Conrad Black, Mark Brader, Bo
Bradham, Jean-Louis Brodu, Justin Bukowski, Danny Burstein, Jack Campin, 
Raymond Chen, Joe Chew, Bob Church, Tom "Splinter" Cikowski, Patrick S Clark, 
Guy Coates, Cathi A.Cook, Camilla A. Cracchiolo, Cindy Davies, Glenn Davis, 
Jeff Davis, Ray Depew, Scott Deerwester, Larry Doering, all the Terry's: 
Carroll, Chan, Monks, Wood, et al., David Esan, Clive Feather, Sharon Fenick,
Greg Franklin, Alan Frisbie, Joel Furr, Kim Greer, Tom Greer, Dave Gross, 
Phil Gustafson, Barbara Hamel^WMikkelson, David A. Honigs, David B. Horvath, 
Wendy Foran Howard, Mark Israel, Richard Joltes, Jim Jones, Diane Kelly, Emily 
Kelly, Phil Kernick, Ron Knight, David Lesher, Andrew Lewis, Helge Molding, 
Dean "dino" Moore, Susan Mudgett, Ian Munro, Bill Nelson, Tom Neff, Bob 
O'Brien, Madeleine Page, Jonathan Papai, Christophe Pettus, Lee Rudolph, saki, 
G. Paul Savage, Brian Scearce, Sean Smith, Randal Schwartz, Ken Shirriff, Doug 
Spindler, Haakon Styri, Derek Tearne, Michelle Tepper, Harry Teasley, Bruce 
Tindall, Dwight Tovey, Peter van der Linden, Will Wheeler, Greg Widdicombe, 
Dan Wright.


Have you ever wondered how those people have gotten the name at the end
of the FAQ list?  They are people who are widely recognized as thoughtful 
posters of reliable information. They have consistently added value to 
various debates by sharing their point of view, and often researching 
difficult questions which arise on the net, and posting authoritative facts 
citing sources.

The official way for joining the list of distinguished AFU-ers is to
research a number of the unanswered questions that come now and then
and reach a definitive conclusion (or demonstrate that one cannot be 
found).  Post your findings.  If your reports are sound, and have
provide a reasonable contribution to the signal-to-noise ratio of
the newsgroup, and the original question was non-trivial, you will 
be added to the acknowledgements section of the FAQ list!  Be prepared 
to submit references.  We are mostly adults here (except around the 
beginning of the academic year).  Be prepared to discuss and debate 
your research and conclusions here.  The unofficial way to get on the 
list is to give me a big payoff (and it better be more than two-fifty).


Peter van der Linden, _Expert C Programming_, 1994, Prentice-Hall.  
   ISBN 0-13-177429-8, paperback, 384 pages, US$32.  An provocative
   and lively excursion into the depths of mental anguish and 
   instability that give rise to urban legends such as C.  Recommended
   for people of all ages and religious persuasions.  If this isn't
   the most spine-tingling book you read this year, you haven't lived!
   So controversial that the Book of the Month Club won't even acknowledge

   Also by the same author: _The Official Handbook of Practical Jokes_ 
   Signet, ISBN 0-451-15873-3, 1989, _The Second Official Handbook of 
   Practical Jokes_, 1991, Signet, ISBN 0-451-16924-7.  


Simon J. Bronner, _Piled Higher and Deeper_, 1990, ISBN 0-87483-154-7,
   August House.  Very readable and interesting collection of campus
   and academic folklore.

Jan Harold Brunvand (_The Vanishing Hitchhiker_, 1981, ISBN 0-393-95169-3;
   _The Choking Doberman_, 1984, ISBN 0-393-30321-7; _The Mexican Pet_, 
   1986, ISBN 0-393-30542-2; _Curses! Broiled Again_, 1989, ISBN 0-393-
   30711-5, _The Baby Train_, 1993, ISBN 0-393-03438-0; _The Study of 
   American Folklore_, 3rd Ed., 1986, all published by W.W. Norton); 
   _Folklore: A Study and Research Guide_, 1976, St. Martin's (out of 
   print).  JHB is one of the leading folklorists in this field today 
   and has done much to popularize the study of ULs.  Also has a great 
   back hand and skis a mean "figure 11."  

Alan Dundes, _Cracking Jokes:  Studies of Sick Humor Cycles and
   Stereotypes_, 1987, Ten Speed Press.  Curious about what makes
   sick humor popular?  Check this baby out so you'll be ready the
   next time an Olympian gets whacked with a crowbar.

Alan Dundes and Carl Pagter, _Urban folklore from the Paperwork 
   Empire_, 1975, American Folklore Society.  You want it when?
   Find out about it and other Xerox lore in the modern (or not
   so modern) office in this series of collections by Dundes and 

Arthur Goldstuck, _The Ink in the Porridge:  Urban Legends of 
   South African Elections_, Penguin, 1994.  Interesting short
   study on ULs in a seminal event in our time.  You can also
   email him at

Beng af Klintberg, _R&ttan i Pizzan_ (The rat in the pizza. The 
   '&' is an a-with-a-ring-above), Pan, 1990 ISBN 91-1-893831-0.
   Haakon Styri, maintainer of the Norway AFU ftp site says Bengt 
   af Klintberg writes in a Brunvandish style. He lists 100 legends, 
   unfortunately not classified by topic. Though many of the legends 
   are well known in other parts of the world there are a few that 
   may be European.

Iona and Peter Opie, _The Lore and Language of School-Children_, 
   Oxford, Clarendon P., 1972.  Noted poster Jack Campin says:  
   "This [book] has some mind-boggling figures on the speed and 
   effectiveness of folklore transmission by kids."

Paul Smith, _The Complete Book of Office Mis-practice_, 1984,  London; 
   Boston: Routledge & K. Paul, 1984.  Covers some of the same subject 
   matter as Dundes and Pagter.  Other comments by Jack Campin:

      "He's also done a series of popular books with titles 
      incorporating the phrase "Nasty Legends" (rather like 
      Brunvand's stuff) and some heavyweight folklore theory 
      in a series he edits called "Perspectives on Contemporary

   Smith has also co-authored two books with Gillian Bennett 
   entitled, _Monsters with Iron Teeth_, 1988, and _Perspectives 
   on Contemporary Legend_, 1987, both published by Sheffield 
   Sheffield Academic Press. 

Patricia Turner, _I Heard It Through the Grapevine:  Rumor in African-
   American Culture_, 1993, University of California Press.  Provides
   interesting insights into the propagation of urban legends in
   African-American Culture.


The International Society for Contemporary Legend Research (ISCLR)
has two publications of interest.  

_FOAFtale News_ is the newsletter of the society and contains 
information from around the world along with extensive 
bibliographies and reports and notes from other related publications.  
It is published quarterly.

_Contemporary Legend_ is a refereed journal of scholarly articles
on legends.  It is edited by Paul Smith.

Membership in ISCLR entitles one to both publications.  For US and
Canadian subscription information, write to:  Paul Smith, Department
of Folklore, Memorial University, St. John's, Newfoundland, CANADA
A1C 5S7.  Subscription rates as of July 1994 are US$18 or 10 pounds


Cecil Adams (_The Straight Dope_, 1984, ISBN 0-345-33315-2, _More of the
   Straight Dope_, 1988, ISBN 0-345-35145-2, _Return of the Straight
   Dope_, 1994, ISBN 0-345-38111-4, all published by Ballantine Books).  
   Author of "The Straight Dope" Q&A column of _The Chicago Reader_ and 
   is syndicated in many alternative newspapers.  Worth reading if only 
   for for his writing style.  You can e-mail his editor, Ed Zotti, at

Alfie Kohn, _You Know What They Say...The Truth About Popular Beliefs_,
   1990, ISBN 0-06-092115-3, Harper.  Pretty good book with, get this,
   *references* to stuff in the back.  This is a good habit which some
   of you folks may want to try sometime...

Paul Krassner (ed.), _Best of the Realist_, 1984, ISBN 0-89471-287-X, 
   Running Press.  The worst thing about _BotR_, is that the reprints 
   aren't dated.  Otherwise the book is a must, especially for the 
   generation X crowd: articles by Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, Robert 
   Anton Wilson, Terry Southern, Mae Brussel, and Margo St. James; art 
   by Rodrigues, S. Clay Wilson, and the pre-carp Richard Guindon.  Not 
   to mention "The Parts Left Out of the Kennedy Book", "The Case of 
   the Cock-Sure Groupies" (the Plaster Casters), and an illegal Groucho 
   Marx quote: "I think the only hope this country has is Nixon's 
   assassination."  [Unfortunately, this appears to be out of print.]

G. & C. Merriam Co., _Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary_, 1977, ISBN 
   0-87779-348-4.  Great bedside reading.  Check it out sometime.  
   There's also the OED, but Bruce Tindall has first dibs on it.

William Poundstone (_Big Secrets_, 1983, Quill, ISBN 0-688-04830-7,
   _Bigger Secrets_, 1986, Houghton-Mifflin, ISBN 0-395-53008-3,
   and _Biggest Secrets_, Quill (Wm. Morrow), ISBN 0-688-13792-X).
   Sorry, it's a secret.  Peter Trei says the stuff on Masons is total 
   BS, but then, he WOULD say that.  Perhaps the weakest of the lot 
   though still on target and somewhat interesting for the most part.

Jesse Sheidlower  (ed.), _The F-Word,_, Random House, 1995, ISBN
   0-679-76427-5.  But only if you give a fuck.

Bruce Tindall and Mark Watson, _Did Mohawks Wear Mohawks?  And Other
   Wonders, Plunders, and Blunders_, Quill - William and Morrow, 1991.
   ISBN 0-688-09859-2.  Damn good book (even if his father did write
   _America:  A Narrative History_) with only one wrong entry so far.  
   Just don't believe what they say about dalmatians, humans, and urea.  
   You can even e-mail Bruce on the net at 
   to blast 'im.  

   And wouldn't you know it, the next installment which is appalling
   named _How Does Olive Oil Lose Its Virginity?_ is out.  For even
   more GS check out ISBN #0-688-12681-2 by William and Morrow, 1994.

The AFU Frequently Asked Questions List has been maintained by 
Terry Chan since July 1991.  Its inception and spirit was due to 
the efforts of Peter van der Linden in February 1991.

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User Contributions:

Feb 3, 2022 @ 5:17 pm
My question is whether PARANORMAL ACTIVITIES ie hauntings , demonic possessions etc are real ?
Apr 2, 2023 @ 7:07 am
Whether you believe in God or not, this is a "must-read" message!!!

Throughout time, we can see how we have been slowly conditioned coming to this point where we are on the verge of a cashless society. Did you know that the Bible foretold of this event almost 2,000 years ago?

In Revelation 13:16-18, we will read,

"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles--Revelation 19:20) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Referring to the last generation, this could only be speaking of a cashless society. Why so? Revelation 13:17 states that we cannot buy or sell unless we receive the mark of the beast. If physical money was still in use, we could buy or sell with one another without receiving the mark. This would contradict scripture that states we need the mark to buy or sell!

These verses could not be referring to something purely spiritual as scripture references two physical locations (our right hand or forehead) stating the mark will be on one "OR" the other. If this mark was purely spiritual, it would indicate both places, or one--not one OR the other!

This is where it really starts to come together. It is shocking how accurate the Bible is concerning the implantable RFID microchip. Here are notes from someone named Carl Sanders who worked with a team of engineers to help develop this RFID chip:

"Carl Sanders sat in seventeen New World Order meetings with heads-of-state officials such as Henry Kissinger and Bob Gates of the C.I.A. to discuss plans on how to bring about this one-world system. The government commissioned Carl Sanders to design a microchip for identifying and controlling the peoples of the world—a microchip that could be inserted under the skin with a hypodermic needle (a quick, convenient method that would be gradually accepted by society).

Carl Sanders, with a team of engineers behind him, with U.S. grant monies supplied by tax dollars, took on this project and designed a microchip that is powered by a lithium battery, rechargeable through the temperature changes in our skin. Without the knowledge of the Bible (Brother Sanders was not a Christian at the time), these engineers spent one-and-a-half-million dollars doing research on the best and most convenient place to have the microchip inserted.

Guess what? These researchers found that the forehead and the back of the hand (the two places the Bible says the mark will go) are not just the most convenient places, but are also the only viable places for rapid, consistent temperature changes in the skin to recharge the lithium battery. The microchip is approximately seven millimeters in length, .75 millimeters in diameter, about the size of a grain of rice. It is capable of storing pages upon pages of information about you. All your general history, work history, criminal record, health history, and financial data can be stored on this chip.

Brother Sanders believes that this microchip, which he regretfully helped design, is the “mark” spoken about in Revelation 13:16–18. The original Greek word for “mark” is “charagma,” which means a “scratch or etching.” It is also interesting to note that the number 666 is actually a word in the original Greek. The word is “chi xi stigma,” with the last part, “stigma,” also meaning “to stick or prick.” Carl believes this is referring to a hypodermic needle when they poke into the skin to inject the microchip."

Mr. Sanders asked a doctor what would happen if the lithium contained within the RFID microchip leaked into the body. The doctor replied by saying a terrib (...)

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