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                                The QuickFAQ
     * Q: Where can I get the drug FAQs?
       A: FTP/Gopher/WWW to
     * Q: Can you mail me a FAQ...
       A: No. See part B.
     * Q: Is there strychnine in LSD (acid)?
       A: No. See part C question 1.
     * Q: Gimme a recipe for LSD/XTC/speed...
       A: No. See part C question 4.
     * Q: Can piss tests detect LSD/shrooms?
       A: No. See part C question 12.
     * Q: Will banana skins get me high?
       A: No. See part C question 16.
     * Q: What should I do before a piss test?
       A: Drink lots of water. See part C question 12.
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                   Special kudos to:
   Note: This is not an attempt at a comprehensive FAQ on all aspects of
   all drugs, that's what the individual drug FAQs are for. Instead, this
   is a guide on how to behave in rec.drugs, how to use network resources
   and an answer to some really frequently asked questions. Part A covers
   general stuff regarding rec.drugs and net, part B lists the FAQs, and
   part C gives slightly more detailed answers to the questions above and
A) The rec.drugs hierarchy

   rec.drugs is a forum where people interested in the use of
   mind-altering substances, not necessarily even illegal ones, get
   together to share information and swap stories. If you are against
   drug use and post about it, be prepared to have lots of references and
   solid info on hand, since otherwise you WILL be flamed. Also, don't
   even THINK about trying to buy drugs on rec.drugs... you won't get
   any, period.
   rec.drugs is subdivided into the following groups:
     * rec.drugs.announce
       Announcements about drugs and related issues. (Moderated)
     * rec.drugs.cannabis
       The drug cannabis (aka marijuana or pot).
     * rec.drugs.chemistry
       Chemistry, pharmacology and related issues.
     * rec.drugs.psychedelic
       LSD, Ecstasy, magic mushrooms and the like.
     * rec.drugs.misc
       Stimulants, sedatives, etc.
       Smart drugs (nootropics).
   The first half of rec.drugs.* was created on Wednesday June 19th 1995,
   with the rest following on Wednesday April 3rd 1996, by public vote.
   It is the successor of the venerable alt.drugs, which was created in
   1986 as the 2nd oldest group in the alt hierarchy. Please consult the
   "rec.drugs.* pointer", posted weekly in alt.drugs.*, for the rationale
   behind the change. The following groups of interest outside the
   rec.drugs.* hierarchy are considered valid and usable:
     * alt.drugs.caffeine
       Coffee, tea, and more exotic caffeine sources.
     * alt.drunken.bastards
       Abusers of the drug ethanol.
     * alt.hemp
       Various uses of the plant, focus on industrial use.
     * alt.smokers
       Nicotine addicts' discussion group.
       Beer discussion.
       Coffee, with and without caffeine.
       Technical discussion about pharmaceutical drugs.
       Technical discussion about legal psychoactives.
     * talk.politics.drugs
       The politics of drugs.
   All alt.drugs.* groups except a.d.caffeine are considered obsolete.
   Rumors abound about the Feds/the cops/the DEA monitoring rec.drugs,
   but evidently nobody has been busted/investigated solely because of
   posting. But if you're going to admit to something illegal, it's a
   good idea to post it via an anonymous server. Just mail your message
   to, and the rest is magic. For more
   details, mail
   Here are some acronyms in common use on rec.drugs.*:
          5-hydroxytryptamine aka serotonin (a chemical found in the
          brain; many drugs affect serotonin levels)
          N,N-dimethyltryptamine (an extremely powerful hallucinogen)
          Dextromethorphan (a hallucinogen found in some cough syrups)
          Friend of a Friend
          Lysergic acid diethylamide (a popular hallucinogen)
          War on Drugs
          War on Some Drugs (ie. alcohol, nicotine, caffeine excluded)
          Your Mileage May Vary (ie. individual reactions are different)
   And finally, the unofficial IRC counterpart of rec.drugs.* is the
   channel #drugs, which is reasonably active; also check out #pot and

   There are a whole bunch of FAQs for individual drugs and drug classes,
   which are posted highly irregularly. They can all be found at in the directory /drugs/faqs thru FTP/Gopher/WWW. If you
   can't connect, the problem is at your end, not hyperreal's. Also check
   out the Network Resources file at hyperreal, and the WWW version of
   the rec.drugs FAQ at
   For instructions on how to FTP, go over to news.announce.newusers and
   get the help files, or buy a book on using the Internet. If you can't
   use FTP, Gopher, WWW or other services that need a direct connection,
   fear not, you can use the FTP-by-mail services! Here's a list of
   server addresses, mail a message consisting of the word "help" to one:,, bitftp@pucc.bitnet
C) Really Frequently Asked Questions

   All directory and file paths refer to Extensive
   references for almost all the info below is available here, you can
   check them for individual entries by clicking on the number of the
    1. Is there strychnine (rat poison) in LSD?
   No, there is no strychnine in LSD. EVER. It is physically impossible
   to fit enough strychnine on a blotter tab to cause an effect; besides,
   since strychnine is expensive and the manufacturing process never uses
   it, there's absolutely no point in putting it there. (No, it does not
   bind the LSD to the paper or carry it across the blood-brain barrier
   or...) Large-scale lab analyses of street samples have never found ANY
   strychnine in LSD. The 'speedy' effects of acid, often attributed to
   the mythical strychnine, are in fact caused by a bad set and setting
   or possibly LSD breakdown products. See the LSD FAQ and
    2. Does LSD leave crystals in your brain/spinal fluid that cause
   No. LSD is water soluble and entirely cycled out of your system within
   a few days. Full-fledged "pathological" flashbacks can be caused by
   any traumatic or extraordinary experience, including an LSD trip, but
   are not directly caused by the drug. See the LSD FAQ.
    3. What happens if I take LSD while I'm on Prozac or other antidepressants?
   Certain antidepressants including SSRIs like Prozac will reduce the
   effect of psychedelics, but there are two notable exceptions. MDMA and
   a MAOI can induce a hypertensive crisis which may cause death! TCA or
   lithium and a hallucinogen will increase the effect of the drug, often
   to an unpleasant extent. If you have a story about taking a
   hallucinogen other than LSD on antidepressants, mail to participate in her study on this.
    4. I have a recipe for making LSD with moldy rye bread and hair spray...
   No. The synthesis of LSD is a very, very difficult process that
   requires dangerous chemicals and lots of experience in organic
   chemistry. Check out
   for information on the synthesis of GHB, LSD, MDMA, methamphetamine,
   methcathinone and N2O. If you don't understand the synthesis, go read
   organic chemistry, we can't put it "in English" for you.
   As for some of the more famous recipes:
     * LSD from apple cores or orange peels:
     * LSD from Foster's beer:
       No, the recipe is some twit's idea of a joke.
     * LSD from moldy rye:
       A laboratory (not kitchen) can extract LSA, a related substance.
       See /drugs/psychedelics/lsd/ergot.culture.
     * LSD from morning glory:
       Another extraction of LSA, see the Morning Glory FAQ.
     * Meth from inhalers:
       An extraction of l-methamphetamine, a much weaker substance than
       real meth.
    5. Can you overdose on acid/pot?
   No, overdosing on pot would require smoking or eating several KILOS of
   the stuff within 15 minutes. Overdosing on LSD is equally difficult.
   There is a case where a number of people snorted a massive overdose
   (equal to around 1250 hits) of pure LSD tartrate, believing it to be
   cocaine; some of them fell into comas and had other severe physical
   reactions, but lived through the experience with no permanent physical
   or mental damage.
    6. What is Ecstasy (E, X, XTC)?
   Ecstasy should be 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), but on the
   street it is often a close chemical relative like MDA or MDE. It may
   also on occasion be a mixture of unrelated chemicals like LSD and/or
   methamphetamine (speed). Contrary to popular belief E is not laced
   with heroin; heroin costs too much, is very different in its effects,
   and is not active orally. What people think of as effects caused by
   heroin are often just MDA or MDE.
    7. Does MDMA cause brain damage/Parkinson's disease/deplete spinal fluid?
   No, although investigations on possible brain damage continue; there
   is certainly no drastic brain damage though. The Parkinson's rumors
   come from a journalist confusing MDMA with MPTP, a product of
   screwed-up opiate manufacture which has nothing at all to do with
   MDMA. See the MDMA FAQ.
    8. Are shroom kits legal, and do they work?
   The spores in the kits contain no psilocybin, so they are legal,
   except in California. They work, but only if you're willing to put
   effort into growing. See the Psilocybe Mushroom FAQ and
    9. Will marijuana do X to my body?
   Marijuana does not cause brain/immune/reproductive system damage,
   concentrate in the brain/testicles, enlarge breasts in males or damage
   chromosomes. It can cause lung ailments such as cancer, and driving
   while stoned can cause accidents. MJ smoke is not 10 times worse than
   tobacco, they are roughly equal, it may even be less harmful. See
   Marijuana Myths or the Cannabis Hemp FAQ for more details.
    10. I just got a microdot of synthetic mescaline...
   No. An effective dose of mescaline would not fit in a microdot or on
   blotter, and mescaline in the black market is extremely rare anyway.
   Most of what is called mescaline is in fact LSD.
    11. My friend told me that pot is often laced with acid...
   No. Pot is one of the cheapest drugs around, and just about anything
   added to it would make it more expensive. If somebody tells you that
   their pot was laced, almost always it just means they got hold of some
   really good pot and/or just got much more stoned than usual. If the
   pot was laced with acid, the acid would be destroyed by the heat when
   you smoked it. Occasionally pot laced with PCP, opium, or heroin is
   available, if so you will be told since it costs much more.
    12. Help, I have a piss test next week and...
   Summary: Stop smoking and drink water. 8 glasses a day for two weeks
   should put you in the clear, but even a week is often enough. Herbs
   like Goldenseal do NOT help. Adulterants like Drano, bleach, or
   vinegar do NOT help and are likely to be noticed. Most urine tests
   cannot detect LSD, psilocybin or low doses of MDMA. See the Drug
   Testing FWI file at hyperreal.
    13. What is "skunk"?
   Skunk is a type of hemp (cannabis). It originally meant Cannabis
   indica in general, but over the last 20 years has come to refer to a
   name of particular sativa/indica cross. While Dutch skunk is famous,
   the name did not originate there (although the cross now known as
   skunk may have).
    14. What are the monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs)?
   Plants that contain harmaline or hypericins (passionflower, Syrian
   rue, St John's Wort, and Banisteriopsis caapi) and some
   anti-depressant drugs (incl. Nardil, Parnate, ElDepryl and Selegiline;
   ask your doctor if you're not sure). THAT'S IT! Prozac, MDMA, beer,
   wine, cheese, chocolate etc are things you should AVOID when on a
   MAOI, but they are not MAOIs themselves. Combining MAOIs and other
   drugs can be very dangerous, do research beforehand.
    15. What is Rohypnol? (Roofies, Roche #2, "-pam" drugs)
   Rohypnol is a brand name for flunitrazepam (marketed by Roche). It is
   a benzodiazepine and it's in the same family as diazepam (Valium), and
   so are most drugs whose names end in "-pam". It has sedative/hypnotic
   effects which are somewhat similar to alcohol intoxication. Using it
   with alcohol is NOT recommended due to a synergistic effect, the
   combination of benzodiazepines with alcohol may well KILL you!
    16. Can I smoke or eat X to get high?
   All of the following either don't work or very little is known about
   them. Funny as it may seem, black market drugs are probably safer.
   Substances marked with (*) are very dangerous and can KILL you.
     * Aspirin:
       No, and aspirin is lethal in high doses. (*)
     * Banana skins: No, the Anarchist Cookbook's "bananadine" is a myth,
       along with almost all the drug recipes in the book.
     * Catnip:
       No, unless you're a cat.
     * Chia pets:
     * Cloud 9:
       No, it contains only a bit of ephedrine (a mild stimulant). A cup
       of coffee is much stronger.
     * Coke & aspirin:
       No, and aspirin is lethal in high doses. (*)
     * Cough syrup:
       Yes, if it has dextromethorphan (DXM). Some DXM cough syrups will
       make you sick though, see the Dextromethorphan FAQ.
     * Dramamine:
       Yes, but it's really nasty stuff. Hallucinations that seem like
       reality and no euphoria. See /drugs/psychedelics/misc/dramamine.
     * Herbal E:
       No, see Cloud 9.
     * Jimson weed:
       Yes, but it's a deleriant like Dramamine. Many people every year
       are killed by overdose. See /drugs/natural/ (*)
     * Laughing gas:
       Yes, if it's medical or food grade and you're careful (people have
       died from suffocation). See the Nitrous Oxide FAQ.
     * Moldy rye:
       No, and you'll get quite sick if you try. (*)
     * Morning glory:
       Yes, but it causes nausea. See the Morning Glory FAQ.
     * Nutmeg:
       Yes, but most people find it unpleasant, primarily due to horrible
       taste, nausea/vomiting, and 3-day hangover. See the Nutmeg FAQ and
       /drugs/natural/ (*)
     * Peanut shells:
     * Poppy seeds:
       No, the seeds contain no opium.
     * Toads:
       Yes, some rare toads, namely Bufo alvarus, secrete a smokeable
       venom containing the powerful hallucinogen 5-MeO-DMT. See
     * Yubah Gold:
   In addition to the favorites above, a number of obscure legal herbs
   and plants can be used as drugs; most of the common ones contain only
   ephedrine or caffeine though. See the Natural Highs FAQ and
   /drugs/natural for more.
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