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Version: 2.0 Posting-Frequency: monthly Maintainer: Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout@math.ucla.edu> Last-modified: September, 1996 See reader questions & answers on this topic! - Help others by sharing your knowledge
1.0 Introduction
1.1 Very general info about this document
1.2 About this document, and others like it.
2.0 QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS NEWSGROUP
2.1 What is this group all about?
2.2 What kind of folks are here?
2.3 I'm just a beginner. Should I shut up and just listen?
2.4 Are there guidelines for posting?
2.5 I want to announce an event!
2.6 Who deletes messages after I've read them?
2.7 Subscribe me to your organisation, and send me all your information!
2.8 Does anyone archive this group?
2.9 So much stuff! Is there a 'best of' this group?
2.10 What are all these off-topic discussions doing here?
2.11 Why are there all these posts about types of dance I'm not interested in? Why don't we have separate newsgroups?
2.12 I have this neat scanned cartoon. Want me to post it?
3.0 DANCE ON THE REST OF THE NET
3.1 What other dance-related newsgroups exist?
3.2 Is there dancing on the World Wide Web?
3.3 What about mailing lists?
3.4 Where do I find specific danceforms?
3.5 Are there forums on Compuserve and AOL?
3.6 Does anyone have dance-related clip art for me?
3.7 Does anyone have line dance steps for me?
3.8 What dance organisations and celebrities are on line?
4.0 GENERAL DANCE QUESTIONS
4.1 I'll soon be in XYZ. How do I find where to go dancing?
4.2 Where do I find dance music?
4.3 Where can I buy dance supplies?
4.4 How can I learn more about dance? Books? Videos?
4.5 I want to put a dance floor in my house! Any tips?
4.6 Dance notation and software
4.7 How can I keep up with what's happening?
4.8 When and where does Championship Ballroom Dancing air?
4.9 Is dancing good for my health?
4.10 What can be done about perspiration?
5.0 SPECIFIC DANCE QUESTIONS
5.1 So many different dances! How many exactly are there?
5.2 What is the relation between dance X and dance Y?
5.3 What is a State Dance?
5.4 What is the right speed for dance X?
5.5 How do you count bpms?
5.6 What's this about Cha-Cha breaking on '2'?
5.7 Aren't Rumba's supposed to be slow?
5.8 How do you count Hustle?
5.9 What is swing rhythm? Shuffle rhythm? Jive rhythm?
5.10 I thought this song was an X-rhythm. Someone just called it a Y-rhythm!
5.11 What is New Vogue?
5.12 What is Round Dancing?
5.13 Who does "Love Potion #9"?
5.14 How does the Macarena go?
5.15 Dance history
5.16 I need dance music for a wedding. Any suggestions?
5.17 Miscellaneous questions
6.0 APPENDIX
6.1 Mailing lists
6.2 ftp
6.3 FTP by email
6.4 The World Wide Web
6.5 URLs (Uniform Resource Locators)
6.6 setext
7.0 BACK MATTER
7.1 Acknowledgements for this FAQ list
7.2 Index
Introduction (1.0)
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Very general info about this document (1.1)
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This file contains and points to the collected wisdom of the newsgroup
rec.arts.dance . If you have any other questions or comments, please
contact the maintainer of this FAQ: Victor Eijkhout
eijkhout@math.ucla.edu and they will be incorporated in the next
version.
And now for the small print: This FAQ is provided as is without any
express or implied warranties. While every effort has been taken to
ensure the accuracy of the information contained in this article, the
author assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions, or for
damages resulting from the use or misuse of the information contained
herein.
About this document, and others like it. (1.2)
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**Where to get this document**
This document is posted approximately monthly to rec.arts.dance and a
few other groups. You can also download it by ftp from
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/rec-arts-dance/
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/rec-arts-dance/
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/rec-arts-dance/
or on the web from the maintainer on his dance page
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~eijkhout/dance.html
as
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~eijkhout/rad/faq.html
.
These things with "http" or "ftp" are called URLs. They are explained
in section (6.5) .
Additionally, it can be found, like all other FAQ lists, on the
addresses at the end of this section.
**Related FAQ lists**
For questions about ballet, see the FAQ for alt.arts.ballet , which is
posted there regularly, can be found on the Dancers' Archive, or
obtained by writing to its maintainer, Tom Parsons twp@panix.com . It
can also be found on
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~eijkhout/aab/faq.html
and
http://www.ens-lyon.fr/~esouche/danse/dance.html
.
Tom Parsons also maintains the Dance Wear FAQ list
ftp://math.ucla.edu/pub/eijkhout/dance/ballet/wear.txt
.
There is an FAQ list about line dancing. It is maintained by Julian L.
Gothard 100334.73@compuserve.com , and can be found in ascii & html
form in the following places:
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~eijkhout/dance.html
and
ftp://math.ucla.edu/pub/eijkhout/dance/
and somewhere on the Dancers' Archive
Related to dancing are the FAQ lists about Stretching and Flexibility,
which is on the web as
http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/papers/rma/stretching_toc.html
and for ftp in the following directory
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/rec.arts.dance/
and the FAQ list on Tinnitus
http://www.cccd.edu/faq/tinnitus.html
.
**About FAQs in general**
For general information about FAQ lists, see Infinite Ink's FAQ page
http://www.jazzie.com/ii/internet/faqs.html
.
You can find most existing FAQ lists, for as far as they are posted to
newsgroup, on
http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/
and
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/
. The first address contains FAQ lists that have been converted
automatically to html, the second address has the original texts for
ftp.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS NEWSGROUP (2.0)
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Questions specifically about rec.arts.dance .
What is this group all about? (2.1)
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**Discussion topics**
This is an unmoderated discussion forum on practically all dance
forms and issues. Most of the discussion focuses on social dance (in
particular ballroom, swing, and country & western), but folk, tap,
clogging, belly dancing, polka, disco, hustle, freestyle, slam, etc.
are also legitimate topics. Some discussion of jazz, ballet, and folk
dancing exists, but most of that traffic is in the groups
rec.folk-dancing and alt.arts.ballet . Some of the traffic in this
group comes from gateways with the ballroom and country-western dance
mailing lists. These are discussed in section (3.3) .
This group includes discussions about technique, styling, dance
troupes, specific dancers, camps and workshops, competitions, and
equipment, as well as conditioning for dance, injuries (their treatment
and rehabilitation), stretching, etc. (There are FAQ lists regarding
these last few points; see section (1.2) . Moreover, this group
welcomes queries concerning what dance clubs or organizations are in
your area (please use restricted distribution) and how to get started
dancing.
If there is no discussion of your favourite dance going on at present,
that does not mean you should not feel free to start a discussion
yourself.
**Goals**
This is a great forum to help dancers hook up with one another,
whether for workshops, competitions, instruction, or simply finding a
place to dance in a city you will be visiting.
This group is not for commercial use. Advertising for profit (as
opposed to occasional recommendations by actual dancers) is not
welcome. On the other hand, announcements of competitions, exhibitions,
and special events are appropriate, even if they are for profit. If you
are a for-profit dance person and you really really really want the net
to know about your existence, please post a short and to the point note
with an email address or web site where people can obtain further
information. Frequent reposts of such a notice are NOT appreciated.
The exact charter of this group can be read on
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/rec-arts-dance/
.
What kind of folks are here? (2.2)
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All sorts. From rank beginners to veterans and from amateurs to pros.
I'm just a beginner. Should I shut up and just listen? (2.3)
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No. Tell stories about your experiences, or post questions and listen
to the -- no doubt conflicting -- answers you'll get.
Are there guidelines for posting? (2.4)
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Not really. If you think you have something interesting to say, just
post it. That said, here are some common sense do and don'ts. The
following is excerpted from an article in Country Calendar.
1.) If you are new to a mail list or newsgroup and see a large number
of messages that you just have to answer, it may be better to only
answer a couple of them at first. As in any form of communication, when
you are "the new kid on the block," it is usually better to ease into a
group discussion rather than jump in and monopolize the floor. Keep in
mind that everything sent to the cw-dance mail list is gatewayed to
rec.arts.dance so there are literally thousands of people reading these
messages each day. Make sure that what you have to say would be of
interest to a large percentage of the readers.
2.) If you are posting a new message, make sure that the subject line
is short but specific. For example, "C/W Dance" is too vague, but "C/W
Two Step Question" lets the reader know what the content of the message
will be.
3.) When responding to a message, only quote that part of the message
that is relevant to your response. Delete any unnecessary text but make
sure that it is clear to whose message you are responding and what the
context is. In other words, quote at least part of the previous message
so that your response can be understood by everyone. Also, if you are
going off on a tangent from the original subject line, change the
subject line so that it directly relates to your response.
4.) Since this is a written form of communication, spelling and
grammar do make a difference in how your message is received and
perceived. Re-read your message at least once, preferably twice, before
hitting the send button. Check for spelling errors and typos and make
sure that your message makes sense. Also, foul language and
"four-letter words" are a big no-no online.
5.) DO NOT USE ALL CAPS. This is the equivalent of shouting and is
hard on the eyes. It's also considered very rude.
6.) Here are some formatting tips: if you are using a word processor
with automatic wrap, be aware that your post may look hideous on the
screen of someone who has different software. Keep the length of your
lines to 72 characters or less, which means you may have to hit the
return key yourself. Also, leave a blank line every once in a while;
this makes a long message much easier to read.
7.) Remember that people use many different types of computers. Do not
use characters formed by the ALT key (PC) or Option key (Mac); stick
with regular letters and numbers only. Also, do not post pictures or
sound files and do not use MIME encoding for posts.
8.) If someone posts something that really makes you mad, it is a good
idea to wait a day or two before responding. Do not make the mistake of
responding to something in anger only to regret posting it the next
day.
9.) If someone sends you a message via private e-mail, do not quote
their message to the entire newsgroup or mail list unless you have
their permission.
10.) The newsgroups and mail lists are not for commercial use. If you
have something to market, be discreet about it. Post once, advertising
your existence and include an e-mail address or Web site where people
can obtain further information.
11.)Here are some examples of when it is NOT appropriate to respond to
a message:
Do not quote an entire message and at the bottom put something like,
"I agree" or "Me, too." If you want to let someone know that you agree
with their point, send them a private e-mail rather than posting to the
entire group. In other words, if you do not have something significant
to contribute to the discussion, it is better to keep quiet.
If someone asks for information that is common knowledge (e.g., who
sang this song?), check if it has already been answered before you send
off your reply. Even then, consider sending your response by private
e-mail instead of posting to the whole group or list.
If you see a completely off-topic message (money making opportunity,
phone sex, etc.) do not respond. The person posting is mostly likely
not checking for answers, and their address is likely forged. Just
ignore messages like that.
These "netiquette rules" are far from complete, but they may be of
some help as you navigate your way on the Information Super-Dance
Floor. I must admit that I have broken some of these rules myself, but
mistakes are okay, especially if we learn from them. [Ann Detsch
detsch@uclink4.berkeley.edu ]
I want to announce an event! (2.5)
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By all means, go ahead. But give your message a descriptive subject
line so that people not in your area won't waste their time. Try to
mention the location and the date of the event.
A good subject line would have the following form:
EVENT: title; place; date
e.g.
EVENT: Wild Week (Dance Camp); Port Townsend, WA, USA; 12/26/95-1/1/96
Who deletes messages after I've read them? (2.6)
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Newsgroups and the messages in them are kept on your local machine. No
one deletes them from the outside (ok, there is such a thing as a
cancel, but that is rare). Instead, your local system 'expires'
messages after they have been around for a while, usually a couple of
days. So don't propose on the newsgroup that messages should be kept
longer: that is purely a local matter on your machine. (This paragraph
does not apply to people that receive newsgroups via mailing lists:
most mail systems keep messages indefinitely.)
Subscribe me to your organisation, and send me all your information! (2.7)
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Sorry, this newsgroup is not an organisation, no one is in charge, and
there is no official repository of information. See section (2.8) about
the Dancers' Archive, however.
Does anyone archive this group? (2.8)
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The answer to this question takes several forms. There is an archive
that contains many past discussion threads, often requested
information, and lots of other goodies. Here is a description, in the
words of Eileen Bauer ecb@world.std.com , the archive maintainer.
**Dancers' Archive**
The Dancers' Archive is an international listing of dance studios,
places to dance, teachers, books, videos, dance clubs/societies,
newsletters, magazines and whatever papers/FAQs on dance that can be
made available electronically.
The Dancers' Archive lists info about all types of dance, but here are
the most requested goodies:
Names and addresses of dance magazines:
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/magazines/
.
Lists and reviews of dance videos:
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/videos/
.
Lists of dance music:
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/music/
.
Lists of country line dance steps:
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/CW-dance/dancesteps/
.
The URL for the Dancers' Archive is, as you may have gathered:
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/
.
This means: make an ftp connection to ftp.std.com (log in as
anonymous, use your login name as password), and go to the
customers/nonprofits/dance subdirectory. You will find a number of
subdirectories with dance-related info.
In the words of Eileen Bauer (ecb@world.std.com), the archive
maintainer:
I expect that eventually the Archive will list at least 50 countries'
dance information to some degree. See the readme.txt file for
restrictions on the amount of data I can enter and store, and the
intended audience.
The name "Dancers' Archive" was chosen to indicate that the intended
users of this service are those who are actively dancing, rather than
historians interested in dance. However, the book and video sections of
the service might very well be useful to amateur dance historians.
The Dancers' Archive is a service provided by me in my spare time, and
which depends on the contributions of information from fellow dancers.
Especially those on the net.
To access Dancers' Archive, do an anonymous FTP to ftp.std.com.
Gopher servers exist that (among other things) access the Archive:
gopher gopher.std.com
and wander down the nonprofit menus until you get to Dancers' Archive
or
gopher psulias.psu.edu
Your Gopher Client may connect to the server on port 70
@psulias.psu.edu, and wander down the menus:
The Electronic Bookshelf (this way to our Gopher)/ to Subject Shelf/
to Fine Arts Shelf/ to The Dancers' Archive (aFTP gateway)/
(You may also note other relevant materials on the Fine Arts Shelf,
such as Dance Catalog (New York Public Library) and Music.)
Other Gopher Servers are invited to also provide similar gateways to
reduce traffic @psulias.psu.edu.
The server at: ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com accepts "batch" ftp requests and
returns the requested files via internet mail. It can be used by
_anyone_ no matter where they are. See section (6.3) .
To get a list of commands and some information about this service:
specify 'help' w/o the quotes as the ftp command. This information is
returned in an hour or two.
To use this service for the Archive, specify whatever you want for the
subject (I usually say request 1, request 2, etc so I can match the
replies to my requests) Sample text is as follows:
connect ftp.std.com
cd /ftp/nonprofits/dance/whatever
get filename.txt dir
quit
* end of text *
would go the anonymous ftp to the Archive site, (don't worry about id
or password) change your directory to the Archive directory whatever
(which actually doesn't exist), get a file named filename.txt, do a
directory list, and then quit. Only one directory change allowed per
email.
It may take one week or more to get the results back via email. For
this reason, always do a 'dir' no matter what else you are doing,
because you may be interested in data in that directory later on. If
you are not sure of the name of the file you want (and sometimes I
misspell names that I mention) make several requests with the most
likeliest names/spellings.
For FTP, login as anonymous with the Password being your id/location
(ex: ecb@world.std.com) Go to directory /ftp/nonprofits/dance. Here you
will find the file readme.txt, and perhaps a couple of other general
files and several directories of regions and countries (europa, asia,
americas (North, Central, and South), etc) and topics (/swing, /tango,
/topics etc)
Some of the current directories are: /books, /videos, and
/americas/usa. Other countries are also represented either by name (in
separate directories under /dance) or by name within region (ex:
/asia/australia). Books and videos need no explanation; /usa itself
contains directories for each state in the U.S., Washington D.C.,
Puerto Rico, and other parts of the U.S. The information included under
these directories are studios, discos, nightclubs, dance supply stores,
anything relating to dance that is limited by geographic area. Each
state directory will eventually contain a /newsltrs directory, a
comments.txt file, and will be broken down also into files by
geographic area. Other standard file names are: allofit.txt
restofit.txt mostofit.txt someofit.txt organizations.txt
Other countries may be broken down by territory/province/etc as
required.
If you want to contribute information to this service, please send me
Postal or electronic mail. I can be reached at " ecb@world.std.com "
through INTERNET. Email me to get my Postal mail address. Questions and
suggestions are always welcome, but I may not be able to reply quickly.
See the readme.txt file for the bulk of the disclaimer, but I reserve
the right to edit and/or refuse any information for this service if I
think it is not appropriate or if I feel like it. This service attempts
to be an unbiased source and advocate for all dancers; however, it is
possible to get excluded from this service (that is, getting listed
here) for actions considered unethical, illegal, and otherwise against
the best interest of dancers.
**Deja-News and Alta Vista**
Old newsgroup posting for (practically) all newsgroups are kept at the
following location:
http://dejanews.com/
. A similar site is Alta Vista
http://www.altavista.digital.com/
which in addition can do a keyword search on web pages.
So much stuff! Is there a 'best of' this group? (2.9)
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As a matter of fact, yes.
First of all, there is a moderated version of the ballroom mailing
list; see section (3.3) . Only the truly informative posts make it to
that version.
Secondly, Mark Balzer has condensed a number of the more popular
topics on rec.arts.dance into a number of files.
General topics:
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/ballroom/band-DJ-instructions.txt
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/ballroom/cheap-dance-shoe-FAQ.txt
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/topics/
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/topics/
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/topics/
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/ballroom/dance-holds.txt
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/ballroom/welcoming-danceclub-members.txt
Ballroom dancing
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/ballroom/AM-syllabus.txt
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/ballroom/waltz-rise-n-fall.txt
Swing:
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/swing/types-of-swing.txt
Latin:
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/latin-dance/salsa-mambo.txt
,
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/latin-dance/chacha-rhythm.txt
,
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/latin-dance/latin-dance-styles.txt
.
Tango:
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/tango/head-snaps.txt
Books:
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/books/
,
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/books/
.
What are all these off-topic discussions doing here? (2.10)
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In general, rec.arts.dance is a rather polite, literate, and
informative group. The regular posters like to think that this gives
them the right every once in a while to drift into only marginally
dance-related topics. If you think the information level is momentarily
at a low, don't complain, but show us by example what kind of posts you
would like to read.
There is another source of off-topic material on this and other
newsgroups: some people find it necessary to offer their services all
over the net, whether their post is relevant to the newsgroup or not.
Such posts constitute net abuse, but are unfortunately hard to stop.
You will notice that most of them fall in the following three
categories: telephone sex and dating services, Make Money Fast schemes,
and political diatribes. Don't complain on the list, because the author
most likely will not check for responses. As a matter of fact, the
apparent author is probably a forgery, so there may very well be no
place at all to direct your complaint. That's the way it is. I don't
like it either.
Why are there all these posts about types of dance I'm not interested in? Why don't we have separate newsgroups? (2.11)
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Rec.arts.dance gets posts from many types of social and competition
dancers, though mostly ballroom, country-western, and swing at this
time. Some of the topics are specific to one dance type, and some are
more general.
It's sometimes suggested that r.a.d should be split into more specific
subgroups, such as rec.arts.dance.ballroom. Creating a new newsgroup is
not a simple matter; for this to happen, someone will have to take on
personal responsibility to create and refine an acceptable proposal and
follow it through the formal Request For Discussion and Call For Votes
process as documented in news.announce.newusers. From beginning to end
this will take at least 3-4 months, and possibly much longer. Just
posting complaints accomplishes nothing other than increasing the noise
level.
It is not clear that such a proposal would be voted in, for several
reasons. A rule of thumb is that group volume should be on the order of
100 posts/day before a split is likely to pass, and r.a.d does not have
this volume. Many readers have strong objections to a split and would
campaign and vote against it. There would be lengthy arguments over
just what the split should be. Finally, many topics are likely to be
crossposted between new subgroups anyway, so a split might not have the
desired effect.
Another way to cut down on posts you aren't interested in seeing is
provided by most news readers, which can "kill" articles with a
specified subject or author. This can be done immediately and be
tailored to your preferences..
A final possibility is to stop reading rec.arts.dance and subscribe to
one or more of the topic-specific mailing lists (3.3) , such as
cw-dance, ballroom-l, or tango-l. Most appropriate posts are gatewayed
from the group to the mailing lists, but you will probably miss out on
some articles you would be interested in. (JL)
If you still think, after reading the above, that a split is a good
idea, and you are the one willing to write the proposal and get the
wheels in motion, you should realise the following. Many people on
rec.arts.dance are against a split. For your proposal to be accepted
you need 100 more yes than no votes, and 2/3 of the vote should be in
favour. In other words, you need at least 100 people wiling to vote for
your plan, and for everyone voting against a split you will need two
more people for it.
I have this neat scanned cartoon. Want me to post it? (2.12)
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Please don't. People may not have the software for decoding it, and
graphics is always a lot bigger than text, so the poor souls that read
news over modem connections likely have to pay for your generosity.
The thing to do is to post pictures (and movies) to, for instance,
alt.binaries.pictures.misc, and announce on the text group that you
have done so. Even better would be to put your picture file up for ftp
somewhere, since news posting expire in a few days.
DANCE ON THE REST OF THE NET (3.0)
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There is dance outside rec.arts.dance. Here are some directions to
what's out there.
This section is not really about dancing, rather about dance resources
on the net. There will be frequent mention of mailing lists, ftp,
listservers, URLs, and other network concepts. These are explained in
the Appendix (6.0) .
What other dance-related newsgroups exist? (3.1)
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Newsgroups are in several hierarchies. The big eight are the groups
that start with comp, news, misc, rec, talk, sci, soc, humanities.
These can be assumed to be on any system that receives news, and for
such a group to be created involves a voting process that gives it some
legitimacy. Groups starting with alt, on the other hand, can be created
(or deleted) on a whim. Hence your system may not carry all of them.
(The story is actually a bit more complicated. Read various files on
news.newusers.questions , and alt.config .) Even groups in the rec
hierarchy need not be on all systems, since some sysadmins frown upon
such frivolous topics.
Henry Neeman's hotlist has a section with dance-related newsgroups:
http://zeus.ncsa.uiuc.edu:8080/~hneeman/dance_hotlist.html#newsgroups
.
**rec.folk-dancing**
Any discussion of folk dancing. Areas of dance would include, but not
be limited to: international, contra, square, western square, morris,
cajun, and barn dancing, etc.
**rec.music.country.western**
More of a music forum than a dancing forum. However, people do post
line dances there.
**rec.music.ragtime**
Another music forum, but the charter allows for dances that go with
ragtime music, such as vintage dances.
**alt.arts.ballet**
An offshoot of rec.arts.dance. The ballet and jazz folks wanted to
weed out the ballroom discussion and went on to form alt.arts.ballet.
Some people don't have access to the alt hierarchy so there still is
residual ballet discussion in rec.arts.dance.
**alt.music.dance**
This is not about dancing but about what's called Dance Music,
nowadays. Techno pop and all that. A lot of it actually makes for
solid, if rather peppy, hustle music.
**alt.music.makers.dj**
Should be clear what it is about. Not exactly about dancing, but I'm
listing it, since it may be of interest to some dancers.
**alt.music.polka**
Not widely spread. The discussion is mostly about polka music (in
particular recordings) and musicians, but polka dancing is discussed
occasionally.
Is there dancing on the World Wide Web? (3.2)
---------------------------------------------
There are many dance-related web pages. You need a Hypertext browser
such as Mosaic for this. Most of these pages connect to each other, and
to more dance information. See the APPENDIX to this FAQ document as
well.
Here are a few resources through which you should be able to find
most of the other information.
**Dancers' Archive**
Your main on-line resource for dance info is the Dancers' Archive,
maintained by Eileen Bauer ecb@world.std.com . The archive is available
through the web or by ftp:
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/
. See point (2.8) below for further explanation.
**Dance page at the World-Wide-Web Virtual Library**
This page is maintained by Adam S. Moskowitz adamm@world.std.com . He
plans to list organizations that are somehow related to dance of any
kind, as well as other dance-related resources. The organizations will
be listed by name, dance type, and location. Information is to be
submitted to dancemaster@menlo.com .
This page will accept information about *any* type of dance:
performance or participatory, historical, scholarly, whatever. If you
send it, it gets put on the page.
Note that all the maintainer does is taking the information that
people send him and putting it on the page. If you want something about
your group to appear on the page, write it up and send it in. If you
want something about a group with which you're not affiliated to
appear, contact someone IN THAT GROUP and ask them to write something
and HAVE THEM send it to him.
http://www.menlo.com/menlo/dance/
**Henry Neeman's hotlist**
A large collection of links to pages concerned with all sorts of
(mostly social) dance:
http://zeus.ncsa.uiuc.edu:8080/~hneeman/dance_hotlist.html
.
What about mailing lists? (3.3)
-------------------------------
**Ballroom**
There are TWO ballroom mailing lists for discussion of any aspect of
ballroom, swing, and related dancing (e.g., places to dance,
announcement of special events, exchange of information about clubs,
ballroom dance music, discussion of dances, steps, technique, dance
etiquette); one is moderated (BALLRM-M) and the other unmoderated
(BALLROOM). BALLRM-M receives a proper subset of articles sent to
BALLROOM. Each is also available as a digest (daily for BALLROOM and
weekly for BALLRM-M). To subscribe, send e-mail to
listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with the following command(s) in the BODY of
the message (replace LISTNAME with BALLROOM or BALLRM-M):
subscribe LISTNAME Yourfirstname Yourlastname
set LISTNAME digest
(Use the second command only if you want a digest format.)
Note that BALLROOM is gatewayed to the Usenet Newsgroup
rec.arts.dance. Anything mailed to the list is posted to
rec.arts.dance, and anything *ballroom-related* in rec.arts.dance is
mailed to the list.
This list is sponsored by the MIT Ballroom Dance Club, at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Room W20-401, Cambridge,
Massachusetts 02139, USA.
Questions: ballroom-request@mitvma.mit.edu (Shahrukh Merchant).
**Country Western Dance (excluding line dancing)**
This is a public unmoderated electronic mailing list for discussion of
ANY aspect of the various Country Western dances (but see below for
line dances!). That would include, but is not limited to, any of the
following: Two-Step, Waltz, Polka,East Coast Swing, West Coast Swing,
Cha-Cha. Rhythm Two-Step, Triple Two-Step, Pony (also called Pony
Swing), Schottische, Southern-style (`Sweetheart') Schottische, and
line dances. If you're not sure this list covers your dance type,
please feel free to email the list. ECS or WCS discussions that are not
strictly CW-related should probably be on
>rec.arts.dance/ballroom@mitvma.mit.edu
Possible topics include, but are not limited to, teachers,
performances, music, videos, books, history, the future of the various
dance forms, major people, clothes/shoes, technique, etc.
Anyone can join the list by sending e-mail to majordomo@world.std.com
with a "subscribe cw-dance" command (without the quotes) in the body of
the message.
There is currently no FAQ (list of Frequently Asked Questions) for
this list, but I'd really like to see (at least) one happen. If you
have a possible contribution, please share it with the list! If you're
interested in organizing creation of a FAQ, please contact Eileen Bauer
at cw-dance-request@world.std.com .
This list will be archived at
ftp://ftp.std.com/ftp/nonprofits/dance/
(note caps) as well as the books, videos, and music directories
directly under the dance directory where appropriate.
This mailing list has a one-way receiving gateway from
rec.music.country.western . That is, any post to that newsgroup with a
c&w dance related term in the subject or keywords line will be sent to
the cw-dance mailing list. Additionally, the mailing list is connected
to the newsgroup rec.arts.dance in both directions: anything posted to
the list is sent to the newsgroup, and replies made on the newsgroup
are sent back to the list. This last action is guaranteed by the
keywords line generated by the list->newsgroup gateway, so if your news
software does not copy the keywords line in a follow-up post, that post
will not be gated back to the list.
People whose posts to rec.music.country.western are sent to the
mailing list, are notified of this, once.
**Country Western Line Dancing**
To subscribe to the line-dance mailing list, email
majordomo@world.std.com with the following line in the body: subscribe
line-dance
This is a public electronic mailing list for distribution and
discussion of line dances. This includes at least the following dance
types/styles: o Line dance line-dances (e.g., Memphis Push Tush aka
tush push) o Circle dances (e.g. Cherokee Kick) o Contra line dances
(e.g., contra waltz) o Couple stationary non-2-step-type dances (eg.,
Stationary or Denver Cha Cha) o Couples (and singles) progressive
non-2-step-type dances (e.g., long branch hussle, ten step polka,
Tennessee Walk, Sway, Sweetheart Schottische)
The list is moderated so as to standardize the format of the line
dances that get posted. All line dances that get posted are archived as
separate files at one ftp site:
ftp://ftp.std.com/nonprofits/dance/CW-dance/dancesteps
. Because the list is moderated, your posts to the list may take
anywhere from several hours to several days to get mirrored back to
you, so please be patient.
**Lindy Hop**
There is a Swedish-based mailing list and archive for information
about Lindy Hop, with a focus on Lindy in Europe. Maintainer is Oliver
Trepte,
Subscribe: send an email with the body text "subscribe lindy" to
majordomo@fysik4.kth.se . Emails to lindy@fysik4.kth.se are forwarded
to the list members.
Further info: send an email with the body text "info lindy" to
majordomo@fysik4.kth.se .
**Tango**
The unmoderated mailing list "TANGO-L" has been created for
discussion about any and all aspects of the dance of Tango Argentino
(Argentine Tango). It is specifically intended to cover the Argentine
form of this dance, rather than the International Standard or American
Social "ballroom" forms, but articles about the latter may be
appropriate insofar as they are being contrasted to or otherwise refer
to the Argentine form.
The mailing list is set up as a reflector, so that any article mailed
to the list at tango-L@mitvma.mit.edu will be redistributed
automatically to all subscribers of the list. This list is available
in a (daily) digest form.
Anyone can subscribe by sending a message to listserv@mitvma.mit.edu ,
with the following command in the BODY of the message (the "Subject:"
line is ignored):
subscribe tango-L Your Full Name
set tango-L digest
(Use the second command only if you want a digest format, and remember
to replace "Your Full Name" with your real full name--spaces,
punctuation, etc. are fine.)
This mailing list is being sponsored by the MIT Ballroom Dance Club,
at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Room W20-401, Cambridge,
Massachusetts, USA.
Questions: tango-L-request@mitvma.mit.edu (Shahrukh Merchant).
**Folk and traditional**
There is a mailing list for ``all aspects of traditional and folk
dancing''. Send a message "subscribe dance-l Your Full Name" to
listserv@hearn.bitnet to subscribe.
Here are some more. They are taken from the mail/mailing-lists FAQ (14
parts!) and may duplicate the above information.
**Folk-dancing**
Contact: tjw+@pitt.edu (Terry J. Wood) tjw@pittvms.bitnet
Purpose: Any discussion of FOLK dancing. Areas of dance would include,
but not be limited to: international, contra, square, western square,
morris, cajun, and barn dancing, etc.
Please feel free to discuss such things as touring groups, artists,
camps, workshops, styling, equipment, recordings, and so on. This
mailing list also welcomes queries about where to find dance groups and
how to get started dancing.
Please note that the Folk Dancing Mailing List (FDML) operates in
conjunction with the USENET newsgroup rec.folk-dancing . Material in
Rec.folk-dancing appears in the FDML. This mailing list is primarily
for people who can not (or do not wish to) receive USENET.
When subscribing to the FDML, please include several computer mail
addresses AND a postal mail address (or phone number) as a last resort.
**Morris**
Morris Dancing Discussion List MORRIS@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU
The Morris Dancing Discussion List (MDDL) is an unmoderated
listserv-based discussion group devoted to discussions, debates, and
rants on all things Morris, including: Cotswold, Border, Garland,
Northwest, etc.; Sword Dancing, both Long Sword and Short Sword
(Rapper); Mumming, Mumming plays and other ritual drama; Molly Dancing,
Abbotts Bromley, Plough Dancing; winter festivals such as Twelfth
Night; May Day celebrations, including May Poles and other rural
festivities; and anything else we can think of that might be even the
slightest bit Morris related. Beer comes up fairly often, for some
reason, as does singing, tune trading, discussions of musical
instruments, (you get the idea).
The listowners are: Jim Morgan (Bloomington Quarry Morris)
morganj@iupui.edu and Tom Keays (Bassett Street Hounds)
htkeays@mailbox.syr.edu .
**Renaissance dance**
Contact: listserv@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Purpose: RENDANCE is for discussion of Renaissance dance. The intended
focus is dance reconstruction and related research, but discussion on
any relevant topic is welcomed.
List owner: Andrew Draskoy andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca
Web page:
http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~andrew/rendance.html
**Strathspey**
Contact: strathspey-request@math.uni-frankfurt.de
Purpose: A forum for the discussion of all aspects of Scottish Country
Dancing, e.g., dance descriptions, dancing technique, the history of
dances and dancing, learning or teaching how to dance. We also welcome
descriptions of new dances, announcements of events like courses or
balls, or anything the subscribers might find interesting.
The mailing list is unmoderated, i.e. everything that is submitted is
forwarded directly to the subscribers of the list. We hope to be able
to offer an archive of past traffic if the demand should arise.
Subscription/info requests should be directed to
strathspey-request@math.uni-frankfurt.de
Just send a message with the word `subscribe' in the `Subject:' header
to subscribe to the list.
To reach a human for special requests or problems, send mail to
owner-strathspey@math.uni-frankfurt.de .
**Dance and Technology**
Send a message with body "subscribe dance-tech firstname lastname" to
listserver@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu . For further info contact Scott A.
Sutherland, ssutherl@magnus.acs.ohio.state.edu .
**Physical Education**
PE-talk is a mailing list in digest form: every day exactly one
message is sent out containing all contributions of the previous day.
Send a message with body 'subscribe' to
pe-talk-digest-request@lists.sportime.com .
**UK-DANCE**
Contact: listserv@tqmcomms.co.uk
Purpose: UK-DANCE is a mailing list for discussion about all aspects
of dance music culture in the UK: clubs, raves, clubs, record shops,
radio, records and anything else to do with the underground dance music
scene.
To subscribe to the list, write to listserv@tqmcomms.co.uk with
'subscribe uk-dance YOUR NAME' as the first line in the message body,
replacing YOUR NAME with your real name, not your e-mail address. A
digest version is also available - details upon subscription.
**Ballet-modern**
This is a public unmoderated electronic mailing list for discussion of
ballet and/or modern dance.
Anyone can join the list by sending e-mail to majordomo@world.std.com
with a "subscribe ballet-modern" command (without the quotes) in the
body of the message.
This list will be archived at
ftp://ftp/nonprofits/dance/ballet-modern
as well as the books, videos, and music directories directly under the
dance directory where appropriate.
The newsgroup alt.arts.ballet (3.1) is gatewayed daily to the list. A
more robust gateway will be available shortly.
**Tap and jazz**
This is a public unmoderated electronic mailing list for discussion of
ANY aspect of Tap and Jazz dance. Possible topics include, but are not
limited to, teachers, performances, music, videos, books, history, the
future of tap and jazz, major people, technique, etc.
Anyone can join the list by sending e-mail to majordomo@world.std.com
with a "subscribe tap-jazz" command (without the quotes) in the body of
the message.
There is currently no FAQ (list of Frequently Asked Questions) for
this list, but I'd really like to see (at least) one happen. If you
have a possible contribution, please share it with the list! If you're
interested in organizing creation of a FAQ, please contact me at
tap-jazz-request@world.std.com .
This list will be archived @ftp.std.com /ftp/nonprofits/dance/tap-jazz
as well as the books, videos, and music directories directly under the
dance directory where appropriate.
**Flamenco**
This is a public unmoderated electronic mailing list started as the
result of discussions about flamenco guitar playing on
rec.music.classical.guitar but is intended to support the discussion of
all relevant aspects of the flamenco tradition. It was originally at
another site: flamenco@tethys.nswc.navy.mil, but moved on Oct. 28,
1994.
Possible topics include, but are not limited to, teachers,
performances, music, videos, books, history, the future of flamenco,
major people, technique, etc.
Anyone can join the list by sending e-mail to majordomo@world.std.com
with a "subscribe flamenco" command (without the quotes) in the body of
the message.
This list will be archived @ftp.std.com /ftp/nonprofits/dance/flamenco
as well as the med-dance, books, videos, and music directories directly
under the dance directory where appropriate.
For more information about flamenco, including reviews and
discographies, see the Flamenco Guitar Home Page found on WWW at the
following URL (uniform resource locator):
http://www.teleport.com/~jdimick/fg.html
An additional source of flamenco & related information is the
med-dance mailing list. It covers the various Mediterranean dance
types, including any of the folkloric dances from countries that, for
the most part have a coast on the Mediterranean Sea. With that in mind,
med-dance would be an additional place to discuss flamenco as well as
other types of Spanish dance, as well as belly dance and the various
Middle Eastern folkloric dances, along with Greek dancing.
**Mediterranean-dance (including Belly Dancing)**
This is a public unmoderated electronic mailing list for discussion of
ANY aspect of the various Mediterranean dance types. That would include
any of the folkloric dances from countries that, for the most part have
a coast on the Mediterranean Sea. With that in mind, this list would be
a place to discuss flamenco and Spanish dance, belly dance and the
various Middle Eastern folkloric dances, as well Greek dancing. If
you're not sure this list covers your dance type, please feel free to
email the list.
Possible topics include, but are not limited to, teachers,
performances, music, videos, books, history, the future of the various
dance forms, major people, cloths/shoes, technique, etc.
Anyone can join the list by sending e-mail to majordomo@world.std.com
with a "subscribe med-dance" command (without the quotes) in the body
of the message.
There is currently no FAQ (list of Frequently Asked Questions) for
this list, but I'd really like to see (at least) one happen. If you
have a possible contribution, please share it with the list! If you're
interested in organizing creation of a FAQ, please contact me at
med-dance-request@world.std.com .
This list will be archived @ftp.std.com
/ftp/nonprofits/dance/med-dance as well as the books, videos, and music
directories directly under the dance directory where appropriate.
**More information about using the Majordomo lists: cw-dance tap-jazz ballet-modern med-dance flamenco**
You may leave the list completely at any time by sending an
"unsubscribe listname" command (without the quotes) to
majordomo@world.std.com . Note: replace the word listname with
whichever one of the following is appropriate: cw-dance tap-jazz
ballet-modern med-dance flamenco.
For more information about majordomo commands, put "help" in the body
of a message (without the quotes) and send it to
majordomo@world.std.com.
Where do I find specific danceforms? (3.4)
------------------------------------------
Here are some pointers to web sites and other information sources about
specific danceforms, not necessarily partner dance or social dance.
**Belly dance**
There is a mailing list (3.3) and a web site
http://cie-2.uoregon.edu/bdance/
.
**Breakdancing**
I only know of this web site:
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bock/bd/bd.html
**Carolina Shag**
A page for Shag dancing, specifically around Atlanta GA.
http://www.mindspring.com/~stancom/shag.html
[stan mislow stancom@mindspring.com ]
**Clogging**
A web page maintained by Julie Mangin jmangin@nal.usda.gov
http://www.access.digex.net/~jmangin/
**Contra dancing**
There is a web site: http://www.voicenet.com/~squeeze/contras.html , a
newsgroup news:rec.folk-dancing and several mailing lists; section
(3.3) .
**Flamenco**
There are several web sites devoted to Flamenco dancing and guitar
playing; a good list can be found on
http://www.rpi.edu/~ruberd/dancelnk.html
. There is a mailing list, too (3.3) .
**Folk and Contra Dancing**
A good collection of contra dance links:
http://www.voicenet.com/~squeeze/contras.html
There is a newsgroup rec.folk-dancing and several mailing lists (3.3)
.
**Lindy Hop**
The World Lindy Hop Federation:
http://www.halcyon.com/lindyhop/WLHF/wlhfa.html
and the Archives of Early Lindy Hop
http://www.mcn.org/a/lindyhop
maintained by judyp@mcn.org (Judy Pritchett) .
There is a mailing list (3.3) .
**Line dancing**
This site contains a lot of line dance information, and it points to
many other sites.
http://www.io.org/~rfielder/CWLinks.html
For a line dancing mailing list, see (3.3) . Here is an archive (3.7)
of line dances. A line dance web site:
http://www2.cybernex.net/~cowboy/index.html
**Performance dance, including ballet and modern**
There are many pages related to performance dance (ballet, modern
dance, tap, etc). The following is the most complete collection of
links:
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~jswhite/dance_links.html
.
There is a newsgroup (3.1) and a mailing list (3.3) for ballet and
modern.
**Polka**
There is a newsgroup alt.music.polka and a web site
http://www.polkanet.com/
.
**Sacred Dance**
The Sacred Dance Guild maintains a website at the following URL:
http://www.us.net/sdg
The Sacred Dance Guild is dedicated to dance as spiritual expression
for:
Enrichment of personal devotion and prayer.
-- Connectedness within the community at worship.
-- Acceptance and Expansion of relationships with God and others.
-- Disciplined Growth of the whole person: mind, body, and spirit.
-- Creative Discoveries within the art form and in its relevance to
the other arts in religion.
Scott A. "Scotty" Ward Scotty@US.Net or sward@us.net ,
Secretary/Treasurer, Potomac Chapter Sacred Dance Guild
**Swing Dance**
The DC Swing Dance Server
http://catalog.com/meyer/swing.html
and the Cornell server
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/People/aswin//SwingDancing/swing_dancing.html
are your best sources of information; swing is discussed on a lot on
rec.arts.dance . Here is a national list of swing dance teachers:
http://www.javanet.com/~stefan/dance/directory.html
.
**Tango**
There is a mailing list (3.3) . This is the Tango Server:
http://litwww.epfl.ch/tango/
. The site
http://www2.csn.net/dtango7
also contains articles about tango.
**Tap**
See
http://www.hahnemann.edu/tap/
. There is a mailing list (3.3) .
**Vintage dancing**
There is a web site
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~vfack/ihdp/
and a somewhat related newsgroup alt.music.ragtime . Vintage dancing in
http://www.best.com/~lavolta/dance/
the San Francisco Bay Area.
Are there forums on Compuserve and AOL? (3.5)
---------------------------------------------
There are no specific dance forums on either Compuserve or AOL.
Compuserve has related forums (eg Music/Arts), but there seems to be
very little discussion about dance. AOL has a Music & Dance section,
but it appears to be largely New York Ballet / Broadway in nature,
rather than addressing participatory dancing. Prodigy has a Country &
Western forum.
Does anyone have dance-related clip art for me? (3.6)
-----------------------------------------------------
There doesn't seem to be any decent collection of dance-related clip
art. Various clip art archives (for instance the Corel CDROMs) have a
few snippets.
Mark Balzer has made some Ascii dance art:
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~eijkhout/text/art.txt
Jon Leech has collected the images off a number of dance pages:
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~leech/dance/clipart/
Here is a collection of ballet-related digital art:
http://www.danceart.com/
Does anyone have line dance steps for me? (3.7)
-----------------------------------------------
The Dancers Archive (see above) has a large collection of line dance
steps:
ftp://ftp.std.com/customers/nonprofits/dance/CW-dance/dancesteps/
.
Do you have steps to a dance that's not on the archive? Please mail
them to Eileen Bauer ecb@world.std.com .
People post line dance steps on the line dance mailing list. See
section (3.3) .
Line dances are published in The Dance Corral, Country Dance Lines,
and Step by Step. See section (4.7) for subscription info.
For other line dance links and the line-dance mailing list see (3.4) .
What dance organisations and celebrities are on line? (3.8)
-----------------------------------------------------------
**Dance organisations**
Many ballroom dance clubs, dance studios, and other local
organisations are on line. You can find a large number of them on
Henry's hotlist:
http://zeus.ncsa.uiuc.edu:8080/~hneeman/dance_hotlist.html
.
Here are a few of the big ones:
-- the CWDD
http://grimes.rmm.com/infoak/cwdd/
contact: Jim Grimes grimes@rmm.com
-- ISDF
http://home.pi.net/~rullens/idsf.htm
-- the National Teachers Association has a web site
http://www.bbtel.com/~nta
-- the UCWDC
http://www.cais.com/ucwdc/
-- the USABDA has a web site
http://world.std.com/~usabdant/
and Bill Bennet has email Usabda@aol.com
-- the World Swing Dance Council can be reached through Annie Hirsch
anhsch@aol.com
A list of ballroom organisations:
http://wchat.on.ca/dance/pages/5dsorgns/0orgns.htm
.
**Dance publications**
-- Country Calendar (Ernest Wheeler) cwcalendar@earthlink.net
-- Country Connection (Pat Borowicz) can be reached through
ctryconnec@aol.com
-- In The Swing (Janne Anderson) JAnder8689@aol.com
-- Western Express has a web site
http://members.aol.com/wstrnxpres/index.htm
and Marcia Gray has email: wstrnxpr@sbcc.sbceo.k12.ca.us
**Event Directors**
-- Boogie Dance Productions (American Swing Dance Championships, New
York) boogiedp@aol.com
-- John Daugherty (Paradise CW Dance Festival, San Diego)
jddanc19@ally.ios.com
-- Linda Deford (Knoxville TN) TNJudge@aol.com
-- Mike Haley haleydance@aol.com
-- Craig Hutchinson (VA State) crhutch@aol.com
-- Tom Mattox (Los Angeles area) SDDCMATTOX@aol.com
-- John and Josie Need (Atlantic Seashore) VaJudge@aol.com
-- John Riddle (California Boogie and Blues, Los Angeles)
AYS12@aol.com
-- Dennis Waite (Little Bit of Texas, Chicago/ north Indiana area)
DenWaite@aol.com
-- Steve Zener szener@psnw.com
**DJs**
-- Linda Infante ishveit@ns.net
-- BJ Brown NordicTrk@aol.com
**Video productions**
-- B&S Video (Bob Ford) bsvideo@ccnet.com
-- Thumbs Up Video video111@aol.com
**Famous dancers**
-- Scott Allen sallen@electrotex.com
-- David Appel da425@aol.com
-- Jamie Arias jarias@ix.netcom.com
http://www.dancedancedance.com
-- Skippy Blair SkippyUUS@aol.com
-- Enio Cordoba prodnzr@aol.com
-- Robert Cordoba RobCordoba@aol.com
-- Kris Hagerty swingkat@aol.com
-- Michelle Kinkaid wcdancer@ix.netcom.com
-- Tom Paderna tpaderna@hooked.net
-- Debbie Ramsey DebyRamsey@aol.com
-- Charlotte Skeeters skeeters@svlhp52.scs.philips.com
-- Avner Uzan m12dance@aol.com
-- Sonny Watson wcswing1@aol.com
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