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Last-modified: 08/25/97

See reader questions & answers on this topic! - Help others by sharing your knowledge
***** Welcome to Alt.Sex.Prostitution! *****

We're glad that you've found us.  Please take a moment to read this
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) file, as it will help you understand
the standard etiquette (netiquette) for this newsgroup.  This file is
Part 1 of 4 which will be posted every two or three weeks.

The FAQ is divided into 4 parts as follows:

Part 1:  General information about the newsgroup and the
         World Sex Guide.
Part 2:  Questions and information about prostitution
         in general, plus information on fighting spam.
Part 3:  List of organizations that support prostitution
         or prostitutes or are working to decriminalize
         prostitution.
Part 4:  Suggested reading list on prostitution and
         prostitutes' rights.

A special thanks to Ms. Margo (co-founder of alt.sex.femdom) for
originating this FAQ and to AGentleMan for adding to it, shaping it,
and improving it in many ways. Thanks also to Catherine La Croix
of COYOTE/Seattle and Carol Leigh of the Prostitutesí Education
Network for supplying additional material, and a special thanks to
all of you who have made comments and suggestions.


***** What Is Alt.Sex.Prostitution?

Alt.sex.prostitution was chartered as an unmoderated newsgroup
intended for discussion and information exchange about all aspects of
prostitution, including but not limited to the legal situation in
different countries, prices, reviews of brothels, bars, clubs, massage
parlors, escort services, call girls, street prostitutes, and requests
for information.  It was newgrouped in August 1995 to replace the
dying alt.sex.services and alt.sex.brothels.

If your internet provider does not carry alt.sex.prostitution you can
usually get them to do so by simply making a request (you can try
email to webmaster@your.site, i.e, your internet provider address, not
the words "your.site").  Meanwhile, you can also find it at Deja News
(see below).

This newsgroup supports prostitution and encourages efforts to
decriminalize it (see definition in Part 2), but discussion of other
viewpoints, including anti-prostitution viewpoints, is also welcome.

The newsgroup charter also states that commercial ads are not allowed,
but obviously in an unmoderated newsgroup this is impossible to
enforce (efforts to discourage ads are discussed below).  It will
unfortunately be necessary for you to wade through the ads and spams
(irrelevant cross-postings to multiple groups) to get to the good
information in this newsgroup.  The quickest way to do this is to look
for articles with [ASP] at the beginning of the subject line.  For
more information, see the section on "How Can I Help Readers Find My
Posts?"

This is not an appropriate group for discussion of strip-clubs or
phone sex, and it is not appropriate for posting of advertisements,
binary files, or fiction stories.  There are specialized newsgroups
for these types of items (see below).


***** Where Can I Get Laid in ...(Mytown,
      the Place Iím Going to Visit, etc. etc.)?

This is, quite naturally, the most frequently asked question in this
newsgroup.  The first place you should look for answers is the World
Sex Guide, maintained by Atta and located at:

      http://www.paranoia.com/faq/prostitution/

It is also available by email using instructions given below, or it
can be  downloaded via ftp as a large (>800Kb) gzipped tar file at
<ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/electronic-publications/twsg>.

The bulk of the World Sex Guide consists of a compilation of posts
from this newsgroup about where to find prostitutes and at what price.
The World Sex Guide is updated irregularly every two or three months
when Atta has a free weekend to devote to the task.  The "From" lines
and the signatures are always deleted before an article is archived in
the World Sex Guide.  If you send something in and you specifically
want your email address to be left in, please indicate this.  If you
specifically do not want your article archived at the web site, feel
free to mention that as well.

New people are encouraged to check the World Sex Guide before posting
requests for information to this newsgroup.  Often the information you
are looking for will already be there.

The World Sex Guide also contains articles giving general advice on
how to deal with escorts, massage parlors, streetwalkers, etc.  Such
articles can be found at the beginning of the United States section
and at the end of the JayHawk report.  There is also some information
about the legal status of prostitution around the world, and other
general information about prostitution.  Virtually every
prostitution-related resource on the internet should be accessible
from there.


***** This Is Cool!  How Can I Help?

Simple:  Post your reports on the availability of various sexual
services in your area or areas you visit.  If you are a geographer and
you just discovered the lay of the land, let us know.  If you got
ripped off, expose the rip-off artist here (itís a good way to get
even).  Pooling our information is, after all, the only way we get the
information at all.

This newsgroup is only as good as its participants.  As in any form of
social intercourse, politeness goes a long way.  A number of people
who have posted here have been swamped with semi-literate requests for
more information instead of with Thank Youís or, much better yet, a
posting of more information.  Show your appreciation for what other
people post by posting what information you obtain.

Information of the type being sought here often gets out of date very
quickly.  Please do your part by contributing regularly anything you
know that would be useful to others in the group.  That is the best
way to help create a healthy group where you can also find the
information you want.


****** How Can I Help Readers Find My Posts?

Rule #1:  Identify your post with [ASP]:

To help differentiate the wheat from the chaff in this newsgroup, it
has become standard to begin on-topic reports with [ASP] in the
subject line. Using the brackets around [ASP] helps it stand out much
better than using ASP without the brackets.  Posts denoted in this
fashion will generally float to the top or bottom of alphabetized news
lists, and even if they don't they are much easier to recognize.  You
can also perform find searches for ASP in the subject lines.

Rule #2:  Identify your information requests with REQ:

It has become standard in a number of newsgroups to identify requests
with "REQ:", but regardless of how you do it, requests for information
should always be clearly identified as requests in the subject line.
Otherwise, they are more likely to irritate readers and less likely to
get a reply.  Readers may get irritated when they open a post that
says, for example, "[ASP] Dayton outcall" in the subject line, only to
find out that it is a request for information rather than a report or
recommendation.  Requests are welcome in the newsgroup, but they are
easier to identify as such if they are denoted with "REQ:" or by other
means, even just a question mark, e.g. "[ASP] Dayton request" or
"[ASP] Dayton outcall?"  This enables readers to identify more easily
the queries that they might be able to help somebody out with.

To reiterate, the following subject lines for information requests
would all be appropriate, but the first one is the general standard:

  [ASP] REQ: Dayton, OH
  [ASP] Request Info on Dayton, OH
  [ASP] Need info on Dayton, OH
  [ASP] Dayton, Ohio ???

You should NOT ask for info in any of the following ways (doing so
will incur the wrath of the real info providers, who will be less
likely to help you out):

  [ASP] Info on Dayton, OH
  [ASP] Dayton, OH
  [ASP] Dayton, OH info
  [ASP] Hot action in Dayton, OH
  [ASP] Report on Dayton, OH

Here are a few other suggestions:

1.  If you are a sex worker or an agency wishing to announce your
availability, you should make that known in the subject line.  A
phrase such as "escort available" will help your post stand out and
differentiate it from reports and posts that don't adhere to the
posting guidelines.  For example, "[ASP] Dayton escort available"
makes it abundantly clear what the post deals with, whereas "[ASP]
Dayton escort" is a poorly phrased subject line that could be a
request, a report, or a notice of availability.

2.  It is generally easier to identify posts if the geographic
reference is placed early in the subject line.  For example, "[ASP]
Dayton escort sought" jumps out more quickly than "[ASP] Escort sought
in Dayton."

3.  When testing anonymous posting methods (see below), use [TEST]
instead of [ASP] in the header.  This still makes it easier to find
amidst the spam, but does not interfere with the information sources
found under the [ASP] header.

4.  Subject lines in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS are often ignored because
they are characteristic of spam and are considered SHOUTING.  Donít
use all capital letters except for the [ASP] and REQ designations.

5.  It is also a good idea to avoid using any words in your subject
line that readers might have in their "kill files" which are used to
automatically screen out some of the spam in the newsgroups.  Such
words could include the likes of the following:  1-800, 1-900, 011,
(800), (900), $/min, WWW, nigger, homo, queer, Clinton, Newt, jpg,
mpg, jpeg, avi, gif, free, phone, cum, cunt, pussy, ass, fuck, cock,
crave, hole, tight, ass, slut, whore.  You get the idea.  One of the
best spam filters is one which ignores anything that is cross-posted
to five or more newsgroups (although that will eliminate this FAQ,
which is posted to six newsgroups).


****** How Can I Post Anonymously?

Posting anonymously is very common in the alt.sex newsgroups because
people may not want their neighbors, families, co-workers, or other
associates to know about their activities (or even their thoughts) on
topics in these newsgroups.  There are several ways to accomplish this
objective, listed below.  They vary in the degree of security and
anonymity they offer, and it is up to you to decide what degree is
sufficient for your needs.  Available means of posting anonymously
seem to change rapidly as remailers come and go.  Anonymous remailers
often bite the dust, primarily due to spam abuse.  This situation is
likely to continue as the internet undergoes its growing pains.  This
FAQ endeavors as best it can to keep up with this rapidly changing
subject.  If you are reading an older version of this FAQ, try to find
a newer version if you have trouble posting anonymously.

Note:  If you want to post something anonymously, itís not a bad idea
to check your method first by posting a short test message with [TEST]
in the header rather than [ASP].  This message won't bother anyone
because it will be lost in the spam, but you will still be able find
it and see whether your method is really anonymous by looking at the
article and all its headers.  A common trap is to leave a signature in
your post.

1.  Type I anonymous remailers.

One method to post anonymously to this newsgroup is to use an
anonymous remailer in conjunction with a mail-to-news (mail2news)
gateway.  There are several such remailers, but only two gateways that
I know of that will post to this newsgroup.  These two gateways are
<myriad.alias.net> and <newspost.zippo.com>.  This method is more
secure than other methods because your real email address is not kept
on the remailerís computer.  However, this also means that you cannot
get email replies.

Any of the following remailers will anonymize your message using the
technique described below:

     remailer@replay.com
     remailer@cypherpunks.ca

This information keeps changing faster than I can update it,
so if your post doesn't work, look at this web site:

<http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html>.

For a currently working remailer.

If you have a report, I will post it with all information
about you removed.  Just email it to me.  If it isn't a report,
don't bother asking.

STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS:

Hereís how to post anonymously:

 1. Email to any one of the above remailers
 2. The subject should be the subject of your post
 3. On the first line of your message type a double colon ("::")
 4. On the second line type:
    Anon-To: alt.sex.prostitution@myriad.alias.net
       OR    post-alt.sex.prostitution@newspost.zippo.com
 5. The third line should be blank
 6. Start your message on the fourth line
 7. Remember not to use a signature!!!!!!!!!

In other words, the body of your email should look like this:

>::
>Anon-To: alt.sex.prostitution@myriad.alias.net
>
>Hello, I'm reporting on.....(whatever)

Thatís it!  Send it off, and the nice folks at the remailer will strip
off all the identifying headers and send your message along to the
nice folks at the mail2news gateway (either myriad.alias.net or
newspost.zippo.com) who will make it pop up in the newsgroup.  The
folks at myriad.alias.net were even kind enough to add this newsgroup
to their gateway at my request.

You can post anonymously this way, but you will not be able to get
replies by email.  You can get more information about the remailers by
sending a message to any of the remailers with the subject
"remailer-help" (without the quotation marks).  The help files you
will receive are essentially identical for all of these remailers, so
one such help file should be sufficient.

A few of the remailers have an "Anon-Post-To" function, but this
function usually will not work for this newsgroup so you will need to
modify their instructions as indicated above (i.e. go through a
gateway) to post here.

Since remailers and gateways are subject to change and periodic down
times, and since both must be operative for this to work, these
methods may at times be unreliable.  If your post does not appear
within two days, you can assume it was lost and should try again,
perhaps with another remailer or gateway.

2.  Encrypted remailers.

All of the remailers listed above (and others) provide greater
security if you use encryption.  Setting up an encrypted reply block
is also possible.  This subject is complicated and is beyond the scope
of this FAQ.  Updated information and links on anonymous remailers can
be found at <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html>.
The links will lead to the necessary PGP encryption software and the
optional Private Idaho software interface.  The software is all free
but it takes a while to master it.

3.  With your newsreader.

One way to be somewhat anonymous is to simply place a fictitious name
and email address in the user profile of your newsreader software.
Your internet provider will be identified, but you wonít be.  You
should test this first by posting to alt.test (or some other newsgroup
where you donít care if you are anonymous) to make sure that your name
and email address do not appear in the headers.  The information on
who you are will still be in your internet providerís log files, so if
someone files a complaint on something you posted that could be
interpreted as spamming or illegal, your provider could identify you.
This method would generally not be a good idea if you want to post
from work, since if you are using your employerís server they would be
able to identify you.  This method may be sufficient for your needs,
however, if your only concern is that you donít want your family or
friends to know that you are posting here.

4.  Other email services.

There are a number of other email services available which may be
anonymous enough for your purposes, although in all cases you are
relying on the provider to keep you anonymous.  You will need to
decide if this provides the degree of security you want.  Some of
these services are listed below.  To post to this newsgroup from any
of these services, you can send email directly through a gateway, i.e.
to <alt.sex.prostitution@myriad.alias.net> or
<post-alt.sex.prostitution@newspost.zippo.com>.  You can also post to
this newsgroup directly from The Nymserver and Mailanon.

AOL.  AOL has been called "the largest anonymous remailer in the
world" because it allows up to five screen names, each of which is a
pseudonym traceable only by AOL and law enforcement.

POSTONE.  PostOne is a free email forwarding service based in
Singapore.  They forward email to your regular email address, and you
can mail from them either from their web page or by placing
appropriate footers at the end of your message.  They make money by
placing short ads at the end of your incoming mail (these are not very
intrusive).  Whatever name you place in the name field when you
register will appear in your email, so place your anonymous moniker
(not your real name) in the name field when you sign up.  The system
is very easy to use and very fast.  The Singapore company states:  "We
undertake not to track, alter or reveal private communication.  Our
service is bound by the law and public policy."  Despite the fact that
prostitution is legal there, Singapore does not have a good track
record on civil liberties, and it has been reported that Singapore
recently started to monitor and censor all incoming web traffic.
Youíll have to decide if you trust this situation.  You can get more
information and sign up for the service at <http://www.mailhost.com>.

THE NYMSERVER.  The Nymserver offers a service that works much like
the old anon.penet.fi did, but at a cost of $35 per year.  It also
requires a credit card to secure against abuse of the system.  They
can be found at <http://www.nymserver.com>.  The site contains lots of
information about anonymity on the internet.

MAILANON.  Mailanon (formerly Edtec) offers a service that works much
like anon.penet.fi did, but at a cost of $5 a month.  They can be found
at <http://www.mailanon.com/anon.html> or send email toinfos@mailanon.com
for an automated reply with more information.

***** Are There Other Prostitution-Related FAQs?

There is an FAQ specific to legal prostitution in Nevada (U.S.A.)
maintained by Bashful and located at:

      http://www.paranoia.com/~bashful/

Other prostitution FAQ files, some of which are area-specific, are
posted from time to time by various users, so keep your eyes open for
them.  These will also be added to the World Sex Guide website
whenever it is updated.


***** Is Alt.Sex.Prostitution Archived Anywhere Else?

Yes.  All newsgroups are archived at Deja News
<http://www.dejanews.com>.  This is a good place to search for
articles that have not yet been archived in the World Sex Guide.  Go
to Deja News and click on "Power Search."  Then click on "Create a
Query Filter" and put alt.sex.prostitution in the field.  Then specify
the dates you want the search to include and submit the query filter.
Then initiate a search for the city or country you are interested in.
If you would like to pull up all articles for the past month or so, go
to "Power Search" and put "~g alt.sex.prostitution" (without the
quotation marks) in the field.  Better yet, do a search for "~g
alt.sex.prostitution and ~s ASP".  This will pull up only relevant
articles and no ads or spams.  Very slick!  Use the help files at Deja
News if you need more help.


***** Can I Access the World Sex Guide by email?

Yes.  If you donít have web access, you can still get the World Sex
Guide (or any other web page) by email.  All you need to know is the
Uniform Resource Locator (or URL, that long ugly string starting with
"http:", "gopher:", or "ftp:") which defines the address of the
document, and you can retrieve it by sending email to one of the
following:

   agora@dna.affrc.go.jp        (Japan)
   agora@kamakura.mss.co.jp     (Japan)
   agora@info.lanic.utexas.edu  (USA)
   agora@cobra.tec.mn.us        (USA)
   agora@mx.nsu.nsk.su          (Russia ONLY)
   agora@www.undp.org           (restricted to "developing" countries)
   agora@mail.w3.org            (out of service)

In the body of your note include one of these lines, replacing "<URL>"
with the actual URL specification.

   send <URL>
or
   rsend <return-address> <URL> (to override your return address)

This will send you back the document you requested, with a list of all
the documents referenced within, so that you may make further
requests.  The URL for the World Sex Guide home page is
<http://www.paranoia.com/faq/prostitution/>.

There are also ftp-to-email gateways.  These are treated in the
"How to access the Internet via email FAQ" which is posted to
comp.mail.misc.

***** Do Any Sex Workers Read this Newsgroup?

Yes, there are several sex workers who regularly read and sometimes
post to this newsgroup.  Their input is particularly valued and if you
see one post, please don't swamp her mailbox with wannas (wannafucks)
unless she asks for them.  Sex workers are strongly encouraged to post
to this group.  Please feel free to post anonymously if it makes you
feel more comfortable about posting here.


***** Where Can I Find Related Newsgroups?

You might enjoy some of the following newsgroups as well:

  alt.sex.strip-clubs - Discussion of strip clubs and strippers.
  alt.sex.telephone - Discussion of phone sex and phone sex ads.
  alt.sex.brothels - Discussion of brothels worldwide.
  alt.sex.femdom - Discussion of female domination (Dominatrix).
  alt.sex.services - A mixed bag of sex-related services.
  alt.sex.movies - Discussion of X-rated movies, videos, & pornstars.
  alt.sex.wizards - General sex questions and answers.
  alt.sex.safe - Safe sex questions and answers.
  sci.med.aids - About HIV/AIDS, mostly by medical professionals.


***** What Can I Post Here?

No one runs (moderates) this newsgroup and no one can stop you from
posting (even though ads are prohibited by the newsgroup charter).  As
a part of the alt (alternative) hierarchy this newsgroup is
technically open to any and all postings.  However, it is proper
netiquette (net-etiquette) to keep your posts to the topic of the
newsgroup.  Off-topic posts are not welcome and will only irk people
and will not generate interest in whatever it is you are trying to
push.

If your reply is directed to one specific person, please use an e-mail
reply.  If you are replying to a long post, please use your editor to
cut the material you quote down to a manageable size.  If you quote
180 lines and then add "Me too!" at the bottom you will look like a
jerk.  Keeping your line length to 78 characters will stop the last
word of your post from wrapping around onto a new line when it's read
by others.  Don't post a message in ALL CAPS since that means that
you're SHOUTING!

This newsgroup has always been fairly friendly, so please keep flames
to a minimum.  If you flame someone you open yourself up to being
flamed even worse.  Spelling and grammar flames are inappropriate.  It
is information thatís important, not perfect spelling.  All of us make
occasional typros anyway.  A.O.L.-bashing is now passe.  If you're
flaming someone privately, keep in mind that tactics like mailbombing
and forged cancels can cause you to lose your own account.  If you
want to complain about someone's post, send e-mail to
postmaster@their.site or root@their.site.  This is preferred over
filling up the newsgroup with flames about an obvious jerk.

Spams (posts to many off-topic newsgroups) and posting chain letters
or pyramid schemes such as Quickcash, Make Money Fast (MMF), and the
Recipes scam will usually cause you to lose your account.  Posts such
as MMF are considered fraud and are illegal in many areas.  It will
also make everyone on the net hate you and think you're retarded.
Don't do it.


***** Can I Post An Advertisement Here?

Ads are not welcome here.  Part of the reason that
alt.sex.prostitution was created was to try (in vain) to escape the
crush of advertisements.  Several people are actively working to send
letters of complaint to the Postmaster of anyone who posts commercial
ads to this group.  The posting of advertisements to *discussion*
newsgroups is also prohibited by the providers of most services
including .edu sites, .mil sites, A.O.L., Delphi, Prodigy, Compuserve,
Netcom, Earthlink, The Well, and most others (check with Support or
Postmaster at your site if you're unsure of your own rules).  If you
have something to advertise, please use the following newsgroups which
are O.K. for ads:

      alt.sex.erotica.marketplace - General products/services for sale.
      alt.sex.telephone - Phone sex ads.
      alt.bbs.ads - BBS ads.
      alt.sex.magazines - Magazines for sale and wanted.
      alt.sex.wanted - Looking for love or just a little relaxation.

Please note that many Internet services offer "kill lists" or "kill
files" that allow users to automatically kill all messages from
specific posters or specific sites.  Therefore, if you post an ad, you
are likely to end up in many kill files and then *none* of your
messages will get through to anyone.


***** Can I Post a Personal Ad Here?

You can, but it's a dumb thing to do.  There are very few females who
read this newsgroup and most of those are business Ladies.  If your
personal doesn't involve payment for services it belongs in
alt.sex.wanted or one of the many alt.personals.* newsgroups.


***** Why Don't I See Answers to Most of
      the Requests for Information?

Some people don't want to post publicly about their possibly illegal
activities.  Many of these questions are answered in private e-mail.
This doesn't help everyone else reading, but that's the way it goes.
If you have a specific question, post it and hope for a response.

If your request is seen as too crude, you may not get a response.  A
poster's words are the only way readers have of judging him.  A poster
who can't put a sentence together with a subject and a verb in the
right place, who doesn't know where the shift key is, and who doesn't
know the difference between a period and the space bar, is perhaps
less likely to get a response.  A lot of our readers are looking out
for the ladies and respect them too much to refer somebody to them who
might not treat them as they should be treated.

Another reason that responses might be lacking is that people get
tired of responding to information requests after a while if they
donít get at least a few strokes for doing so.  If you put in a
request for information on a particular city, and someone emails you
30 kilobytes of information that was posted a couple of weeks earlier,
send that person a nice Thank You and then post an item to the group
about what you were able to confirm about the information or what you
found to be different.  This helps keep the group going smoothly and
makes it more likely that the next person will get a response as well.

If you would like to respond to an information request, but don't feel
comfortable doing so, please use one of the anonymous remailers (see
above) to post your answer.  Many of the other readers will appreciate
seeing a response.


***** Where Are the Pictures/FTP Sites/
      Secret Porn/Me Too/Me Too/Me Too

Binary pictures can be found on-line in the alt.binaries.pictures.*
newsgroups.  If you can't get these newsgroups from your site then get
a provider who carries them; don't whine that people should post them
here.  Binaries take up a lot of space on systems and in downloads of
mail packets, so please be considerate and keep them in their place.

Stories can be found in alt.sex.stories (basic porn) or
rec.arts.erotica (literary porn).  Stories can also be found in the
various alt.sex.fetish.* groups that are specific to the topic of the
group.

Don't ask that people post the addresses of secret ftp sites of porn.
If someone actually did post (which has happened), 100,000 people
would try to access the site, the Sysadmin of the site would notice,
and it would immediately be shut down.  The best you can do is ask
that someone send you one by e-mail.  If you don't have one to trade
you're not likely to get any takers.

Postings offering lists of erotic binary sites, or adult binaries by
mail, or nude binaries of famous women are all pranks or scams.  The
people posting these messages are either trying to see how many idiots
they can get to follow-up and ask for this stuff, or are trying to get
you to send them money.  Be smart and don't be taken in.

If someone requests something don't be one of the hundred fools
posting a "Me too!" follow-up.  Either write the original poster via
e-mail asking for the information or wait for the information to be
posted.


***** Who The Hell Are You Anyway?

Starting in July of 1997, the task of maintaining this FAQ was
transferred to a new person who goes by the name of "22 Rimfire".  The
name has no special significance; it was picked because I was the 22nd
new customer on my anonymous news server.  The real credit for this
FAQ should go to the original author,  AGentleMan.  I can be reached
at 00022@mailanon.com (22 Rimfire).  Donít bother asking me where
to find a prostitute in your city, as I wonít bother to respond.  All
I could do is repeat whatís in this FAQ by referring you to the World
Sex Guide and to the a.s.p newsgroup.  If you email me, I will never
reveal your identity.

Why do  do this?  My main purpose is to spread information about how
to avoid sexually transmitted diseases.  If you don't read any other
part of this FAQ, read the section on STD's in section 2.  My second
purpose is because I believe that the present laws agains victimless
crimes such as prostitution and drug use do more harm than good.  My
third purpose is to help and support sex workers, who are often
harrassed by both criminals and police.

Remember, always treat your sex worker with respect!


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