(^Tj Subjeot sue plokad up et the ue* RV point, the Chaillot Palace, by U. endfroa another oar by Roger. Subjeot arrived at the eafe epertaeat0 hours. C. 1 Did you call the Prench girl ? Tea, but ebe ia busy today and toanrro* evening end toaorro*ill be buey because tbe Exhibition ie closing. ave to be present during the closing oereaDniea end there willort of banquet in the evening,uat also be,
The delegation has arrived and thay have thirteen people, four
of them are motallurglsta and the other nine ere from various enterprises.
They ere staying at the Trianon Palace Hotel. Amongst them there are two
KGBne of them le the Chief of the Delegation and hie name ia
Aleksander Pavlovich PICHUCINA (No.n Delegation List, designated es
Engineer of the Uosoow Institute of Transportation Engineers). Today the KGB
of the French Resldeoturm called hla in and briefed hia on the local pattern
of behaviour for the delegation, namely thatshould go out alone, that
they ahould not go out exoesaively andegular achehould be
eetabliahed. PICHUCINA reported to the deputy KGB Roil denture Chief hero,
whose asms laave not yet found out tho caee of tho KGB Resident.
PICHUGINA reported on the etatua of tha delegatission, their general
disposition,nd in addition aald that one of the delegation members,
an Armenian whose name la Alekeander Sorgeievioh SAPARXANiated
aa Engineer-Technologist of an Armenian SSRn elderly man who
is short end wears glasses, has brought with him at the requestriend
of hie, also an Armenian, fromottle of cognac and caviar to be
givenriend of therench Armenian. He had given hln the
address of the French Aresnlan. Vhen this was reported to ROkANOV, the latter
eaid that thia oould only beew hours before the delegation wae to
depart from PARIS. At that time SAFAPTAN oould go in the ooorpeny of the
delegation chief or the deputy to the delegation chief, to that address and
deliver the paokago. At thle time it waa forbidden to gettoot with
the French Armenian who oould, in acme way, develop the Russian or talk him
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into staying behind or paos him ecaa valuable gift to bring back to
his friend. The visit could only be made at the last moment and very *
suddenly.
Tho otherscars in this group rsret-
Gcorgly Vlodimirovich BURDSrKOV (listeds an engineer of
Vim (theCOT Research Institute) ond he io enenergy engineer of tbo City of UOSCOT/).
Ho is the other co-opted KG3 mm.
Then comas, Faina Borisovna GH-OYAH (listed aand io an engineer of
ays and llanns of Cccrsunication of the Armenian SSR Scvnarkhos).
She is an elderly Anrenian wccran.
The next one is: Karlena Achotovna OVAKHuTAN (iic-tad lib.hemical
engineer of the Armenian SSR Scvnarkhos).
Sheympathetic youngcfhose fatherrominent Director in the Armenian Republic. You can look him up under the prominentaveiot of. Lco'c under the Armenian SSR and hia first name ia Anhot, and larceinsty con.
The next ene ia: SusannaIRiTffAlI (listed asn engineer-economist of da Armenian SSR Sovnarkhoz).
Then there ia Boriolisted.nd is an engineer
of tha factory "October Revolution" in CDSSSA).
Tho next one is Korcoy Daniscvich TOVSTYuT: (lioisd as Ko.ndcientific
rker of tho Chemovitoi Governront University of th3 City of CHERKOVTTSI,
And tho last one ia an interpreterUippovna TOIf^CHEVA (listed as Ko, 21
ml io on intarprater of the KOSCOB City Sovnarkhos).
How about the othor four ? Thsave you ore allpropocDd list but the other four are in additicn to these on the list;
thay era metallurgists and. ito not know theiryetill meot with than sfjtin able arrivod atoting that twenty others aro cocing,ay bo also cn this list and acme may ba in additicn to these on tins list. In addition to the four metallurgists who have arrived, withlso cama LA5TIJVA nho is cur
Interpreter iron our Cocdttee ln MOSCOW. And thay axe ataying at the Bote! Ezoeleior Opera. The other nine lire at the Trianon Palace Hotel and ln eddltlon we alao have reaerved booklnge who re necessary at the Palace Hotel. Theee are the three hotels they use for our delegations. The laat one le where the AntonobUe Special late will go to. ave ocntlnuoua contact with theae dais gataw then todayill eee thea again tonorrow. Thia one has Ita Itinerary already established with TRANSTOOR. My job le to find out the exact Itinerary and upon ersnlning the towns that they will visit to arrange plaoee for the delegation nenbere to visit in accordance with the individual specialities and backgrounds of the delegation swasher*. In this respeot we already haveit established.
aveopy of the proposal written byhis own band* Ha is the Counsellor as you know for Science andthia ia an extract frost his diary and four copies have been shade; to our Committee, one goes to XNT0UR1ST, one ppee to the Europeanth* foreign Office and the fourth copy goes to the files of thela the record of hie dleoueelons; he gave ne thia copy booauao itthe delegation which haa just arrived, concerning which arrangement* hav*
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for then. If he did not have this for this delegationculd have to arrange visits for then for two er three hour* at on* factory or another.
Here he write* es follows: (aubject now reads tbe entirethe handwritten two-page report. In view of the fact that subjeotleave this with us sine* he needed it for uae on thaolaroid eanere was aede and after two trials acopy of each page was made with legible text)
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upper left hand eide waa written "From the Diary of.
tbe upper right hand aide was written "Account of athe President of the fira, Cocnpagnie Cone rale d'Electrichtext wasiscussion with the Presidentrale d'Eleotrleite, Paul DUPOKT, who oeae to the Embassy onof DEXCOFFE for the purpose of olarifying eoce questions
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regarding the organisation of tha workroup of tourists who aro eleotrloal apaoislista who ars arriving in France during the period of the Soviet Exhibition. My conferee told na that their companyan amalgam tlon of ten fines andide variety of electrical equipaent and are willing to reoelve theae tourists in order to show them the following enterprises -The Atelier da Dalle in LYONS (Apparatus using modi urn and high voltages) -the LYONS Cable Factory (Le Cable deho Savoio Transformer Company (Atelier de laot far from LYONS'. According to tbe words of DUPGWT, these factories are the most modem and will unquestionably be of great interest to our specialists.
I thanked DUPCNT for thia informationromieed to inform cur organisations which are interested in thia about him". (It was signed Counsellor for Soienoe and Technology, I, Kudryavtsev", istribution list waa writteni- copy to CKKNITi; second oopyhird oopy to the first EO (First European Beotlon of ths Ministry of Foreign Affaire),- fourth oopy to file").
the photographlo eat-up was being arranged, subjeot said: By
tha way Harold, will you please find the graduating olass photograph wo looked at the other day. ave remembered ths names of several more officers. emembered that the Party Score tary was Lieut. Colonel of Engineers PAVLOV. lso remember two others. s Lieutenant Colonel RYAZANTSOV. Haine officer. Ho came to the class from the Ural military district and went to tho ease place after graduating, and thla other onee Is half-Russian, half-^Jewish, Hia name eacapea na, it la some thing like ZUXMAN, That is. Ho la an Engineer Major who la working near ROSTOVm, away at the factory which produoss fuels andold you about before. He ia the one involved lnthese so-called powder pencils or oaodloa for TRA weapons,
tbe photography, subjeot said; with respect to thla dele gat ion
which has Just come and the other one which willill consult with them In terms of what oltlos they aro going to visit, KUDRYAVTSEV will give them hia prepared itinerary plan and if he dee an't haveny even ask EOCK to indicate whore interesting places are. ill not travel around with the delegation. Of course anything that BOOK arranges is primarily for
your benefit. Tbat is right and let a* mention ene other thingimportant. onversation with ANANYEV. Be said thatths Exhibition is closing all you need to do la to tell usyou hare sads for visiting planes and ee will assignSOLOVYEV to you. He knows French well and he csn helpsto. SCLOVYBV is aa operational ease officer about whoa Ibefore (he works inoiantifio-Technioal Croup). Ofconversation sill take placeave distrussed this withill moot on the 5th Ootober. when HOCK oalla torn that morning Zhla to meet with so as scon as possible. ill bringresentcognac and caviare and we will discuss ths possibilities ofand obtaining brochures. Is SOLOVYEV tha operational? Yea ho is. He speaks French well and he has beenin SwitBorland, and he will be ay How do you expect to work this T If you go Out alone with
SOLOVYEV, do you erpeot to take photographs of military targets on ill go to the places which HOOK sets up for me to visit. In addition BOOK will give ae aaae brochure aeterials and these will he supplemented with what WYNNE brings. Thia Isava to report regarding ths delegations and ny work therewith.
10* For hew long did you aay this delegation will be here They will be here for twelve days. Of thia time they will opondfive days ln PARIS and the balance of time tbey will spend askingFrance. ill knov the dstails tonorrow. Possiblygorip as sot up by HOOK oven before the delegation It makes no difference j once theyn theave nothingdo with It. Whan do you think you will go on your tripto BOOK, do yoa think lt vill be on Friday cr Saturday ? think It will be during next weak,ill only Beet with BOOKand that evening woesting together to examine theen Friday BOOK will show as something in the ImmediatePARIS. aked him to do thia. On Monday or Tuesday of next weakprobably go out of ths city so town* re.
I need acme blogrephla data on BOOK. (j. produced aon whloh the baalo baokground data and place of employment ofitemised). Since thia Material wee written. Embassywaa requested to re-write ell of tbe data in hla own hand ina sterile piece of paper and George wrote out for hln the correctRussian equivalents of the data which aubject put In Russian text After writing all the information down ln hla own hand ln hlasubjeot asked Harold what information waa obtained for him on theat Oxford. Harold gaveaper industry journal with aa half eueasary of tha symposium ln which lt was stated thath September. Be was told that the reports would bein two or three months. Despite aubject'a displeasure in notresults of the SyarpoBlua in hand as desired by BEKRENEV, the Chief ofDirectorate, for hie false documentation prcgrazsas, subject sawthat he oould not have theee results before they were published. be given the paper industry Journal later as ostensibly comingeinoe he oould not present it to the Soviet Enbesay nov because IDEE
is currently ln BELGRADE.
fill there be any more brochures from WINNE for meeed Tee, there will be, eed acmsthlng on the paper Thia le notield but ve vill try to get you what we Vhen will WTXKK oone here ? Ve do not know exaotly, but he willbefore you leave*
S.I Vhat else do ve have on our programme. Do you have questions for ne? Of oouree ve have. Flrat of all ve will begin with tM. concept. Prior to the tine that you have your transmitter, which we will dieouae later, hereoncept forignalling system in tbe event that you have the noet urgent information to pass to us. This islae urgency that le ao vital that you cannot wait for the next meeting vith Janet and nuat paaa thia information through your dead-drop.
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The ocooept ia that touignal on this light-pel- aeof before. ery lengthy dleeueelon took piece on the manner ofmidge or nuxnerioal signal or eome other sort of aignal on tha lamp poet. In addition every poeaible variation in signal ling by phone and by aignal ems discussed. In tbe middle of this dieousslon lt was pointed out to aubject that the eel* purpose for euefa oontaot waa for the most urgent type of oarsrunl cation to ua. Thle was further ape lied out in precise language, namely that if Soviet military action were inrninent or that Soviet military motion as the result of en action on the part of the Vestesultoviet ultimatum would be Inrnnent, was ths nature of hia ocmmunleating to ua by thia) It was finally decided in principle, with the de tails to be worked out later that euoh oomaunioatlon wouldan emit ted to ue ss follows.ine to be definitely set, but tentatively eetabllahed at5 houra on any day, subjeot would telephoneumber to be given him end would ring continuously until the telephone waa answered. ale voice said "Hullo" or anything else, subjeot wculd hang up and again make tha same call and again hang upale voice answered the phone. During the late hours of the previoua evening,ouble check subjeot would havearkew Inches below tho numbern light-pole No.t the signal eite. The recipient of the message, whloh obvioualy ahould be the party for whom it was intended, since it wouldale voice, would immediately check the pole to be sure that the telephone call could not have been ln error, despite the double call, in thle case, and only in this ease, would subjeot load tbe drop with his urgent message atoura, knowing that the dead-drop would be clearedalf hour nore or leas. He would make hia cellublic phone booth, timing himself to be sure that it would be available st0 houra. Then, knowing that bs had already placed the signal the evening hi fore, he oould leisurely load his drop end proceed to bis office, ahioh la directly en routeatter of ninutea. emale vole* answer the phone be
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vouldhavo th* option of hoping toala voice on hia aocood call. If he did notale voice ce hia second cell, ho vould as sun that his neesage vaa not received by the party for whom Intocdod and he vould not load hla drop and he vould bo forced to make oontaot on the next day. Under no eonditiona vould subjeot bo obliged to aay one void on the telephone, ooncoming which subjectoot sensitive apprehension, particularly since hs Is sure that the kgbape recording cf all such phone oalla aad thoy oould either Batch his voice or break it phonetically If he were under suspicion sa the last straw ln his defence against any possible accusation. The details of the above principles vhieh were adopted vill be finally agreed prior todeparture). hink we have oono to an understanding of thia emergency procedure and va vill take It up again later before be goes back vhen we have the details all vorked out.
H,i Let us do que it lone on tho Kremlevka first, than ve will go
into the radio do son et rat Ion and if we have any time left ve ean cover some more questions to tho extent that time permits. First of all hov did you Obtain this krealavka directory ? This directory belongs to CVISHIaKX, ad been vorklng In hia of floead the chance to photograph it. The cover vas rwdj Isn't CVISHIANT's name written on it somewhere ? Bo, Tho name doesn't appear. Hero la exactlyid lt. aa vorklng ia CYISHXAHTs office late on Saturday for hla andhotographed the Government Office telephone directory, hut thisook heoewith re overnight and photographed lt at nhat ars tbe peculiarities ef this telephone system ? It la olaaalfisdovernment telephone system. There ars tvo such systems. One Is oollodh. vbloh ties in MOSCOW offices to its central and the line* go throughout the land to all thevhere there are oltiea and to all ohlaat ooendtteaa of the Partyeaponaible Party official nay bo stationed. Itigh frequency system. One must request froa the central switchboard to hene cannotumber
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ob this aystea. The caller's masher la asked for and given when anail la nade. The Kremlevka laOSCOW olrouit which inter-ccnoeota all tha main Government offices. There ia none liks that ln LENINGRAD. Tou probably have read in tha Instructions that the system la under KGB supervision. It ia stated that Top Beoret conversations are prohibited, but all and everything ia discussed on this line despite tha einonltlon. Is Itigh-frequency lino ? Tea, it la but lt le not on the aaae frequencies aa the line going throughout the land which la ealledh. G. i One eanumber on thisa that right f Tes, and four digits ars used. Ia It ever oalled the Vertushkn ? Tas, It is. It la celled either the Yartushka or Krenlevkni It Is the same thing. Yortuahka ia tho slang expression while Krealovka la the offioisl designation. la it correct to alao callh. typo system ? Tss it is hutepeat thath. frequencies areifferent range froa that of the line oalledorgot to aontion that the longh. line runs to all countries Of People's Democracies.
6.1 Ia it possible to be connected into the Krealovka system from
the Dunlolpal line or vice-versa ? No, absolutely not. The only thing that oan be done ie to tap in to tbo cable If one knew where to do thla and the conversations could he overheard if technicians can analyse the frequencies. In thia directory all members of tha Ministry of Defence are not included and In case of similar last naaea tha office of the individual is stated to avoid confusion. On what basis la It dote rained whose name appearsirectory and whoso does not or whorealovka telephone and who does not T All those who have Important poaitiona in any ooaaittee would have this telephcoe. Soma people would have two telephones for example, tha Minister of Defenoe would have his office In the Ministry of Defence
listed and he alao has an office ln the Kremlin. la thereetermination on the basis of whioh one does or does not receive thia telephone 7 Tss, there Is. This la set by tbe (uprevlyayeahchla del aad) Executive Officer of the Council of Ministers of. He also detarsines who should bo Included ln the special and rsatrioted
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dining room roster aod ln the roster permitting those to go to closed storea. This also includes special hoapital privileges. It ie the sane old system of whoore elegant dacha and whohabbierhle Executive Officerig office which aervicea the Council of Minister*. ust remembered that at one tine OERDATSV was the Executive Officer. Do not the various ocrxsltteea of the Central Oommittee propose or direct who ehould be given thle telephone also ? Of course thsy doj the Executive Officer merely handles the mechanics for which he is-TTlven instructions*
fl. J On what llnee sre all the headquarters of the Military District* aenaeoted with the MOSCOW Headquarter* 1 E. i All of these military headquarter* are oonneoted onh. line to the Ministry of Defence whloh is tbe aaae line which connects all Party Headquarters and Governmental Headquarters* Of oouree thle cable is auch that itultiple conversation oarrler and tha various eoaversatlona are transmitted on various frequencies. llitary alarm message le to be seat out to ell the Headquarters 7 It would go out onh. line to all military centres, political centres, eto. as-required. Soviet technology clalma that neitherh. line nor the Kremlevka can be Do they ever encode oonversatlona when particularly sensitive information must be passed and by aeans ofh. system ? S. j Tea. Thle is soaetlaes done alnoe the Eighth otdelub-seotion at every nllitary headquartera, which can code and da-code. Thia lahifr-telegrams* Of course theee asessgee can be aeot cither by sire or radio, then used onh* line it isalefonogram. The aesaage le transmitted by numbere.
H.i Why does MOSKALEKXO have two telephones ? S. i Thst le be la considered to be very important as tbe Ccoremder of Strategic Rocket Forcea and one of theee oould be the number of hia headquartera in PERXHuamovo and the other one in MOSCOW. G. I Presumably KHRUSHCHEV haa all telephones 7 Tee, but bis boas Dumber le not given in the arealevka, neither la that of nTKOTAH. now that they both
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omo number tied ln be onus* In an earlier edition of thle dlreotory, KHROfflCHEVa home number waa Hated.
19. Sinoe when haa thia Kremlevka eyatem been inoulS eay sinoe I'd like to say thia about the system, we onceecture on it. It la possible to find the key to the eleotrioal frequency cirouite used. Tho Important thing ia to looato the oable end to work out the formula (regim) to break tho conversation. Anotherorgot to mention Is that all outstanding designers such as rooket and aircraft deslrawrs are also lieted in thia directory, such ae CHELOiET. Hal If wo were to oce$>aro the names ln tho Kremlevka here with the names in the directory of the Academy of Soienoes, thereby oould we not determine who are the Important nen working in various fields ? Cf course thle oan bo done; this can all be established. old you that in LONDON, and you wild see that only the important aoientlsta willreslevka telephone. This is en important analysis and this vork should be done because lt will provide Solid information.
asked that if the decision to attack were made, howorder be transmitted to the various military ooaxnandere ln thoaad other pieces such aa. The communicationwould be uaed would be all those which have oommunicationaV.Ch, lines would be used. And coded telegrams would be sent tooomnandera of every echelon who have sealed orders. They wouldto open their sealed ordere and aot aooordingly. Therefore thlebe transmitted byh. by coded telegram and ooded radiowould be interesting to listen to the oonversatlona on the Kremlevka.
I am aura that bur technology oould break the eleotrioal code if they could only get at tha oable aa they did in BERLIN,
Theee are ell tbe questions for the time being. Howup and give your demonstration with the radio equipment andyourself about what you understand about its operation. Just atand by while you demcnatrate,
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eriod of about forty minutes subject slowly want through the deeoription of how he would use eaoh item of equipment. He aonneoted end ae pa ratal all electrioal and physical ocntaota which are neoeaaary to Join together for varioua phases In the processan ami ttbort-range ooded radio meaaage. Subject began with the keyer which plaoed the ooded text in groups of fiTS nuabers on the tape. Hia procedure for using thepad waa alao reviewed to remind him how to do this without reference to his printed Instructions snd for the purpose of refreshing hia memory aa to the number of additional groups needed with hia enooded message text. ct made the expected fow errora and learned more thoroughly when corrected. Although hs understands the procedure well, not only la actual practice neoeaaary and desirable but when he does receive the instruments, they will of course be completely described aa will their use and functions ln his printed instructions. At this point the Important thing is that subjeot likes this devloe and feels that it willery vital purpose In affording secure two-way coc rami cat ion should all other means hs denied hy oircunstanoes ln ths future).
After tha demonstration, although it "as alreadyours, subjoot aaid that be would like to olear up ooms of the quest ions we had prepared for him so it was decided to cover two sets of questions dealing withnd ODIHTSOV'a artiolea.
Throughoutrtlole oortaln general military terms
ware used whioh refer to sixes of unite. ave them all listed and will read them to you alowly. For each of theae, after you hav* defined thea, we would like to know which speolfio site unit each term oould applyill read those off alao. For example here are the general terms! Zvsno; gruppirovka; ob'edlnenlye; eoyeilnaniye; chast*; and pcdresdeleniye. These ere standard Soviet military terms. St That is
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abeolutely right. Bow tho point lo, exactly to which of the following does each tens apply ana to what does It notivio ion; brigade; front; willtary diet riot; an amy T
nooratand, lot as take thea ln order. Vhat waa tha first
one f Zvwno. Tha avenoulepeolfio tern ia uaed in aviation. Itmall unit of aviationlanea). Tho conceptveno oan be thatinkhain. It could be also usedontext like thi si in tooting roeketa at the teohnlcal altoertain category of assemblies are checked the Coemander may aay "There are many errors In this eve no". Does it apply to infantry 1 &i No. but you ean say saw thing like thla, that the signal rveno of an Infantry unit la not adequate. In short theae are general termsery small portion of equipment or personnel and ths only specific meaning is that used in next la gruppixovks, Thiaery wide concept. It oouldrouping of types of combat arms such aa Infantry with tanks and possibly with aviation. Theae oould be referred to in connection with tbe grouping of foroespecific sector of the front lines orpeolfio direction. Itargo group usually andst not only of division a, but oven oould Include armies. In fact it la rare to aay thereruppirovka of division!. That would already he aninen lye. The gruppirovka Is generally larger and ita meaning la directed to tho footumber of coal at eras are Involved.
25* Bowb"edlnsniye 7 Thatpecif io grcupmentingle type of oombat era, forigher oommander may putpeolfio number of artillery units into ene How eo youoyedineniye 7 In the Soviet Army when one takea speolfio organic units suchattalionegimentivision and when any combination of theae are put togetherarticular taotioal purpose this laoyedineniye. Tho soyedineniye, like the gruppirovka, also involves putting together various types of oombat arms, hut it isnail oompoalto unit as compared with -
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O.i How about cheat' ? Thlapoclfio organlo unit of an/ category. It oouldegimentattalion. It could alao be an aviation squadron. In otbar worts lt la any unit, generallywhioh haa ita own fixed table of organisation. Tea. That ia right.
g.i cdrasdelenlye ? That ie anyf organisation sub-unit of which tba unit Itself la ocesposed. For exaxtple, tbe company
ub-unit of ths battalion. latoonub-unitompany. It applies to any type of troops.
The next question also inrticle oontext lanamed roeketa aaOO, which are offrooi academy uaage. Have you heard of these before and areor cover designations ? These are all oover naaes but fortypes of rockets. ave you the index designations for all thestudied at the Aoademy oxoept ths Krylatkaas not able to gatthese are all new rockets he refsra to. Vhen are suchthese used T Those oover designations oan bo used in Top Seoret
art idea auch aa ths type hs wrote. In lower olaaalficatlono this would not be permitted, they would simply statehatever It might be. h. I In the artillery Journal, which la still Top Secret, they did use theesignation. Afterop Secret document ean certainly refer to sate rialsower olaaalfloation, but not ths other way round. Even at ths Aoademy ws were categorically forbidden at examinations or during lwotursa tc refer to the word The wordanufacturedas used.
The article also speaks of tho reductions in timea missile for launching. It said ths missile preparation was
reours toinutes. The data preparation was reduced fromrinutes and ths geodotio tie-in time ra quired waa reduced froa 2i. hours to betweenours, First Of all It atUl takes
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cor. si Arable tlae, some tlae* days, not only hours to oheok ths rocket et Its technical testing site prior to being no red to the launching site. Thle etill re seine as it aaa and all of theee procedure* at the technical aite whloh Include the first, eeoond, third seating oategories etc. etill take ooneldarable tlae. But what tbe article refers to ia that when the adsalle is brought up to the launching site, there they hare worked out procedures which save considerable tine. The preparation aeane that the final oheoking of tha rooket aust be nede with the rocket already mounted on the launching pad. The data is obtained much faster now fron the geodetlo calculations in tying in the location of the target ln respect to the rooket. And the inclusion of the necessary data into th* various oollinetore end aiming device* to direct the rocket to lte target, must alao be done. Thle is too part of the miasile preparation. The data preparation meana working out the geodetlo data Into the numerical value* by whloh the rooket mechanisms will be set to direct it at lte target. Thle total tine at the launching pad Itself beginning from the moment the rocket la brought up until the launch button le preaaed, has been considerably reduced from hours to minutes. The actual geodetlo oomputatlon which prcducea the required data in the past bad taken seTerel days,entioned from VABEKT93V'e remexka to CKUTKOV, but now they have reduced thia time, not only by having greater experience, but by having oonputed second and third order triangulation co-ordinates from the flrat order triangulation co-ordinatee. Of eouree when you mentionours, this etill depends upon what type of rocket you are talking about. There are etill large rocket* which require several days of computation to tie them ln to new sites. Oan you explain by what means they were able to accomplish this ? That is very eimple. It is the result of continuous training end they were able to work out computation* faster and faster. In addition to training better mape have been produced of the areasthe launching sites are to be used, eo that more accurate and festerdata of the rocket site with reapeot to the ground, oould be made. In addition to thia there have been improvementin opt load, inatrumenta.
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C.i When Sergsl Sergalaviah wrote thle article he referred to recent ezeroisea and war anmae. Do you know whloh exorcises, or menoeurrea he referred to 7 S. i In the first place at ell lasjor manoeuvrea there are reprasentatlTee from every committee and from the headquarters of every combat arm. whenever rockets are used ln conjunction vith theee exercises everyone conoerned with rockets frca whatever viewpoint writes up auararles end oonelusione of their own. m sure that VARENTSOVumber of exorcises and the reports thereon to form hia own overall conclusions. Manoeuvres varying In else ore going on frequently in one place or another and ell rooket employment is very carefully written up end analysed, eo although tbe manoeuvres vera no doubt recent that he referredelieve that he must have used the composite dataumber of manoeuvres.
G.i Oen you define the following terms as applied to missnd combat actionstrategic, operational aad tactical 7 ti In the flrat place vhen youront operation, the strategic objectives end operational objectives would be examined together and at one time. However, the ooomanda whloh oontrol theee weapons will be different. MOSXALENXO for example vould oontrol the firing of strategic rocketa, but KONEV the Cooraender of the Front, though heot oommand these rocketa, be vould knov thattrateglo range MCSKALENXD plane to launch any six rockets. The Operational rockets vould be under the oontrol of the Front Commander. The tactical rooks ts would also be under the Front commander, except that he vould sub-ellooate them to lover echelons. The confusing concept is to differentiate between the rangea et vhlch the stratand operational rockets are used. Tone it is perfectly clear. o not understand hov lt oen be confusing. Take all three types
of rockets assigned for use in one direction, let us use for en exampleGermany. KONEV, the Front Commander would know that MOSKALENKD will lay down fires by rockets up to eay La Menche. He vill know how many rockete and the time of launching, but of course KONEV will not oommand theee rocket forces. Let us assume VARENTSOV vlll be assigned as the tactical
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rcokot chief of thin front ond XDREV wUl toll him to flro upepth ofgainst targets Im tha operational roar of tha enemy. Shorter range tactical roeketa would fire aay upange0 kma. And thaae firea would all be co-ordinatedocnand and VAKEOTSOVs headquarter*. But what are th* range* for theae tactical and operational roeketa 7 , at what point doe* on* category of rooket* terminate it* rangs oapabilltiss for th* other category to take ever from there. ma to be an overlap in tho range a. S. t ee. Veil, let ua aay then that th* tacticalor. (freend heavy artillary opet range*m*. The operational rooket* would operate fromms.nd even beyond that. And anything beyond tbat would be strategic weapon*. For atrateglo rockets we must Include types such aafcang*0S and also inolude mi aa lies launched into *paoe. KHRUSHCHEVlanning to use spaoe roeketa. Of course the overall control would always be centralised right up on the Central Committee level. They will determine what yieldso ado warheads will be 'delivered by what rooketa, even down to the tactical roeketa.
33. How, referring to ODIKTSOVa artlols. Tou.mean tho article on the rear areas ? Tee. He referredi sail* troop exercise called "DOR". Do you know where thla waa held snd when ? Thla was an internal exercise in one Of the internal military districtso not know exactly which on* but itd in myong tine ago. hink moreear ago. I'm glad you mentioned hlaavo Just remembered that under hi* editorial guidance thay are now publishing four separate section* of manual* on rocket* to be used aa text* for study at tho Academy. Everythingncluded in these manuals that la taught at the five facultiea. The manuals were written by the collective effort* of speoialiete and Instructors, Therelready on* manual published which i* Top Secretery limited distribution for study of rocket* at th* Aoademy,
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All sub-division* ar* thera beginning with the achesmtio oexposition of tho rookotj ell checks and teata roqulrod, all equipment needed for thla, etc. In abort all the material which wo had atudiad from aeparate lectures and study hare now been Incorporated In thla manual. Iwill be bunting for these four sections.
3*. ODIHTSOT ln this artlolehat each rocket installation ahould have the following number of missileswo-day oombat operation, ror tacticallaaUea at each installation; for troopa anti-air installations (voyokovaya senitnaya)laatlee at each installation and for Army troopaoyakoveyalaalles at oaoh Installation. Vhat are the last two categories ofaad how does the last differ froa the All of theae values are unlta of fire (boyevoy kcssplakt). At oneave you values of this type and the same value exactly for the antl-alr Installation. And now in this artlole the inference is that this ma all checked, tested and adopted. The last category, namely the Voyakovaya armeyakaya includes without exception. installations and ln addition would havo short trange guided missiles. For example such aaho difference betveen thle category and the first one laatter of range, all the short-range missiles will be in tho latter category, butillot more of the guided missilos in theaktioheskikhreater range is ra quired. Thus far. in tho Soviet Army is restricted to shorter ranges, hut if in the futuro nev fuel developments are made, particularly using solid foals, than. erolpaeat may be also used for operational ranges.
35. In the rear area support of missile unitsront, vhatParkovyy Division" (Motor Pool Battalion). Ia it only tho vehicles for movingr doss it have other functions ? This ia exclusively the transport equipment for movingothing else, Tou snst hav* figured out th* designation of theold you about vho works in th* large artillery base near MOZHAISK, ent you his
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cha-aoteriatlos, hit nn la Tevganly. Tha sub-unit which he ooennads, which la abbreviated aa the PKP, or rather FKTat that ia the tranaportation eervica of thia Telkla (cycle, meaning within the artillery basehia includes tranaportation by rail ainco rail linos run into the base aaas actor transport. aa thinking about thisavo failed up tc now to givennual of military abbreviations. aa thinking of thiaust suctioned beoauas you nay have had trouble breaking it down,id not spell it out for you. ill be sure toyou thia manual of abbrevlatlona beoauee it will be much easier for you to figure thlnge out.
We'll atop with this quest ion now, beoauae we went to work
up more reference questions and we want to save the onee we have already for later ar-rtings. Few we will plan for Thursday, beoauee that will be aa Important day. What do ycu propose to do ? In tbe morning you are expo otelephone call from ROOK. He ahould call ma shortly0 hoursill try to arrange vith him to meet aa aeon as poasible, beoaueeoot vithny have to report something or other to the Embassy. o not expeot to take any out-of-town tripe thia week. If hebort visit for Friday somewhere in PARIS or the suburban area,ill go visit that place on Friday togetherTEV, If not, then I'll go visit whatever he has set up for me next If you go out of town with SOIOVTEV by oar and particularly in the outakirta of PARIS, be very oaroful about taking photographs beoaueeSoviet vehicles ere well known, you willurveillance oar in very oloee pursuit. on't think I'll take any photographs. That ia not ao important. ould pick up acme brochuree or other types of documents, that would be much more important. anarners at the Embassy at enoe,aven't asked for it. If HOOK oould get ne eome plaoee to visit end some brochuree regarding electronics, that would be ideal. Thenould find eoaaould introduce SOLOVTEVould oonaider aysalons to be fulfilled. How about this man with the Russian name t We decided to drop bin oaexaletely, it ves too risky. I
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thlnk you are rightven had an experience at the Exhibitionoeelble prtrrooaticru uaaien Bpeaking Prenohman eaid that heoaped froa Siberia5 and waa born in RIGA and wondered if he would beourist Ties nov snd aot be jailed again if herip to the USSR. eferred hia to the Consulate and vhen the nan invited neestaurant to dieouaa thlead no tine. Thle oould haverovocation.
I Of what help oould ve be to you concerning your Itinerary
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to you. Since you cannot arrange thle es you did ln England and you have to expose youraelvea to the Prench Counter Intelligence ln order to rake euoh an arrengeaent here, it ie better to drop it. If SOLOVYEVappen toilitary air base we oan vriteeport thereon on the basis of
vieual observation. eed aome material from England yet, eapeolally onof allltary industrialeported to you ebout eoan
give acne anteo CHEREDETEV to aend home via GRU channels. Both heould get credit for thle at GRU. Materials of leaser value we will send to tbe Coondttee. et to MOSCOW end deliver the presents to SEROV andid accomplish somethingould ask SEROV himself, or ROGOV toSHIAHI and thank bia for sponsoring my trip sinoe lt benefited GRU. At the samelll bring presents tosnd others ln the Committee and they vlll all be inclined to eend me off cn another foreign trip in three or four months. efinitely vill net so abroad again during the re at ill even attempt nov to vork to GTISHIAKI and SEROV to seeanisa to the United States.
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If the Americans giveies, then our KGB will not have an ergument against asa known to the teat as en intelligence officer end spotted. mit now beoauee aa time goee on and it la already the 2ndo not have any valuable a* tet hand yet, but particularly in connection with thia long Hat of target itemseported to you on. All this nay develop favourably after you meet
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HOOK. That ia,when wo will review the whole situation and see whatdone. ave them the document on theort favourable reaction, they were delighted with Suppose BOCK woulden to go with you on tripe,
how would this affect your situaticn with respect to planning to-go with SOLOVYEV. wbuld you all go together 7 In the first plaoe BOOK ahould not go with ns anywhere, Just make the arrangementa. If hoan, that is fine but the man ahould not go with us, he ahould go in hie own corill go separately with SOLOVYEV in our Soviet car and neet tho men wherever he Bays. ould go alone with the man in hie carhort ride In PARIS or the outskirts of PARIS without SOLOVYEV, that would be all right, hutongerould go alone with SOLOVYEV and meet the man ot tho faotory site, and on eeoond thoughts, may be SOLOVYEVillamera along. At any rate, please try to provide something of value for msams book from LONDON twioo with aomething good and this time lnave nothing to bring book.
0.1 Tell me specifically what would be the best assistance you could get froasswsBw ? lready toldaidould like to have scats brochures on something like Nimonlca and other heat resistant steels. Other than that ho ahould arrange for me to go to certain faotorlea and simply give me the address and appointment times and the name of them to meet. ill plok up anyan from such contacts, hut HOOK should also try toroup of brochures for me. an legend tha acquisition of these very easily. Of oourse, whenever SOLOVYEV goes with you, your legend will be rent rioted to exactly that whioh SOLOVYEV also knows. bsolutely right,an meetlone orhcrt trip alone and thnt is none of the Embassy's business. Although they treat me very well and have complete trust in me. SOLOVYEV speaks no English at all, only French. ould like you to do one thing when you apeak tosjasmn, even more particularly to any
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Frsnchann you Bay meet, take it easy and don't pros5 too hard. That's right,ill not introduce ROOK to anyone, not even to SOLOVYEV, he will resale, wgr own aoquaintanoa ezoluaively, J. i Would you goccQB if he invited you 7 Alone 7 With the greatest of pleasure. (Subjeot weeumber of books,atalogue by ARMCOery fine Trench business firm directory for all major industries in France. Subjeot was IsBpressed by tho latter book, but kept stressing that the nature of brochures that ho desires would be ln the category of restricted or documentary type brochures similar to that we previously gave him on
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Ms Subject then described further how everyone ln ths Soviet Onion at overy level of officialdom was an absolute grafter and has his hand out to receive bribes and gifts. Subjeot enquired as tc the status of our having acquired some of the numerous gifts which hs planned to bring baok and was shown the rare wines7 vintage and other items. Re then was trying to reoonoilo the also of the many Items already acquired, such aa hla candelabra and hia framed picture of the aea, which would not fit ln any normal suitcase. C. suggested taking ths frame apart, but subjeot was reluctant to do it, and though the moot practical way of bringing lt ln would bo simply tc wrap lt in paper and carry it aboard the plane (Western plane) and get it to MOSCOW that way, for some reaaon subjeot waa reluctant to do this. In order that subjeot could contact ua by phono if he wero to be free on Wednesday eveningre-arranged enUrtainmsntady it was arranged that subjeot cell the oafo house just prior0 hours on Tuesday and say in English that ho la feeling sell or not well in ease he la going to be tied up. oursotober, subjeot oalled and stated that he was foaling fine. Tho piece for the roDdes-vous would be ahown to subject while an route to being takes heme from the meeting, Tbe meeting fcr Hrorsdey was est for the same new BV point whioh worked very well and again the time would hs0
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ubjeot left0 houra ana ves dri von by Roger together with J. andEn route the RV point for his Wednesday night appointment0 houra, ln tha event that he ahould ba free, vaa above to him. Ba vaa delivered to the general neighbourhood of hin hotel without incident).
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