Mr r1 Thank you. Mr Chairman
Today, ih* subcommittee cc readers an interesting and timelyha capability of Iraq to produce nuclear wsspoao Tha United States haaonsistent policy opposing tha spread of nuclear weapona That policy haa baan surprisingly effective.
Wliereaa commentator* in thaa lede re mightember* of the nuclear clubn fact, (her* are only five nations with eiplicit nuclear weapona programs
The nonproliferation effort of tha United Statea ia two-pronged: Firat. it seeks to convince nation* not to seek to develop nuclearsecond, it aeeka to deny technology end materials to those natrons that do pursue nuclear weapons, in spite of our beat efforts lo convince them not to Haw that second prong of the nuclear non-proliferation effort waa puraued in tha caae of Iraq ia what we will nmsider today
are fortunate to have representatives of the DefenseAgency and Central Intelligence Agency to better inform ua about the Iraqi nuclear weapon* effort both aa it etastedhat happened to it during Operation Deeert Storm, and what ia ita present atate.
We would welcome our gueata from the intelligence community, and look forward to their testimony
Much of todaytestimony will center on actions that took placerthin the Department af Energy in April and Maywithin the Office of Classification and Technology Policya recommendation to tha Deputy Assistant Secretary foe Defense Program* that Energy Secretary Wstkina call James linker and inform the National Security Council level working group to address the problem of the Irani nuclear weapona effort.
The Office of Intelligence, however, did not agree wilh the rec-ommendalion. and the Deputy Aaaiatant Secretary and tha Acting Assistant Secretary for Defense Programs decided againal sending Ihe recommendation to the Secretary
We will consider the wisdom of that judgment today
My only caution in approaching that topic ia w* not judge actions taken9 by what wa know now about Iraq. In April andraq had not invaded Kuwait, and the threat posed by Iraq waa not aa clear aa it becams on August0
N evertss, we expect both the Intelligence Community and tha Department of Energy to be alert to capabilities as well aa lo intentions, and today's hearing offers ua an opportunity lo aaaeaa how well that challenge waa met
Thank you, Mr. Chairman
Mr Ding km. Dr. Rowland'
Mr Rowland No statement. Mr Chairman.
Mr Dinoiii Mr Sikorshi?
Mr Stauaaai No. thank you. Mr. Chairman
Mr Diworll The Chair announce* that the first panel is Dr John T.hief. Nuclear Energy Division. DefenseAgency, and (deleted^ Central Intelligence Agency
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Obviously, gentleman, you are aware that thislosedand that tha Other persona present in the room, aa well as the staff of the subcommittee have the necessary clearances
You ire aware of tha fact that it is tha practice that allreceived in this subcommittee is receivsd under oath, and it is. that being tbe case, your right to be advised by counsel should you so choose
Tha firat question is. do you desire to be advised by counsel during your appearance hare? Mr. Kaim. No. Mr. Chairmano, Mr Chairman.
Mr. DtNOELL. Tha second question in. do you have any objection to testifying under oath? Mr Kaivsi No. sir.o. sir.
Mr Dinubll. Very well. Gentleman, tha Chair advises lhat CO piss of the rules of tha committee and subcommittee are there at tho witness table, lo advise you of your rights and limitation* on the power of the committee.
If you have no objection, then, to testifying under onth, if you would please riseaise your right hand.
(Witnesses sworn.)
Mr. Dueccu. Tha Chair understands you ar* hare to assist the com mil ta*umber ofirst by briefing ua on the matter* which we inquired on. and second, to respond to questions So. we will recognise you at this lima to conduct whatever activities you deem sppropriate at this time
TESTIMONY OF JOHN T. KRIESE. CHIEF. NUCIJEAR ENERGYDEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: AND |DELETEDLINTELLIGENCE AGENCY
Mr Kbibbb- Good morning. Mr Chairman,m John Krisse, Chief of tha Nuclear Energy Division. and wilh me ist Central Intelligence Agency. (Deleted |
Mr Dinobxl. W* will respect that
Mr.hould also mentionecond hat aa Chairman of the Joint Atomic Energy Intelligence Committee, or JAEIC Tha JAEIC ia an interagency body chsrged with advising the Director of Central Intelligence on the production ofon all foreign atomic energy issues and promoting the sffec-uve us* of Community resource* [Deleted) ia my Chairman of the JAEICs proliferation working group.
Mv in lent ion ia to describe our intelligence aaseasmenta of the Iraq nuclear program, focusing on two time periods,w0 timeframe, and then on tha Desert Storm/Desert Shield period
My presentation will ba at tb* Secret.TVL levelill not discuss compartmentad intelligence information. Thisill not he able to provide certain details today,hink the assessment at the Secret level ta an accurate one and
givesicture of Intelligence Community views of the Iraqi
program. (Deleted.)
ould like to generally characterize the nature of the intelligence we have on the Iraqi program.
(Deleted.)
Sir. that concludes my prepared briefing Mr. Dinckll. Thank you. Dr. Kriese. (Deleted] do you have any comments to add?ave no prepared statement. Mr. Chairman. Mr. DinceU- Very well.
The Chair will recognize himself for questions. The Chair will recoKnize Membersinutes each in accordance with the rules of the committee.
The Chair does advise that because of the character of thematter Into which we are going today, matters which involve Secret and highly classified information, the microphones have been turned off in the committee room.
Tho Chair recognizee himself.
Gentlemen. Dr. Kriese. what is the National Intelligenceor NIE?
Mr. Kribsi Sir, the NIE,ould characterize it.eryintelligenceocument where topics are identi-Tied either within tne Intelligence Community or by customer* The document is produced under the National Intelligence Council where there are National Intelligence Officers assigned to specific topics.
Some of these NIEs are regularly scheduled. For example, the National Intelligence Estimate on the Soviet strategic cspabilities is publishedegular basis. Other documents are publishedne-time basis
They are prepared by analysts, coordinated extensivelythe Community, snd then discussed by members of theForeign Intelligence Board chaired by the Director of Centraland then published.
Mr. Din on u, What agencies provtdod input to the NIE?
Mr. Kriesr That depends on the topics when it comes toof who actually preps res the document. But all members of the National Foreign Intelligence Board comment on the document nnd have the chance to input their own viewsarticular
(Deleted.)
Mr.ery well.
The Chair thanks you very much for your assistance, gentlemen The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Virginia. Mr. Bliley. Mr. Bulky. Thank you, Mr Chairman. (Deleted.)
Mr Krikbk. Yes, sir. that is correct.
Mr. Bulky. Is it common for the members of the Intelligence Community not to agree with ths contents of an NIE and totheir disagreementootnote?
Mr. Krirsk. lam notould be knowledgeable enough of
il' T ha * m familiar with, footnotes are not unusual in assessments of the Soviet strategic program at least.
Mr. Buley. In general, what do the other members of theCommunity, such as ths DIA or CIA expect from DOE's Office of Intelligence givan the relBtivo size of DOE's Office of In-telligence versus CIA or DIA?
Mr. Kriese DOE isember of ths National Foreign Intelligence Board and sits at the table with other Intelligence Communityhink the contributions we look for from DOE focus mostly on the technical expertise that are resident in the laboratories of the DOE system.
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Mr. Dun> Thank you. Dr. Kriese. Thsnk you. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Dinobix. The Chair thanks the gentleman The Chair recognizes now the gentleman from Georgia. Dr. Row-land
Mr. Rowland. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. (Deleted.)
Mr. Rowland. What was the significance of the US. and British Customs sting at Heathrow in0 involving seizing ofbound for Baghdad?
Mr. Kricti Sir. in my opinion (deleted).
Mr. Rowland. What do you mean when you tell thestaff that you were looking for part* that would have tight specifications?
Mr Kruoul (Deleted)
Mr. Rowland. (Deleted.)
Mr. Kriisi. [Deleted.)
Mr Rowland. (Deleted) "tight specifications" make it difficult to explain awsy?
Mr. Kriksr. (Deleted.|
Mr. Rowland. That is principally the purpose, (deleted!
Mr Kriese Right.
Mr. Rowland. Thank you.
Mr. Dingbu- The lime of the gentleman hus expired.
The gentleman from Minnesota. Mr.the Chair apologizes. Ha has left
Ths Chair recognizes then the gentleman from Kansas. Mr. Slat-tery.
Mr Slattxry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman
Dr.m curiouB, has the Energy Department contacted the DIA since Aprilhen we told the Department that you were going to be testifying hare?
Mr. Kriese. Yes.-
Mr. Slattxry. Can you tell us who from the DOE contacted you7
Mr. Kbiese Theemember include Mr. Walsh, Mr
Mr. Slattrsiy. Walsh. Daniel and who?
Mr. Kriesr Mr. Tuck.
Mr. Slattrry. Okay.
Mr. Krirsb Mr Nelson, Mr Martin. There have been several
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Scatterv. Have you or anyone at DIA briefed th* folk* overDOE in th* laat week or ao on what ia going on in Iraq?
Mr Kairai Yes.ant om and spoke with Mr. Tuck about theas going to maka today. Mr Slattbry. And Tuck waa tha only one your KaiKSC No, air, there were several others in tha room Mr. Scattert What was Tuck's reaction to your brwfing1 Mr Krirrk. Ms appreciated knowing in advancentended to say to th* committee. Mr. Din..hi. He what?
Mr. Kbiksk Me appreciated knowing in advanceas going to brief to the committee
Mr.ould like for you to characterise if you can for the panel the kind of cooperation you have historically received from DOE and your own professional assessment of theirin this whole area-Mr Kaitsi Sir. the JAEJC, Joint Atomic En*rg> Intelligence Committee, is set up by the DCI to ensure there is good com muni cation within the Intelligence Community, ao the JAEIC meetsonth to discuss items relative to nuclear intelligence.
Inave set up approximately eight working groupsthe one that (deleted) addressing specific topics likenuclear weapons logistics, el cetera Those generally meetonth basis providing analysts an opportunity toview* and to conduct peer review
Mr Scattrry Let me askifferent way In Ihe past, do you believe that the folks involved with the DOE and others for that matter involving the joint committee, have they been vigorous in nonproliferation efforts, or Is this an item thst Is low on thelist'
Mr.ould say it is at the top of our priority list tied with several others, but. for example, the JAEIC has publishedpapers during the past yearould aay the majority of those are on proliferation topics because of the high degree ofin proliferation
Mr Scattshv (Deleted |
Mr Dinoru, Would the gentleman yield?
Mr Slattkrv Be happy to.
Mr Dimqiu, Have you discerned any fight or change orin the Iraqi determination to moveossessionuclear weapons system or systems'*
ince the war*
Mr Dinoru, Since the war.
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Mrommon sense would dictate that their enthusiasm has increased if anything since the war. would iteleted.)
Mr Dinoru. Thank you
Mr Scatttst Some of us have become very concerned aboutbetween the Department of Defense and theof Commerce prior to0 especially with regardsort of high technology,m just curious, from yourha*of Commerce been ssnrrsssses i should not have been exported. and not only you.m cunoua what the Intelligence Community sttitud* was of the activities of the Coram*re* Department in trying to license for export various high-technology items?
Mr.hatifficult question for me to answer forThs Defense Intelligence Agency provides aupport to ISA and th* Defense Technology Securityave those names right
Mr Slattrry You srs both involved in ths IntelligenceI can't help but think if you are as committed to nonissues as you say you srsave no reason to doubt yourkinds of discussions would com* up in your meetings.
1 am curious, have they or have they not?
Mr.o, in general, we do not discuss Administration policy, rather, we provide information for our customers, including in my case the Department of Defense, so they are aware of in this case proliferation programs
Ws advise them on specific requests for licenses, for export, et cetera But we have not been involved in discussions of what policy should be
Mr. SlaTTRRy. Let me ask theifferent way. Has anyone over at your meetings raised questions and concerns shout the Department of Commerce's efforts to license for export high-technology items that someone at your meetings might have hied concern about'
Mrantny. no. sir.
Mr Scattrrt So, from your standpoint, then, the Department of Commerce's activities prior tohere were never sny obiectione rsieed about what they were doing?
Mr. Kriese. Not to my knowledge.
Mr. StATTKRY. Does thessume, take an active role in your meetings?
Mr Krirsk Yea, air
Mr Slattrry. Would it not be likely, or would you not expect them to raise queaBJona, if thsnr hadbout what theof Commerce was doing in their licensing activity to raise those questions St your meeting Would thstogical forum for them to raise questions shout what Commerce was doing?
Mr,ore logical forum would be anothercommittee celled the Technology Transfer Intelligence Committee, which sgsin. whereas JAEIC focuses on nuclearTechnology Transfer Intelligence Committee focuses on export of materials and attempts by other countries to acquiremeleriale-
Thal would be th* mors logical placeubject
Mr. Slattrry. My time Is up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Dinoiu. The gentleman from Oregon, Mr. Wyden Mr. Wmif. Thank you, Mr. Chairman
ouple questions,ould. Drm under thethat you told tha subcommittee staff, when youthat the DIA. and in fact tbe Intelligence Community inlisten* verv ntrefult* to whet th*as
Could youittle bit on why thia ia the case?
Mr. Krivje. The Nations capability in nuclear weapona design resides within tha national laboratories, so they are really the only ones in the Nation that are in an authoritative position to speak on nuclear weapona design issues
Mr. WrmtN. They obviously have an important role in nonprolif-eration. do they not?
Mr. Kriesk. They hsve an important role in assessinglhathink, the role of the Intelligencein acquiring and evaluating intelligence issues.
Mr. Wtdsn. Do they have an important role then in nonprolif eration'
Mr Kmen Yea, sir.
Mr. Wydicn. Dr. Krieee, if the Department of Energy, bsckad told the Intelligence Community that, based on DOE'S analysis and judgment, [deleted}.
Mr. KriuS-ertainly would have aaked them to explain the basis for their judgment, and that would haveopic for extensive discussion within the community.
Mr. Wvdin. Okay.
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Mr.aa not present during the NFIB deliberations for the Nations) Intelligence Estimate, but in other casesave been present, people with alternative views present their evidence, and the rationale for their judgments, projecting alternative views, and have an opportunity to dissuade the principal text people to change their mind, (deleted)
Mr. Wydeh. So, it certainly ia possible that DOE concerns could have resulted in (deleted).
Mr.uessm trying to aay iselieve that in the deliberations about the National Intelligence Estimateeveryone at the table was aware of Department of Energy (deteledl
Mr Wyokn.nderstandust wont to know that DOE
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Mr. Kama. It certainly could have.
Mr. Wvdrn. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Mr Chairman.
iM.ri.i. The Chair thanks Ihe gentleman.
The gentleman from New York. Mr. Lent
Mr. Lint. Thank you, Mr. Chairman
I apologize for getting in here kind of late. Dr Krieae isn't it true thst inhe Intelligence Community knew that
On the bottom of the document, you willlassifiedPrograms comment that stales, in essence,ave youhance to look at that? Mr. Kaiea* Yes, sir. to scan it, yes, sir Mr. Lrht. [Deleted]
Mr. Kriisk Scanning thia, certainly the first part about
V IJPT, I t"m> "nnrhne
i #' a v. at the background and discussions section of this draftto Secretary Watkins.
ook atnd then alsohen you havehance to look at that, give me the high sign.m going to ask you is, whether you agree or disagree with the characterization of Ihe Iraqi nuclear weapons program contained in that draft
If you don't agree, let ua know why, and if you do agree, fine.
Mr. Kjubsk In terms of the first bullet on tha first page, where it says, "recent evidence"m not sure what evidence Ihey are referring to,ould probably aay [deleted].
The neat bullet that talks about procurement apecificationsknowledge of weapona design (deleted],
I would try lo,ere writing this, try to quantify it
[Deleted.]
Mr. Lint. Are you saying that possibly you feel the draft(deleted).
Mr Kjiibmhink (deleted].
Mr. Lent. Now. will you go to th* second page?
Mr. Kbies* Again, [deleted]m not positive what they are referringould mnke the same general comments [deleted) bullet under background discussion is.
Mr. Lent. Let's see, one component is (he same na used. nuclear wespons. You don't know what that component would be?
Mr.ot specifically, no, sir.
. Could it haveapacitor?
Mr. KaiBsx. It could haveapacitor
Mr. Lent. Referring now to the next bullet, "procurementfor nonnuclear componenta. indicate detailed knowledge of designs for weapona assembly."
My question ia whether you agree with that statement.
Mr. Kricbxo not agree with that statement
Mr.nd looking at the next couple of bullets, do you have any feelings about either of those [deleted).
Mr Kbibsr. To dismiss the last one.hink they were attempting to procure items wherever they might be available,the United Statea and other places in the world. [Deleted. 1
Mr. Lknt.
Doe* tha CIA agree with Dr. Krieae?
(Deleted]
Mr. Lknt. Okay.
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Mr. Law. Now. tho three national laboratories providedexpertise in nuclear weapons matters. Could you comment. Doctor, on the Intelligence Community* relationship with those laboratories, and how technically capable you believe their services to be?
Mrhink they are very technically cspable. In terms of ths relationships, they are occurring two wsrr One ia lo theirto the Department of Energy, and backing up DOEe sssess-ment within the Intelligence Community (deleted).
Mr. Lint. Now. DOEember of euch intelligence organiia-tiona as the National Foreign Intelligence Board, and the Joint Atomic Energy Intelligence Committee. How do you view DOE's participation in those organizations as compared with the other members of the committees?
Mr. Kbiesz. Everyone at the tableote in the final product Within communityould characterize DOE as being one of the smaller agencies in terms of the resources they have available to them.
(Deleted]
Mr. Lent. Is it fair to aay thst you viewed DOE'a function as msinly analytical" Mr Kbibsb. Yes,
Mr. Dingbu, Would the gentleman yield? Mr.ould be happy to.
Mr. Dingbu, For ons question. What is the number of personnel thst DOE has around the world to review these same questions thst Mr. Lent is discussing in his question with you? Do they have any significant number of personnel scattered around the world to engage in intelligence activities in the same way that CIA or DIA or any other agency haa?
{Deleted] in the sense that DIA has (deleted] tasked to collectsnd CIA has individuals specifically tasked to collecton't believe DOE has tne same kind of responsibility
Mr. Dinc.ru, They do not hsve that responsibility?
Mr Kbibsb. In my view, yea, sir.
Mr. Dingbu, Ths Chair thanks the gentleman
Mr. LstNT. Betwsen March andn the customssting that took place inuring that timeframe, did the Iraqis acquire any significant technology to aid their nuclear program?
im trying to
Mr. Lsnt. Wss the Intelligence Community able to identify
Mr Lint. My time ishank the Chairman Mr. Dinohj, The time of the gentleman has expired. The gentleman from Colorado, Mr. Schaefer.r.hank the Chair.
Gentlemen, after the invasion of Kuwait onf last year, thereot of attention paid in the prsss to tho nuclear capability of the Iraqis, and in November-December, the President staled that Iraq was capable ofuclear weapono
onths.
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Mr. SciiAxm The Iraqis had ita reactor* underla thatKbibsk Yea.Schabtkr [DeletedKaiisat WeU
Mr ScnAarn. ft ia difficult probably toreoae lime, but the gentleman from Michiganood question. What are are looking st hare?
Mr Ksites Ituestion, air, that aaa have wrestled withit, because many have asked that question IDelsted)
Mr ScHARrca And that is considering [Deleted.)
Mr Kbiesi Yea, sir.
Mr ScNAirra, Thank you
Mr. Kursk But they could make progress uneipectedly. and we could change that asaessment aa time evolved Mr. IllNtibu. Would the gentleman yield1 Mr SotAirtJL Be happy to yield.
Mr.pologize for intruding on theime. You have been very, very helpful to us. Dr. Krieae {Deleted )
Mr Kribbc.omment"
Mr Dingru- You may comment on it, or (deleted) either of you may respond or both, if you choose.
bibsk Th* issue of concern, and as part of the postwarwe are imposing on Iraq, one of them as that the IAEA will reclaim control of the highly enriched uranium that was within Iran, so the possibility of them diverting it will not esiat.
Mrpologize to the gentleman, but Is it fair to aay that you are also concerned, however, that Iraq is nol coopersting fully in the efforts of the IAEA to recover that enriched uranium, and thai there may be some game playing with regard to ihetypes of weapons, the nuclear, Ihe beo logical, and Ih*weapons that they have reported just the other day?
Is thatatter of concern?
Mrm not prepared to comment on the nonnuclear weapons, air. but yea. the issueery difficultaa, in my answer, trying to agree withnderstood your statement to be. thsl
Mr. Dn+uBu, We don't think they ar* fair tn declaring the amount of nuclear materials that they happen to have, ana that they ar* not declaring either their presence or the amount of thereay which leads us to believe that they are playing fair orthem at all, or making ready to cooperate with us and with the IAEA in terms of turning Ihese materials over so that they loss the cspacity to produce the bomb [deleted].
Mr Kursk [Deleted 1
Mr. Dincjkij. But they are not being cooperative? Mright.
Mr. Dihoiu. If they er* not being cooperative in one placee small reason to assumr that they are being cooperative in
Mr. Ksibsk Thateasonable assumption, yes, air. Mrhank you.
Mr.ust to reclaim my time, what various difficult" do you see in saeessing (deleted!
Mr.ould only snswer in fenersl terms at the seen level, but to characterise it more broadly, the [deleted!
Mr SCMAara Well, howlong haa on Intelligence Community been following the nuclear strategy an technology of Iraq?
How long have they been looking at thai*
Mr. Kkiesk (Deleted )
Mr. SoMAsraa [Delated )
Mr. Kuan. We have been following nuclear programs in Irs since then, yea, sir.
Mr.ield back. Mr. Chairman, the balanceime
Mr Dimgmj- The Chair thanks ihe gentleman. Dr Krieae, you ar* playing downit the concerns that Cf haa expressed to the staff of th* subcommilta*r. Kkikbi. Yea, air.
Mr. DtNOtu- What does that mean to you1 Mr Kbidb (Deleted]
Mr. Djnobu Would it be possible that DOK could have had ii formation on Iraq's weapons development lhat DIA and CIA woul not be aware of, Dr Knese?
Mr.ould say it would be very unlikely, air.
Mr. Dingsu. Why would you say that that would be unlikely
Mr.aca use all of ua recognise the importance of th Iraqi proliferation issue, and because of the class working relslior ships that people in the nuclear Intelligence Community hsv through the JAEIC. and through personal contacts.
Mr. Uini;fu. DOE waa tracking Iraqi weaponsivitiss in
Mr Kbibsk Yea. sir
Mr Dinubix. Did they communicate that lo you?
Mr.hink it waa discussed within the prolileraiin working group* and analyst to analyst, but there was no Harmscation.
Mr. Dinguj- Should there have been formal communication?
hink th* anal vat to-anolyst discussion is an affe. live way for members of tha Community to keep eachormed
Mr IhNGBU- Doesn't necessarily go higher up in the Baste agency if you just communicate analyst lo analyst, nght?
Mr Kkiksi My analysts keep me very well informed of develoi s> -
Mr. Dinokuu Now. the Chair haa no further questions at thi time
The gentleman from New York. Mr.r. Lint. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Th* onlyanted to ask' was, without diecloaing an specific eouros and method, by what machamsms do you gather in telligence information about nuclear proliferation? How do you g
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Mr Krirrk.idn't mean to five that impression at all. Itery formal process in terms of stating requirements, identifying what it is we need to know.
Mr. Lent. Okay, because certainly (deleted]ormal
Mr. Kriese. That is correct.
Mr. Lent. And DOE participates in that formal process. Mr Krirse Yea. sir.
Mrave no further questions, Mr Chairman. Mr Dinukij. The Chair thanks the gentleman The gentleman from Colorado? Mr. Scharter. No questions, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Dingku, (Deleted] Dr. Kriese, the committee thanks you for your assistance to us. We excuse you with the thanks of the
Our staffs will be in touch with you and with other witnesses today with regard to purging the transcript of material and infor-motion which should not be released. As we proceed about theof the committee and as we proceed toward the opening up of the information on Ihe hearings, we will consult with you and we will, of course, respect all the requirements of security as weabout this business.
Gentlemen, we thank you both for your assistance
Mr. Kriesr. Thank you. Mr. Chairman.
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Mr Dingrll. The Chair snnounces thst our neil panel isof Mr. Bryan Siebert. Director. Office of. Department of Energy; Roger K. Heusaer, Deputy Director. Office-of Classification,epartment of Energy: and William A. Emel. Fellow Engineer. Westinghouse Savannah River, Aiken, SC.
Gentlemen, we thank you for being here. If you will be seated at the committee table, we will proceed lo qualify you for your
The Chair advises you that ll is the practice of this subcommittee to receive all testimony under oath. The Chair asks, do any of you have any objection to testifying under oath?
If not. gentlemen, the Chair advises you thst given the fact that you are testifying under oath, it is your right to be advised by counsel as you appear before this committee.
Do any of you desire to be advised by counsel as you sppear before us todsy?
Tho record will indicate that the answer of all three was "no" in each case.
Gentlemen, the Chair advisee you that copies of the rules of the subcommittee and rules of the House and rules of the fullof which this subcommitteeart, are available to you there at the witness table to inform you ot your rights and limitations on the powers of this committee as you sppear before us
Gentlemen, if you have no objection then to testifying under oath, if you will please each rise and raise your right hand.
(The witnesses were sworn )
Mr. DiNGRiJ, You may each consider yourselves lo be under
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The Chair inquires, do you have prepared statements you woul like to present to the committee? Mr. HtueSRR Yes,o. Mr. Disc.ill Do you? Mr. SiKBCRT.o. Mr. KmI do not. sir.
Mr. Dimoru. Very well. W* will proceed. If some thoughto you that you would like to testify to, we would be glad to hes from you, otherwise we will ask you questions axuire.
Very well, Mr. Heusaer. we will recognize you first,iebert, and then Mr. Emel. We appreciate your being here. You may proceed as you wisl
TESTIMONY OK ROGER k. HEV8SER. DEPUTY DIRECTOR.F CLASSIFICATION, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY: A. RRYA SIEBERT.IRECTOR. OFFICEA8SIFICAT10N; AN WILLIAM A. EMEL, FELLOW ENGINEER.ANNAH RIVER CO.
Mr.ould like to summarize my statement, if might.
Mr. Dinorll Without objection, that will be appropriate, an you may proceed in that fashion. We will recognize youun mary snd then we will proceed to insert your full statement in th record
Mr. Hrubbrr. Mr. Chairman endmppeal before your subcommittee in accordance with yourecretary Watkins datedo providearding my nuclear non proliferation responsibilities in my forme position as Deputy Director, Office of Classification ond Technolog Policy. Defense Programs, at ths Department of Energy.
Id addition, and in accordance with your letter to Secretary We< kins ofm providing information to your aubcom mittee regarding my role ineport in9 re. ommending strerigthening of the US. nuclear nonproliferatioi policy with regard to Iraq.
Attached to my statementopy of my biogrsphy for the nut committee's infonnstion.
Prior to the reorganization of Apriln addition to m; present responsibilities for the development andOE-wide policy and procedures for the classification snd contro of sensitive information critical to the nationalad re sponsibility for delineating non proliferation policy and managini programs to control nuclear energy-relattl. exports from tin United Stales in coordination with our allies.
Inreviously directed the developmentrogran to promote the transfer of Defense Programs, funded technology t*. private sector to enhance US. competitiveness.
I was very concerned regarding any possible nuclear weapon-proliferstion endeavors, particularly Iraq, since my former of Ho had the nuclear nonproliteration responsibility. Some of the nation
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