From se9402@artemis.wi.leidenuniv.nl Wed Jul 12 10:43:13 1995 Status: RO Path: uunet!in1.uu.net!bounce-back From: se9402@artemis.wi.leidenuniv.nl (R.Wagenaar) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.south-africa,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.belgium,za.misc,za.net.misc,nlnet.taal Subject: RFD: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:37:39 -0400 Organization: Leiden University, Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science, NL Lines: 303 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <3tuufj$rg6@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:7119 news.groups:158831 soc.culture.south-africa:5722 soc.culture.netherlands:43674 soc.culture.belgium:15774 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans [ English version; See below for the translation in Afrikaans. ] This is a request for discussion (RFD) of the creation of the USENET newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans. It contains suggested group name, one-line description, status and charter. This article is crossposted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.south-africa, soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.netherlands, nlnet.taal, za.misc, and za.net.misc. It's also sent to the mailing lists afrikaans@unseen.aztec.co.za and lowlands-l@u.washington.edu The discussion will take place in the 'NEWS.GROUPS' newsgroup. All follow- up posts should be posted to that group. Initial suggestions for the group, status and charter are given below. These suggestion are subject to change and review as soon as further opinions are provided. Anyone interested in this proposal is encouraged to participate in the discussion. The discussion will continue for 21 days from the date this RFD becomes official. If there is agreement, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be announced. GROUP NAME: ----------- soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans ONE-LINE DESCRIPTION: --------------------- the Afrikaans language and all of its speakers, including those in Namibia STATUS ------ Unmoderated BACKGROUND: ----------- Due to South Africa's and Namibia's recent past, Afrikaans speakers have been isolated from most of the rest of the world in many different ways. One way was the cultural boycotts by numerous governments. In particular, the boycotts by the Dutch and Belgian governments reduced the number of cultural and lingual exchanges between Afrikaans speakers and the Dutch speaking people. Now new multi-cultural governments are in place in South Africa and Namibia, and it has become time to renew these and other ties. For this purpose, as a start, a soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup would be a perfect platform. South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans newsgroup could be an alternative for a soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible than the USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued. Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa. The soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so much as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and serves also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from Namibia. The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big succes, and we expect to reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our intention to make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the proposed group. PROPOSED CHARTER: ----------------- Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa (predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe), although small communities of Afrikaans-speaking people are found in other parts of the world. Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from the interaction between 17th-century Dutch, African languages, Portuguese, Malay and other influences. Although it is a uniquely African language, it is nonetheless classed as a member of the Germanic languages, and is similar to the Dutch language, which is predominantly spoken in the Netherlands and a large part of Belgium. There is a substantial body of Afrikaans literature, and it is used extensively in the written and electronic media. There are a number of tertiary educational institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans is the medium of instruction. In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour, creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be 'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans. The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans language all information and discussion about speakers of the Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions about social, cultural, political, economical, historical, geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other, related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern African region are welcome in this newsgroup. Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the Afrikaans language. RULES: ------ Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup, so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged. Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them whenever posting articles. LANGUAGES: ---------- Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans), Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information with the largest possible audience. DISCUSSION PLACE: ----------------- The discussion will take place in news.groups, a Usenet news group. All comments regarding this proposal should be posted in news.groups (note the Followup-To line at the beginning of your message). DISCUSSION PERIOD: ------------------ The discussion period will last for 21 days, starting from the moment this RFD becomes official. If there is agreement, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be announced, which will last for another 21 to 31 days. THIS RFD IS INITIATED BY: ------------------------- Robert Wagenaar st904898@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl --------------------------------------------------------------------- VERSOEK VIR BESPREKING: SOC.CULTURE.SOUTH-AFRICA.AFRIKAANS ----------------------------------------------------------- (In hierdie dokument dui die " -karakter voor 'n letter 'n deelteken aan (bv. "e), en die ^ -karakter voor 'n letter dui sirkumfleks aan (bv. ^e)). VERSOEK VIR BESPREKING ---------------------- Hierdie is 'n Versoek vir Bespreking (VVB) (oftewel "Request for Discussion" - RFD) vir die skepping van die USENET Nuusgroep soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans. Dit bevat 'n voorgestelde groepnaam, enkelre"el beskrywing, status en handves. Hierdie artikel sal ook aan news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.culture.african, soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.netherlands, nlnet.taal, za.misc en za.net.misc gepos word. Hierdie artikel sal ook gestuur word aan die poslyste afrikaans@unseen.aztec.co.za en lowlands-l@u.washington.edu. Die bespreking sal in die NEWS.GROUPS nuusgroep plaasvind. Alle opvolgbesprekings hoort na hierdie groep gepos te word. Aanvanklike voorstelle vir die groep, status en handves word hieronder uiteengesit. Hierdie voorstelle is onderworpe aan veranderings en hersiening sodra verdere opinies ingewin word. Enige persoon wat in hierdie voorstel belangstel word aangemoedig om aan die bespreking deel te neem. Die bespreking sal vir 21 dae vanaf die datum van die amptelike plasing van hierdie RFD voortduur. Indien akkoord bereik word, sal daar dan 'n Oproep tot Stemme aangekondig word. GROEP NAAM ---------- soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans ENKELRE"EL BESKRYWING --------------------- die Afrikaanse taal en alle Afrikaanssprekendes, ook die in Namibi"e STATUS ------ Ongemodereer AGTERGROND ---------- Afrikaanssprekendes was, vanwe"e Suid-Afrika en Namibi"e se onlangse verlede, op verskeie maniere van die res van die wereld ge"isoleer. Een so 'n wyse was die kulturele boikotte deur verskeie regerings. Die boikotte van die Nederlandse en Belgiese regerings in besonder, het die kultuur- en taaluitruiling tussen Afrikaanssprekendes en Nederlands- spekendes aan bande gel^e. Nou is nuwe regerings inSuid-Afrika en Namibi"e aan bewind, en het dit tyd geword om hierdie, en ander bande, te hernu. Vir hierdie doel sal die soc.culture.afrikaans nuusgroep as 'n ideale afspringplek dien. Suid-Afrika het sy eie za. nuusgroep hierargie. Hier word artikels grootliks in Engels geskryf. 'n Za.culture.afrikaans nuusgroep kan as alternatief vir 'n soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans dien vir diegene wat besprekings in Afrikaans wil hou. Hierdie voorstel word egter gemaak, aangesien die za.nuusgroepe minder bekend is buite Suid-Afrika, en is in baie gevalle minder toeganklik as die USENET nuusgroepe. Daar sal 'n gedeeltelike oorvleueling wees tussen soc.culture.south-africa. afrikaans en soc.culture.south-africa in besprekings rakende suidelike Afrika. Die bedoeling van die soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans nuusgroep is nie soseer om as 'n plaasvervanger vir hierdie groep te dien, maar aanvullen daartoe, ook as een plaas op internet vir die afrikaanssprekendes in Namibi"e. Die Afrikaanse poslys is al 'n groot sukses, en ons denk met 'n USENET nuusgroep nog meer mense te bereik. Ons het die plan om 'n "gateway" te maak tussen die Afrikaanse poslys en soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans. VOORGESTELDE HANDVES -------------------- Afrikaans is 'n taal wat grootliks in suidelike Afrika gepraat word (hoofsaaklik in Suid-Afrika, Namibie en tot 'n mindere mate Zimbabwe), alhoewel klein Afrikaanssprekende gemeenskappe elders ter wereld voorkom. Afrikaans het in suidelike Afrika ontstaan as gevolg van die wisselwerking tussen 17de-eeuse Nederlands, Afrika-tale, Portugees, Maleis en ander invloede. Alhoewel dit 'n taal eie aan Afrika is, word dit nogtans beskou as 'n lid van die Dietse taalgroep, en is soortgelyk aan die Nederlandse/Vlaamse taal wat in Nederland en groot dele van Belgi"e gepraat word. Daar is 'n omvangryke Afrikaanse letterkunde, en die taal word wyd in die gedrukte en elektroniese media gebruik. Daar is 'n aantal inrigtings vir tersi^ere onderrig waar Afrikaans die voertaal is. In hierdie voorgestelde handves, sluit die term 'Afrikaanssprekendes' alle mense wat Afrikaans besig in, ongeag van ras, kleur, geloof of nasionale oorsprong, en is nie beperk tot diegene wat hulself as 'Afrikaners' beskou nie. Dit sluit moedertaalsprekers en andere in, ook die sprekers van die sogenaamde 'alternatiewe' Afrikaans. Die bedoeling is dat die voorgestelde nuusgroep soc.culture.south-africa. afrikaans sal dien as 'n gepreksforum vir alle inligting aangaande suidelike Afrika, Afrikaanssprekendes en die Afrikaanse taal. Dit beteken dat alle besprekings rakende sosiale, kulturele, politieke, ekonomiese, geskiedkundige, geografiese en ander sake wat op een of ander wyse verband hou met Afrikaanssprekendes, Afrikaans of suidelike Afrika, verwelkom sal word in hierdie nuusgroep. Dit word verder begeer dat soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans 'n betekenisvolle middel van skakeling tussen Afrikaanssprekendes tuis en in die buiteland sal wees, en tussen Afrikaanssprekendes en ander mense dwarsoor die wereld. RE"ELS ----- Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans sal 'n ongemodereerde nuusgroep wees, dus sal dit enige persoon vry staan om na hierdie nuusgroep te pos. Vryheid om te pos beteken egter ook om verantwoordelikheid te aanvaar vir wat u pos. Alle artikels wat gepos word behoort (hoe verwyder ookal) op een of ander wyse met suidelike Afrika, Afrikaans of Afrikaanssprekendes verband te hou. Beledigings, "flames" of onnodige kritiek van 'n groep of persoon word ten sterkste ontmoedig. Lees asseblief die "netiquette" re"els in news.announce.newusers voordat u u eerste artikel aan enige nuusgroep pos, en behou u te alle tye by hierdie re"els wanneer u artikels pos. TALE ---- Artikels sal hoofsaaklik in Afrikaans (ook 'alternatiewe' Afrikaans), Nederlands en Engels wees. Artikels in ander tale word ook verwelkom om sodoende die uitruiling van inligting met die wydste gehoor moontlik te bewerkstellig. BESPREKINGSPLEK --------------- Die besprekings sal in news.groups, 'n USENET nuusgroep, plaasvind. Alle kommentaar rakende hierdie voorstel moet na news.groups gepos word (neem kennis van die Followup-To re"el). BESPREKINGSPERIODE ------------------ Die besprekingsperiode sal vir 21 dae lank duur, wat met die amtelike verskyning van hierdie RFD 'n aanvang sal neem. Indien akkoord bereik word, sal 'n Oproep om Stemme (oftewel "Call For Votes" - CFV) aangekondig word, wat vir 'n tydperk van 21 to 31 dae sal duur. HIERDIE VVB GE"INISIEER DEUR: ----------------------------- Robert Wagenaar st904898@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl From rhaas@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Mon Aug 28 17:45:20 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Robert Haas Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.belgium,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.south-africa,nlnet.taal Subject: CFV: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Followup-To: poster Date: 28 Aug 1995 21:45:17 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 129 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 19 Sep 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: Reply-To: vote@kitimar.seti-inst.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7420 news.groups:166144 soc.culture.belgium:18697 soc.culture.netherlands:48291 soc.culture.south-africa:7676 nlnet.taal:5075 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Newsgroups line: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans The Afrikaans language and its speakers. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Robert Haas . For questions about the proposed group contact Robert Wagenaar . RATIONALE: The following charter and rationale were written by the proponent of the group. Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa (predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe, Botswana, Swaziland and Lesotho), although small communities of Afrikaans-speaking people are found in other parts of the world. Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from the interaction between 17th-century Dutch, African languages, Portuguese, Malay and other influences. Although it is a uniquely African language, it is nonetheless classed as a member of the Germanic languages, and is similar to the Dutch language, which is predominantly spoken in the Netherlands and a large part of Belgium. There is a substantial body of Afrikaans literature, and it is used extensively in the written and electronic media. There are a number of tertiary educational institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans is the medium of instruction. Between 10 and 12 million people use it everyday as their first or second language. South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans newsgroup could be an alternative for a soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible than the USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued. Another reason is the interest in Afrikaans that Dutch speakers from the Netherlands and Belgium have expressed. Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa. The soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so much as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and serves also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from Namibia. The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big success, and we expect to reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our intention to make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the proposed group. CHARTER: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour, creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be 'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans. The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans language all information and discussion about speakers of the Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions about social, cultural, political, economical, historical, geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other, related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern African region are welcome in this newsgroup. Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the Afrikaans language. Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup, so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged. Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them whenever posting articles. Languages: Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans), Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information with the largest possible audience. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: vote@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Replying to this message should work unless you are reading it on a mailing list. Do NOT follow up; posted votes are not counted. The only way to vote is to send email to the address listed above. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans I vote NO on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV This CFV is being cross-posted to the newsgroups news.announce.newgroups, soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.south-africa, soc.culture.netherlands, news.groups, and nlnet.taal and mailed to the mailing lists afrikaans@unseen.aztec.co.za and lowlands-l@u.washington.edu. You may also obtain a copy by sending a message to uvv@kitimar.seti-inst.edu with a subject of `send soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans cfv'. These are the ONLY official sources of this CFV; please do not repost this CFV or the voting instructions elsewhere. From rhaas@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Tue Sep 12 17:59:37 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Robert Haas Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.belgium,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.south-africa,nlnet.taal Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Sep 1995 21:59:33 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 129 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 19 Sep 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: Reply-To: vote@kitimar.seti-inst.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7513 news.groups:167334 soc.culture.belgium:19869 soc.culture.netherlands:49930 soc.culture.south-africa:8193 nlnet.taal:5346 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Newsgroups line: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans The Afrikaans language and its speakers. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Robert Haas . For questions about the proposed group contact Robert Wagenaar . RATIONALE: The following charter and rationale were written by the proponent of the group. Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa (predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe, Botswana, Swaziland and Lesotho), although small communities of Afrikaans-speaking people are found in other parts of the world. Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from the interaction between 17th-century Dutch, African languages, Portuguese, Malay and other influences. Although it is a uniquely African language, it is nonetheless classed as a member of the Germanic languages, and is similar to the Dutch language, which is predominantly spoken in the Netherlands and a large part of Belgium. There is a substantial body of Afrikaans literature, and it is used extensively in the written and electronic media. There are a number of tertiary educational institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans is the medium of instruction. Between 10 and 12 million people use it everyday as their first or second language. South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans newsgroup could be an alternative for a soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible than the USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued. Another reason is the interest in Afrikaans that Dutch speakers from the Netherlands and Belgium have expressed. Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa. The soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so much as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and serves also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from Namibia. The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big success, and we expect to reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our intention to make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the proposed group. CHARTER: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour, creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be 'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans. The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans language all information and discussion about speakers of the Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions about social, cultural, political, economical, historical, geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other, related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern African region are welcome in this newsgroup. Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the Afrikaans language. Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup, so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged. Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them whenever posting articles. Languages: Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans), Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information with the largest possible audience. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: vote@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Replying to this message should work unless you are reading it on a mailing list. Do NOT follow up; posted votes are not counted. The only way to vote is to send email to the address listed above. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans I vote NO on soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV This CFV is being cross-posted to the newsgroups news.announce.newgroups, soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.south-africa, soc.culture.netherlands, news.groups, and nlnet.taal and mailed to the mailing lists afrikaans@unseen.aztec.co.za and lowlands-l@u.washington.edu. You may also obtain a copy by sending a message to uvv@kitimar.seti-inst.edu with a subject of `get soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans cfv'. These are the ONLY official sources of this CFV; please do not repost this CFV or the voting instructions elsewhere. From rhaas@kitimar.seti-inst.edu Tue Sep 26 18:19:14 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Robert Haas Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.belgium,soc.culture.netherlands,soc.culture.south-africa,nlnet.taal Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans passes 272:19 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 26 Sep 1995 22:19:11 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 408 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7612 news.groups:168614 soc.culture.belgium:20606 soc.culture.netherlands:51571 soc.culture.south-africa:8592 nlnet.taal:5587 RESULT unmoderated group soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans passes 272:19 There were 272 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 291 valid votes. There were 2 abstains. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Votes closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Robert Haas . For questions about the proposed group contact Robert Wagenaar . RATIONALE: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans The following charter and rationale were written by the proponent of the group. Afrikaans is a language spoken largely in southern Africa (predominantly South Africa, Namibia and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe, Botswana, Swaziland and Lesotho), although small communities of Afrikaans-speaking people are found in other parts of the world. Afrikaans evolved in southern Africa from the interaction between 17th-century Dutch, African languages, Portuguese, Malay and other influences. Although it is a uniquely African language, it is nonetheless classed as a member of the Germanic languages, and is similar to the Dutch language, which is predominantly spoken in the Netherlands and a large part of Belgium. There is a substantial body of Afrikaans literature, and it is used extensively in the written and electronic media. There are a number of tertiary educational institutions in South Africa in which Afrikaans is the medium of instruction. Between 10 and 12 million people use it everyday as their first or second language. South Africa has its own za.* newsgroup hierarchy, in which the articles are predominantly written in English. A za.culture.afrikaans newsgroup could be an alternative for a soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup, for those who want to hold discussions in Afrikaans. But, the za.* newsgroup are less well known outside South-Africa, and in some cases less accessible than the USENET news-groups, therefore this proposal has been issued. Another reason is the interest in Afrikaans that Dutch speakers from the Netherlands and Belgium have expressed. Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will have a partial overlap with soc.culture.south-africa in discussions about southern Africa. The soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans newsgroup is intended not so much as a substitute but more as an addition to this newsgroup, and serves also as a place on the internet for Afrikaans speakers from Namibia. The Afrikaans mailinglist is already a big success, and we expect to reach even more people with a USENET newsgroup. It is our intention to make a gateway between the Afrikaans mailinglist and the proposed group. CHARTER: soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans In this proposed charter, the term 'Afrikaans speakers' will be taken to include all people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of race, colour, creed or national origin, whether they consider themselves to be 'Afrikaners' or not. This includes both mother-tongue speakers and others, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans. The proposed newsgroup soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans is intended as a platform for all information about speakers of the Afrikaans language all information and discussion about speakers of the Afrikaans language and the language itself. This means all discussions about social, cultural, political, economical, historical, geographical and other issues that are, in one way or the other, related to Afrikaans speakers, Afrikaans or the southern African region are welcome in this newsgroup. Also, it is hoped that soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be a meaningful means for contact between Afrikaans speakers at home and abroad, and between the Afrikaans speakers, including those who speak 'alternative' Afrikaans, and and all other persons interested in the Afrikaans language. Soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans will be an unmoderated newsgroup, so anyone will be able to post to this newsgroup. Being free to post should also mean being responsible for what you post. All articles posted should have 'something' to do with southern Africa, Afrikaans or Afrikaans-speaking people, however remotely. Insults, "flames" or unnecessary criticism of a group or a person is strongly discouraged. Please read the netiquette rules in news.announce.newusers before posting your first article to any newsgroup, and try to stick to them whenever posting articles. Languages: Primarily, postings in Afrikaans (also in 'alternative' Afrikaans), Dutch and English can be expected. However, postings in any other language are also welcome to facilitate the exchange of information with the largest possible audience. END CHARTER. soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ /I=A/G=Mark/S=Coetzer/OU=TXIVGP.PO6/@SMDALLAS.LANGATE.sprint.com 0002000013@mcimail.com Matilda Janse Van Rensburg 0002000014@mcimail.com Johan Janse Van Rensburg 0002002039@mcimail.com Johan Erasmus 0006775380@mcimail.com Nicolas Linde 100545.1102@CompuServe.COM Angelo Marchini 70034.574@compuserve.com Willie Pretorius 9401326@firga.sun.ac.za Murray L. Steenkamp 9402225@firga.sun.ac.za E VAN DER MERWE 9408649@firga.sun.ac.za HA ROSSOUW 9427015@firga.sun.ac.za JG LOCHNER A.Lauer@research.ptt.nl Lauer, A. 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Verona Pretorius zh@woody.inka.de Zwingli Holzapfel zucker@maccs.dcss.McMaster.CA Jeffery Zucker Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ atkinsj@alleg.EDU Grey Death catseye@netcom.com Mark Kupferman jan.coekelberghs@ping.be Jan Coekelberghs kevin@krlee.demon.co.uk kevin@krlee.demon.co.uk lance@rahul.net Lance K. Chun oanthony@fir.fbc.com Olufemi Anthony patl@skyclad.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti pearton@u.washington.edu D. Pearton ptbast@owl.WPI.EDU Pete Bastien reyes@buphyk.bu.edu Jinara Reyes rmarvin@osf1.gmu.edu Robert K Marvin rossix!davidmo@openlink.openlink.com David Moore sapathtl@sapath.win.net Terance LeCompte Shrisha.Rao@lambada.oit.unc.edu Shrisha Rao sinan@ittpub.nl smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown techint@winternet.com Technical Intelligence-MN-USA tlawson@email.develop.american.edu Todd C. Lawson Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ crouchkp@flidh103.delcoelect.com Kenneth P Crouch widenius@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius