From msilber@exit109.com Thu May 30 18:30:19 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Michael Silbergleid Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,rec.video.professional Subject: RFD: rec.video.marketplace Followup-To: news.groups Date: 30 May 1996 22:30:35 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 58 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <833495433.28235@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8754 news.groups:208711 rec.video:108760 rec.video.desktop:21355 rec.video.production:44052 rec.video.professional:4293 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.video.marketplace Newsgroup line: rec.video.marketplace Buying and selling video equipment. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup rec.video.marketplace. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: rec.video.marketplace There is considerable interest in forming this newsgroup from those who are video, television and broadcasting professionals currently posting "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts on rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, and rec.video.professional (moderated). There is a certain dissatisfaction in the professional community with "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts appearing in those existing newsgroups. CHARTER: rec.video.marketplace rec.video.marketplace would be a newsgroup dealing with the buying and selling of equipment in video, television and broadcasting. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, rec.video.professional - Proponent: Michael Silbergleid -- Michael Silbergleid From dave@dogwood.com Wed Jul 24 22:24:18 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: dave@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production Subject: CFV: rec.video.marketplace Followup-To: poster Date: 25 Jul 1996 02:24:03 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 90 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 16 Aug 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <838261439.1286@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: rvm@infobahn.net NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8973 news.groups:220485 rec.video:112938 rec.video.desktop:24305 rec.video.production:47274 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.video.marketplace Newsgroups line: rec.video.marketplace Video equipment marketplace. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 15 Aug 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Michael Silbergleid Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: rec.video.marketplace There is considerable interest in forming this newsgroup from those who are video, television and broadcasting professionals currently posting "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts on rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, and rec.video.professional (moderated). There is a certain dissatisfaction in the professional community with "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts appearing in those existing newsgroups. CHARTER: rec.video.marketplace Rec.video.marketplace is a newsgroup dealing with the buying and selling of equipment in video, television and broadcasting. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Send E-MAIL to: rvm@infobahn.net Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.video.marketplace I vote NO on rec.video.marketplace You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as votes and don't affect the vote count. Anything else will be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again from the same email address; only your last valid vote will count. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result in your vote not being counted. DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been cross-posted to: rec.video rec.video.desktop rec.video.production rec.video.professional From dave@dogwood.com Sun Aug 4 20:36:44 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: dave@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.video.marketplace Supersedes: <838261439.1286@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 5 Aug 1996 00:36:36 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 90 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 16 Aug 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <839205394.24031@uunet.uu.net> References: <838261439.1286@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: rvm@infobahn.net NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9011 news.groups:224005 rec.video:113771 rec.video.desktop:24907 rec.video.production:47848 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.video.marketplace Newsgroups line: rec.video.marketplace Video equipment marketplace. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 15 Aug 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Michael Silbergleid Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: rec.video.marketplace There is considerable interest in forming this newsgroup from those who are video, television and broadcasting professionals currently posting "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts on rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, and rec.video.professional (moderated). There is a certain dissatisfaction in the professional community with "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts appearing in those existing newsgroups. CHARTER: rec.video.marketplace Rec.video.marketplace is a newsgroup dealing with the buying and selling of equipment in video, television and broadcasting. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Send E-MAIL to: rvm@infobahn.net Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.video.marketplace I vote NO on rec.video.marketplace You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as votes and don't affect the vote count. Anything else will be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledgment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again from the same email address; only your last valid vote will count. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result in your vote not being counted. DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been cross-posted to: rec.video rec.video.desktop rec.video.production rec.video.professional From dave@dogwood.com Wed Aug 21 23:03:06 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: dave@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production Subject: RESULT: rec.video.marketplace passes 127:18 Supersedes: <839205394.24031@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 21 Aug 1996 23:02:58 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 236 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <840682976.22626@uunet.uu.net> References: <838261439.1286@uunet.uu.net> <839205394.24031@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9085 news.groups:227569 rec.video:115138 rec.video.desktop:25875 rec.video.production:48779 RESULT unmoderated group rec.video.marketplace passes 127:18 There were 127 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 145 valid votes. There were 11 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.video.marketplace Video equipment marketplace. Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 15 Aug 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Michael Silbergleid Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: rec.video.marketplace There is considerable interest in forming this newsgroup from those who are video, television and broadcasting professionals currently posting "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts on rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, and rec.video.professional (moderated). There is a certain dissatisfaction in the professional community with "For Sale" and "Wanted To Buy" posts appearing in those existing newsgroups. CHARTER: rec.video.marketplace Rec.video.marketplace is a newsgroup dealing with the buying and selling of equipment in video, television and broadcasting. END CHARTER. DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been cross-posted to: rec.video rec.video.desktop rec.video.production rec.video.professional rec.video.marketplace Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bdi@hartingdale.com.au Billy Williams jaieml@netcom.ca Jaiem Leal gpoirier@aix1.uottawa.ca jak139@mail.usask.ca James Adam Kalyn tlindemu@mv.us.adobe.com Thomas Lindemuth bath@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com David Bath Bushidoh@aol.com dfulton169@aol.com DFulton169 JBainSI@aol.com LeroyJr@aol.com MEmery@aol.com OTSP@aol.com Pidderlyng@aol.com QuinLee@aol.com SgtBuk1@aol.com SIGap@aol.com Tbmpvideo@aol.com Yankvideo@aol.com donal@brewich.com Donal adita@cadvision.com Myron B. Achtman scottjow@calweb.com Scott Jow outlander!ke6isf@ccss.com Dennis Allen Carr USERID.@compuserve.com Rainer Fink aircargo@cris.com Michal Douglas Lis1@cris.com videotec@cris.com midnight@cyberia.com Tom Mitchell turnbull@datarev.com turnbull dlv@bwalk.dm.com Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM klewis@dowco.com Ken Lewis MCATRIC_at_PO__UPLINK1@pigeon.echostar.com MCATRIC alfredj@erols.com Alfred J Shapiro taxi@europa.com Taxi jeffsj@execpc.com Jeffery S. Jones jeremy@exit109.com csr-kts@gol.com Kevin Sullivan bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison swm@atl.hp.com Sandy Morton kougoyan@pourquoi.grenoble.hp.com Jean-Christophe KOUGOYAN garageguy@iavbbs.com davangl@idirect.com David & Angie Lynn infograf@inlink.com Jim McLaughlin paxil@interlog.com Paxil tinap@interlog.com WORD-ABILITY sheer@magenta.com Sheer jamesp@microweb.com James Pann ronnie.grant@mogur.com Ronnie Grant mfw@musictrax.com Marc Wielage apierre@ix.netcom.com Anthony R Pierre davidf1@ix.netcom.com David Frasco gls_sma@ix.netcom.com Gary L. Sanders grandall@ix.netcom.com Grant R. Heise milesh1@ix.netcom.com MCH questch@ix.netcom.com Chuck Hemstreet rnew@ix.netcom.com Richard New strauss@ix.netcom.com Edward Strauss ljvideo@netcom.com Larry Jandro modemac@netcom.com Modemac twells@netcom.com Tabor J. Wells tegtmeie@panix.com John R. Tegtmeier deatbird@usa.pipeline.com deatbird telancas@pixi.com Timothy E. Lancaster tbrunt@plantaganet.com Tom Brunt erik@pond.com Erik Schultz kim@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn mxm@proteon.com Matthew L. Martin stevedppp@put.com esandhu@notes.pw.com Erik C. Sandhu rvt@mail2.quiknet.com Jan Robinson ren1999@rencorp.com Yagnesh Mehta EThomas@world.std.com Evan J. Thomas pan@syix.com Pan finecooking@taunton.com JAVIER@tgv.com Javier Henderson caldwell@spdc.ti.com Wayne Caldwell snider@Westworld.com Kurt Snider persist@whidbey.com Bruce Towne adrade@wwa.com Adam Levy singh@wwa.com singh david@U.Arizona.EDU David W. Crawford parkbubp@bu.edu Kwang-weon Park cls48@columbia.edu Christopher Lodge Stamper AIKNY@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU midnite@iastate.edu metcalfe@MIT.EDU ted metcalfe Colin.Daniel@nau.edu Colin Daniel pmck@ftp.lle.rochester.edu Patrick McKenty r2bkm@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU Belete Muturo mtpins@isca.uiowa.edu Michael T Pins 7707klyon@umbsky.cc.umb.edu melvynkong@uoknor.edu Melvyn Kong kinney@cs.utk.edu Diane F. Kinney wroberts@uwf.edu William H Roberts archer@hsc.fr Vincent Archer ebradshe@wrdis01.robins.af.mil Estes Bradsher PMS cmeli@cis.um.edu.mt blackard@airmail.net Patrick Blackard cdchapman@worldnet.att.net Christian Chapman Curtis@worldnet.att.net Curtis Edwards flyball@avana.net Pat Smith rhoward@bconnex.net lsf1@eathlink.net thul@enter.net Matt Thul msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 taormina@gate.net Mario Taormina tetonvid@dns.ida.net Allan & Tara Klingler eszabo@ismi.net Ed Szabo neeland@leonardo.net Jim Neeland msilber@li.net . anargyro@mbay.net A Cominos birchall@email.njin.net Dan "Shag" Birchall lobotomy@pagan.net Chris Y sharpvid@pgh.net Tom Pendergast wakelyn@pinn.net tom wakelyn gbg@prolog.net GBG bh261@torfree.net Jack Yip jamesoid@wisenet.net James Adams bassblom@noord.bart.nl Bass Blom rulrich@euronet.nl Rob Ulrich p.h.wagner@econ.uio.no =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l?= Henrik Wagner ismith@pri.org Israel Smith braker@danenet.wicip.org Steve Braker, Worthwhile Films ags@agsmedia.com.pl AGS media sapuan@pacific.net.sg Sapuan Tharsimon alec@cawley.demon.co.uk Alec Cawley Richard@challrj.demon.co.uk Richard John Challis Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- devuns@alsys.com Olivier Devuns @pulsar stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming Karl@crl.com Karl Golub booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar qut@netcom.com Dave Harman matt@soundwave.com Matt Brosious naddy@mips.pfalz.de Christian Weisgerber polzer@uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de Andreas Polzer ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu Michael Loomis patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller dunl@midway.uchicago.edu John Dunlevy simg@indigo.ie Simon Grant mblount@texas.net Mark Blount csaamw@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No abstentions Invalid ballots ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LBartone@aol.com ! No vote statement in message Montuer@aol.com ! No vote statement in message sdona78242@aol.com SDona78242 ! No vote statement in message son.T@applelink.apple.com Son.T ! No vote statement in message videoguy@cris.com Gary Bettan ! No vote statement in message ven@ix.netcom.com Tuy Le ! No vote statement in message carlo17@primenet.com Monty D. Martin ! No vote statement in message simun@unity.ncsu.edu Josip Simunovic ! No vote statement in message f101949@mailbox.hogia.net asgeir bjarnason ! No vote statement in message ktorch@usit.net Kent Torch ! No vote statement in message penner@algonet.se Susanne Bjorkman ! No vote statement in message