From blackout@igc.net Fri Jun 21 14:29:26 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: blackout@igc.net (Michael Biggins) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,rec.arts.movies.production Subject: RFD: rec.video.desktop.toaster Followup-To: news.groups Date: 21 Jun 1996 18:29:59 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 122 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <835381796.25374@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.desktop.toaster Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8886 news.groups:213060 rec.video:110453 rec.video.desktop:22641 rec.video.production:45348 comp.sys.amiga.misc:128447 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:49134 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:21437 rec.arts.movies.production:21865 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.video.desktop.toaster Newsgroup line: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster and Flyer systems. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster system from NewTek was the first desktop editing system to run on a personal computer and it revolutionized the video world. It is the most widely used and well known desktop video system to date, yet there is no newsgroup to accomodate it's many users. Between the video toaster, and now the new video Flyer system which hooks up to the toaster, there are over 50,000 users of this desktop video system around the world but no specific area on the internet where they can discuss toaster and flyer related issues. A good percentage of traffic of rec.video.desktop and rec.video.production deals with the video toaster and flyer, and those newsgroups are allready cluttered as it is because they have far too wide of a topic range. Rec.video.desktop is only one group, and it encompasses the discussion of EVERY desktop video system there is. If one was to include every different card, computer, and device that can be used with video, there are hundreds of desktop systems. It makes logical sense that the biggest and most widely used of these - the video toaster, should be the first to break off into it's own group. There are so many toaster and flyer users on the internet who need a general area of discussion, and there are more getting on the net everyday. With NewTek's plans to release the video toaster for windows, the number of users will only increase. Rec.video.desktop.toaster will give toaster/flyer users around the world a place where they can specifically communicate with eachother without searching through gobs of unrelated messages, and it will also be one less system to further clutter up the already overcrowded rec.video.desktop, and rec,video.production. It is also important to realize that the video toaster is not just a video card that can mix and match with thousands of different combinations such as some of the other systems discussed in rec.video.desktop are, but it is in fact a total and complete system. Many of the posts in rec.video.desktop are about cards and software that are for the ibm or mac platforms in general, and these have no relavence on the toaster desktop system. The flyer is also grouped with the toaster, because it simply expands upon the features of the toaster from linear to non-linear editing. There have been some mailing lists that have provided a good source of information, but they have gone up and down, and are not convienent or reliable enough as a newsgroup would be. Rec.video.desktop.toaster is a natural name to give the newsgroup, since the video toaster is a desktop video system, and the group would be easily recongnized as dealing specifically with the toaster. There is the possibilty of naming the group rec.video.desktop.toaster-flyer But since the flyer is simply a non-linear expansion to the video toaster system, and not a device that is it's own entity or that can be used with any other system other than the toaster, it would make more sense to name the group rec.video.desktop.toaster This would fit in correctly in the hierarchy and be specific. CHARTER: rec.video.desktop.toaster The newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster will be for the discussion of the use of the NewTek Video Toaster and Flyer systems, and all related information to those systems. This would include tips and hints on use of the many various aspects of the Toaster and Flyer systems, intergration with other video equipment. Video and sound discussion relating to the Toaster and Flyer, discussion of projects that have been put together on the Toaster and Flyer, additional software and hardware products reviews and discussion, as well as an informational exchange and meeting ground between users of the Toaster and Flyer systems. Buy/sell messages for toaster/flyer related hardware and software would also be acceptable. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote untill this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attemps to comply fully with the USenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, rec.video, rec.video.professional, rec.arts.movies.production, comp.sys.amiga.misc, comp.sys.amiga.misc, comp.graphics.apps.lightwave and the following mailing list: toaster@tomahawk.grandi.com (The Video Toaster mailing list) Subscribe via: majordomo@tomahawk.grandi.com -- Proponent: Michael Biggins Actor/Director 'Blackout's Box' Blackout Productions - Ft Laud, FL From chuck@newtek.com Mon Jul 29 20:29:08 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: chuck@newtek.com (Chuck Baker) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,rec.video,rec.arts.movies.production,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,rec.video.professional Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.video.desktop.toaster Followup-To: news.groups Date: 30 Jul 1996 00:28:54 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 175 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <838686532.2695@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.desktop.toaster Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8989 news.groups:222022 rec.video.desktop:24556 rec.video.production:47560 rec.video:113315 rec.arts.movies.production:23205 comp.sys.amiga.misc:131855 comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:23902 rec.video.professional:5466 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.video.desktop.toaster Newsgroup line: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster and Flyer systems. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated UseNet newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. CHANGES from previous RFD: Discussion of mailing list traffic added to Rationale; exclusion of spam and binaries added to Charter, reference to UseNet FAQ on netiquette as standard for conduct added to Charter, guidelines for ad postings from Toaster/Flyer related vendors added to Charter; Proponent Chuck Baker added; LightWave mailing list added to distribution. RATIONALE: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster (TM) system from NewTek was the first desktop editing system to run on a personal computer, and it revolutionized the video world. It is the most widely used and well known desktop video system to date, yet there is no newsgroup to accommodate its many users. Between the Video Toaster, and now the new Video Flyer system which hooks up to the Toaster, there are over 50,000 users of this desktop video system around the world, but no specific area on the internet where they can discuss toaster and flyer related issues. A good percentage of traffic of rec.video.desktop and rec.video.production deals with the Video Toaster and Flyer, and those newsgroups are already cluttered as it is because they have far too wide a topic range. Rec.video.desktop is only one group, and it encompasses the discussion of EVERY desktop video system there is. If one were to include every different card, computer, and device that can be used with video, there are hundreds of desktop systems. It makes logical sense that the biggest and most widely used of these - the Video Toaster, should be the first to break off into its own group. There are so many Toaster and Flyer users on the internet who need a general area of discussion, and there are more getting on the net everyday. With NewTek's plans to release the Video Toaster for Windows, the number of users will only increase. There have been some mailing lists that have provided a good source of information, but they have gone up and down, and are not as convenient or reliable as a newsgroup would be. The current Toaster mailing list is quite busy, with more than 800 subscribers, and with traffic of several hundred messages per week. This indicates that a newsgroup, with its greater availability, could be expected to be even busier. Rec.video.desktop.toaster will give Toaster/Flyer users around the world a place where they can specifically communicate with each other without searching through gobs of unrelated messages, and it will also be one less system to further clutter up the already overcrowded rec.video.desktop, and rec.video.production. It is also important to realize that the Video Toaster is not just a video card that can mix and match with thousands of different combinations such as some of the other systems discussed in rec.video.desktop are, but it is in fact a total and complete system. Many of the posts in rec.video.desktop are about cards and software that are for the ibm or mac platforms in general, and these have no relavence on the Toaster desktop system. The Flyer is also grouped with the Toaster, because it simply expands upon the features of the Toaster from linear to non-linear editing. Rec.video.desktop.toaster is a natural name to give the newsgroup, since the Video Toaster is a desktop video system, and the group would be easily recognized as dealing specifically with the Toaster. There is the possibilty of naming the group rec.video.desktop.toaster-flyer But since the Flyer is simply a non-linear expansion to the Video Toaster system, and not a device that is its own entity or that can be used with any other system other than the Toaster, it would make more sense to name the group rec.video.desktop.toaster This would fit in correctly in the hierarchy and be specific. CHARTER: rec.video.desktop.toaster The newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster will be for the discussion of the use of the NewTek Video Toaster and Flyer systems, and all related information to those systems. This would include tips and hints on use of the many various aspects of the Toaster and Flyer systems, integration with other video equipment, video and sound discussion relating to the Toaster and Flyer, discussion of projects that have been put together on the Toaster and Flyer, additional software and hardware products reviews and discussion, as well as an informational exchange and meeting ground between users of the Toaster and Flyer systems. Buy/sell messages for Toaster/Flyer related hardware and software would also be acceptable. The newsgroup would also provide a natural area for vendors of third party products which support or enhance the Toaster and the Flyer to support those products by answering questions from users, and providing notices of enhancements and updates. "Spamming" of commercial or other messages not related to the topic of the newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster, and other violations of standard UseNet newsgroup netiquette, as expressed in the UseNet FAQs on the subject, are not permitted. Binaries posts are not permitted in rvdt. Vendors who wish to post information concerning Toaster or Flyer related products should post contact information and brief descriptions, and brief price lists (recommended not more than 10 to 20 items), and should exercise reasonable judgement in frequency of "ad" postings. The newsgroup is for information, and is not a marketplace, and posting of ads more often than weekly by any vendor primary or third party, is discouraged. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attemps to comply fully with the UseNet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New UseNet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, rec.video, rec.video.professional, rec.arts.movies.production, comp.sys.amiga.misc, comp.sys.amiga.misc, comp.graphics.apps.lightwave and the following mailing lists: toaster@tomahawk.grandi.com (The Video Toaster mailing list) Subscribe via: majordomo@tomahawk.grandi.com lightwave@tomahawk.grandi.com (The LightWave mailing list) Subscribe via: majordomo@tomahawk.grandi.com -- PROPONENTS: Proponent: Michael Biggins Actor/Director 'Blackout's Box' Blackout Productions - Ft Laud, FL Proponent: Chuck Baker Technical Support Manager NewTek, Inc., Topeka, KS -- ========================================================================= Chuck Baker - NewTek, Inc., Technical Support Services ========================================================================= From votetaker@netagw.com Mon Sep 16 15:33:33 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,rec.video.professional Subject: CFV: rec.video.desktop.toaster Followup-To: poster Date: 16 Sep 1996 19:32:57 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 205 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 8 Oct 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <842902374.8922@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: toaster-vote@netagw.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.desktop.toaster Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9160 news.groups:230947 rec.video:117156 rec.video.desktop:27412 rec.video.production:50071 rec.video.professional:6304 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.video.desktop.toaster Newsgroups line: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster and Flyer systems. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Michael Biggins Proponent: Chuck Baker Votetaker: Bill Aten RATIONALE: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster (TM) system from NewTek was the first desktop editing system to run on a personal computer, and it revolutionized the video world. It is the most widely used and well known desktop video system to date, yet there is no newsgroup to accommodate its many users. Between the Video Toaster, and now the new Video Flyer system which hooks up to the Toaster, there are over 50,000 users of this desktop video system around the world, but no specific area on the internet where they can discuss toaster and flyer related issues. A good percentage of traffic of rec.video.desktop and rec.video.production deals with the Video Toaster and Flyer, and those newsgroups are already cluttered as it is because they have far too wide a topic range. Rec.video.desktop is only one group, and it encompasses the discussion of EVERY desktop video system there is. If one were to include every different card, computer, and device that can be used with video, there are hundreds of desktop systems. It makes logical sense that the biggest and most widely used of these - the Video Toaster, should be the first to break off into its own group. There are so many Toaster and Flyer users on the internet who need a general area of discussion, and there are more getting on the net everyday. With NewTek's plans to release the Video Toaster for Windows, the number of users will only increase. There have been some mailing lists that have provided a good source of information, but they have gone up and down, and are not as convenient or reliable as a newsgroup would be. The current Toaster mailing list is quite busy, with more than 800 subscribers, and with traffic of several hundred messages per week. This indicates that a newsgroup, with its greater availability, could be expected to be even busier. Rec.video.desktop.toaster will give Toaster/Flyer users around the world a place where they can specifically communicate with each other without searching through gobs of unrelated messages, and it will also be one less system to further clutter up the already overcrowded rec.video.desktop, and rec.video.production. It is also important to realize that the Video Toaster is not just a video card that can mix and match with thousands of different combinations such as some of the other systems discussed in rec.video.desktop are, but it is in fact a total and complete system. Many of the posts in rec.video.desktop are about cards and software that are for the IBM or Mac platforms in general, and these have no relevance on the Toaster desktop system. The Flyer is also grouped with the Toaster, because it simply expands upon the features of the Toaster from linear to non-linear editing. Rec.video.desktop.toaster is a natural name to give the newsgroup, since the Video Toaster is a desktop video system, and the group would be easily recognized as dealing specifically with the Toaster. There is the possibility of naming the group rec.video.desktop.toaster-flyer But since the Flyer is simply a non-linear expansion to the Video Toaster system, and not a device that is its own entity or that can be used with any other system other than the Toaster, it would make more sense to name the group rec.video.desktop.toaster This would fit in correctly in the hierarchy and be specific. CHARTER: rec.video.desktop.toaster The newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster will be for the discussion of the use of the NewTek Video Toaster and Flyer systems, and all related information to those systems. This would include tips and hints on use of the many various aspects of the Toaster and Flyer systems, integration with other video equipment, video and sound discussion relating to the Toaster and Flyer, discussion of projects that have been put together on the Toaster and Flyer, additional software and hardware products reviews and discussion, as well as an informational exchange and meeting ground between users of the Toaster and Flyer systems. Buy/sell messages for Toaster/Flyer related hardware and software would also be acceptable. The newsgroup would also provide a natural area for vendors of third party products which support or enhance the Toaster and the Flyer to support those products by answering questions from users, and providing notices of enhancements and updates. "Spamming" of commercial or other messages not related to the topic of the newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster, and other violations of standard UseNet newsgroup netiquette, as expressed in the UseNet FAQs on the subject, are not permitted. Binaries posts are not permitted in r.v.d.t. Vendors who wish to post information concerning Toaster or Flyer related products should post contact information and brief descriptions, and brief price lists (recommended not more than 10 to 20 items), and should exercise reasonable judgement in frequency of "ad" postings. The newsgroup is for information, and is not a marketplace, and posting of ads more often than weekly by any vendor primary or third party, is discouraged. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation *** PLEASE *** DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any other information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your vote. ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ===== ------------------------------------------------------------------- rec.video.desktop.toaster Ballot (Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information; ONLY your name) on the next line beside "Voter name:". Voter name: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- --------- [ ] rec.video.desktop.toaster ------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ============ IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker) are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV. Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to the votetaker or the UVV . In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed below and the votetaker's e-mail CFV server which can be reached at . This CFV has been cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, rec.video.professional The 1st CFV will also appear on the following mailing list: Video Toaster Mailing List Submission address: toaster@tomahawk.grandi.com Request address: majordomo@tomahawk.grandi.com From votetaker@netagw.com Thu Sep 26 10:31:47 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,rec.video.professional Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.video.desktop.toaster Supersedes: <842902374.8922@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Sep 1996 14:31:42 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 210 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 8 Oct 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <843748286.7541@uunet.uu.net> References: <842902374.8922@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: toaster-vote@netagw.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.desktop.toaster Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9203 news.groups:232603 rec.video:118005 rec.video.desktop:28031 rec.video.production:50576 rec.video.professional:6425 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.video.desktop.toaster Newsgroups line: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster and Flyer systems. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Michael Biggins Proponent: Chuck Baker Votetaker: Bill Aten RATIONALE: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster (TM) system from NewTek was the first desktop editing system to run on a personal computer, and it revolutionized the video world. It is the most widely used and well known desktop video system to date, yet there is no newsgroup to accommodate its many users. Between the Video Toaster, and now the new Video Flyer system which hooks up to the Toaster, there are over 50,000 users of this desktop video system around the world, but no specific area on the internet where they can discuss toaster and flyer related issues. A good percentage of traffic of rec.video.desktop and rec.video.production deals with the Video Toaster and Flyer, and those newsgroups are already cluttered as it is because they have far too wide a topic range. Rec.video.desktop is only one group, and it encompasses the discussion of EVERY desktop video system there is. If one were to include every different card, computer, and device that can be used with video, there are hundreds of desktop systems. It makes logical sense that the biggest and most widely used of these - the Video Toaster, should be the first to break off into its own group. There are so many Toaster and Flyer users on the internet who need a general area of discussion, and there are more getting on the net everyday. With NewTek's plans to release the Video Toaster for Windows, the number of users will only increase. There have been some mailing lists that have provided a good source of information, but they have gone up and down, and are not as convenient or reliable as a newsgroup would be. The current Toaster mailing list is quite busy, with more than 800 subscribers, and with traffic of several hundred messages per week. This indicates that a newsgroup, with its greater availability, could be expected to be even busier. Rec.video.desktop.toaster will give Toaster/Flyer users around the world a place where they can specifically communicate with each other without searching through gobs of unrelated messages, and it will also be one less system to further clutter up the already overcrowded rec.video.desktop, and rec.video.production. It is also important to realize that the Video Toaster is not just a video card that can mix and match with thousands of different combinations such as some of the other systems discussed in rec.video.desktop are, but it is in fact a total and complete system. Many of the posts in rec.video.desktop are about cards and software that are for the IBM or Mac platforms in general, and these have no relevance on the Toaster desktop system. The Flyer is also grouped with the Toaster, because it simply expands upon the features of the Toaster from linear to non-linear editing. Rec.video.desktop.toaster is a natural name to give the newsgroup, since the Video Toaster is a desktop video system, and the group would be easily recognized as dealing specifically with the Toaster. There is the possibility of naming the group rec.video.desktop.toaster-flyer But since the Flyer is simply a non-linear expansion to the Video Toaster system, and not a device that is its own entity or that can be used with any other system other than the Toaster, it would make more sense to name the group rec.video.desktop.toaster This would fit in correctly in the hierarchy and be specific. CHARTER: rec.video.desktop.toaster The newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster will be for the discussion of the use of the NewTek Video Toaster and Flyer systems, and all related information to those systems. This would include tips and hints on use of the many various aspects of the Toaster and Flyer systems, integration with other video equipment, video and sound discussion relating to the Toaster and Flyer, discussion of projects that have been put together on the Toaster and Flyer, additional software and hardware products reviews and discussion, as well as an informational exchange and meeting ground between users of the Toaster and Flyer systems. Buy/sell messages for Toaster/Flyer related hardware and software would also be acceptable. The newsgroup would also provide a natural area for vendors of third party products which support or enhance the Toaster and the Flyer to support those products by answering questions from users, and providing notices of enhancements and updates. "Spamming" of commercial or other messages not related to the topic of the newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster, and other violations of standard UseNet newsgroup netiquette, as expressed in the UseNet FAQs on the subject, are not permitted. Binaries posts are not permitted in r.v.d.t. Vendors who wish to post information concerning Toaster or Flyer related products should post contact information and brief descriptions, and brief price lists (recommended not more than 10 to 20 items), and should exercise reasonable judgement in frequency of "ad" postings. The newsgroup is for information, and is not a marketplace, and posting of ads more often than weekly by any vendor primary or third party, is discouraged. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation *** PLEASE *** DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any other information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your vote. ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ===== ------------------------------------------------------------------- rec.video.desktop.toaster Ballot (Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. 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This CFV has been cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.video, rec.video.desktop, rec.video.production, rec.video.professional The 1st CFV will also appear on the following mailing list: Video Toaster Mailing List Submission address: toaster@tomahawk.grandi.com Request address: majordomo@tomahawk.grandi.com rec.video.desktop.toaster Bounce List (No need to revote) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ pendragon@galactica.it Flavio Macchietto From bill@netagw.com Mon Oct 7 22:06:50 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.video,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production,rec.video.professional Subject: RESULT: rec.video.desktop.toaster passes 143:13 Supersedes: <843748286.7541@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 7 Oct 1996 22:06:44 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 314 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <844740400.825@uunet.uu.net> References: <842902374.8922@uunet.uu.net> <843748286.7541@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.video.desktop.toaster Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9240 news.groups:234065 rec.video:119020 rec.video.desktop:28638 rec.video.production:51281 rec.video.professional:6518 RESULT unmoderated group rec.video.desktop.toaster passes 143:13 Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Michael Biggins Proponent: Chuck Baker Votetaker: Bill Aten There were 156 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows: rec.video.desktop.toaster results - 156 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 143 13 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.video.desktop.toaster 5 invalid votes The proposal passed. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroup shortly thereafter. The remainder of the RESULT contains: Newsgroups Line Rationale Charter Final Voting Acknowledgements NEWSGROUPS LINE: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster and Flyer systems. RATIONALE: rec.video.desktop.toaster The Video Toaster (TM) system from NewTek was the first desktop editing system to run on a personal computer, and it revolutionized the video world. It is the most widely used and well known desktop video system to date, yet there is no newsgroup to accommodate its many users. Between the Video Toaster, and now the new Video Flyer system which hooks up to the Toaster, there are over 50,000 users of this desktop video system around the world, but no specific area on the internet where they can discuss toaster and flyer related issues. A good percentage of traffic of rec.video.desktop and rec.video.production deals with the Video Toaster and Flyer, and those newsgroups are already cluttered as it is because they have far too wide a topic range. Rec.video.desktop is only one group, and it encompasses the discussion of EVERY desktop video system there is. If one were to include every different card, computer, and device that can be used with video, there are hundreds of desktop systems. It makes logical sense that the biggest and most widely used of these - the Video Toaster, should be the first to break off into its own group. There are so many Toaster and Flyer users on the internet who need a general area of discussion, and there are more getting on the net everyday. With NewTek's plans to release the Video Toaster for Windows, the number of users will only increase. There have been some mailing lists that have provided a good source of information, but they have gone up and down, and are not as convenient or reliable as a newsgroup would be. The current Toaster mailing list is quite busy, with more than 800 subscribers, and with traffic of several hundred messages per week. This indicates that a newsgroup, with its greater availability, could be expected to be even busier. Rec.video.desktop.toaster will give Toaster/Flyer users around the world a place where they can specifically communicate with each other without searching through gobs of unrelated messages, and it will also be one less system to further clutter up the already overcrowded rec.video.desktop, and rec.video.production. It is also important to realize that the Video Toaster is not just a video card that can mix and match with thousands of different combinations such as some of the other systems discussed in rec.video.desktop are, but it is in fact a total and complete system. Many of the posts in rec.video.desktop are about cards and software that are for the IBM or Mac platforms in general, and these have no relevance on the Toaster desktop system. The Flyer is also grouped with the Toaster, because it simply expands upon the features of the Toaster from linear to non-linear editing. Rec.video.desktop.toaster is a natural name to give the newsgroup, since the Video Toaster is a desktop video system, and the group would be easily recognized as dealing specifically with the Toaster. There is the possibility of naming the group rec.video.desktop.toaster-flyer But since the Flyer is simply a non-linear expansion to the Video Toaster system, and not a device that is its own entity or that can be used with any other system other than the Toaster, it would make more sense to name the group rec.video.desktop.toaster This would fit in correctly in the hierarchy and be specific. CHARTER: rec.video.desktop.toaster The newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster will be for the discussion of the use of the NewTek Video Toaster and Flyer systems, and all related information to those systems. This would include tips and hints on use of the many various aspects of the Toaster and Flyer systems, integration with other video equipment, video and sound discussion relating to the Toaster and Flyer, discussion of projects that have been put together on the Toaster and Flyer, additional software and hardware products reviews and discussion, as well as an informational exchange and meeting ground between users of the Toaster and Flyer systems. Buy/sell messages for Toaster/Flyer related hardware and software would also be acceptable. The newsgroup would also provide a natural area for vendors of third party products which support or enhance the Toaster and the Flyer to support those products by answering questions from users, and providing notices of enhancements and updates. "Spamming" of commercial or other messages not related to the topic of the newsgroup rec.video.desktop.toaster, and other violations of standard UseNet newsgroup netiquette, as expressed in the UseNet FAQs on the subject, are not permitted. Binaries posts are not permitted in r.v.d.t. Vendors who wish to post information concerning Toaster or Flyer related products should post contact information and brief descriptions, and brief price lists (recommended not more than 10 to 20 items), and should exercise reasonable judgement in frequency of "ad" postings. The newsgroup is for information, and is not a marketplace, and posting of ads more often than weekly by any vendor primary or third party, is discouraged. END CHARTER. FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: rec.video.desktop.toaster Final Vote Ack rec.video.desktop.toaster ---+ | 73244.2610@CompuServe.COM Henry Teller Y 75104.606@CompuServe.COM Greg K. Welch Y acephotog@emi.net Daniel L. Conklin Y ack@netins.net D. J. 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