From dragonsl@scn.org Wed Aug 16 20:34:21 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: dragonsl@scn.org (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.backcountry,rec.climbing,alt.rv,alt.rec.camping,rec.outdoors.national-parks,rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.rv-travel Subject: RFD: rec.outdoors.marketplace Followup-To: news.groups Date: 17 Aug 1995 00:25:30 -0000 Organization: Home Lines: 57 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <40u29q$iah@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.outdoors.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7354 news.groups:164712 rec.backcountry:100824 rec.climbing:58755 alt.rv:2131 alt.rec.camping:4025 rec.outdoors.national-parks:1940 rec.outdoors.fishing:19994 rec.outdoors.rv-travel:1446 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.outdoors.marketplace Summary: Commercial and Private business related to the outdoors Proposed by: Ralph Lindberg This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the subject of creating an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, rec.outdoors.marketplace RATIONALE: There is currently no newsgroup intended for this purpose for the outdoor market. This results in unwanted adıs appearing in the related newsgroups. This proposed newsgroup would provide a forum for those wishing to advertise, while not disrupting on-going discussions in other newsgroups. It is recognized that this newsgroup will not prevent unwanted buy/sell/services offered/services wanted posts in other newsgroups, but it will provide a forum for business activities. The proponent for this newsgroup has no affiliation with any commercial entity that may wish to use this newsgroup CHARTER: rec.outdoors.marketplace The proposed unmoderated newsgroup rec.outdoors.marketplace will be open to businesses and persons wishing to buy and sell items of interest to the outdoor market. It will also be open to the offering or seeking of any services of interest to the outdoor market. Advertisements related to the outdoors and those that enjoy them is acceptable. Individuals who make their lively hood by selling camping equipment, services or those employed in the industry are welcome to participate. PROCEDURE: This message begins a discussion period considering the creation of rec.outdoors.camping. Discussion should take place in news.groups. All follow-up posts should be made to news.groups. This NOT a call for votes. A Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted 21 to 30 days from the date of this posting and will be conducted by an independent third party. DISTRIBUTION: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.backcountry, rec.climbing, alt.rv, alt.rec.camping ,rec.outdoors.national-parks, rec.outdoors.fishing, and rec.outdoors.rv-travel. -- Ralph Lindberg N7BSN e-mail to dragonsl@scn.org (read daily) rlindberg@kpt.nuwc.navy.mil (last resort only) They call it "Sur'n the Net" 'cause you can wipe out so easy From votes@bagend.atl.ga.us Tue Sep 19 16:02:44 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jan Isley Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.backcountry,rec.climbing,rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.national-parks,rec.outdoors.rv-travel,alt.rec.camping,alt.rv Subject: CFV: rec.outdoors.marketplace Followup-To: poster Date: 19 Sep 1995 20:02:40 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 88 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 11 Oct 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.outdoors.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7546 news.groups:167734 rec.backcountry:105139 rec.climbing:61905 rec.outdoors.fishing:20974 rec.outdoors.national-parks:2534 rec.outdoors.rv-travel:2317 alt.rec.camping:4472 alt.rv:2393 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.outdoors.marketplace Newsgroups line: rec.outdoors.marketplace All business related to the outdoors. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Oct 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Ralph Lindberg Votetaker: Jan Isley RATIONALE: There is currently no newsgroup intended for this purpose for the outdoor market. This results in unwanted ad's appearing in the related newsgroups. This newsgroup would provide a forum for those wishing to advertise, while not disrupting on-going discussions in other newsgroups. It is recognized that this newsgroup will not prevent unwanted buy/sell/services offered/services wanted posts in other newsgroups, but it will provide a forum for business activities. The proponent for this newsgroup has no affiliation with any commercial entity that may wish to use this newsgroup. CHARTER: rec.outdoors.marketplace rec.outdoors.marketplace will be open to businesses and persons wishing to buy and sell items of interest to the outdoor market. It will also be open to the offering or seeking of any services of interest to the outdoor market. Advertisements related to the outdoors and those that enjoy them is acceptable. Individuals who make their lively hood by selling camping equipment, services or those employed in the industry are welcome to participate. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: votes@bagend.atl.ga.us Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on rec.outdoors.marketplace I vote NO on rec.outdoors.marketplace You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL but these are not counted as valid votes for the total count. If your mail software does not indicate your real name, please also include the following statement and add your name (on the same line). Voter name: IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, please ask the votetaker. -- Jan Isley votes to: From votes@bagend.atl.ga.us Wed Oct 4 00:51:03 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jan Isley Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.backcountry,rec.climbing,rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.national-parks,rec.outdoors.rv-travel,alt.rec.camping,alt.rv Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.outdoors.marketplace Followup-To: poster Date: 4 Oct 1995 04:50:58 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 98 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 11 Oct 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <44t3ri$3da@rodan.UU.NET> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.outdoors.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7653 news.groups:169359 rec.backcountry:106981 rec.climbing:63253 rec.outdoors.fishing:21392 rec.outdoors.national-parks:2792 rec.outdoors.rv-travel:2636 alt.rec.camping:4587 alt.rv:2521 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.outdoors.marketplace Newsgroups line: rec.outdoors.marketplace All business related to the outdoors. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Oct 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Ralph Lindberg Votetaker: Jan Isley RATIONALE: rec.outdoors.marketplace There is currently no newsgroup intended for this purpose for the outdoor market. This results in unwanted ad's appearing in the related newsgroups. This newsgroup would provide a forum for those wishing to advertise, while not disrupting on-going discussions in other newsgroups. It is recognized that this newsgroup will not prevent unwanted buy/sell/services offered/services wanted posts in other newsgroups, but it will provide a forum for business activities. The proponent for this newsgroup has no affiliation with any commercial entity that may wish to use this newsgroup. CHARTER: rec.outdoors.marketplace rec.outdoors.marketplace will be open to businesses and persons wishing to buy and sell items of interest to the outdoor market. It will also be open to the offering or seeking of any services of interest to the outdoor market. Advertisements related to the outdoors and those that enjoy them is acceptable. Individuals who make their lively hood by selling camping equipment, services or those employed in the industry are welcome to participate. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: votes@bagend.atl.ga.us Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on rec.outdoors.marketplace I vote NO on rec.outdoors.marketplace You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL but these are not counted as valid votes for the total count. If your mail software does not indicate your real name, please also include the following statement and add your name (on the same line). Voter name: IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, please ask the votetaker. Votes in error --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 102367.2317@CompuServe.COM Brian Wasson ! No vote statement in message aab498@agora.ulaval.ca MANON DES GROSEILLIERS ! Conflicting votes Mike_Shafer@mlstand.com Mike_Shafer@mlstand.com ! No vote statement in message saber4@ix.netcom.com Bryan Rousseau ! No vote statement in message sponnath@primenet.com Steve Ponnath ! Conflicting votes From jan@bagend.atl.ga.us Wed Oct 11 12:13:18 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jan Isley Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.backcountry,rec.climbing,rec.outdoors.fishing,rec.outdoors.national-parks,rec.outdoors.rv-travel,alt.rec.camping,alt.rv Subject: RESULT: rec.outdoors.marketplace passes 159:21 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Oct 1995 16:13:08 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 267 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <45gqek$n77@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.outdoors.marketplace Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7689 news.groups:170006 rec.backcountry:107781 rec.climbing:63898 rec.outdoors.fishing:21627 rec.outdoors.national-parks:2864 rec.outdoors.rv-travel:2761 alt.rec.camping:4641 alt.rv:2599 RESULT unmoderated group rec.outdoors.marketplace passes 159:21 rec.outdoors.marketplace results - 180 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 159 21 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.outdoors.marketplace 1 abstaining vote and 8 invalid votes For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.outdoors.marketplace All business related to the outdoors. Voting closed on 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Oct 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Ralph Lindberg Votetaker: Jan Isley RATIONALE: rec.outdoors.marketplace There is currently no newsgroup intended for this purpose for the outdoor market. This results in unwanted ad's appearing in the related newsgroups. This newsgroup would provide a forum for those wishing to advertise, while not disrupting on-going discussions in other newsgroups. It is recognized that this newsgroup will not prevent unwanted buy/sell/services offered/services wanted posts in other newsgroups, but it will provide a forum for business activities. The proponent for this newsgroup has no affiliation with any commercial entity that may wish to use this newsgroup. CHARTER: rec.outdoors.marketplace rec.outdoors.marketplace will be open to businesses and persons wishing to buy and sell items of interest to the outdoor market. It will also be open to the offering or seeking of any services of interest to the outdoor market. Advertisements related to the outdoors and those that enjoy them is acceptable. Individuals who make their lively hood by selling camping equipment, services or those employed in the industry are welcome to participate. END CHARTER. rec.outdoors.marketplace Final Vote Ack Voted Yes --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 72623.471@compuserve.com David Patrick 92166@tayloru.edu Paul Perryman 99limezs@lab.cc.wmich.edu Santis Limezs ah05@festival.ed.ac.uk Gavin Whittaker ahall@cs.uml.edu Andrew Hall aldert@resbld.csc.ti.com Robert Aldert angler2@ix.netcom.com Orrin E. Brand/Mike Jackson asoroka@unixg.ubc.ca Allen Soroka bbroekin@wsnet.com Bob Broeking bioform@radix.net bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison bobhole@ibl.bm Robert Hole bsnell@enter.net Bill Snell c-harbin@ti.com Chris H. Harbin cadguru@sims.net Brian H. carron@j51.com Scott Carron caryn@halcyon.com Caryn Roberts catfish@bilbo.pic.net Blane C. Todd catseye@netcom.com Mark Kupferman cbm@telerama.lm.com Charles Manges cheller@clark.net Carolyn A. Heller CJOHNSON@MAINE.maine.edu cline+@SILVER.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Kenneth Cline cm103@freenet.carleton.ca Glen Rumbold coaster@islandnet.com Bill Pearson connie@MasPar.COM Connie Wilson csb4@acpub.duke.edu Charles Bracken curtiss@Onramp.NET Curtis Anderson dany@teleport.com Daniel Youngquist david_hitchcock@runegate.co.uk David Hitchcock dbrouwer@mail.got.net Doug Brouwer dkassel@iadfw.net Dale Kassel dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu Donald R. Newcomb doctor@doctor.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca Dave Shariff Yadallee dragonsl@scn.org Ralph Lindberg drake@oasys.dt.navy.mil John Drake drlarson@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu Derek R. Larson ed@ada1.ssd.hcsc.com Ed Kelly ellis@netcom.com Rick Ellis elmar@ocf.Berkeley.EDU Elmar Stefke engo@leland.Stanford.EDU Daniel V Engovatov eugene@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov Eugene N. Miya EVANF@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU FREEMAN, EVAN MARCH feminist@eskimo.com William Affleck-Asch FishProds@aol.com Russ Walling fr@icdi10.compu.com W. Fred Rump glen@xmission.com Glen Mann gmager@teleport.com Gary Mager goochb@rwi.com William D. Gooch GordonW1@aol.com Gordon White Greene_Joseph_W@hq.navsea.navy.mil gschultz@freenet.columbus.oh.us Gwynn Schultz gstump@epix.net Jerry Stump gzagursk@runet.edu Gregory Zagursky harold_e_amos@nslc.fmso.navy.mil hartman@cldx.com Gary Hartman HILL@platte.unk.edu Brian J. Hill hkpro.ab@pi.se Gail Watt hwang@cisco.com Han-Cheng Wang irving3@ix.netcom.com I.R. Armstrong III iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk Ian Jackson jackal@primenet.com Jack Atkin JDAVIS@vax.clarku.edu Jef Davis jdubovsk@vt.edu Jonathan L. Dubovsky Jesse_Brotz@brown.edu Jesse Brotz jeve@freenet.scri.fsu.edu John Eveland jfass@pipeline.com Jeffrey Fass jfpereira@7401.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com Jose F. Pereira jgrooney@digital.com John Rooney jimcal@vm.cc.latech.edu James A. Calloway Jkrytus@cris.com JKRYTUS joe@decoy.uoregon.edu Joe St Sauver John.Smallman@telos.org John Smallman johnprtl@vnet.net John Purtell jonboy@io.org Trevor Tymchuk jpt@Think.COM James P. Taylor kb@ashby.ncd.com Kevin Bryan kdk4166@usl.edu Knierim Kathleen D kend@csufresno.edu Ken Diliberto kirchner@unix.cie.rpi.edu Eric Kirchner kjetil.kjernsmo@fys.uio.no Kjetil Kjernsmo kklenk@darwin.cc.nd.edu kevin klenk kunal@panix.com Kunal Singh lafay@conch.aa.msen.com Rick LaFay lance@rahul.net Lance K. Chun lbow@protocom.com Lee_Hines@smtp.svl.trw.com Lee Hines levined@ccmail.nhq.sony.com David Levine list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder lsaldana@netconnection.com Lori Saldana luriep@tiac.net Pete Lurie M001MAH.emshost.EMSHOST.MARSHALL@001.marshall.com Michael Huffstatler MAHESPENHEID@POMONA.EDU margolis@otal.umd.edu Michael Margolis mark@rds.net Mark Williams matthewo@infinet.com Matthew Osborn metzlers@stripe.Colorado.EDU taimi metzler michalpr@netvision.net.il Yaron Levite mikem@globaladventures.com Mike McPike mmuncy@ix.netcom.com Mike Muncy mnowacki@wchat.on.ca Mike Nowacki monty@mailhost.gg.caltech.edu Mark "Monty" Montague mskaye@sol.racsa.co.cr Michael Kaye mwdaniel@students.uiuc.edu Michael W. Daniels Navysailr@aol.com Chris Merkel nick@ossi.com Suttipong Kanakakorn nilcarbo@ozemail.com.au Geoff Wilson njshih@rosarita.engr.ucdavis.edu Neng-Jen Shih oldsma@clark.net Manny Olds paul@dciem.dnd.ca Paul Sarkar Pequea@aol.com don brosius pmpsoft@crl.com Ahti Eric Rovainen price@raycharles.usc.edu Keith Price pssao@csv.warwick.ac.uk Stu Binnie pteachou@eagle1.eaglenet.com Phlete R. Teachout PVVJ63A@prodigy.com MR JERRY W AHLBERG rdediema@uceng.uc.edu Robert S Dediemar rdm@wdl.loral.com Bob Manich rexmba@aol.com Hunter Allen rhtung@grissom.jpl.nasa.gov Ramona Tung rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller rmalheiro@tpone.telepac.pt Rui Malheiro rmarkham@VNET.IBM.COM robb@scd.hp.com Rob Burgoon Robert.Wood@Eng.Sun.COM Rob Wood Ron.Milliman@WKU.EDU ronfaith@nash.pubnix.net Rick Braley ruswhite@netwest.com Russell W. White rw@unx.dec.com Bob Wu Sarah.B.Inwood@Dartmouth.EDU Sarah B. Inwood scf@w0x0f.com Steve Fenwick scott.mace@lbow.com Scott Mace seaslim@Onramp.NET Harold Holcomb Shapard.Wolf@asu.edu Shapard Wolf shawn@s109.es.llnl.gov Shawn Larsen shirtmon@ix.netcom.com Steven K. Smith Shrisha.Rao@lambada.oit.unc.edu Shrisha Rao shunt@redpnt.com Steve Hunt sjnov@creighton.edu Thomas D Tynan SJ skhatri@hot.caltech.edu Sven "CocoaNut" Khatri SKlein@megaweb.com Scott Klein snt@premier1.net Roy Harvey sstaiger@chemfin.com Sarah Reinbolt-Staiger ST923310@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU JOHN DROLLETTE strom@acuson.com Dennis Strom summit@CyberGate.COM Kirk Huzenga susan@binky.ICS.UCI.EDU Susan Moore tbeck@UNIX.ATK.COM Thomas J. Beck tharkun@nwlink.com Craig Reed TJNYE@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Tim Nye tkowen@hooked.net Tom Owen tlawson@email.develop.american.edu Todd C. Lawson tlyon@slate.Mines.EDU wbrunner@jax.jaxnet.com Mike Tennent willhelm@ix.netcom.com BILL DILLSTROM wlp@pca.mv.com William L. Penney wpcomer@ix.netcom.com William Patrick Comer yohanan@ssd.fsi.com Tom Yohanan Zapitb4@aol.com Voted No --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ae613@torfree.net Cheryl Gamus chip@unicom.com Chip Rosenthal chris_gill@uk.ibm.com Chris Gill csaamw@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers David.Paul@uchsc.edu David Paul dshanks@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com Dave Shanks floydj@worf.netins.net Floyd Johnson geo@QBC.Clic.Net George Petryk gwmunson@midway.uchicago.edu Gregory William Munson jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson kniaz@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu Krzysztof Kniaz mhuang@ninkasi.bu.edu maohai huang mmt@RedBrick.COM M Mike Taksar olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar Ollivier.Robert@hsc.fr.net Ollivier Robert ryang@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Glen Patrick Ryan smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown tgades@u.washington.edu Anthony M. Gades todd@linex.com Todd Ourston widenius@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius Abstained --------------------------------------------------------------------------- crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com Kenneth P Crouch Votes in error --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 102367.2317@CompuServe.COM Brian Wasson ! No vote statement in message aab498@agora.ulaval.ca MANON DES GROSEILLIERS ! Conflicting votes ChrisW8870@aol.com ! No vote statement in message Mike_Shafer@mlstand.com Mike Shafer ! No vote statement in message saber4@ix.netcom.com Bryan Rousseau ! No vote statement in message smork@primenet.com Steve Mork ! No vote statement in message sponnath@primenet.com Steve Ponnath ! Conflicting votes TOMCAT@dsa.unt.edu ! No vote statement in message