From renegade@dsm1.dsmnet.com Thu Feb 22 17:23:26 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: renegade@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Britt Pierce) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.info Subject: RFD: rec.music.artists.journey Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Feb 1996 22:23:23 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 67 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <825027800.9667@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.music.artists.journey Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8285 news.groups:190839 rec.music.info:6439 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.music.artists.journey This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of 2 newsgroups in the music hierarchy. This is not a Call For Votes (CVF); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroups line: rec.music.artists.journey The rock band Journey and its members projects. RATIONALE: rec.music.artists.journey The time has come for a Journey newsgroup. There is currently an Email list but it's membership and activity has grown to a point to where the server can no longer support the Email traffic that it generates. There are roughly 300 people currently on the Email list. At times it has generated over 100 pieces of mail a day. People have even attempted to send binary files (.WAV files) through the list and caused problems. In short, we have outgrown the Email list and need a newsgroup. CHARTER: rec.music.artists.journey This newsgroup will carry discussion about Journey, members solo projects, outside projects, and bands that have a connection to Journey. It will carry traffic about current news, rumors, and future events (concerts, etc.) END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for about one month. Please ONLY discuss the proposal in the group news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a "Call for Votes" (CFV) will be posted. As I understand it, these are the rules for the passing of a new newsgroup: To pass a new Newsgroup: There must be 100 more YES votes than NO and at least 2/3 of the votes recieved are YES. The votes are received and counted by a neutral party. So, if you would like a newsgroup created for Journey, please participate in this discussion period and, when the time comes, vote for the newsgroup. I would encourage everybody to pass this message and get as many people involved in this process as possible. Remember, ONLY post to news.groups to participate in the discussoin period. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: rec.music.info, news.admin.hierarchies, news.announce.newgroups (Mod), news.groups It was also Emailed to the Journey Email list. If readers know of other newsgroups, mailing lists, or individuals who would be interested in this article, please forward this RFD. Proponent: Britt Pierce From david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu Tue Mar 19 19:06:09 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu (David Bostwick) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.info,rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.classic,alt.rock-n-roll.hard Subject: CFV: rec.music.artists.journey Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Mar 1996 00:06:34 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Lines: 93 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 11 Apr 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <827280392.14899@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.music.artists.journey Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8417 news.groups:195192 rec.music.info:6474 rec.music.misc:200250 alt.rock-n-roll:91414 alt.rock-n-roll.classic:24288 alt.rock-n-roll.hard:16954 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.music.artists.journey Newsgroups line: rec.music.artists.journey The rock band Journey and its members projects. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Apr 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the voting process should be directed to the votetaker. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Britt Pierce Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: rec.music.artists.journey The time has come for a Journey newsgroup. There is currently an Email list but it's membership and activity has grown to a point to where the server can no longer support the Email traffic that it generates. There are roughly 300 people currently on the Email list. At times it has generated over 100 pieces of mail a day. People have even attempted to send binary files (.WAV files) through the list and caused problems. In short, we have outgrown the Email list and need a newsgroup. CHARTER: rec.music.artists.journey This newsgroup will carry discussion about Journey, members solo projects, outside projects, and bands that have a connection to Journey. It will carry traffic about current news, rumors, and future events (concerts, etc.) END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Delete everything above the top "-=-=-" line and delete everything below the bottom -=-=-" line. Do not change anything between these lines, except to add your name and vote. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, put your vote in the brackets next to the group name. Valid entries are ABSTAIN, CANCEL, NO, and YES. Anything else may generate an invalid vote. Don't worry about changes in spacing or any quote characters (">") that your reply may insert. Mail the ballot to . Just replying to this should work, but check the "To:" line. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited ballots is considered vote fraud. Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Votes will be acknowleged by e-mail. If you have not received an acknowledgement within a few days, contact the votetaker. It is your responsibility to be certain your vote has been recorded correctly. If you want to change your vote, you may vote again, but only the latest vote will be counted. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final vote ack. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of people who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted in news.groups. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -=-=- BEGINNING OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING ABOVE THIS LINE =-=-=-=-=-=-= This ballot is available only from postings | FIRST CALL FOR VOTES | in news.groups or by e-mail from the | REC.MUSIC.ARTISTS.JOURNEY | votetaker. It is distributed blank. Votes | | are counted by computer, and failure to use ============================= this ballot increases the possibility that the software will be unable to process your vote properly. Do not edit this ballot except to add your name and indicate your vote. These are examples of how to mark the ballot. Do not vote here. [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstain.vote [ CANCEL ] example.cancel.vote The placement of the word within the brackets is not important, but use the complete word, not just one letter. Enter your name and indicate your vote in the spaces below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give your real name here: If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected. [Your Vote] Group (Place your vote below in the brackets next to the group) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.music.artists.journey -=-=-=-= END OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE =-=-=-=-=-=-= From david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu Mon Apr 1 09:25:28 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu (David Bostwick) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.info,rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.classic,alt.rock-n-roll.hard Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.music.artists.journey Supersedes: <827280392.14899@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 1 Apr 1996 14:25:22 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Lines: 93 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 11 Apr 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <828368718.8919@uunet.uu.net> References: <827280392.14899@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.music.artists.journey Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8478 news.groups:198763 rec.music.info:6493 rec.music.misc:201256 alt.rock-n-roll:92003 alt.rock-n-roll.classic:24575 alt.rock-n-roll.hard:17221 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.music.artists.journey Newsgroups line: rec.music.artists.journey The rock band Journey and its members projects. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Apr 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the voting process should be directed to the votetaker. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Britt Pierce Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: rec.music.artists.journey The time has come for a Journey newsgroup. There is currently an Email list but it's membership and activity has grown to a point to where the server can no longer support the Email traffic that it generates. There are roughly 300 people currently on the Email list. At times it has generated over 100 pieces of mail a day. People have even attempted to send binary files (.WAV files) through the list and caused problems. In short, we have outgrown the Email list and need a newsgroup. CHARTER: rec.music.artists.journey This newsgroup will carry discussion about Journey, members solo projects, outside projects, and bands that have a connection to Journey. It will carry traffic about current news, rumors, and future events (concerts, etc.) END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Delete everything above the top "-=-=-" line and delete everything below the bottom -=-=-" line. Do not change anything between these lines, except to add your name and vote. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, put your vote in the brackets next to the group name. Valid entries are ABSTAIN, CANCEL, NO, and YES. Anything else may generate an invalid vote. Don't worry about changes in spacing or any quote characters (">") that your reply may insert. Mail the ballot to . Just replying to this should work, but check the "To:" line. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited ballots is considered vote fraud. Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Votes will be acknowleged by e-mail. If you have not received an acknowledgement within a few days, contact the votetaker. It is your responsibility to be certain your vote has been recorded correctly. If you want to change your vote, you may vote again, but only the latest vote will be counted. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final vote ack. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of people who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted in news.groups. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -=-=- BEGINNING OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING ABOVE THIS LINE =-=-=-=-=-=-= This ballot is available only from postings | LAST CALL FOR VOTES | in news.groups or by e-mail from the | REC.MUSIC.ARTISTS.JOURNEY | votetaker. It is distributed blank. Votes | | are counted by computer, and failure to use ============================= this ballot increases the possibility that the software will be unable to process your vote properly. Do not edit this ballot except to add your name and indicate your vote. These are examples of how to mark the ballot. Do not vote here. [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstain.vote [ CANCEL ] example.cancel.vote The placement of the word within the brackets is not important, but use the complete word, not just one letter. Enter your name and indicate your vote in the spaces below. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give your real name here: If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected. [Your Vote] Group (Place your vote below in the brackets next to the group) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.music.artists.journey -=-=-=-= END OF BALLOT: DELETE EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE =-=-=-=-=-=-= From david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu Thu Apr 11 10:56:01 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: david.bostwick@chemistry.gatech.edu (David Bostwick) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.info,rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.classic,alt.rock-n-roll.hard Subject: RESULT: rec.music.artists.journey fails 129:41 Supersedes: <828368718.8919@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Apr 1996 10:55:36 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Lines: 238 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <829234337.13612@uunet.uu.net> References: <828368718.8919@uunet.uu.net> <827280392.14899@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.music.artists.journey Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8537 news.groups:200699 rec.music.info:6509 rec.music.misc:202019 alt.rock-n-roll:92502 alt.rock-n-roll.classic:24781 alt.rock-n-roll.hard:17572 RESULT unmoderated group rec.music.artists.journey fails 129:41 There were 129 YES votes and 41 NO votes, for a total of 170 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroups line: rec.music.artists.journey The rock band Journey and its members projects. The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Apr 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the voting process should be directed to the votetaker. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Britt Pierce Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: rec.music.artists.journey The time has come for a Journey newsgroup. There is currently an Email list but it's membership and activity has grown to a point to where the server can no longer support the Email traffic that it generates. There are roughly 300 people currently on the Email list. At times it has generated over 100 pieces of mail a day. People have even attempted to send binary files (.WAV files) through the list and caused problems. In short, we have outgrown the Email list and need a newsgroup. CHARTER: rec.music.artists.journey This newsgroup will carry discussion about Journey, members solo projects, outside projects, and bands that have a connection to Journey. It will carry traffic about current news, rumors, and future events (concerts, etc.) END CHARTER. rec.music.artists.journey Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 111111.257@CompuServe.COM Chris Valachovic 70004.3614@CompuServe.COM Brett Valachovic 73742.1342@compuserve.com Cheri Mays 75104.121@CompuServe.COM James D. Corey acclagho@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu Audry C. Claghorn adams@library.vanderbilt.edu Rachel L. Adams Annemarie.deBont@kub.nl Anne-Marie Nijssen-de Bont asdamick@unity.ncsu.edu Andrew S. Damick awywttwyni@aol.com Susanne Duve bb748@freenet.carleton.ca Milton Kleim bmmoore@indyvax.iupui.edu Brian Moore bombard@tiac.net Rob Bombard bstevens1@iquest.net Brian D. Stevens buf@ix.netcom.com Bruce A Bufalini CAMPER@DSCC.CC.TN.US DIANE CAMPER catseye@netcom.com Mark Kupferman claire@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM Claire S. clausdj@gw.startribune.com David Clausen cls48@columbia.edu Chris Stamper cmyers@seabase.com Cheryl Myers curt@execpc.com Curtis V. Shambeau CWatson450@aol.com Christina Watson daria.pettorossi@gsa.gov Daria Pettorossi davidr@ea.oac.uci.edu David Rodriguez ddinkler@pennet.net David Dinkler dhardman@ix.netcom.com David L. Hardman, Jr. dmrile@most.fw.hac.com Dale M. Riley DONNAS113@aol.com Donna Shapiro donreese@cp.duluth.mn.us Don Reese dons@olympus.net Don Schmelling dschen@cs.Buffalo.EDU Daniel S Chen DShone@mail.utexas.edu Donna Shone dyerp@actrix.gen.nz Philip Dyer edbook@alpha.clarion-net.com Edward E. Book edurks@buttenet.com Eric Durkin ematias@cs.toronto.edu Mark Rosteck fantom@slip.net Thomas Pruett FarsonK@TAMUG3.TAMU.EDU Kim Farson fred@advtel.net Frederick J. Barnett Fridge69@aol.com Robert J Fernandez galang_d@apollo.hp.com Dominick M. Galang gcollier@ix.netcom.com Gail Collier glenifer@k2nesoft.com Jennifer Hope Walker, Esq. goathunter@LOKI.COM Hunter Goatley green1@gaul.csd.uwo.ca RICHARD ANTOSIK h-boers@dds.nl Harald Boers Heathers@moran.com Heather Scher i000370@disch3.disc.dla.mil Martin J Coghlan III jad27310@marauder.millersv.edu Jennifer Dinkler jddionne@students.wisc.edu James Dionne JLomba6007@aol.com Juana (Jo) Lombardi jmurfin@worldnet.att.net Jeff Murfin john.wiest@24stex.com John Wiest jpb@iti-oh.com Jeremy Black Jrney05@aol.com Victor Herrera jrnyfan@wilmington.net Brian Martin jsparina@pacific.net.sg Jasparina Mahyat kate@rigel.econ.uga.edu Kate Wrightson kdrew@nd.edu Ken Drew KENL@isr.umich.edu Ken Logerquist KENNY@Imagination.Com Kenny Bunch kim@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn kirc5650@kutztown.edu Adam K. Kirchhoff kkinnea@bgnet.bgsu.edu Kristen Kinnear koberry@zoom.com Ken O' Berry kxd@genrad.com Kevin Dodge lbrains@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM Laura Rains LILDUMY@aol.com BRENDA LEITZOW LindaH33@aol.com LINDA HULL littaum@unm.edu Mike Littau M.Riesenbeck@net.HCC.nl Michael Riesenbeck mak@hpfs1.physik.uni-jena.de M. Kubitza mckeough@Mayo.EDU Timothy McKeough MEATPADDLE@aol.com Donna A. Berdel MIWolff@aol.com Michael Wolff mjansen@csd.uwm.edu Mark Jansen morgand@wmpenn.edu Dan Morgan mridge@micron.net Mike Ridgeway mtbier@most.fw.hac.com Michael T. Biers mtbrq@mailserv.mta.ca Mario T. Bourque Muzickat@aol.com Kathy Wallis N.Cattrell@csc.liv.ac.uk Nikki Cattrell nina@irf.se Nina Brynefall NJulian@aol.com Nancy Julian no.6@tommie.tmisnet.com Michael A. Goodall orn@vega.st.statoil.no Oyvind Ornes pattym@bdsnet.com Patty Masten paxil@interlog.com Trevor Tymchuk pck@cs.Buffalo.EDU P.C. Klinskas peter@cs.uni-sb.de Peter Schwarz PeterG@bhmsatro.powernet.co.uk Peter Gallant philb@codd-date.win-uk.net Phil Boswell piranha@techline.com Mike Pirianian plaine@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu Paula Laine r.hunter4@genie.com Becky Hunter RAP115@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Rob Polinsky RAS95ADE@lustudat.student.lu.se Ozzie Adenborg RENEGADE@dsm1.dsmnet.com Britt Pierce rick@bcm.tmc.edu Ricahrd Miller ricktasher@aol.com Rick Tasher ritchi@telebyte.nl David Ritchi scottm@POST.Almac.Co.UK S Malinda MacIntyre scottzink@aol.com Scott Zink scott_s@primenet.com Scott Shimmin sdlake@idirect.com Steven Lake sfdavis@mailhost.hooked.net Scott Davis skitchen@mars.superlink.net Scott Kitchen smokin@libertel.montreal.qc.ca Joseph Hogan starman@cnj.digex.net Michael E. Gaines stefanowicz@stowoa.ENET.dec.com Bill Stefanowicz sussman@deltanet.com Sheryl Sussman svetlana@cc.fc.ul.pt Miguel Goncalves sylvar@grove.ufl.EDU Ben Ostrowsky TaTaChris@aol.com Christi-Ann Turgeon tblasy@btigate.com Todd M Blasy tdokken@sn.no Terje Dokken tgriff@ix.netcom.com Tom Griffin theglide@teleport.com Christopher Dresser TicoC@aol.com Hector G. Calzada, Jr. tshaine@pbinet.com Ted Shaine twebb@cswnet.com BrYan Westbrook us023924@interramp.com Michael P. Hogue uzscac@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Soenke Kummer w6bu@unb.ca Elizabeth Palmer watanabe@Zaiko0.zaiko.kyushu-u.ac.jp Fumiya Watanabe wegiel@huey.met.fsu.edu Jerry Wegiel Zebralover@aol.com Linda Mueller ZXNF46A@prodigy.com Ann Kaminski z_nguyenth@TITAN.SFASU.EDU Thanh Huy Nguyen Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ afabbro@us.itd.umich.edu Andrew Fabbro afarrell@maths.tcd.ie Andrew Farrell atkinsj@alleg.edu Josh Atkins bdh4@midway.uchicago.edu David Wren-Hardin booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda bresnab@tiac.net Brian Bresnahan csaamw@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers David.Wright.0698886@bnr.co.uk David Wright dc@panix.com David Crawford devuns@alsys.com Olivier Devuns docangst@mcs.com Jeff Williamson frick-a@nwu.edu Jeff Friedman fuy1@gl.umbc.edu Francis Uy greg@ohs.uwo.ca Greg Chapman hermit@cats.ucsc.edu William R Ward JAMESK@hermes.bc.edu Kevin James jdmellee@cs1.presby.edu Jason D Lee jpc@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark juphoff@tarsier.cv.nrao.edu Jeff Uphoff khan@cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan LSEAMANS@mu3.millersv.edu Lynne Seamans mingus@novell.com Marcel-Franck Simon, mkwong@sdcc13.ucsd.edu Myra Wong ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu Michael Loomis olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar Ollivier.Robert@hsc.fr.net Ollivier Robert palmer@ansoft.com Palmer Davis phillips@bright.uoregon.edu Chris Phillips pierre@shell.portal.com Pierre Uszynski qut@netcom.com Dave Harman rbayne@aw.sgi.com Ryan Bayne ryang@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu G. Ryan rzuw039@rz.uni-wuerzburg.de Juergen Weinelt sam@sam.franken.de Sassan Simai smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown tbas@sybase.com Tony Basoglu tgm@netcom.com Thomas G. McWilliams TJASKIEW@us.oracle.com Tom Jaskiewicz tlawson@email.univpubs.american.edu Todd C. Lawson vagrant@wwa.com Guy Umbright Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ mmt@RedBrick.COM M Mike Taksar Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ bmclou@198.4.75.45 BrendanMcLoughlin ! No ballot HZAR17A@prodigy.com EAMON P MITCHELL ! No ballot NOSAKOWSKI@CSMC.EDU Karen Nosakowski, Cardiology Research, x 6034 ! No vote statement in message sysop@euro.se Gent Larsson ! Invalid address