From themagpie@delphi.com Tue Aug 16 16:36:05 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: themagpie@delphi.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.gambling,rec.games.bridge,rec.games.misc Subject: RFD: rec.games.playing-cards Followup-To: news.groups Date: 16 Aug 1994 16:12:49 -0400 Organization: delphi.com Lines: 30 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <32r6k1$5iq@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5514 news.groups:112671 rec.gambling:32205 rec.games.bridge:25972 rec.games.misc:45212 This is a Request For Discussion to create the new Usenet group rec.games.playing-cards. Information on the proposed group: Newsgroups line: rec.games.playing-cards Games which use playing cards. Status: Unmoderated Charter: This group is for discussion of games played with playing cards. This includes the usual American 52-card deck, subsets and multiples (including jokers) or it, and the traditional decks of other countries. Thus, such games as Hearts, Piquet, Canasta, and War of Flowers would all be legitimate subjects for this group. The only exceptions are games which already have a group, such as Poker (which is commonly discussed on rec.gambling) and Bridge (which has rec.games.bridge). Note: this group is NOT intended for discussion of trading-card games such as Magic: the Gathering or Illuminati: the New World Order. Rationale: While games such as the ones mentioned above are very popular, in both face-to-face and computer versions, there is currently no Usenet group on which they can reasonably be discussed (as rec.games.misc is almost entirely about computer games). This has led to such oddities as Hearts discussion on rec.games.bridge. From jfurr@acpub.duke.edu Thu Jan 12 14:07:21 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jfurr@acpub.duke.edu (Joel K. Furr) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.gambling,rec.games.bridge,rec.games.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.games.playing-cards Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:17:49 -0500 Organization: Duke University - Birthplace of USENET Lines: 55 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <3f3rod$667@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6183 news.groups:129470 rec.gambling:42053 rec.games.bridge:31047 rec.games.misc:46989 Andy Lipscomb Mthemagpie@delphi.com> posted an RFD for rec.games.playing-cards on August 16, 1994. The response was favorable and Andy indicated that he planned to take it a vote. Unfortunately, he did not do so due to unexplained problems which he referred to in a post to news.groups in September or October. I am re-issuing this RFD in order to start the ball rolling again. The text which follows is Lipscomb's original text, unedited. During the 1st RFD, two categories of comments were made: * hey, why not include that card game "Magic, The Gathering?" and * hey, why rule poker out of bounds for the new group? Magic, The Gathering obviously has enough groups and it would be foolish to try to drag the trading-cards groups under yet another new hierarchy. As for poker being included, I am content either way; poker is one of the main subjects in rec.gambling but if people *want* to discuss it in rec.games.playing-cards, I wouldn't mind changing the charter. ------------------- This is a Request For Discussion to create the new Usenet group rec.games.playing-cards. Information on the proposed group: Newsgroups line: rec.games.playing-cards Games which use playing cards. Status: Unmoderated Charter: This group is for discussion of games played with playing cards. This includes the usual American 52-card deck, subsets and multiples (including jokers) or it, and the traditional decks of other countries. Thus, such games as Hearts, Piquet, Canasta, and War of Flowers would all be legitimate subjects for this group. The only exceptions are games which already have a group, such as Poker (which is commonly discussed on rec.gambling) and Bridge (which has rec.games.bridge). Note: this group is NOT intended for discussion of trading-card games such as Magic: the Gathering or Illuminati: the New World Order. Rationale: While games such as the ones mentioned above are very popular, in both face-to-face and computer versions, there is currently no Usenet group on which they can reasonably be discussed (as rec.games.misc is almost entirely about computer games). This has led to such oddities as Hearts discussion on rec.games.bridge. From jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Fri Mar 17 23:05:48 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.misc,rec.games.bridge,rec.gambling,rec.misc,rec.games.abstract Subject: CFV: rec.games.playing-cards Followup-To: poster Date: 17 Mar 1995 22:49:02 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 73 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 9 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: <32r6k1$5iq@rodan.UU.NET> Reply-To: votes@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6450 news.groups:139932 rec.games.misc:48152 rec.games.bridge:33596 rec.gambling:47845 rec.misc:3748 rec.games.abstract:3287 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.games.playing-cards Newsgroups line: rec.games.playing-cards Recreational (non-gambling) card playing. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 8 April 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Joel Furr (jfurr@danger.com). CHARTER This group is for discussion of games played with playing cards. This includes the usual American 52-card deck, subsets and multiples (including jokers) or it, and the traditional decks of other countries. Thus, such games as Hearts, Spades, Piquet, Canasta, War, and Euchre would all be legitimate subjects for this group. The only exceptions are games which already have a group, such as Poker (which is commonly discussed on rec.gambling) and Bridge (which has rec.games.bridge). The gambling aspect of card-playing should be discussed on rec.gambling, as should any card games commonly played for monetary stakes. Note: this group is NOT intended for discussion of trading-card games such as Magic: the Gathering or Illuminati: the New World Order. The rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy is the appropriate place for discussion of collectible card games. Rationale: While games such as the ones mentioned above are very popular, in both face-to-face and computer versions, there is currently no Usenet group on which they can reasonably be discussed (as rec.games.misc is almost entirely about computer games). This has led to such oddities as Hearts discussion on rec.games.bridge. Card-playing is very popular but, as noted above, there is no suitable place on USENET to discuss the subject. Please also note that despite the oft-stated wish of a small number of namespace purists to come up with a hierarchy in which both playing card games and trading card games can fit, the rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy has just come into existence within the last few months (the third reorganization of the trading cards groups so far) and it does not seem worthwhile to inconvenience everyone associated with those groups and ask to move them yet again. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: votes@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.games.playing-cards I vote NO on rec.games.playing-cards You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity. "All is strange and vague." "Are we dead?" "Or is this Ohio?" -- Yakko and Dot Warner From jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Mon Mar 27 17:48:29 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.misc,rec.games.bridge,rec.gambling,rec.misc,rec.games.abstract Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.games.playing-cards Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 27 Mar 1995 17:22:55 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 72 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 9 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: <32r6k1$5iq@rodan.UU.NET> Reply-To: votes@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6509 news.groups:141517 rec.games.misc:48423 rec.games.bridge:34009 rec.gambling:48930 rec.misc:3779 rec.games.abstract:3321 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.games.playing-cards Newsgroups line: rec.games.playing-cards Recreational (non-gambling) card playing. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 8 April 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Joel Furr (jfurr@danger.com). CHARTER This group is for discussion of games played with playing cards. This includes the usual American 52-card deck, subsets and multiples (including jokers) or it, and the traditional decks of other countries. Thus, such games as Hearts, Spades, Piquet, Canasta, War, and Euchre would all be legitimate subjects for this group. The only exceptions are games which already have a group, such as Poker (which is commonly discussed on rec.gambling) and Bridge (which has rec.games.bridge). The gambling aspect of card-playing should be discussed on rec.gambling, as should any card games commonly played for monetary stakes. Note: this group is NOT intended for discussion of trading-card games such as Magic: the Gathering or Illuminati: the New World Order. The rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy is the appropriate place for discussion of collectible card games. Rationale: While games such as the ones mentioned above are very popular, in both face-to-face and computer versions, there is currently no Usenet group on which they can reasonably be discussed (as rec.games.misc is almost entirely about computer games). This has led to such oddities as Hearts discussion on rec.games.bridge. Card-playing is very popular but, as noted above, there is no suitable place on USENET to discuss the subject. Please also note that despite the oft-stated wish of a small number of namespace purists to come up with a hierarchy in which both playing card games and trading card games can fit, the rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy has just come into existence within the last few months (the third reorganization of the trading cards groups so far) and it does not seem worthwhile to inconvenience everyone associated with those groups and ask to move them yet again. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: votes@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.games.playing-cards I vote NO on rec.games.playing-cards You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity. "Jack Sprat could eat no fat...so he became macrobiotic and a giant pain in the neck." -- Dot Warner, "Jack Sprat" From jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Fri Apr 14 17:42:12 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.misc,rec.games.bridge,rec.gambling,rec.misc,rec.games.abstract Subject: RESULT: rec.games.playing-cards passes 191:26 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Apr 1995 18:16:46 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 302 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: <32r6k1$5iq@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6599 news.groups:144345 rec.games.misc:48726 rec.games.bridge:34665 rec.gambling:50776 rec.misc:3830 rec.games.abstract:3404 RESULT unmoderated group rec.games.playing-cards passes 191:26 There were 191 YES votes and 26 NO votes, for a total of 217 valid votes. There were 2 abstains and 3 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.games.playing-cards Recreational (non-gambling) card playing. Voting ended 23:59:59 UTC, 8 April 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Jay Maynard, at jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu. For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Joel Furr (jfurr@danger.com). CHARTER This group is for discussion of games played with playing cards. This includes the usual American 52-card deck, subsets and multiples (including jokers) or it, and the traditional decks of other countries. Thus, such games as Hearts, Spades, Piquet, Canasta, War, and Euchre would all be legitimate subjects for this group. The only exceptions are games which already have a group, such as Poker (which is commonly discussed on rec.gambling) and Bridge (which has rec.games.bridge). The gambling aspect of card-playing should be discussed on rec.gambling, as should any card games commonly played for monetary stakes. Note: this group is NOT intended for discussion of trading-card games such as Magic: the Gathering or Illuminati: the New World Order. The rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy is the appropriate place for discussion of collectible card games. Rationale: While games such as the ones mentioned above are very popular, in both face-to-face and computer versions, there is currently no Usenet group on which they can reasonably be discussed (as rec.games.misc is almost entirely about computer games). This has led to such oddities as Hearts discussion on rec.games.bridge. Card-playing is very popular but, as noted above, there is no suitable place on USENET to discuss the subject. Please also note that despite the oft-stated wish of a small number of namespace purists to come up with a hierarchy in which both playing card games and trading card games can fit, the rec.games.trading-cards.* hierarchy has just come into existence within the last few months (the third reorganization of the trading cards groups so far) and it does not seem worthwhile to inconvenience everyone associated with those groups and ask to move them yet again. rec.games.playing-cards Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 100063.706@compuserve.com Sally Prime 72133.3621@compuserve.com Nick Wedd adamw@panix.com Adam Wildavsky altus@leland.Stanford.EDU Steve Altus andy@gea.lif.icnet.uk Andrei Grigoriev andyl@harlequin.com Andy Latto antkam@MIT.EDU aq353@freenet.carleton.ca Morag York ault@cs.albany.edu Jim Ault awc@dce.vic.gov.au Allister Coots bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Ed Bailey bainard@mailhost.nmt.edu Phillip B. Hume bauerle@crypt.erie.ge.com Ron Bauerle bell@math.uchicago.edu Rowen Bell bengtl@maths.lth.se Bengt Larsson berto@and.nl Bert van Oortmarssen bill@osf.org Bill Masek bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison bkuhn@justice.loyola.edu Bradley M. Kuhn blaas@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at Christian Blaas (herzog) bobr@aa.net Robert F. Richardson Bryce_Jasmer@NeXT.COM Bryce Jasmer bspencer@CS.McGill.CA Brian SPENCER cadesjar@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca Chewbacca Cedomir.Igaly@srce.hr Cedomir Igaly cfulmer@pnc-pimc.com Catherine Fulmer charlesm@ags.ags.com.au charlesm chris@cosmic.dinoco.de Christian Much compass@seanet.com David Dailey crb11@cus.cam.ac.uk Colin Bell crodeff@eng.clemson.edu clark rodeffer crosond@opim.wharton.upenn.edu David C. Croson dak988s@nic.smsu.edu Keener Darin dan.r@ix.netcom.com Dan Rothschild dant@io.com Dan A Thompson darse@cs.ualberta.ca Darse Billings davidsen@tmr.com bill davidsen delaney@xn.ll.mit.edu dfobare@ic.net David Fobare dkeisen@netcom.com Dave Eisen don@genmagic.com Don Woods dougp@alumni.caltech.edu Doug Peterson dr_legge@postoffice.utas.edu.au David Legge dseal@armltd.co.uk David Seal dwiseman@erim.org Dave Wiseman echack@crl.com Edmund C. Hack eiji@netmarket.com Eiji Hirai ekraft@netcom.com Erik Kraft elissa@worf.infonet.net Elissa O'Bryan eric@cs.ualberta.ca Eric Holleman eyhung@garnet.berkeley.edu Eugene Hung fischer@cse.unsw.edu.au Stephen Fischer fsgrb@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Gordon R. Bower fuy1@gl.umbc.edu Francis A Uy gambler@iac.net Bob Rosenberger ghsst6+@pitt.edu gische@CS.Stanford.EDU Jason Robert Gische goeken@iastate.edu groo@netcom.com Kiran Wagle hairy@sloth.equinox.gen.nz Phil Anderson hale@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu Bill Hale hdesk@lanminds.com Barbara Crawford hjalme@ucdavis.edu hlayer@mercury.sfsu.edu Hal Layer hoffman@hal.com John Hoffman ilana@niwot.scd.ucar.EDU Ilana Stern irilyth@infersys.com Josh Smith iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk Ian Jackson J.Yeates@sussex.ac.uk John Yeates janlee@panix.com Janice Anne Lee jdonnell@du.edu JACK DONNELLY jfkawski@kepler.unh.edu Jeffrey F Kawski jg2560@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu John R. Grout jimj@eecs.umich.edu Jim Jewett jlauten@netcom.com Jennifer Lautenschlager jmcgarry@uoguelph.ca john@pagat.demon.co.uk John McLeod johns@interaccess.com John Stryker jon@perca.umd.edu Jonathan Kruger jonboy@io.org Jonboy jonivar@festival.ed.ac.uk jrb5c@watt.seas.virginia.edu Joseph Richard Ballato jsbrown0@basalt.Mines.Colorado.EDU Brown Jeffrey Scott jsc@netcom.com Judson Cohan jte@PrimeNet.Com Edward Jackman jwolcott@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Jason A. Wolcott jyang@CS.Berkeley.EDU Joel Yang karlm@rci.ripco.com Karl Meyer keillan@probe.cc.purdue.edu Kelly G. Willis kherron@f10.facts.uky.edu Ken Herron kim@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn kjm@panix.com Kevin Maroney kleber@math.berkeley.edu Michael Kleber kporter@thales.nmia.com Kevin Porter KRAMER@RCL.WAU.NL Mark R. Kramer kwan@CS.Cornell.EDU Alan Kwan kyousten@bev.net Ken Yousten larryr@cs.umr.edu Larry Reeves lee@ehiltd.dircon.co.uk Lee McGinty lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu Mussolini Glenn Kick lighton@ios.com Richard Lighton ljr@ictv.com Larry Rosenberg lyle@ecn.purdue.edu Lyle Youngblood marc@world.std.com Marc Dashevsky matthew@gazoo.wellesley.edu Matthew Merzbacher mattk@comm.mot.com MAZULEC@minna.acc.iit.edu Lech Mazur mbn@SSD.intel.com Mike Northam mbryan@netcom.com Michael Bryan mccauley_je@VNET.IBM.COM Joe McCauley mcinelli@inferno.com mdulcey@pryder.pn.com Mark J. Dulcey mfagan@cs.rice.edu Mike Fagan Michael.Norrish@cl.cam.ac.uk Mike.Fitz@lambada.oit.unc.edu mikeq@PrimeNet.Com Michael Quinlan minnotte@sunfs.math.usu.edu Mike Minnotte mjk@greisen.physics.utah.edu Matthew J. Kidd mkelly@helium.helios.nd.edu michael kelly mlake@DGS.dgsys.com Marshall Lake mlw5y@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Michelle Laren Weeks MMCKEAN@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU Some weird guy in Toledo monsourc@math.uchicago.edu Christopher Monsour mossd@lilhd.logica.com Moss David msaxer@u.washington.edu Martin Saxer mshroom@argo.unm.edu stephen m barnes mstephans@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Matt Stephans MURPHYJ@CUA.EDU JOSEPH MAXIMILLIAN MURPHY nac@SIRIUS.COM Nancy Cedeno nancy_vandermey@qmlink.ple.af.mil Cat House NARAHT@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU Randy Finder Nate.Edel@Dartmouth.EDU Nate Edel ndallen@io.org Nigel Allen Olaf.Laczak@Helsinki.FI Olaf Laczak olmuller@skom.se Olivier Muller palmerp@MATH.ORST.EDU Paul Palmer pdundas@bfsec.bt.co.uk Paul Dundas peterc@ic.net Peter Campbell phillips@bright.uoregon.edu Chris Phillips pierre@shell.Portal.COM Pierre Uszynski pjh1@leicester.ac.uk P.J. Humble PRMADER@lmsmgr.lerc.nasa.gov PSmith@aol.com radrayer@panix.com Rebecca Drayer randrews@cas.org Brad Andrews rchatham@math.utk.edu Richard Chatham reinpost@win.tue.nl Reinier Post rn.7475@rose.com rozmanov@oea.ihep.su Oleg Rozmanov rrh@SEI.CMU.EDU Robert Holibaugh RRI1%PSC%MLPP@bangate.pge.com rrognlie@netcom.com Richard Rognlie rsk@cyberspace.org Robert S. Kissel S.R.E.Turner@statslab.cam.ac.uk Stephen Turner sannuti@u.washington.edu Arun Sannuti schlatt@math.berkeley.edu mark schlatter SCHOCHET@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU ARI R. SCHOCHET scocca@gibbs.oit.unc.edu D. A. Scocca scottp@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov Scott M Parrish scs@eskimo.com Steve Summit sfenster@cbnews.att.com sgielen@wins.uia.ac.be Steven.Gielen ShariV@aol.com sipas01@SIP.Unisys.COM Paul Sutcliffe Jr. sjsmith@cs.UMD.EDU Stephen Joseph Smith skister@leland.Stanford.EDU scott kister sos@oz.plymouth.edu Steffan O'Sullivan steve@barney.tsf.nid.csc.com Steve Pearson stug@VNET.IBM.COM Stuart R. Goodgold swhatle@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM Steven Whatley s_auge@ira.uka.de Guenther Augustin T.R.Sanders@csc.liv.ac.uk Terry Sanders tacraft@ccs.carleton.ca telnet accountschristina craft techint@winternet.com Technical Intelligence-MN-USA telenet!rootbeer!dmontuor@uunet.uu.net Dave Montuori tenzil@io.com James Kiley THEMAGPIE@delphi.com Thomas.Granvold@Eng.Sun.COM Tom Granvold tr@doc.ic.ac.uk Tom Randulff tsang@austin.ibm.com Donald Tsang val@cs.weber.edu Val Kartchner vanes002@maroon.tc.umn.edu John Van Essen vicki@ecs.educ.ubc.ca Vicki Domansky Vieser@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de W.Taylor@math.canterbury.ac.nz Wgreview@aol.com whuang@cco.caltech.edu Wei-Hwa Huang willner@cfa183.harvard.edu Steve Willner willwats@ugcs.caltech.edu William M. Watson wlmurphy@cats.ucsc.edu William L. Murphy zakaib@mda.ca Daniel Zakaib Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ archer@frmug.fr.net Vincent Archer atkinsj@alleg.EDU Grey Death balaji@nexus.yorku.ca Balaji blugoose@gonix.gonix.com The Blue Goose booda@us1.msrcnavo.navy.mil Martin H. Booda bqw@mace.cc.purdue.edu David W. Dockter david@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu David David@masthead.demon.co.uk David Brazendale dc@panix.com David W. Crawford ferro@chem.cmu.edu Jon Ferro jcmurphy@smurfland.cit.buffalo.edu Jeff Murphy jcoffey@crl.com James L. Coffey kahler@netcom.com Flex Mentallo lrodrgz@free.org Luis A. Rodriguez moss@bastille.cchem.berkeley.edu David Maurice nick@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri nstraguzzi@aol.com NStraguzzi PEACOCT6503@cobra.uni.edu Greywolf rew@moontarz.nuance.com Ryan Waldron rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller s9uvct@fnma.COM Victor Tan sam@sam.franken.de Sassan Simai smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown widenius@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius will.rogers@lightspeed.com Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ mmt@RedBrick.COM M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu M. "card shark" Otto Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kepper@rs6000.ivcc.edu Taloooooooonz!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Conflicting votes Mcbfjohn@aol.com ! No vote statement in message mthomashow@aol.com MThomashow ! No vote statement in message -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity. "Jack Sprat could eat no fat...so he became macrobiotic and a giant pain in the neck." -- Dot Warner, "Jack Sprat"