From mperna@pluto.njcc.com Thu Feb 29 20:39:58 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Bullpen Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.collecting.sport.baseball Subject: RFD: rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 Mar 1996 01:40:08 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 130 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <825644406.21997@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.collecting.sport.baseball-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8324 news.groups:191970 rec.collecting.sport.baseball:72319 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.single-cards unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.trading unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc (renames rec.collecting.sport.baseball) This a formal request for discussion (RFD) for the reorganization of the newsgroup rec.collecting.sport.baseball into the two newsgroups rec.collecting.sport.baseball.single-cards and rec.collecting.sport.baseball.trading and renaming the current newsgroup to rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc. This is NOT a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroups lines: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc Buying/selling except for single cards. rec.collecting.sport.baseball.single-cards Buying/selling of single cards. rec.collecting.sport.baseball.trading Trading only of all baseball items. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.single-cards RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.trading There is a great and growing number of newsgroup users interested in the buying, selling and trading of baseball collectibles. Currently all these users are found in the group, rec.collecting.sport.baseball. Every type of baseball collectible is now being marketed in this one group which receives well over 225+ posts a day. With the ever increasing number of users, it would be advantageous to divide this group into the suggested new groups listed above. The names, rec.collecting.sport.baseball.single-cards and rec.collecting.sport.baseball.trading is proposed as a result of discussion among the users of R.c.s.b and the Group Mentors over the past months. This division of R.c.s.b would pull out enough posts to unburden the current newsgroup and allow all the baseball newsgroups to grow. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc This newsgroup r.c.s.b obviously cannot stay with the existing name. It would cause confusion and , even worse, unwanted cross-posting would occur. The new group would be renamed rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc in order to minimize these possible problems. This group would be the area to post the marketing of all other items not represented by the other proposed baseball newsgroups. As an example, rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc would contain posts for memorabilia, wax boxes, complete sets, etc. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.single-cards The unmoderated newsgroup rec.collecting.sport.baseball.single-cardsis a forum for the buying and selling of baseball single cards. It includes every year of baseball single cards and single cards only. No other sport would be permitted to be marketed in this group. To keep the traffic to a manageable amount, this group will be limited to no more than 3 posts per day like the other existing sport groups. No cross-posting between this group and any other baseball group will be permitted. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.trading The unmoderated newsgroup rec.collecting.sport.baseball.trading will be a forum for the trading only of all baseball realted items. No posts regarding the buying or selling of any baseball related item will be permitted in this group. No posts containing any other sport other than baseball will be permitted in this group. To keep the traffic to a manageable amount, this group will be limited to no more than 3 posts per day like the other existing sport groups. No cross-posting between this group and any other baseball group will be permitted. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc The unmoderated newsgroup rec.collecting.sport.baseball.misc would be a forum for the marketing of all other baseball related items not covered by the other proposed baseball newsgroups. To keep the traffic to a manageable amount, this group will be limited to no more than 3 posts per day like the other existing sport groups. No cross-posting between this group and any other baseball group will be permitted. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups). All discussion should be posted to News.groups. Please subscribe to if you wish to be part of this discussion. *** Please limit ALL discussion to only *** AT the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. *** This is NOT a call for votes. Do NOT attempt to vote now. *** This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Make a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. These documents can readily be found in the group . DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: News.announce.newgroups News.groups rec.collecting.sport.baseball rec.collecting.discuss This RFD summarized the reaction of the people who have submitted their comments (157 people and 214 messages) during the past 33 days. Proponent: Marc Perna From mperna@pluto.njcc.com Tue Jun 18 17:05:22 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Bullpen Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.collecting.sport.baseball,rec.collecting.cards.discuss Subject: RFD: rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 18 Jun 1996 21:05:59 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 99 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <835131956.12394@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.collecting.sport.baseball-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8856 news.groups:212370 rec.collecting.sport.baseball:112787 rec.collecting.cards.discuss:13192 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards (renames rec.collecting.sport.baseball) This a formal request for discussion (RFD) for the creation of the newsgroup rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia and for the renaming of the parent group from rec.collecting.sport.baseball to rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards. This is NOT a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroups lines: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards Buy/Sell of baseball cards. rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia Buy/Sell of baseball memorabilia. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia There is a great and growing number of newsgroup users interested in the buying, selling and trading of baseball collectibles. Currently all these users are found in the group, rec.collecting.sport.baseball (R.c.s.b). Every type of baseball collectible is now being marketed in this ONE group which receives well over 350+ posts a day. With all this action, Memorabilia is getting lost in the shuffle. Memorabilia is a multi-faceted subject deserving of it's own group. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards With the proposed memorabilia group underway, the present group Rec.collecting.sport.baseball must be tailored to conform to the new definition of what this group will be. Discussions have led to the renaming of this group to rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards to better define what is contained within this group. This renaming also sets the foundation for all future proposed specialized groups that might emerge from the .cards group. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia The unmoderated newsgroup rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia would be a forum for the buying and selling of all baseball related memorabilia including, but not limited to, items such as Starting Lineup Figurines, Phonecards, Autographed items, Periodicals, etc. To keep the traffic to a manageable amount, this group will be limited to no more than 3 posts per day per person like the other existing sport groups. No cross-posting between this group and any other baseball group will be permitted. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards The unmoderated newsgroup rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards will be a forum for the buying, selling and trading of baseball trading cards only. This will also include the marketing of wax boxes, cases and complete sets. To keep the traffic to a manageable amount, this group will be limited to no more than 3 posts per day per person like the other existing sport groups. No cross-posting between this group and any other baseball group will be permitted. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups). All discussion should be posted to News.groups. Please subscribe to if you wish to be part of this discussion. *** Please limit ALL discussion to only *** At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. *** This is NOT a call for votes. Do NOT attempt to vote now. *** This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Make a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. These documents can readily be found in the group . DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: News.announce.newgroups News.groups rec.collecting.sport.baseball rec.collecting.cards.discuss Proponent: Marc Perna From billones@primenet.com Mon Sep 16 15:29:42 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: billones@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.collecting.sport.baseball,rec.collecting.cards.discuss Subject: CFV: rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 16 Sep 1996 19:29:17 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 138 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 8 Oct 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <842902153.7785@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: billones@clark.net NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.collecting.sport.baseball-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9151 news.groups:230938 rec.collecting.sport.baseball:153141 rec.collecting.cards.discuss:15906 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards (renames rec.collecting.sport.baseball) Newsgroups line: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards Buy/Sell baseball cards. rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia Buy/Sell baseball memorabilia. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent(s). Proponent: Marc Perna, Vintage Sports Investments Mentor: Russ Allbery Votetaker: Jeremy Billones RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards With the proposed memorabilia group underway, the present newsgroup Rec.collecting.sport.baseball must be tailored to conform to the new definition of what this group will be. Discussions have led to the renaming of this existing group to rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards to better define what is contained within this proposed group. This renaming also sets the foundation for all future proposed specialized groups that might emerge from the .cards group. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia There is a great and growing number of newsgroup users interested in the buying, selling and trading of baseball collectibles. Currently all these users are found in Rec.collecting.sport.baseball (R.c.s.b). Every imaginable type of baseball collectible is now marketed in this ONE group which receives well over 350+ posts a day. With all this posting action, Memorabilia is getting lost in the traffic. Memorabilia is a multi-faceted subject deserving of it's own group. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards The unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards is a forum for the buying, selling and trading of baseball sportscards. This includes, but is not limited to, the marketing of complete sets, wax boxes, wax cases, autographed cards, and other items dealing with baseball cards. To keep the traffic to a managable amount, this group is limited to no more than 3 posts per day, as presently dictated in the existing newsgroup. No cross-posting is allowed, unless, the article in question contains multiple sports directly from the manufacturer. No commercial posts other than baseball cards will be permitted. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia The unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia is a forum for the buying, selling and trading of all baseball related memorabilia only, including, but not limited to, items such as Books, Magazines, Periodicals, Action Figures (starting line-ups), Statues, Art Wort (lithographs, prints, sketches), Commemoratives, Coins, Medallions, Game Used Equipment, Autographed Items (bats, balls, caps, uniforms, gloves, etc), Photographs and Recordings. To keep the traffic to a managable amount, this group is limited to no more than 3 posts per day. No cross-posting is allowed, unless, the article in question contains multiple sports directly from the manufacturer. No commercial posts other than baseball memorabilia will be permitted. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Send MAIL to: billones@clark.net Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards [ ] rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result in your vote not being counted. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.collecting.sport.baseball rec.collecting.cards.discuss From billones@primenet.com Wed Sep 25 22:59:37 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: billones@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.collecting.sport.baseball,rec.collecting.cards.discuss Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Supersedes: <842902153.7785@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Sep 1996 02:59:30 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 232 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 8 Oct 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <843706756.229@uunet.uu.net> References: <835131956.12394@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: billones@clark.net NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9200 news.groups:232542 rec.collecting.sport.baseball:158136 rec.collecting.cards.discuss:16199 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards (renames rec.collecting.sport.baseball) Newsgroups line: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards Buy/Sell baseball cards. rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia Buy/Sell baseball memorabilia. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent(s). Proponent: Marc Perna, Vintage Sports Investments Mentor: Russ Allbery Votetaker: Jeremy Billones RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards With the proposed memorabilia group underway, the present newsgroup Rec.collecting.sport.baseball must be tailored to conform to the new definition of what this group will be. Discussions have led to the renaming of this existing group to rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards to better define what is contained within this proposed group. This renaming also sets the foundation for all future proposed specialized groups that might emerge from the .cards group. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia There is a great and growing number of newsgroup users interested in the buying, selling and trading of baseball collectibles. Currently all these users are found in Rec.collecting.sport.baseball (R.c.s.b). Every imaginable type of baseball collectible is now marketed in this ONE group which receives well over 350+ posts a day. With all this posting action, Memorabilia is getting lost in the traffic. Memorabilia is a multi-faceted subject deserving of it's own group. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards The unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards is a forum for the buying, selling and trading of baseball sportscards. This includes, but is not limited to, the marketing of complete sets, wax boxes, wax cases, autographed cards, and other items dealing with baseball cards. To keep the traffic to a managable amount, this group is limited to no more than 3 posts per day, as presently dictated in the existing newsgroup. No cross-posting is allowed, unless, the article in question contains multiple sports directly from the manufacturer. No commercial posts other than baseball cards will be permitted. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia The unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia is a forum for the buying, selling and trading of all baseball related memorabilia only, including, but not limited to, items such as Books, Magazines, Periodicals, Action Figures (starting line-ups), Statues, Art Wort (lithographs, prints, sketches), Commemoratives, Coins, Medallions, Game Used Equipment, Autographed Items (bats, balls, caps, uniforms, gloves, etc), Photographs and Recordings. To keep the traffic to a managable amount, this group is limited to no more than 3 posts per day. No cross-posting is allowed, unless, the article in question contains multiple sports directly from the manufacturer. No commercial posts other than baseball memorabilia will be permitted. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Send MAIL to: billones@clark.net Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards [ ] rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result in your vote not being counted. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.collecting.sport.baseball rec.collecting.cards.discuss rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Mass Ack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ al442@freenet.carleton.ca Derek Tam alan@cardmall.com Alan Cohen alchu@i1.net Al Chu ananda@cs.utexas.edu Ananda M. Kar booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda briand@prairie.lakes.com Brian Dahl cinoue@ix.netcom.com Chris Inoue cpremoe@serv.net Chad Premoe desroche@galaxy.ndhm.gtegsc.com Dave Desrochers devildoge9@mail.drsystems.com Dennis P Mello dhall@wbm.ca David N. M. Hall dkleppel@uh2309p02.daytonoh.ncr.com Dave Kleppel dprill@hamptons.com Darin Prill dputzolu@teleport.com David M. Putzolu duer@coe.Berkeley.EDU David J. Duer dustyr@visi.net Dusty Rhoades dwsacks@merle.acns.nwu.edu David Sacks dwtaylor@ATCON.COM Dave Taylor FarkasJ@msn.com John G. Farkas finneus@erols.com Nonstop Blowout!! fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM Carl C. Fogelin gajarsky@email.njin.net gajarsky@pilot.njin.net gcramsey@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Gary C. Ramseyer gerard.ottaviano@wang.com Gerard Ottaviano GoZinDeap@aol.com Nick Migliaccio harmanr@et.byu.edu Robert Craig Harman Heikki.Kantola@IKI.FI Heikki Kantola HJLeRoy@gnn.com Harry LeRoy jhorn@rossby.metr.ou.edu Jane jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark kar@cray.com Kent Rogers khan@cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan khopperstad@usinternet.com Ken Hopperstad laramie@u.washington.edu Craig Newtson lcs@zk3.dec.com Larry Smith lebo@bscr.uga.edu Richard Alan Lebo ler@poi.net Leo Reice lyn@MITL.Research.Panasonic.COM Lynette Sherman menciks@ncr.disa.mil Stephen Mencik mjn@rdga3.att.com Mark J. Nelson> ms02364@msbg.med.ge.com H. H. Williams msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 nancypj@aol.com Nancy Jennings navsta@datasync.com Jeffrey W. Mortenson nbear@ix.netcom.com Neil Reichline nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman nigel@laifong.npt.nuwc.navy.mil Nigel Lee okeedokee@pipeline.com Brett Domue olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar ollivier.robert@eurocontrol.fr Ollivier Robert panthera@ultraplex.upx.net Amy Galitzer paulc@gateway.grumman.com Paul Curran paxil@interlog.com Trevor Tymchuk pendragon@galactica.it Flavio Macchietto quiddity@usa.pipeline.com Ben Goldsmith richsprt@concentric.net Richard Simon rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller ricky.j.scott@boeing.com Ricky J Scott rjaugust@megalink.net Raymond J. August rosskj@ix.netcom.com Kenneth Ross s16642jt@umassd.edu James Tegelaar sacb@pge.com Steve Courteau schwarz@poseidon.physik.tu-berlin.de Georg SchwArz seaa@spectra.net Edward Engelman simpson@cyberenet.net Larry D. Simpson skitchen@email.njin.net Scott Kitchen skornblau@odin.mdacc.tmc.edu Steven Kornblau slater@rpi.edu Ralph Slate smcgowan@cs.uml.edu Sean P. McGowan Solomon524@aol.com Solomon Cramer stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown sunrise5@ix.netcom.com Charles Moskowitz Theodora.Dunlap@moa.net Richard Dunlap tjaskiew@us.oracle.com Tom Jaskiewicz tkirk@sd.inri.com Troy Kirk tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson tmfran@earthlink.net tmurrell@apci.net Tom Murrell traviss@nash.mindspring.com Travis L. Sheldon vsi@pluto.njcc.com Marc Perna wano@cyberix.com Wayne J. Skocypec Wayne.R.Bailey-1@tc.umn.edu Wayne R Bailey Weaselboys@aol.com Michael Hubscher Whizzo69@aol.com Steve Iovinella zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ griffey@pluto.njcc.com Sandy Procaccini ! No ballot From billones@primenet.com Tue Oct 8 08:13:02 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: billones@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.collecting.sport.baseball,rec.collecting.cards.discuss Subject: RESULT: rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization all groups fail Supersedes: <843706756.229@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 8 Oct 1996 08:12:57 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 233 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <844776771.1629@uunet.uu.net> References: <835131956.12394@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: billones@clark.net NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9245 news.groups:234102 rec.collecting.sport.baseball:164301 rec.collecting.cards.discuss:16450 RESULT unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia fails 96:27 unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards (renames rec.collecting.sport.baseball) fails 95:25 Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1996. rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization results - 124 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 96 27 : Yes No : No : rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards 95 25 : Yes No : No : rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia 6 invalid votes This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent(s). Proponent: Marc Perna, Vintage Sports Investments Mentor: Russ Allbery Votetaker: Jeremy Billones Newsgroups line: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards Buy/Sell baseball cards. rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia Buy/Sell baseball memorabilia. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards With the proposed memorabilia group underway, the present newsgroup Rec.collecting.sport.baseball must be tailored to conform to the new definition of what this group will be. Discussions have led to the renaming of this existing group to rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards to better define what is contained within this proposed group. This renaming also sets the foundation for all future proposed specialized groups that might emerge from the .cards group. RATIONALE: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia There is a great and growing number of newsgroup users interested in the buying, selling and trading of baseball collectibles. Currently all these users are found in Rec.collecting.sport.baseball (R.c.s.b). Every imaginable type of baseball collectible is now marketed in this ONE group which receives well over 350+ posts a day. With all this posting action, Memorabilia is getting lost in the traffic. Memorabilia is a multi-faceted subject deserving of it's own group. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards The unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards is a forum for the buying, selling and trading of baseball sportscards. This includes, but is not limited to, the marketing of complete sets, wax boxes, wax cases, autographed cards, and other items dealing with baseball cards. To keep the traffic to a managable amount, this group is limited to no more than 3 posts per day, as presently dictated in the existing newsgroup. No cross-posting is allowed, unless, the article in question contains multiple sports directly from the manufacturer. No commercial posts other than baseball cards will be permitted. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia The unmoderated group rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia is a forum for the buying, selling and trading of all baseball related memorabilia only, including, but not limited to, items such as Books, Magazines, Periodicals, Action Figures (starting line-ups), Statues, Art Wort (lithographs, prints, sketches), Commemoratives, Coins, Medallions, Game Used Equipment, Autographed Items (bats, balls, caps, uniforms, gloves, etc), Photographs and Recordings. To keep the traffic to a managable amount, this group is limited to no more than 3 posts per day. No cross-posting is allowed, unless, the article in question contains multiple sports directly from the manufacturer. No commercial posts other than baseball memorabilia will be permitted. END CHARTER. DISTRIBUTION: These results have been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.collecting.sport.baseball rec.collecting.cards.discuss rec.collecting.sport.baseball reorganization Final Vote Ack rec.collecting.sport.baseball.memorabilia ----+ rec.collecting.sport.baseball.cards ---+| || 76725.467@compuserve.com Drew Taylor YY akakiona@hooked.net Karen Akiona YY al442@freenet.carleton.ca Derek Tam YY alan@cardmall.com Alan Cohen NN alchu@i1.net Al Chu YY alscards@aol.com Alan L. Stehman YY ananda@cs.utexas.edu Ananda M. Kar NN booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda NN breazeal@lclark.edu Wes Breazeale YY briand@prairie.lakes.com Brian Dahl YY caissa@ix.netcom.com Chuck Johnson Y- CAMDNCARDS@aol.com John Barnickel YY cardman@pacificnet.net Barry Smith YY cinoue@ix.netcom.com Chris Inoue NN claus@ns.acadiacom.net Andreas Smatzny YY coolfish@phoenix.net Brady YY cpremoe@serv.net Chad Premoe YY datkatz@scott.skidmore.edu David Atkatz YY dave.chatagnier@cajun.net Dave Chatagnier NY desroche@galaxy.ndhm.gtegsc.com Dave Desrochers YY devildoge9@mail.drsystems.com Dennis P Mello YY DGHERE@aol.com Donald Ghere YY dhall@wbm.ca David N. M. Hall YY dkleppel@uh2309p02.daytonoh.ncr.com Dave Kleppel YY dprill@hamptons.com Darin Prill YY dputzolu@teleport.com David M. Putzolu NN drlund@gate.net Dean R. Lund YY duer@coe.Berkeley.EDU David J. Duer YY dustyr@visi.net Dusty Rhoades YY dwsacks@merle.acns.nwu.edu David Sacks YY dwtaylor@ATCON.COM Dave Taylor YY FarkasJ@msn.com John G. Farkas YY finneus@erols.com Nonstop Blowout!! YY fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM Carl C. Fogelin YY gajarsky@email.njin.net gajarsky@pilot.njin.net YY gcramsey@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Gary C. Ramseyer YY gerard.ottaviano@wang.com Gerard Ottaviano YY gloryhunter@rapidnet.com Mark R. YY GoZinDeap@aol.com Nick Migliaccio YY harmanr@et.byu.edu Robert Craig Harman YY Heikki.Kantola@IKI.FI Heikki Kantola NN HJLeRoy@gnn.com Harry LeRoy YY holly417@texas.net Linda Malone YY Iamdaking@aol.com Jim Schirmer YY Jack@osage.astate.edu Jack Steingraber NN jhorn@rossby.metr.ou.edu Jane YY johndoe@world.std.com Kirk Beitz NN jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark NN julesd@fwb.gulf.net Jules Dubois YY kar@cray.com Kent Rogers YY khan@cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan NN khopperstad@usinternet.com Ken Hopperstad YY laramie@u.washington.edu Craig Newtson YY lcs@zk3.dec.com Larry Smith NN lebo@bscr.uga.edu Richard Alan Lebo YY ler@poi.net Leo Reice YY lyn@MITL.Research.Panasonic.COM Lynette Sherman YY Mark.S.Flick@ORN01.usace.army.mil Mark S. Flick II YY mbr@dadd.ti.com Martin Roberts YY menciks@ncr.disa.mil Stephen Mencik YY mjn@rdga3.att.com Mark J. Nelson> YY MrFlyTrap1@aol.com MrFlyTrap NN ms02364@msbg.med.ge.com H. H. Williams YY msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 YY mtpins@isca.uiowa.edu Michael T Pins NN nancypj@aol.com Nancy Jennings YY navsta@datasync.com Jeffrey W. Mortenson YY nbear@ix.netcom.com Neil Reichline YY nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman NN nigel@laifong.npt.nuwc.navy.mil Nigel Lee YY okeedokee@pipeline.com Brett Domue YY olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar NN ollivier.robert@eurocontrol.fr Ollivier Robert NN panthera@ultraplex.upx.net Amy Galitzer NN paulc@gateway.grumman.com Paul Curran YY paxil@interlog.com Trevor Tymchuk YY pendragon@galactica.it Flavio Macchietto NN pmeyer@mustang.uwo.ca Peter Meyer YY quiddity@usa.pipeline.com Ben Goldsmith Y- radclffe@pop.erols.com Richard Radcliffe YY richsprt@concentric.net Richard Simon YY rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller YY RickHall@aol.com Richard Hall YY ricky.j.scott@boeing.com Ricky J Scott YY rjaugust@megalink.net Raymond J. August YY roluke@tmn.com Bob Luke -Y rosskj@ix.netcom.com Kenneth Ross Y- rv@xtalwind.net richard vidair YY rvrsdesbal@aol.com Jeff Crumbaugh YY s16642jt@umassd.edu James Tegelaar NN sacb@pge.com Steve Courteau YY SAgar@CCMAIL.uhc.com Soren Agard YY schwarz@poseidon.physik.tu-berlin.de Georg SchwArz NN seaa@spectra.net Edward Engelman YY simpson@cyberenet.net Larry D. Simpson YY skitchen@email.njin.net Scott Kitchen YY skornblau@odin.mdacc.tmc.edu Steven Kornblau YY slater@rpi.edu Ralph Slate YY smcgowan@cs.uml.edu Sean P. McGowan YY Solomon524@aol.com Solomon Cramer YY soren.groth@mailbox.swipnet.se S=F6ren Groth Petersen NN ssaigal@juno.com Shailesh Saigal YY stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown NN stewart@healthy.uwaterloo.ca Terry Stewart NN sunrise5@ix.netcom.com Charles Moskowitz YY sutton@wedgwood.cs.umass.edu Stan Sutton YY thad@hawaii.edu Thad Nakajima YY Theodora.Dunlap@moa.net Richard Dunlap YY tjaskiew@us.oracle.com Tom Jaskiewicz NN tkirk@sd.inri.com Troy Kirk YY tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson NN tmfran@earthlink.net YY tmurrell@apci.net Tom Murrell YY traviss@nash.mindspring.com Travis L. Sheldon YY trimac@atl.mindspring.com Frank Mc Mahon YY tuhtan@netrover.com Emanuel Tuhtan YY twells@netcom.com Tabor J. Wells YY vsi@pluto.njcc.com Marc Perna YY wakelyn@pinn.net N.T. Wakelyn N- wano@cyberix.com Wayne J. Skocypec YY Wayne.R.Bailey-1@tc.umn.edu Wayne R Bailey YY Weaselboys@aol.com Michael Hubscher YY Whizzo69@aol.com Steve Iovinella YY zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming YY Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CardsRus1@worldnet.att.net Alex Gershkovich ! No ballot DJYORK@aol.com ! No ballot dlong@monmouth.com Dave Long ! No ballot griffey@pluto.njcc.com Sandy Procaccini ! No ballot LGBM46A@prodigy.com DR SALLY GORELNIK ! No ballot wbhart@ATCON.COM Winston B. Hart ! No ballot