From cposer@earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 15:15:03 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Clyde Poser Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.ultralight,rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.announce Subject: RFD: rec.aviation.powerchutes Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <876780033.12669@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.aviation.powerchutes Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:00:33 GMT Lines: 88 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:849 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.aviation.powerchutes Newsgroups line: rec.aviation.powerchutes Discussions about powered parachute flying. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup rec.aviation.powerchutes. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: rec.aviation.powerchutes In the rec.aviation hierarchy there have been threads concerning powered parachutes, often with cross-postings to several rec.aviation groups in an attempt to find the intended audience. Discussions about training for instance have shown that there is a considerable interest in this subject among participants in the rec.aviation groups. These discussions are important, both for new and present pilots engaged in the rapidly growing sport of powered parachutes. This new group will provide a forum to discuss flying and training of powered parachutes. It should be used both for discussions about issues that concern training, maintenance and safety during regular flying as well as for posts about events and related activities. It should also be used to discuss issues concerning powered parachute competition. It will also provide a way of distributing information about powered parachute issues world-wide. This should include distribution of event schedules, contest results, accidents, safety, equipment and training. Another topic that has been discussed in some newsgroups is the question of how certain powered parachutes perform. This can be an important safety issue for buying the different models. Again these discussions have been distributed over some newsgroups, mostly the ultralight group. They are important enough to deserve a dedicated newsgroup. Hopefully one important aspect of this group in general will be the discussion of safety aspects of flying powered parachutes of all kinds including powered paragliders. For instance there were several discussions about recovery techniques from unusual circumstances recently. Such discussions can be extremely important during emergencies. Hopefully this new newsgroup will provide a more focused forum for such safety related discussions. CHARTER: rec.aviation.powerchutes rec.aviation.powerchutes is an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated to discussions about flying powered parachutes of all kinds. Posts to this newsgroup should be about any flying of powered parachutes and powered para-gliders. This includes training, safety and competitions using powered parachutes, as well as handling emergencies. Particular emphasis should be placed on discussing the safety aspects of the sport. Other topics are discussions about the capabilities of different powered parachutes and their inherent limitations. It should include schedules of fly-ins, meets and competitions, and their results. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups). All discussion should be posted to news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD". Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.aviation.announce, rec.aviation.homebuilt, rec.aviation.misc, rec.aviation.piloting, rec.aviation.questions, rec.aviation.ultralight Proponent: Clyde Poser From jjd@primenet.com Tue Nov 11 12:07:00 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.ultralight Subject: CFV: rec.aviation.powerchutes Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <879156740.8823@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.aviation.powerchutes Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:12:20 GMT Lines: 104 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:927 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.aviation.powerchutes Newsgroups line: rec.aviation.powerchutes Safety and operation of powered parachutes. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Dec 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Clyde Poser Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: rec.aviation.powerchutes In the rec.aviation hierarchy there have been threads concerning powered parachutes, often with cross-postings to several rec.aviation groups in an attempt to find the intended audience. Discussions about training for instance have shown that there is a considerable interest in this subject among participants in the rec.aviation groups. These discussions are important, both for new and present pilots engaged in the rapidly growing sport of powered parachutes. No place for dissemination of knowledge for this sport now exists. In view of the nature of powered parachute operation a forum is needed for safety, operational and general knowledge. CHARTER: rec.aviation.powerchutes rec.aviation.powerchutes is an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated to discussions about flying powered parachutes of all kinds. Posts to this newsgroup should be about any flying of powered parachutes and powered para-gliders. This includes training, safety and competitions using powered parachutes, as well as handling emergencies. Particular emphasis should be placed on discussing the safety aspects of the sport. Other topics are discussions about the capabilities of different powered parachutes and their inherent limitations. It should include schedules of fly-ins, meets and competitions, and their results. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provde your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < jjd@primenet.com > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.iki.fi/~jpatokal/uvv. -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- rec.aviation.powerchutes Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.aviation.powerchutes -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 970324 From jjd@primenet.com Tue Nov 25 09:45:09 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.ultralight Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.aviation.powerchutes Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <880479265.5852@isc.org> Supersedes: <879156740.8823@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.aviation.powerchutes Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:34:25 GMT Lines: 116 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:971 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.aviation.powerchutes Newsgroups line: rec.aviation.powerchutes Safety and operation of powered parachutes. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Dec 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Clyde Poser Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: rec.aviation.powerchutes In the rec.aviation hierarchy there have been threads concerning powered parachutes, often with cross-postings to several rec.aviation groups in an attempt to find the intended audience. Discussions about training for instance have shown that there is a considerable interest in this subject among participants in the rec.aviation groups. These discussions are important, both for new and present pilots engaged in the rapidly growing sport of powered parachutes. No place for dissemination of knowledge for this sport now exists. In view of the nature of powered parachute operation a forum is needed for safety, operational and general knowledge. CHARTER: rec.aviation.powerchutes rec.aviation.powerchutes is an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated to discussions about flying powered parachutes of all kinds. Posts to this newsgroup should be about any flying of powered parachutes and powered para-gliders. This includes training, safety and competitions using powered parachutes, as well as handling emergencies. Particular emphasis should be placed on discussing the safety aspects of the sport. Other topics are discussions about the capabilities of different powered parachutes and their inherent limitations. It should include schedules of fly-ins, meets and competitions, and their results. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provde your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < jjd@primenet.com > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.iki.fi/~jpatokal/uvv. -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- rec.aviation.powerchutes Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.aviation.powerchutes -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 970324 rec.aviation.powerchutes Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ adtec@usa.net Lynn Irwin BUDLUCKY@aol.com Bear Perkins gandalf@NOSPAMnavicom.com Gandalf joelongx@msn.fullfeed.com Joe Long jschumi_JS@tm.net.my JS kb2mymnospam@li.net angelo diaz NoSPAMjjurena@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov Jim Jurena wont@tellya.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman XXXvbj@lynx.bc.caXXX eric jarl From jjd@primenet.com Mon Dec 1 16:15:04 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.ultralight Subject: RESULT: rec.aviation.powerchutes passes 147:27 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <881021426.968@isc.org> Supersedes: <880479265.5852@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.aviation.powerchutes Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 00:10:27 GMT Lines: 238 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:984 RESULT unmoderated group rec.aviation.powerchutes passes 147:27 There were 147 YES votes and 27 NO votes, for a total of 174 valid votes. There were 2 abstains. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. rec.aviation.powerchutes passed on Mon Nov 24 10:53:17 1997. Newsgroups line: rec.aviation.powerchutes Safety and operation of powered parachutes. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Clyde Poser Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: rec.aviation.powerchutes In the rec.aviation hierarchy there have been threads concerning powered parachutes, often with cross-postings to several rec.aviation groups in an attempt to find the intended audience. Discussions about training for instance have shown that there is a considerable interest in this subject among participants in the rec.aviation groups. These discussions are important, both for new and present pilots engaged in the rapidly growing sport of powered parachutes. No place for dissemination of knowledge for this sport now exists. In view of the nature of powered parachute operation a forum is needed for safety, operational and general knowledge. CHARTER: rec.aviation.powerchutes rec.aviation.powerchutes is an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated to discussions about flying powered parachutes of all kinds. Posts to this newsgroup should be about any flying of powered parachutes and powered para-gliders. This includes training, safety and competitions using powered parachutes, as well as handling emergencies. Particular emphasis should be placed on discussing the safety aspects of the sport. Other topics are discussions about the capabilities of different powered parachutes and their inherent limitations. It should include schedules of fly-ins, meets and competitions, and their results. END CHARTER. rec.aviation.powerchutes Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ adtec@usa.net Lynn Irwin aeroplayn@yahoo.com Bob Strong Agentspydr@aol.com Danielle Weinstein AlaskaRay@aol.com Ray Weinstein alex@unicorn.us.com Alex Matulich amch@iafrica.com Anthony McHale andy@andysaudio.com Andrew C. Ohnstad archadams@usa.net Kim Hagerman arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva asp@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us Alan S. Petrillo BENNETT2@scanva.canton.edu Jerry Bennett bergton@anniston.net James Boozer bill@parachutes.com Bill Gargano blough@triton.net Mike Blough bluefire@voyager.net Stephen Brown bobshep@tiac.net Bob Shepard boondoc@usit.net James B. Stanley, MD bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin BUDLUCKY@aol.com Bear Perkins chasschu@erols.com Charles Schuman chatten@erols.com Carlos Hattenburg CHolzCPA@aol.com cindytom@gdi.net Tom Bridges coastalemc@InfoAve.Net J. Mark Bolton cposer@earthlink.net Clyde Poser cshippy@gwtc.net Chan Shippy cyberdyne101@intellistar.net Charles Hayes dalecase@mcn.net Dale Case darjar@mcn.net Jerry Dekko3@aol.com Shawn D. Walker dialysis@starplace.com Guy Marciano djed@juno.com Geronimo Mockingbird dmiller@harborcom.net Don Miller = donkiely@computer.org Don Kiely dpic@apa.com daniel pick ebennett@mylink.net Ernest E. Bennett Ed.Hammett@Centrilift.com Ed Hammett eeidof@eei.ericsson.se Dermot O Flaherty Ekkehard.Uthke@gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke fl4a004@rrz.uni-hamburg.de Lars Sprute forney@cyberhighway.net Customer fourp@louisiana-internet.net Joe Yerger freebirds@dol.net Herb Moore FUNFLYR@aol.com gae@esworthy.com George Alan Esworthy George7777@aol.com George Hawkins georgeh@shelby.net George Hendricks ggleiter@minn.net Gil Leiter gian.badraun@compunet.ch Gian F. Badraun glyder@citylinq.com Jim Gelling gotafly@ix.netcom.com Phil Dietro heddens@freewwweb.com harold eddens helliott@iol.ie Hamilton Elliott hgibbs@gate.net Harold M. Gibbs hiflier@ruraltel.net David Chapman hood@Eng.Sun.COM Mark Hood hoodoo@newnorth.net William A. Cmelak IraWoolery@aol.com jasmine@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor jcs@dimensional.com Joseph C. Steger jd1@digisys.net Jack Dunn JFBECKETT@aol.com Jamie Beckett jfmsilva@mail.telepac.pt Lucas Tavares Silva jheadle@primenet.com Rick Headlee jimed654321@hotmail.com Jim Earley jjd@lpassd.com James J Dunn jjurena@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov Jim Jurena joelongx@msn.fullfeed.com Joe Long joew@pop.ma.ultranet.com Joe Wirtz John.Singleton@trw.com John Singleton jschumi_JS@tm.net.my JS just_in@bellsouth.net Michael Schultz kathryn56@aol.com Kathryn Walser kb2mymnospam@li.net angelo diaz kb9klm@localline.com Mark Kermon@aol.com Kermon A. Carter KeyserMail@aol.com Frank Keyser kimdv@best.com Kim DeVaughn kit@ionet.net Kit Wagner kmckel@erols.com Kevin E. McKelvey lauren@qldnet.com.au TIM HARRAWAY lem9p@server1.mail.virginia.edu Lynn E. Miller lesmith@cybertime.net Larry E. Smith LivTheMdns@aol.com Mike Weinstein lsangstr@tifton.cpes.peachnet.edu Lowell Sangster m.radtke@elm.az05.bull.com Michael A. Radtke matt@brain.mics.net Matt Miller mbowns@foxinternet.net Mark Bowns Mcz52@aol.com Michael W. Schreckenbach mdunn@vtetv.org x-quoted> Mike Dunn megazone@livingston.com MegaZone Mindctrl@aol.com Ricky Chocron mkinc@erols.com James Mack MRLIMPET@aol.com Barry Knotts ne3a@chesapeake.net Ronald D. Nord nmhotair@flash.net Bruce Boatman ocarroll@ihug.co.nz Barry O'Carroll pabold@MSIS.dmso.mil Phillip Abold panpai@bkk1.asiaaccess.net.th Paiboon Panuwattanawong para@iag.net Parascender Technologies Inc parafly@erols.com Barry Shellington Paraflyer2@aol.com Daniel T. Thompson paxil@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk pchaput@Glue.umd.edu Peter M Chaput PEREZRG@HPD.Abbott.com Perez, Rodrigo G. SL pir@mail.telepac.pt Pedro Rodrigues plainviewel@InfoAve.Net John Williams possumcop@centuryinter.net psa@usa.net Paul Ayers qmyers@teleport.com Q Myers raisbeck@cfw.com Tom Raisbeck rclee@umr.edu Richard Cameron Lee rg_barrett@classic.msn.com Ron Barrett RiaNorth@aol.com RIA NORTH roddyrodrun@rodrun.com Rodrun Beltaine Rogjac6112@aol.com ROGER jACKSON Ron.SanSeverino@mci.com Ron SanSeverino RonB45@aol.com James R. Boozer rufinus@marconi.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus schew@skyfry.com Scott Chew schultha@cadvision.com A.C. Schulthess shirson@tiac.net Stan Hirson skyrider@ixi.net Brian Lee slim@wingsisp.com Kirk Conner smithto@wwwinc.com Toni Smith soloflight@solo-flight.com Lee Hunt Speciman2@aol.com R.S. Weston spinnell@airmail.net Stan Pinnell stanczak@softhome.net Michael J. Saitta steve.atthews@ffei.co.uk Steve Atthews stitcher@northnet.org Gary S. Lynde TehseenR@aol.com threerivers@hartcom.net Greg Brown tomswift@acadian.net Terry Young tremblay@nbed.nb.ca Jean-Louis Tremblay triangle.earl@xtra.co.nz Steve Earl TRoper@appgroup.com Ted Roper" umbrella@hartcom.net Arch Adams umbrella@usa.net Pam Wilson uolfart@erols.com Gary Miller USAFanMan@aol.com Mark Sorenson varnish@phil-collins.com Rembrandt Sullivan walrus@erols.com Richard Starr windsurf@clark.net Dave Chaput Wmercier@shelby.net Wayne R. Mercier xc@super.zippo.com Charlie Porter XXXvbj@lynx.bc.caXXX eric jarl Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 149robertb@sisna.com Bob Blanchard booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda calabres@chass.utoronto.ca T.Calabrese chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer chuckhoffmann@mindspring.com Chuck Hoffmann dougob@ix.netcom.com Doug O'Brien fkrieger@nmu.edu Frank Krieger gandalf@NOSPAMnavicom.com Gandalf gbacon@adtran.com Greg Bacon gei@head-cfa.harvard.edu Guenther Eichhorn jhunt@ns.sympatico.ca Jeffery D. Hunt jlowther@pwa.acusd.edu John Lowther marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber neil@neilirving.demon.co.uk Neil Irving oceandreamer@better.net Mahogohney olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar patl@cag.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti Paul.Bernhardt@m.cc.utah.edu Paul Bernhardt rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller sjohnson@pop-a-wheelie.midwest.net Sam Johnson Spanner@larrrrrd.demon.co.uk Chris Hayes stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson tonyb@null.net Tony Basoglu vpdura@hiwaay.net Vic Dura wood45@selin.com Jack Selin Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ chris@aimnet.net Christopher Robin Zimmerman kopetsbj@cs.purdue.edu Brett J. Kopetsky