From robotfan@aol.com Sun Dec 19 22:15:12 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Carl Kramer" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage Subject: RFD: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <945669628.9679@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting-reorg2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 06:00:29 GMT Lines: 230 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11253 news.groups:337993 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing:6090 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc:124679 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage:41233 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss (renames rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc) unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroups rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup lines: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss Original trilogy, >1989. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace Neoclassic buy/sell. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss Prequels collecting. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Prequels buy/sell/trade. RATIONALE: all groups The rec.arts.sf.starwars.* hierarchy has expanded immensely over the past several years. In that time, the hierarchy has grown from one core group to six diverse groups. Each group has developed its own culture and norms. However, at least one of the groups is facing a serious challenge in the preponderance of marketplace-type postings (i.e., posts related to buying, selling, trading or auctions). This group, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc, is an extremely active group, averaging well over 100 posts per day and trends indicate that this is increasing. Of these daily posts, a significant proportion would be appropriate for a marketplace group. In addition to the traffic issue, much of the conflict found in this group revolves around the presence of marketplace-type posts. While it is possible that this type of conflict could also develop in the proposed group, it is believed that the creation of marketplace group will be of benefit to all parties involved by making the newsgroups more easily navigable. The choice to structure the proposal in its current form was not an easy one. A simple rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.marketplace group has been discussed numerous times. However, a general marketplace group has implications for all the rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.* groups. The greatest resistance to a group such as this is the unwillingness of many readers to have to search through a newsgroup containing hundreds of posts unrelated to the items they might be seeking. As previously stated, each group has developed its own norms and culture. Thus, several groups have expressed an interest in keeping the marketplace-type postings within their existing groups at this time (with an option to expand to the marketplace format at some time in the future if it is deemed necessary). Therefore, we are faced with a challenge in trying to address the concerns of the affected newsgroup without unnecessarily disrupting the culture of the other newsgroups. The current proposal favors the split of the affected newsgroup, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc into separate marketplace and discussion subgroups. The naming conventions ".discuss" and ".marketplace" are intended to make explicit the purpose of the groups. In addition, their use is an intentional effort to keep the discussion and marketplace groups at the same level within the hierarchy. It is believed that their use will be instrumental in helping to minimize inappropriate crossposting while also allowing for future expansion within the hierarchy. Readers of the group to be renamed have been informed that it is not required to rename the group. However, pre-RFD discussion indicated that renaming was desirable for the reasons stated above. Traffic has continued to increase and many more readers have become interested in seeing this proposal come to fruition. In addition, there was some controversy about the use of ".misc." in the previous proposal. While some of the issues may still be present in the use of ".discuss", it is believed that it is a reasonable compromise that has been endorsed by the readership of the current newsgroup. The implications of such a change were discussed in the pre-RFD discussion and a strawpoll indicated that this was the name of choice as endorsed by the current readership. There is currently a group for Star Wars collecting outside the scope of vintage (circa 1977-1989) called rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc. This newsgroup was created when rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting split in 1996 (one other group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing was also created, but has no relevance in this proposal). The term 'misc.' as used in Usenet hierarchy defines a 'catch-all' newsgroup with very loose definitions. Literally it means that anything that can be described as the collecting of Star Wars is within the charter of the newsgroup. However since the theatrical release of Star Wars prequel "The Phantom Menace" (to be referred from this point on as "TPM") there has emerged a division among the central topics discussed in RASSC.misc. Considering that George Lucas has every intention of releasing two more additional "PREQUEL"s it is strongly felt that it is time to differentiate the original trilogy of films from the trilogy that started with TPM and will include two additional films to be released in the future. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia as it pertains to the original trilogy of films Star Wars - A New Hope(ANH), The Empire Strikes Back (ESB)and Return of the Jedi (ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Profanity 4) Topics unrelated to the collecting of Star Wars as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB & ROTJ as well as "Expanded Universe") 5) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles representing the original Star Wars trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles. Inappropriate posts include: 1) Profanity 2) The sale of items not related to Star Wars collecting as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 3) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia as it pertains to the prequel films Star Wars TPM et al (to be defined as future installments of Star Wars prequels are released in theatres) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films (two of which are still to be released). Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Profanity 4) Topics unrelated to the collecting of Star Wars as it pertains to the prequel(s) 5) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles representing the Star Wars prequels either already produced or to be produced in the future. (TPM, as well as "episode II" and "episode III" both of which are as yet untitled.) 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles as they pertain to the prequel Star Wars films that take place before ANH in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) Profanity 2) The sale of items not related to Star Wars collecting as it relates to the prequels 3) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing This RFD may be distributed freely to other relevant newsgroups or mail lists, provided the follow-up line (to news.groups) is unaltered. Note that discussion regarding this RFD should be conducted only in news.groups! -- Carl Kramer RobotFan@aol.com From robotfan@aol.com Mon Jan 3 15:30:33 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Carl Kramer" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage,rec.toys.action-figures.discuss Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <946941523.27209@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting-reorg2 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 23:18:43 GMT Lines: 242 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11278 news.groups:339382 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing:6122 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc:125712 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage:41868 rec.toys.action-figures.discuss:59860 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroups rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. CHANGES from previous RFD: 1) Removal of the "No Profanity" clause from all Charters. 2) rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc will no longer be replaced by the proposed newsgroups, but will instead continue to exist among them. Newsgroup lines: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss Original trilogy, >1989. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace Neoclassic buy/sell. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss Prequels collecting. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Prequels buy/sell/trade. RATIONALE: all groups The rec.arts.sf.starwars.* hierarchy has expanded immensely over the past several years. In that time, the hierarchy has grown from one core group to six diverse groups. Each group has developed its own culture and norms. However, at least one of the groups is facing a serious challenge in the preponderance of marketplace-type postings (i.e., posts related to buying, selling, trading or auctions). This group, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc, is an extremely active group, averaging well over 100 posts per day and trends indicate that this is increasing. Of these daily posts, a significant proportion would be appropriate for a marketplace group. In addition to the traffic issue, much of the conflict found in this group revolves around the presence of marketplace-type posts. While it is possible that this type of conflict could also develop in the proposed groups, it is believed that the creation of marketplace groups will be of benefit to all parties involved by making the newsgroups more easily navigable. The choice to structure the proposal in its current form was not an easy one. A simple rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.marketplace group has been discussed numerous times. However, a general marketplace group has implications for all the rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.* groups most notably the rassc.vintage group. The greatest resistance to a group such as this is the unwillingness of many readers to have to search through a newsgroup containing hundreds of posts unrelated to the items they might be seeking. As previously stated, each group has developed its own norms and culture. For example: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage has expressed an interest in keeping the marketplace-type postings within their existing group at this time (with an option to expand to the marketplace format at some time in the future if it is deemed necessary). Therefore, we are faced with a challenge in trying to address the concerns of the affected newsgroup without unnecessarily disrupting the culture of the other newsgroups. The proposal is to move marketplace and discussion topics on prequels and neoclassic collectibles to four new subgroups and retain rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc for tighter, cross-collecting topics. The naming conventions ".discuss" and ".marketplace" are intended to make explicit the purpose of the groups. In addition, their use is an intentional effort to keep the discussion and marketplace groups at the same level within the hierarchy. It is believed that their use will be instrumental in helping to minimize inappropriate crossposting while also allowing for future expansion within the hierarchy. Traffic has continued to increase and many more readers have become interested in seeing this proposal come to fruition. There is currently a group for Star Wars collecting outside the scope of vintage (circa 1977-1989) called rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc. This newsgroup was created when rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting split in 1996 (one other group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing was also created, but has no relevance in this proposal). However since the theatrical release of the Star Wars prequel "The Phantom Menace" (to be referred from this point on as "TPM") there has emerged a division among the central topics discussed in RASSC.misc. Considering that George Lucas has every intention of releasing two more additional "PREQUEL"s it is strongly felt that it is time to differentiate the original trilogy of films from the trilogy that started with TPM and will include two additional films to be released in the future. To address the subject of the existing newsgroup I quote from the charter of rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc itself: >This group will be open to discussion of all issues and topics >pertaining to Star Wars collecting. The types of posts within this >group may include (but are not limited to) items for sale, items >wanted, and general discussion not covered by other subgroups of the >rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting hierarchy. Crossposting to other >rec.arts.sf.starwars.* groups is discouraged. Considering the wording of the original rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc charter, the creation of our proposed newsgroups would preclude the discussion of "neoclassic" and "prequels" collecting, while still continuing to host global and orphaned discussion on Star Wars collecting. Therefore, the proponents of this RFD feel that the continued existence of this miscellaneous Star Wars collecting newsgroup has merit. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia (manufactured post 1989) as it pertains to the original trilogy of films Star Wars - A New Hope(ANH), The Empire Strikes Back (ESB)and Return of the Jedi (ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of post 1989 manufactured Star Wars as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB & ROTJ as well as "Expanded Universe") 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles (manufactured post 1989) representing the original Star Wars trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to post 1989 manufactured Star Wars collecting as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia as it pertains to the prequel films Star Wars TPM et al (to be defined as future installments of Star Wars prequels are released in theatres) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films (two of which are still to be released). Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of Star Wars as it pertains to the prequel(s) 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles representing the Star Wars prequels either already produced or to be produced in the future. (TPM, as well as "episode II" and "episode III" both of which are as yet untitled.) 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles as they pertain to the prequel Star Wars films that take place before ANH in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to Star Wars collecting as it relates to the prequels 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation(i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc, rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage, rec.toys.action-figures.discuss This RFD may be distributed freely to other relevant newsgroups or mail lists, provided the follow-up line (to news.groups) is unaltered. Note that discussion regarding this RFD should be conducted only in news.groups! From neilc@wallaby.cc Sun Feb 6 14:26:19 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage,rec.toys.action-figures.discuss Subject: CFV: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting reorganization Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <949875733.22683@isc.org> References: <945669628.9679@isc.org> <946941523.27209@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 28 Feb 2000 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting-reorg2 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:22:14 GMT Lines: 240 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11332 news.groups:342990 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing:6277 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc:129348 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage:43180 rec.toys.action-figures.discuss:62295 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups lines: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss Original trilogy, >1989. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace Neoclassic buy/sell. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss Prequels collecting. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Prequels buy/sell/trade. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 27 Feb 2000. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Carl Kramer Proponent: Rick Adams Proponent: Michael Boyd Proponent: Adam Burakowski Proponent: Chris Georgoulias Proponent: Michael Hall Proponent: Peter Interdonato Proponent: Mike Mierzwa Proponent: Vinnie Parcesepe Proponent: Sherry Thoeny Proponent: John Wooten Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss It is strongly felt by the proponents of this reorganization that the time has come to separate the marketplace posts for neoclassic Star Wars collecting from the discussion posts. This newsgroup would be free of "For Sale" and auction posts. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This newsgroup is designed as a venue for posts concerning sales and trading of neoclassic Star Wars items, since the above newsgroup forbids such articles. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss It is strongly felt by the proponents of this reorganization that the time has come to separate the marketplace posts for prequels Star Wars collecting from the discussion posts. This newsgroup would be free of "For Sale" and auction posts. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This newsgroup is designed as a venue for posts concerning sales and trading of prequels Star Wars items, since the above newsgroup forbids such articles. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia (manufactured post 1989) as it pertains to the original trilogy of films Star Wars - A New Hope (ANH), The Empire Strikes Back (ESB) and Return of the Jedi (ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of post 1989 manufactured Star Wars as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB & ROTJ as well as "Expanded Universe") 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles (manufactured post 1989) representing the original Star Wars trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to post 1989 manufactured Star Wars collecting as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia as it pertains to the prequel films Star Wars TPM et al. (to be defined as future installments of Star Wars prequels are released in theaters) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films (two of which are still to be released). Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of Star Wars as it pertains to the prequel(s) 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles representing the Star Wars prequels either already produced or to be produced in the future. (TPM, as well as "episode II" and "episode III" both of which are as yet untitled.) 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles as they pertain to the prequel Star Wars films that take place before ANH in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to Star Wars collecting as it relates to the prequels 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. 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Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== POINTERS Pointers to this CFV will be posted to alt.fan.mad-rmgroupers. This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Feb 6 1999). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc From neilc@wallaby.cc Fri Feb 18 00:41:13 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage,rec.toys.action-figures.discuss Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting reorganization Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <950862991.1325@isc.org> References: <945669628.9679@isc.org> <946941523.27209@isc.org> <949875733.22683@isc.org> Supersedes: <949875733.22683@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 28 Feb 2000 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting-reorg2 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:36:31 GMT Lines: 244 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11352 news.groups:344582 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing:6335 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc:131113 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage:43606 rec.toys.action-figures.discuss:63156 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups lines: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss Original trilogy, >1989. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace Neoclassic buy/sell. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss Prequels collecting. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Prequels buy/sell/trade. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 27 Feb 2000. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Carl Kramer Proponent: Rick Adams Proponent: Michael Boyd Proponent: Adam Burakowski Proponent: Chris Georgoulias Proponent: Michael Hall Proponent: Peter Interdonato Proponent: Mike Mierzwa Proponent: Vinnie Parcesepe Proponent: Sherry Thoeny Proponent: John Wooten Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss It is strongly felt by the proponents of this reorganization that the time has come to separate the marketplace posts for neoclassic Star Wars collecting from the discussion posts. This newsgroup would be free of "For Sale" and auction posts. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This newsgroup is designed as a venue for posts concerning sales and trading of neoclassic Star Wars items, since the above newsgroup forbids such articles. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss It is strongly felt by the proponents of this reorganization that the time has come to separate the marketplace posts for prequels Star Wars collecting from the discussion posts. This newsgroup would be free of "For Sale" and auction posts. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This newsgroup is designed as a venue for posts concerning sales and trading of prequels Star Wars items, since the above newsgroup forbids such articles. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia (manufactured post 1989) as it pertains to the original trilogy of films Star Wars - A New Hope (ANH), The Empire Strikes Back (ESB) and Return of the Jedi (ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of post 1989 manufactured Star Wars as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB & ROTJ as well as "Expanded Universe") 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles (manufactured post 1989) representing the original Star Wars trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to post 1989 manufactured Star Wars collecting as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia as it pertains to the prequel films Star Wars TPM et al. (to be defined as future installments of Star Wars prequels are released in theaters) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films (two of which are still to be released). Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of Star Wars as it pertains to the prequel(s) 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles representing the Star Wars prequels either already produced or to be produced in the future. (TPM, as well as "episode II" and "episode III" both of which are as yet untitled.) 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles as they pertain to the prequel Star Wars films that take place before ANH in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to Star Wars collecting as it relates to the prequels 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). 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When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.wallaby.cc > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss [ ] rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== POINTERS Pointers to this CFV will be posted to alt.fan.mad-rmgroupers. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting reorganization Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- julesd@erols.invalid-hostname.com Jules Dubois This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Feb 6 1999). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc From neilc@wallaby.cc Sun Feb 27 18:11:10 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc,rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage,rec.toys.action-figures.discuss Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting reorganization all fail Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <951703455.8084@isc.org> References: <945669628.9679@isc.org> <946941523.27209@isc.org> <949875733.22683@isc.org> <950862991.1325@isc.org> Supersedes: <950862991.1325@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting-reorg2 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:04:15 GMT Lines: 302 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11362 news.groups:345724 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.customizing:6373 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc:132324 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage:43954 rec.toys.action-figures.discuss:63833 RESULT unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss fails 67:34 unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace fails 67:35 unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss fails 68:31 unmoderated group rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace fails 69:32 rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting reorganization results - 105 valid votes Yes No | 2/3 >100|Pass| Group --- --- | --- ----|----| ------------------------------------------- 67 34 | No No | No | rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss 67 35 | No No | No | rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace 68 31 | Yes No | No | rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss 69 32 | Yes No | No | rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace 6 invalid ballots For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the groups may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroups lines: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss Original trilogy, >1989. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace Neoclassic buy/sell. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss Prequels collecting. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Prequels buy/sell/trade. The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 27 Feb 2000. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Carl Kramer Proponent: Rick Adams Proponent: Michael Boyd Proponent: Adam Burakowski Proponent: Chris Georgoulias Proponent: Michael Hall Proponent: Peter Interdonato Proponent: Mike Mierzwa Proponent: Vinnie Parcesepe Proponent: Sherry Thoeny Proponent: John Wooten Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss It is strongly felt by the proponents of this reorganization that the time has come to separate the marketplace posts for neoclassic Star Wars collecting from the discussion posts. This newsgroup would be free of "For Sale" and auction posts. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This newsgroup is designed as a venue for posts concerning sales and trading of neoclassic Star Wars items, since the above newsgroup forbids such articles. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss It is strongly felt by the proponents of this reorganization that the time has come to separate the marketplace posts for prequels Star Wars collecting from the discussion posts. This newsgroup would be free of "For Sale" and auction posts. RATIONALE: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace This newsgroup is designed as a venue for posts concerning sales and trading of prequels Star Wars items, since the above newsgroup forbids such articles. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia (manufactured post 1989) as it pertains to the original trilogy of films Star Wars - A New Hope (ANH), The Empire Strikes Back (ESB) and Return of the Jedi (ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of post 1989 manufactured Star Wars as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB & ROTJ as well as "Expanded Universe") 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles (manufactured post 1989) representing the original Star Wars trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to post 1989 manufactured Star Wars collecting as it pertains to the original trilogy (ANH, ESB and ROTJ) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss This group will be unmoderated and distributed worldwide. Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Discussion of collecting Star Wars memorabilia as it pertains to the prequel films Star Wars TPM et al. (to be defined as future installments of Star Wars prequels are released in theaters) in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films (two of which are still to be released). Inappropriate posts include: 1) Commercial advertisements of any kind. 2) ANY Selling, Buying, Trading or Auctioning 3) Topics unrelated to the collecting of Star Wars as it pertains to the prequel(s) 4) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace Appropriate topics for discussion include the following: 1) Buying, Selling, Trading, Auctioning or otherwise distributing Star Wars collectibles representing the Star Wars prequels either already produced or to be produced in the future. (TPM, as well as "episode II" and "episode III" both of which are as yet untitled.) 2) Discussion of the distribution of Star Wars collectibles as they pertain to the prequel Star Wars films that take place before ANH in all its forms including all media and literature pertaining to the Star Wars universe (canon or otherwise) as it relates to these three films. Inappropriate posts include: 1) The sale of items not related to Star Wars collecting as it relates to the prequels 2) Disruptive trolling of the newsgroup specifically designed to create unneeded agitation (i.e., pointless accusations of communism). END CHARTER. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting-reorg2 Final Voter list NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses are posted only to help verify the interest poll. Thank you. rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.marketplace ------+ rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.prequels.discuss -----+| rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.marketplace ----+|| rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.neoclassic.discuss ---+||| |||| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- stuartw=one.net.au stuart wilkshire YYYY stefane=econophone.be Stefane d' Ohey YYYY cn236=freenet.carleton.ca Scott Delahunt YYYY speirs=chebucto.ns.ca Robert J.N. 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