From art@accces.com Mon Mar 9 18:15:07 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Pedro Sena Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.films,kiel.film,no.film,uk.media.films,rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies,rec.arts.movies.announce Subject: RFD: rec.arts.movies.international moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <889495832.10835@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.movies.international Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 02:10:32 GMT Lines: 91 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9843 news.groups:273562 rec.arts.movies.current-films:125111 rec.arts.movies.misc:22995 rec.arts.movies.announce:969 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.arts.movies.international This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup group.name. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroups line: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign and Art films. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.arts.movies.international Provide a forum for the discussion of many films that tend to appear in some Film Festivals only, and create an avenue for awareness and discussion of the many films that will rarely appear on your local cinema. Most have one thing in common .. subtitles, generally the accepted standard for "foreign" films. CHARTER: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign Film, is rarely discussed in the Internet, although rec.arts.movies.reviews occasionaly shows postings of reviews referring to a few of these films. However, it is not a forum for discussion, and it does not appear to generate much in the area of curiosity for these fine, and mostly unknown, films. It is the goal of the newsgroup to generate INFORMATION, DISCUSSION, REVIEWS, and other related information, for many unknown films. It is intended to connect this newsgroup to the INTERNET MOVIE DATABASE, as a way to add more links and information, regarding many of these films. Awareness of the many Film Festivals around the world, would be helped with such a newsgroup as this, by posting what they are showing, and when these events take place. At least two reviewers will be used at the start of this newsgroup, to regularly post reviews of films, that could/should add to the discussion. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.movies.international Moderator: Pedro Sena Regular rules for POSTING, and FAQ's apply, and would be posted every 30 days, or as often as admin believes it to be necessary. Moderator, does not believe that ths newsgroup would attract "chatter" or undesireables, that might otherwise maintain a good newsgroup on topic. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: Posting of this RFD is in the following newsgroups: aus.films kiel.film no.film uk.media.films rec.arts.movies.misc rec.arts.movies.current-films rec.arts.movies.announce alt.asian-movies alt.movies Proponent: Pedro Sena Proponent: Andrew Hall From art@accces.com Tue Mar 17 23:00:21 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Pedro Sena Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.films,no.film,uk.media.films,rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc,pdx.movies,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies,rec.arts.movies.announce Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.movies.international moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <890204353.25874@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.movies.international Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:59:13 GMT Lines: 96 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9871 news.groups:275138 rec.arts.movies.current-films:127340 rec.arts.movies.misc:23203 rec.arts.movies.announce:972 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.arts.movies.international Proposing the creation of a new moderated group named rec.arts.movies.international. Please do not vote at this time, as this is only a Request For Discussion. Newsgroups line: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign and Art films. (Moderated) CHANGES from previous RFD: 1. Wording, as per various suggestions made in the news.groups discussions. RATIONALE: rec.arts.movies.international Create a forum for the discussion of many films found in World Cinema, that tend to appear in some Film Festivals only. This is an opportunity whereby the awareness and discussion of these films, will help add to their luster and appeal, in the public eye. Most of these films, have one thing in common .. SUBTITLES, generally the accepted standard for "foreign" films. CHARTER: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign Film information, or any International/World Cinema question, is not easy to find in the Internet. One newsgroup, rec.arts.movies.reviews, shows postings of reviews referring to a few of these films, of which I am a contributor every chance I get. However, it is not a forum for discussion. Other newsgroups on film and movies exist, but none has a spot, or a place that aids the centering of the discussion of these foreign films. It is the hope and desire of the proponent that we can create this newsgroup, to facilitate the Discussion, Reviews, and Information, on many of these films. It is the hope of the moderator in this newsgroup, to have this newsgroup indexed at the INTERNET MOVIE DATABASE, as a way to add more links and information, regarding many of these films. A proposal has been entered at the IMD to add a script that would index a "REVIEW" which would then be archived at the IMD. This newsgroup would also facilitate news briefings, and reports to the various Film Festivals around the world, some of which have already expressed interest in participating in a newsgroup of this kind. On topic, would be listing of films, and various notes regarding it, as well as Reviews. At least three reviewers have been asked, and are now ready, to regularly post reviews of films. At this time, the support staff for this group is collecting evidence from several Film Festival Web Sites, END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.movies.international Moderator: Pedro Sena Moderator: Andrew Hall Regular rules for POSTING, and FAQ's apply, and would be posted every 30 days, or as often as admin believes it to be necessary. Moderator, does not believe that this newsgroup would attract "chatter" or undesireables, that might otherwise maintain a good newsgroup on topic. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, and articulation of ideas, in regards to the proposal of an international film newsgroup, generally found in the dusty corners of your video store, or in a film house that you do not want to take your friends, without your Steve Martin kit. This discussion is the 2nd step in creating a newsgroup, and have it be accepted by all major proponents of newsgroups. It is also in keeping with the organizational status of the Usenet, as proposed in the administrative circles of the Usenet, on the newsgroups news.announce.newsgroups and news.groups DISTRIBUTION: Posting of this RFD is in the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.films, no.film,uk.media.films, rec.arts.movies.announce,rec.arts.movies.current-films, rec.arts.movies.misc, pdx.movies,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies Proponent: Pedro Sena From art@accces.com Thu Apr 2 03:30:04 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Pedro Sena Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.films,kiel.film,uk.media.films,rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc,pdx.movies,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies,rec.arts.movies.announce Subject: 3rd RFD: rec.arts.movies.international Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <891515741.13728@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.movies.international Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:15:41 GMT Lines: 93 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9920 news.groups:277315 rec.arts.movies.current-films:132376 rec.arts.movies.misc:23496 rec.arts.movies.announce:979 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.movies.international Please do not vote at this time, as this is only a Request For Discussion. Proposing the creation of a new moderated group named rec.arts.movies.international. CHANGES from previous RFD: 1. Wording, as per various suggestions made in the news.groups discussions. 2. Removal of moderator. Deemed not necessary in discussions. Proponent Pedro Sena will re-attach his name to the Moderator position, if admin and others, find it necessary. 3. Addition of words "non-Hollywood/non-American" to proposal. Newsgroups line: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign language art films. RATIONALE: rec.arts.movies.international This is a request for discussion, and articulation of ideas, in regards to the proposal of an international film newsgroup, generally found in the dusty corners of your video store, or in a film house that you do not want to take your friends, without your Steve Martin kit. Foreign Film information, or any International/World Cinema question, is not easy to find in the Internet. The group, rec.arts.movies.reviews , shows postings of reviews referring to a few of these films, of which I am a contributor. However, it is not a forum for discussion. The Internet does not have an area that would help the many foreign language film lovers the world over to discuss their opinions, and this newsgroup facilitates that matter. Film Festivals the world over rarely fail to attract crowds, which is a sign that there is substantial interest in this area. For example, the media madness at Cannes is legendary. Cross Posting of reviews with the newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews is highly recommended as a way to get more information on many of these films into the Internet Movie Database. Films that do not generally get a wide release, with emphases on its foreign origin, non-Hollywood or non-American films. CHARTER: rec.arts.movies.international This newsgroup brings to all of us news briefings, and reports on films of non-Hollywood, non-American genres from individuals and various Film Festivals around the world, some of which have already expressed interest in participating in a newsgroup of this kind. On topic, would be listing of films, and various notes regarding it, as well as Reviews. American films, including most independent releases, are not on topic in this newsgroup, and they will be diverted to the proper newsgroups in the Usenet. However, a centered discussion on the art form itself, mentioning American film makers, is in line, since American film has offered so many an inspiration for going ahead and making their own films. For example, in a Truffaut discussion, it is ok to mention Orson Welles, or film noir, and discuss specific filmic observations. Several reviewers have committed to begin posting in this group, and add to the discussion of many of the films. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: Posting of this RFD is in the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.films,kiel.film, no.film, uk.media.films, rec.arts.movies.announce,rec.arts.movies.current-films, rec.arts.movies.misc, pdx.movies,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies Proponent: Pedro Sena From dave@dogwood.com Sun Apr 26 21:45:24 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies,aus.films,pdx.movies,rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc,uk.media.films,rec.arts.movies.announce Subject: CFV: rec.arts.movies.international Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <893652235.23967@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 19 May 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.arts.movies.international Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 04:43:55 GMT Lines: 121 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9987 news.groups:279907 rec.arts.movies.current-films:139529 rec.arts.movies.misc:24005 rec.arts.movies.announce:980 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.arts.movies.international Newsgroups line: rec.arts.movies.international Non-American art films. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Pedro Sena Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign Film information, or any kind any International/World Cinema questions, are not easy to find in the Internet. The group "rec.arts.movies.reviews" has the largest selection of mentions of Foreign Films, in part, because the proponent adds a significant amount of international film reviews. However, this newsgroup is not a forum for discussions. The Internet does not have an area that helps the many Foreign language film lovers the world over, to discuss their opinions, and this newsgroup is a first step in facilitating that. Film Festivals the world over rarely fail to attract crowds, a sign that there is substantial interest in this area. As an example, the Media Madness at Cannes, is legendary in all media. Cross Posting of reviews with rec.arts.movies.reviews is highly recommended as a way to get more information on many of these films to/from the Internet Movie Database. Films that do not get a wide release, with emphasis on its foreign origin, non Hollywood/mostly non-American films. CHARTER: rec.arts.movies.international This newsgroup will bring to all of us, news briefings, reports, and other information regarding many films of the non-Hollywood/non-American genres, from individuals, Film Festivals, and other organizations from around the world, some of which have expressed interest in this newsgroup. On topic would be listing of films, various notes, as well as reviews. American films, including most independent releases, are not on topic in this newsgroup, and they will be diverted to the proper newsgroups in the Usenet, though the newsgroup "alt.movies.independent" is not a place for discussing individual films as much as it is a place for advertising films and work. However, a centered discussion on the art form itself, mentioning American film makers, is in line, since American films have offered so many an inspiration for going ahead and making their own films. For example, a Francois Truffaut discussion could easily involve mentions of Orson Welles, and film noir. Discussion of older "Foreign Language Films" and specially Award Winners, are encouraged. Several reviewers have committed to posting in this group, and add to the discussions. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: vote@dogwood.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on rec.arts.movies.international I vote NO on rec.arts.movies.international Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com From dave@dogwood.com Wed Apr 29 18:11:37 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies,aus.films,pdx.movies,rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc,uk.media.films,rec.arts.movies.announce Subject: CFV: rec.arts.movies.international Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <893652235.23967.24599@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 19 May 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.arts.movies.international Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1998 00:30:00 GMT Lines: 121 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10004 news.groups:280507 rec.arts.movies.current-films:140316 rec.arts.movies.misc:24114 rec.arts.movies.announce:981 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.arts.movies.international Newsgroups line: rec.arts.movies.international Non-American art films. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Pedro Sena Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign Film information, or any kind any International/World Cinema questions, are not easy to find in the Internet. The group "rec.arts.movies.reviews" has the largest selection of mentions of Foreign Films, in part, because the proponent adds a significant amount of international film reviews. However, this newsgroup is not a forum for discussions. The Internet does not have an area that helps the many Foreign language film lovers the world over, to discuss their opinions, and this newsgroup is a first step in facilitating that. Film Festivals the world over rarely fail to attract crowds, a sign that there is substantial interest in this area. As an example, the Media Madness at Cannes, is legendary in all media. Cross Posting of reviews with rec.arts.movies.reviews is highly recommended as a way to get more information on many of these films to/from the Internet Movie Database. Films that do not get a wide release, with emphasis on its foreign origin, non Hollywood/mostly non-American films. CHARTER: rec.arts.movies.international This newsgroup will bring to all of us, news briefings, reports, and other information regarding many films of the non-Hollywood/non-American genres, from individuals, Film Festivals, and other organizations from around the world, some of which have expressed interest in this newsgroup. On topic would be listing of films, various notes, as well as reviews. American films, including most independent releases, are not on topic in this newsgroup, and they will be diverted to the proper newsgroups in the Usenet, though the newsgroup "alt.movies.independent" is not a place for discussing individual films as much as it is a place for advertising films and work. However, a centered discussion on the art form itself, mentioning American film makers, is in line, since American films have offered so many an inspiration for going ahead and making their own films. For example, a Francois Truffaut discussion could easily involve mentions of Orson Welles, and film noir. Discussion of older "Foreign Language Films" and specially Award Winners, are encouraged. Several reviewers have committed to posting in this group, and add to the discussions. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: vote@dogwood.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on rec.arts.movies.international I vote NO on rec.arts.movies.international Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com From dave@dogwood.com Sat May 9 11:15:10 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies,aus.films,pdx.movies,rec.arts.movies.announce,rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc,uk.media.films Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.movies.international Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <894736942.6760@isc.org> References: <893652235.23967@isc.org> Supersedes: <893652235.23967@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 19 May 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.arts.movies.international Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:02:22 GMT Lines: 121 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10064 news.groups:282262 rec.arts.movies.announce:982 rec.arts.movies.current-films:143121 rec.arts.movies.misc:24373 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.arts.movies.international Newsgroups line: rec.arts.movies.international Non-American art films. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Pedro Sena Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign Film information, or any kind any International/World Cinema questions, are not easy to find in the Internet. The group "rec.arts.movies.reviews" has the largest selection of mentions of Foreign Films, in part, because the proponent adds a significant amount of international film reviews. However, this newsgroup is not a forum for discussions. The Internet does not have an area that helps the many Foreign language film lovers the world over, to discuss their opinions, and this newsgroup is a first step in facilitating that. Film Festivals the world over rarely fail to attract crowds, a sign that there is substantial interest in this area. As an example, the Media Madness at Cannes, is legendary in all media. Cross Posting of reviews with rec.arts.movies.reviews is highly recommended as a way to get more information on many of these films to/from the Internet Movie Database. Films that do not get a wide release, with emphasis on its foreign origin, non Hollywood/mostly non-American films. CHARTER: rec.arts.movies.international This newsgroup will bring to all of us, news briefings, reports, and other information regarding many films of the non-Hollywood/non-American genres, from individuals, Film Festivals, and other organizations from around the world, some of which have expressed interest in this newsgroup. On topic would be listing of films, various notes, as well as reviews. American films, including most independent releases, are not on topic in this newsgroup, and they will be diverted to the proper newsgroups in the Usenet, though the newsgroup "alt.movies.independent" is not a place for discussing individual films as much as it is a place for advertising films and work. However, a centered discussion on the art form itself, mentioning American film makers, is in line, since American films have offered so many an inspiration for going ahead and making their own films. For example, a Francois Truffaut discussion could easily involve mentions of Orson Welles, and film noir. Discussion of older "Foreign Language Films" and specially Award Winners, are encouraged. Several reviewers have committed to posting in this group, and add to the discussions. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: vote@dogwood.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on rec.arts.movies.international I vote NO on rec.arts.movies.international Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com From dave@dogwood.com Thu May 21 13:45:15 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.asian-movies,alt.movies,aus.films,pdx.movies,rec.arts.movies.announce,rec.arts.movies.current-films,rec.arts.movies.misc,uk.media.films Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.movies.international passes 148:36 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <895782832.19097@isc.org> References: <893652235.23967@isc.org> <894736942.6760@isc.org> Supersedes: <894736942.6760@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.movies.international Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:33:54 GMT Lines: 294 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10099 news.groups:284032 rec.arts.movies.announce:983 rec.arts.movies.current-films:146010 rec.arts.movies.misc:24684 RESULT unmoderated group rec.arts.movies.international passes 148:36 There were 148 YES votes and 36 NO votes, for a total of 184 valid votes. There were 3 abstentions and 7 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.arts.movies.international Non-American art films. Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 May 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Pedro Sena Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: rec.arts.movies.international Foreign Film information, or any kind any International/World Cinema questions, are not easy to find in the Internet. The group "rec.arts.movies.reviews" has the largest selection of mentions of Foreign Films, in part, because the proponent adds a significant amount of international film reviews. However, this newsgroup is not a forum for discussions. The Internet does not have an area that helps the many Foreign language film lovers the world over, to discuss their opinions, and this newsgroup is a first step in facilitating that. Film Festivals the world over rarely fail to attract crowds, a sign that there is substantial interest in this area. As an example, the Media Madness at Cannes, is legendary in all media. Cross Posting of reviews with rec.arts.movies.reviews is highly recommended as a way to get more information on many of these films to/from the Internet Movie Database. Films that do not get a wide release, with emphasis on its foreign origin, non Hollywood/mostly non-American films. CHARTER: rec.arts.movies.international This newsgroup will bring to all of us, news briefings, reports, and other information regarding many films of the non-Hollywood/non-American genres, from individuals, Film Festivals, and other organizations from around the world, some of which have expressed interest in this newsgroup. On topic would be listing of films, various notes, as well as reviews. American films, including most independent releases, are not on topic in this newsgroup, and they will be diverted to the proper newsgroups in the Usenet, though the newsgroup "alt.movies.independent" is not a place for discussing individual films as much as it is a place for advertising films and work. However, a centered discussion on the art form itself, mentioning American film makers, is in line, since American films have offered so many an inspiration for going ahead and making their own films. For example, a Francois Truffaut discussion could easily involve mentions of Orson Welles, and film noir. Discussion of older "Foreign Language Films" and specially Award Winners, are encouraged. Several reviewers have committed to posting in this group, and add to the discussions. END CHARTER. rec.arts.movies.international Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter.Pregler@risc.uni-linz.ac.at Peter Pregler bparis@iig.com.au Bruce Paris gillard@central.murdoch.edu.au Garry Gillard soper@bucket.its.unimelb.EDU.AU John Soper jasmine@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor dvandeun@vub.ac.be Dirk van Deun crleech@freenet.carleton.ca Colin R. Leech lrr@discovery.ca Lisa Roosen-Runge charm@cois.on.ca Charles McColm helmut@sprint.ca Omar Odeh jmcgarry@uoguelph.ca James McGarry wgilbert@uwaterloo.ca Will Gilbert rtlefebv@videotron.ca Renaud T. Lefebvre ebehr@shaw.wave.ca Eve M. Behr pschoelzel@swissonline.ch Peter Schoelzel art@accces.com Pedro Sena grgngwn@accces.com George Roy sailor@accces.com Cynthia McManus kbracey@acorn.com Kevin Bracey BedfordHC@aol.com Bedford Carmichael MileFilms@aol.com Dennis Doros musemalade@aol.com MuseMalade Newmanski@aol.com newmanski@aol.com TKBowman@aol.com Todd K. Bowman ZachNorth@aol.com Zach North cdt@audiophile.com Chris Trumbore ahall@bizave.com Andrew Hall jdg@but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com John David Galt tsuib@cadvision.com stef@cat-and-dragon.com Stef Maruch Todd.Miller@courtesan.com Todd C. Miller glynd@csi.com Glyn Davies booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda julesd@edifax.com Jules Dubois snugpuff@emcst.com Eric Kinney gkerley@execpc.com Gillam Kerley curtis_whalen+usenet@geocities.com Curtis [Jewell] Whalen irmavep@geocities.com V Lesslar cinereal@hknet.com Derek Hall darkchow@idirect.com Kenneth Chow moyra@interlog.com Moyra J. Bligh vergerus@interlog.com Godfrey Lesslar dougob@javanet.com Doug O'Brien chris@kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman mlp@lucasdigital.com Marisa Pearl laudanski@msn.com Paul Laudanski jamesmck@mailbox.neosoft.com James McKelvey bhoffman@ix.netcom.com Ben Hoffman RL0919@ix.netcom.com R Lawrence seento@netcom.com Jack Maxfield belindal@netscape.com Belinda M. Leung zlatcom@Newbridge.COM ZLatco Moskun milena@notnow.com Milena Khlabystova gkbphoto@pacifier.com Garry K. Brown dc@panix.com David W. Crawford sal@panix.com Salvatore Denaro ehrlich@pobox.com Marcio Ehrlich Keegan.Folk@fin.rrd.com Keegan Folk scjacobs@rytter.com S. Jacobs oheadey@spch.com Oliver Headey stamper@stamper.com Chris Stamper hood@Eng.Sun.COM Mark Hood arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva daver@teleport.com David Reynolds mars@karmoy.mail.telia.com Lars = josephb@huitzilo.tezcat.com Joe Bernstein aeandres@ma.ultranet.com Alan Andres cohn@worldartists.com Lloyd Cohn dwcohn@worldartists.com Donna W. Cohn rhino@wwdc.com Reinhardt Christiansen leec@xmission.com Lee Choquette rique@xmission.com Eric Timpson list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder kn@maggi.prima.de dirk.gomez@sap-ag.de Dirk Gomez Thomas_Michel@t-online.de Thomas Michel UMuehlenhoff@t-online.de Moritz Mühlenhoff bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin eirias@bu.edu eirias SHODAN+@CMU.EDU Mark Shieh ab12@disco-stu.dorm.duke.edu Ana Barbir y-pisan@nwu.edu Yusuf Pisan Vladimir.Makarenko@endeavor.med.nyu.edu Vladimir Makarenko dittmer.4@osu.edu Edward P. Dittmer cgk@ou.edu Chris Kane sfulton@psc.edu R. Sean Fulton wvanwert@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu William f. Vanwert alykidis@seas.upenn.edu Alex Lykidis kamald@seas.upenn.edu Kamal Dorabawila manading@seas.upenn.edu Mark A. Nading rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus purplepanther@arrakis.es B philippe@cnam.fr Philippe Razac dutour@clipper.ens.fr Mathieu Dutour vmarxen@hol.fr Vincent Marxen toast@netvision.net.il Eyal Friedmann yoavb@netvision.net.il Yoav Ben-Artzi alberto.farina@iol.it Alberto Farina wakagi@gemini.bekkoame.ne.jp Wakagi Akatsuka nezman@pc.jaring.my Norazman Mustapha respect@aros.net Boyd Petrie w2jc@BellAtlantic.net Jim Cooper nagarwal@earthlink.net Niraj Agarwalla septimus1@earthlink.net Kevin Leung kendrick@eramp.net James Kendrick msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 HSpy@gmx.net Harald Spyra eddierad@gte.net E. S. Radomsky tsingh@gte.net T. Singh rhart@cube.ice.net Rob Hart gardiner@lava.net Dano Gardiner gabe1@metrocity.net Gabe P. gglaser@minn.net Ginger Glaser kollers@shell.mpsi.net Brian Koller rgilliam@netnet.net Richard Gilliam snorwood@redballoon.net Scott Norwood modemac@tiac.net Modemac dallosto@mail1.tread.net Duilio Dall'Osto bao@sttl.uswest.net Brad Orwall rrr@dds.nl ReindeR Rustema G.V.Kroon@el.utwente.nl Gidi Kroon boud@rempt.xs4all.nl Boudewijn Rempt irina@rempt.xs4all.nl Irina Rempt elisa@xs4all.nl Jan-Willem Swane gf@games.no Geir Friestad simon@darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall ltwilkirson@acm.org Lee T. Wilkirson clore@columbia-center.org Dan Clore hfung@lerami.lerctr.org Hank Fung (SoCalTip) djb@scream.org Dan Birchall Carlos.Canau@EUnet.pt Carlos Canau patsa@hem2.passagen.se Patrik Sanfridsson anders.engstrom@mbox2.swipnet.se Anders Engstrom mattias.thuresson@mbox300.swipnet.se Mattias Thuresson smxk@dcs.ed.ac.uk Scott Keir broonie@tardis.ed.ac.uk Mark Brown jon.maclaren@cs.man.ac.uk Jon MacLaren colin@colina.demon.co.uk Colin Paul Adams chris@differentdrum.demon.co.uk Chris Bontein andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Andrew Gierth michael@everyman.demon.co.uk Michael Brooke michael@guildart.demon.co.uk Michael Alan Hunt Simon@sgvaults.demon.co.uk Simon Robinson andy@thirdgeneration.demon.co.uk Andy Rubio philh@vision25.demon.co.uk Phil Hunt dareks@dircon.co.uk David Crossman A.Hunter@moviem.co.uk Alan Hunter Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s302728@student.uq.edu.au Ruediger Landmann chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer yan@storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille calabres@chass.utoronto.ca T.Calabrese valeriepg@aol.com Valerie Romano stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown eridani@databasix.com Belinda kpascoe@ford.com Kathy Pascoe dave@frackit.com Dave Ratcliffe jacobchase@hotmail.com Jacob Chase jkreitzer@jenner.com Joshua Kreitzer olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar tgm@netcom.com Thomas G. McWilliams David.Robinson@Eng.Sun.COM David Robinson pan@syix.com Pan Jim_Mann@transarc.com naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber schotten@ert.rwth-aachen.de Claus Schotten frankd@smaug.mi.aau.dk Frank Dabelstein harvey@iupui.edu James Harvey kopetsbj@cs.purdue.edu Brett J. Kopetsky jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Joshua Kramer rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller gbacon@pluto.cs.uah.edu Greg Bacon cstone@math.unm.edu Chris Stone hkantola@ling.helsinki.fi Heikki Kantola kk@sci.fi Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 55555 08 pbern7@earthlink.net Paul Bernhardt sean.duffy@bbs.goldengate.net Sean Duffy marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez bratcher@pdq.net Robert M. Bratcher Jr. wakelyn@pinn.net N. T. Wakelyn got@srv.net Adam Gott/usenet david@home.net.nz David Farrar amabbett@bham-assist.demon.co.uk Andy Mabbett erigbadj@postmaster.co.uk Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- guymacon@deltanet.com guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon) k95dl01@cc.kzoo.edu Dan Lawson graham@maxwell.ee.washington.edu Stephen Graham Invalid ballots ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pnsmnyv@vagrecbeg.arg Cyrus Afzali ! Invalid email address hartman@NOSPAM.tconl.com P.J. Hartman ! Invalid email address Librarian@server.umt.edu Christopher G. Mullin ! Invalid email address =?iso-8859-1?Q?Simon_H=E4rdh_=3Cvogler=40hem.passagen.se=3E?=@ios.chalmers.se Simon Härdh ! Invalid email address matthews@lakeside.sea.wa.us Matthew Stanton ! Invalid email address Luis.Canau@mail.EUnot.pt Luis Canau ! Invalif email address SUNTER@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG Wes Sunter ! No vote statement in message