From jbh@dimensional.com Mon Apr 8 15:01:41 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Joe Helfrich Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.alternative,rec.arts.comics.info Subject: RFD: rec.arts.comics.martkatplace reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 8 Apr 1996 19:01:34 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 424 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <828990080.4785@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.marketplace-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8507 news.groups:200214 rec.arts.comics.misc:191213 rec.arts.comics.alternative:16184 rec.arts.comics.info:3981 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.wanted This is a formal REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) regarding the creation of the unmoderated Usenet Newsgroups rec.arts.comics.forsale and rec.arts.comics.wanted. This is not a call for votes (CFV). Please do not vote now. To participate in this discussion, please post comments to news.groups. Newsgroup lines: rec.arts.comics.forsale Offers to sell comic books. rec.arts.comics.wanted Requests to buy comic books. RATIONALE: all groups The current r.a.c.marketplace group has a perpetually high level of traffic(*), getting higher as the internet becomes a more popular medium for commercial activity. This makes casual participation in the group very difficult, and scares off many potential buyers and sellers. (*) average of 155 posts a day over a recent 25-day period, often >225. Various proposals to split the traffic were made in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy. The one that received the most support was to separate posts from those Wanting particular books from posts offering books For Sale. This proposal does not include the "marketplace" element in the group names because it would be redundant; the nature of "forsale" and "wanted" groups would be evident without it. This is also consistent with how such groups have been named in other hierarchies (such as comp.forsale/ comp.wanted, misc.forsale/misc.wanted and numerous regional hierarcies). [ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: comp.forsale and comp.wanted are not valid groups or hierarchies. -- tale] It's common for an individual collector to concentrate primarily on buying books (building up or filling holes in their collection) or on selling books (getting money for college, leaving the hobby, etc.) at a given time. But these posts are jumbled together in r.a.c.marketplace, with "for sale" posts predominating. Splitting the group would allow individuals in "buy mode" or "sell mode" to easily read the posts directed at them without having to wade through posts targetted at their opposite. Likewise, they would be able to to "target" their {for sale/wanted} posts at people who are actually {buying/selling}. Posts from individuals looking to make trades could be crossposted to both groups. They are a very small percentage of r.a.c.marketplace traffic. R.a.c.marketplace users already send follow-ups directly to e-mail, rather than replying to the group itself, so there should be no problem of "selling" posts following up on "buying" posts, or vice versa. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.forsale This newsgroup is for posts from people offering to sell comic books and related items. Posts offering trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "wanted" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.wanted This newsgroup is for posts from people asking to buy comic books and related items. Posts asking for trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "forsale" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newsgroups). All discussion should be posted to news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker, probably the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrive. Now is NOT the time to vote. This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup: and Writing an RFD. Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.arts.comics.info rec.arts.comics.misc rec.arts.comics.marketplace rec.arts.comics.info is a moderated newsgroup. This posting has been pre-approved by the moderator, Jim Cowling. PROPONENTS: The Rec.arts.comics.* Reorganization Committee This mailing list is composed of a group of interested r.a.c.* readers who wanted to be involved in the RFD-writing process. Membership in this group should not be taken as support for any or all of the proposed newsgroups. Any intersted party is welcome to join the list. To subscribe, send an email message to listserv@nspace.cts.com, with the message subscribe rac-rfd in the body. ********** From: rac-rfd@nspace.cts.com Subject: RFD:rec.arts.comics.image.universe Newsgroups: news.groups,news.announce.newgroups,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.image REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.image.universe This is a formal REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) regarding the creation of the unmoderated Usenet Newsgroup rec.arts.comics.image.universe. This is not a call for votes (CFV). Please do not vote now. To participate in this discussion, please post comments to news.groups. Newsgroup line: rec.arts.comics.image.universe Comics set in the Image Comics shared universe RATIONALE: rec.arts.comics.image.universe In market share, Image Comics straddles the line between third and second largest publisher in the industry, often changing places on the list with DC Comics. There is currently an alt.* newsgroup (alt.comics.image) devoted to these books, and between that newsgroup and the traffic in rec.arts.comics.misc, there is easily enough news traffic to warrant a newsgroup for Image Comics. However, an increasing number of nonsuperhero and formerly self-published books are now being published by Image. As these books have little in common with the vast majority of books published by Image, interconnected titles set in a shared universe, it was decided that rac.image.universe, a newsgroup which covers this majority should be created, and exclude these other books. Further, rac.misc, the newsgroup which currently covers the topics that would be in rac.image.universe, receives in excess of 150 messages a day. A split to siphon off traffic would be good for the hierarchy as a whole. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.image.universe Rec.arts.comics.image.universe is an unmoderated newsgroup devoted to the discussion of comic books in the Image Comics Universe, the Image Universe in general, and topics related to said books. Note, however, that action figures, TV shows, movies, and such are excluded from discussion, as are sales of comics published by Image. Other newsgroups exist for these topics. Titles appropriate for discussion are those produced by the following studios and published under the Image Comics imprint, all of which have been shown to belong to a unified Image Universe. Note that this is not a comprehensive list. Studio Studio Head Example Titles ------------------------------------------------------------------ Extreme Studios Rob Liefeld Supreme, Youngblood Highbrow Entertainment Erik Larsen Savage Dragon I Before E Sam Kieth The Maxx Top Cow Marc Silvestri Cyberforce Wildstorm Jim Lee WildCATS TMP Todd McFarlane Spawn Jim Valentino Jim Valentino Shadowhawk Titles created by one of these studios, but not published by Image (e.g. Maximum Press' "Avengelyne", Marvel's "Captain America" and "Iron Man") would not be appropriate. Titles published by Image, but not part of the Image Universe (e.g. Cartoon Books' "Bone", Creative Fire Studios' "Maggie the Cat", Motown Machineworks' "Casual Heroes") would likewise be inappropriate. END CHARTER PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newsgroups). All discussion should be posted to news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker, probably the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrive. Now is NOT the time to vote. This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup: and Writing an RFD . Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following groups: news.groups news.announce.newgroups rec.arts.comics.info rec.arts.comics.misc alt.comics.image rec.arts.comics.info is a moderated newsgroup. This posting has been pre-approved by the moderator, Jim Cowling. PROPONENTS: The Rec.arts.comics.* Reorganization Committee This mailing list is composed of a group of interested r.a.c.* readers who wanted to be involved in the RFD-writing process. Membership in this group should not be taken as support for any or all of the proposed newsgroups. Any intersted party is welcome to join the list. To subscribe, send an email message to listserv@nspace.cts.com, with the message subscribe rac-rfd in the body. ********** From: rac-rfd@nspace.cts.com Subject: RFD:rec.arts.comics.industry Newsgroups: news.announce.newsgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.alternative,rec.arts.comics.misc REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.industry Newsgroup line: rec.arts.comics.industry Comic book industry news and discussion This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet Newsgroup rec.arts.comics.industry. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: rec.arts.comics.industry Discussion pertaining to the business side of the comic book industry is currently spread among several groups in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy. Rapid changes on the business end of the industry have spawned a large number of posts. The growth of the net has brought numerous comics professionals online, with a resulting increase of industry-related traffic on these groups. An industry newsgroup would consolidate such discussion in one place, removed from discussion of the artistic side of comics. Crossposting to specific company newsgroups would be encouraged when appropriate. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.industry The purpose of rec.arts.comics.industry is to provide a forum for the discussion of news and issues relating to the business, rather than creative, side of the industry. Discussion of creator's rights and advertisements for employment in the comics industry would be included in rec.arts.comics.industry. Discussions pertaining to the distribution of comics and company hiring practices, for example, would be on-topic in this newsgroup. Discussions of current storylines and creative teams would not, and should remain in their respective newsgroups. Advertisements for the purchase, sale, or trade of comic books or other related merchandise would not be on-topic for this newsgroup and should be directed to the appropriate marketplace newsgroup. The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newsgroups). All discussion should be posted to news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker, probably the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrive. Now is NOT the time to vote. This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup: and Writing an RFD. Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following groups: news.announce.newsgroups news.groups rec.arts.comics.info rec.arts.comics.alternative rec.arts.comics.misc rec.arts.comics.info is a moderated newsgroup. This posting has been pre-approved by the moderator, Jim Cowling. Additional posts have been sent to the following newsgroups to advise them of this RFD. (The RFD was not forwarded to them.) rec.arts.comics.* alt.comics.* PROPONENTS: The Rec.arts.comics.* Reorganization Committee This mailing list is composed of a group of interested r.a.c.* readers who wanted to be involved in the RFD-writing process. Membership in this group should not be taken as support for any or all of the proposed newsgroups. Any intersted party is welcome to join the list. To subscribe, send an email message to listserv@nspace.cts.com, with the message subscribe rac-rfd in the body. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** From: rac-rfd@nspace.cts.com Subject: RFD:rec.arts.comics.european Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.alternative REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.european This is a formal REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) regarding the creation of the unmoderated Usenet Newsgroup rec.arts.comics.european. This is not a call for votes (CFV). Please do not vote now. To participate in this discussion, please post comments to news.groups. Newsgroup line: rec.arts.comics.european European comics, sequential art. RATIONALE: rec.arts.comics.european The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide fans of European comics, or bande dessinees as they are also known, a newsgroup of their own to discuss these comics. European comics are a distinctly different kind of comics compared to their American counterparts. Currently, the discusion of European comics is scattered all over the Internet, mainly on local mailing-lists, like the Dutch strip-list , which devotes all its traffic to European comics or the comix-list , which devotes a significant part of the messages to European comics. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.european This unmoderated newsgroup will provide a forum for discussing: All comics which are produced in Europe, intended for the European market and/or created by European creators. Excluded are those comics which are reprints of American or other non-European comics. Excluded are also for sale or wanted posts. A special case is the United Kingdom. While UK comics (e.g. 2000 A.D.) will be discussed in this newsgroup, titles published directly for the American market (Watchmen, From Hell) are excluded, as is the output of a publisher like Marvel UK, which is a European subsidiary of an American publisher and has more in common with American comics. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newsgroups). All discussion should be posted to news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker, probably the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrive. Now is NOT the time to vote. This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup: and Writing an RFD . Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.arts.comics.misc rec.arts.comics.info rec.arts.comics.alternative Additional messages have been sent to the following mailing lists and newsgroups to advise them of this RFD. (The RFD was not forwarded to them.) The comix-list The dutch comics list. The Disney comics list. alt.comics.alternative alt.comics.ralf_konig alt.comics.2000ad alt.fan.tank-girl PROPONENTS: The Rec.arts.comics.* Reorganization Committee This mailing list is composed of a group of interested r.a.c.* readers who wanted to be involved in the RFD-writing process. Membership in this group should not be taken as support for any or all of the proposed newsgroups. Any intersted party is welcome to join the list. To subscribe, send an email message to listserv@nspace.cts.com, with the message subscribe rac-rfd in the body From dubach1@husc.harvard.edu Mon Apr 15 16:24:29 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Joev Dubach Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace Subject: RFD: rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Apr 1996 20:24:23 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 128 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <829599862.27619@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: RAC Split NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.marketplace-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8555 news.groups:201322 rec.arts.comics.info:4033 rec.arts.comics.misc:192444 rec.arts.comics.marketplace:105937 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.wanted This is a formal REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) regarding the creation of the unmoderated Usenet Newsgroups rec.arts.comics.forsale and rec.arts.comics.wanted. This is not a call for votes (CFV). Please do not vote now. To participate in this discussion, please post comments to news.groups. Newsgroup lines: rec.arts.comics.forsale Offers to sell comic books. rec.arts.comics.wanted Requests to buy comic books. RATIONALE: all groups The current r.a.c.marketplace group has a perpetually high level of traffic(*), getting higher as the internet becomes a more popular medium for commercial activity. This makes casual participation in the group very difficult, and scares off many potential buyers and sellers. (*) average of 155 posts a day over a recent 25-day period, often >225. Various proposals to split the traffic were made in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy. The one that received the most support was to separate posts from those Wanting particular books from posts offering books For Sale. This proposal does not include the "marketplace" element in the group names because it would be redundant; the nature of "forsale" and "wanted" groups would be evident without it. This is also consistent with how such groups have been named in other hierarchies (such as comp.forsale/ comp.wanted, misc.forsale/misc.wanted and numerous regional hierarcies). It's common for an individual collector to concentrate primarily on buying books (building up or filling holes in their collection) or on selling books (getting money for college, leaving the hobby, etc.) at a given time. But these posts are jumbled together in r.a.c.marketplace, with "for sale" posts predominating. Splitting the group would allow individuals in "buy mode" or "sell mode" to easily read the posts directed at them without having to wade through posts targetted at their opposite. Likewise, they would be able to to "target" their {for sale/wanted} posts at people who are actually {buying/selling}. Posts from individuals looking to make trades could be crossposted to both groups. They are a very small percentage of r.a.c.marketplace traffic. R.a.c.marketplace users already send follow-ups directly to e-mail, rather than replying to the group itself, so there should be no problem of "selling" posts following up on "buying" posts, or vice versa. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.forsale This newsgroup is for posts from people offering to sell comic books and related items. Posts offering trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "wanted" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.wanted This newsgroup is for posts from people asking to buy comic books and related items. Posts asking for trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "forsale" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newsgroups). All discussion should be posted to news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker, probably the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrive. Now is NOT the time to vote. This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup: and Writing an RFD. Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.arts.comics.info rec.arts.comics.misc rec.arts.comics.marketplace rec.arts.comics.info is a moderated newsgroup. This posting has been pre-approved by the moderator, Jim Cowling. Proponents: Rec.arts.comics.* Reorganization Committee This mailing list is composed of a group of interested r.a.c.* readers who wanted to be involved in the RFD-writing process. Membership in this group should not be taken as support for any or all of the proposed newsgroups. Any intersted party is welcome to join the list. To subscribe, send an email message to listserv@nspace.cts.com, with the message subscribe rac-rfd in the body. From verbeek@hope.cit.hope.edu Thu May 2 23:01:21 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: verbeek@hope.cit.hope.edu (Todd VerBeek) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 3 May 1996 03:01:14 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 116 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <831092470.25884@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: rac-rfd@nspace.cts.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.marketplace-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8624 news.groups:205021 rec.arts.comics.misc:194879 rec.arts.comics.marketplace:109175 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted This is a formal REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) regarding the creation of the unmoderated Usenet Newsgroups rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale and rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted. This is not a call for votes (CFV). Please do not vote now. To participate in this discussion, please post comments to news.groups. Newsgroup lines: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale Offers to sell comic books. rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted Requests to buy comic books. RATIONALE: all groups The current r.a.c.marketplace group has a perpetually high level of traffic(*), getting higher as the internet becomes a more popular medium for commercial activity. This makes casual participation in the group very difficult, and scares off many potential buyers and sellers. (*) average of 155 posts a day over a recent 25-day period, often >225. Various proposals to split the traffic were made in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy. The one that received the most support was to separate posts from those Wanting particular books from posts offering books For Sale. It's common for an individual collector to concentrate primarily on buying books (building up or filling holes in their collection) or on selling books (getting money for college, leaving the hobby, etc.) at a given time. But these posts are jumbled together in r.a.c.marketplace, with "for sale" posts predominating. Splitting the group would allow individuals in "buy mode" or "sell mode" to easily read the posts directed at them without having to wade through posts targetted at the opposite. Likewise, they would be able to to "target" their {for sale/wanted} posts at people who are actually {buying/selling}. This would be especially helpful to "casual sellers" who don't read r.a.c.marketplace because of the low return on their investment of time. Posts from individuals looking to make trades could be crossposted to both groups. They are a very small percentage of r.a.c.marketplace traffic. R.a.c.marketplace users already send follow-ups directly to e-mail, rather than replying to the group itself, so there should be no problem of "selling" posts following up on "buying" posts, or vice versa. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale This newsgroup is for posts from people offering to sell comic books and related items. Posts offering trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "wanted" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted This newsgroup is for posts from people asking to buy comic books and related items. Posts asking for trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "forsale" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newsgroups). All discussion should be posted to news.groups. At the end of the discussion period, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker, probably the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the time to vote arrive. Now is NOT the time to vote. This RFD attempts to fully comply with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup: and Writing an RFD. Please refer to these documents if you have questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.arts.comics.info rec.arts.comics.misc rec.arts.comics.marketplace PROPONENTS: The Rec.arts.comics.* Reorganization Committee From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Tue Jul 9 16:47:46 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace Subject: CFV: rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Jul 1996 20:48:37 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 156 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 31 Jul 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <836945314.14552@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: voting@hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.marketplace-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8916 news.groups:216358 rec.arts.comics.info:4616 rec.arts.comics.misc:201802 rec.arts.comics.marketplace:123020 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale Offers to sell comic books. rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted Requests to buy comic books. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: RAC RFD Committee Votetaker: Jani Patokallio RATIONALE: all groups The current r.a.c.marketplace group has a perpetually high level of traffic(*), getting higher as the internet becomes a more popular medium for commercial activity. This makes casual participation in the group very difficult, and scares off many potential buyers and sellers. (*) average of 155 posts a day over a recent 25-day period, often >225. Various proposals to split the traffic were made in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy. The one that received the most support was to separate posts from those Wanting particular books from posts offering books For Sale. It's common for an individual collector to concentrate primarily on buying books (building up or filling holes in their collection) or on selling books (getting money for college, leaving the hobby, etc.) at a given time. But these posts are jumbled together in r.a.c.marketplace, with "for sale" posts predominating. Splitting the group would allow individuals in "buy mode" or "sell mode" to easily read the posts directed at them without having to wade through posts targetted at the opposite. Likewise, they would be able to to "target" their {for sale/wanted} posts at people who are actually {buying/selling}. This would be especially helpful to "casual sellers" who don't read r.a.c.marketplace because of the low return on their investment of time. Posts from individuals looking to make trades could be crossposted to both groups. They are a very small percentage of r.a.c.marketplace traffic. R.a.c.marketplace users already send follow-ups directly to e-mail, rather than replying to the group itself, so there should be no problem of "selling" posts following up on "buying" posts, or vice versa. END RATIONALE. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale This newsgroup is for posts from people offering to sell comic books and related items. Posts offering trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "wanted" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted This newsgroup is for posts from people asking to buy comic books and related items. Posts asking for trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "forsale" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: * Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! * Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: < voting@hut.fi > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. * In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. * Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation * DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorg | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale [ ] rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: Pointers to this CFV will be posted to the following groups: rec.arts.comics.* alt.comics.* -- Jani Patokallio Voting address: From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Sat Jul 20 14:02:09 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorganization Supersedes: <836945314.14552@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Jul 1996 18:01:57 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 156 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 31 Jul 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <837885714.17740@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: voting@hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.marketplace-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8969 news.groups:219038 rec.arts.comics.info:4675 rec.arts.comics.misc:203269 rec.arts.comics.marketplace:125548 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale Offers to sell comic books. rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted Requests to buy comic books. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: RAC RFD Committee Votetaker: Jani Patokallio RATIONALE: all groups The current r.a.c.marketplace group has a perpetually high level of traffic(*), getting higher as the internet becomes a more popular medium for commercial activity. This makes casual participation in the group very difficult, and scares off many potential buyers and sellers. (*) average of 155 posts a day over a recent 25-day period, often >225. Various proposals to split the traffic were made in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy. The one that received the most support was to separate posts from those Wanting particular books from posts offering books For Sale. It's common for an individual collector to concentrate primarily on buying books (building up or filling holes in their collection) or on selling books (getting money for college, leaving the hobby, etc.) at a given time. But these posts are jumbled together in r.a.c.marketplace, with "for sale" posts predominating. Splitting the group would allow individuals in "buy mode" or "sell mode" to easily read the posts directed at them without having to wade through posts targetted at the opposite. Likewise, they would be able to to "target" their {for sale/wanted} posts at people who are actually {buying/selling}. This would be especially helpful to "casual sellers" who don't read r.a.c.marketplace because of the low return on their investment of time. Posts from individuals looking to make trades could be crossposted to both groups. They are a very small percentage of r.a.c.marketplace traffic. R.a.c.marketplace users already send follow-ups directly to e-mail, rather than replying to the group itself, so there should be no problem of "selling" posts following up on "buying" posts, or vice versa. END RATIONALE. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale This newsgroup is for posts from people offering to sell comic books and related items. Posts offering trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "wanted" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted This newsgroup is for posts from people asking to buy comic books and related items. Posts asking for trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "forsale" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: * Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! * Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: < voting@hut.fi > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. * In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. * Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation * DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorg | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale [ ] rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: Pointers to this CFV will be posted to the following groups: rec.arts.comics.* alt.comics.* -- Jani Patokallio Voting address: From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Wed Jul 31 12:16:20 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.comics.info,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorganization both groups fail Supersedes: <837885714.17740@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 31 Jul 1996 12:16:00 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 254 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <838829749.22145@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: rec.arts.comics.marketplace-reorg Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8995 news.groups:222644 rec.arts.comics.info:4752 rec.arts.comics.misc:204536 rec.arts.comics.marketplace:128050 RESULT unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) fails 108:29 unmoderated group rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted fails 104:31 rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorganization results - 137 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 108 29 : Yes No : No : rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) 104 31 : Yes No : No : rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted 1 invalid vote Newsgroups line: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale Offers to sell comic books. rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted Requests to buy comic books. The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: RAC RFD Committee Votetaker: Jani Patokallio VOTETAKER'S NOTE: Due to a system shutdown at HUT, some votes sent on the 30th may have been lost or bounced back. As these votes would not have affected the results of the vote, I decided to simply end the vote as originally scheduled instead of extending the voting period. RATIONALE: all groups The current r.a.c.marketplace group has a perpetually high level of traffic(*), getting higher as the internet becomes a more popular medium for commercial activity. This makes casual participation in the group very difficult, and scares off many potential buyers and sellers. (*) average of 155 posts a day over a recent 25-day period, often >225. Various proposals to split the traffic were made in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy. The one that received the most support was to separate posts from those Wanting particular books from posts offering books For Sale. It's common for an individual collector to concentrate primarily on buying books (building up or filling holes in their collection) or on selling books (getting money for college, leaving the hobby, etc.) at a given time. But these posts are jumbled together in r.a.c.marketplace, with "for sale" posts predominating. Splitting the group would allow individuals in "buy mode" or "sell mode" to easily read the posts directed at them without having to wade through posts targetted at the opposite. Likewise, they would be able to to "target" their {for sale/wanted} posts at people who are actually {buying/selling}. This would be especially helpful to "casual sellers" who don't read r.a.c.marketplace because of the low return on their investment of time. Posts from individuals looking to make trades could be crossposted to both groups. They are a very small percentage of r.a.c.marketplace traffic. R.a.c.marketplace users already send follow-ups directly to e-mail, rather than replying to the group itself, so there should be no problem of "selling" posts following up on "buying" posts, or vice versa. END RATIONALE. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale This newsgroup is for posts from people offering to sell comic books and related items. Posts offering trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "wanted" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. CHARTER: rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted This newsgroup is for posts from people asking to buy comic books and related items. Posts asking for trades should be crossposted to the appropriate "forsale" group. The use of keywords for publisher, title, and/or era is strongly encouraged. Postings from professional retailers and shops are welcome, provided they prefix their messages with "COMMERCIAL:" or "COM:" The group will be unmoderated. END CHARTER. DISTRIBUTION: Pointers to this RESULT will be posted to the following groups: rec.arts.comics.* alt.comics.* rec.arts.comics.marketplace reorganization Final Vote Ack rec.arts.comics.marketplace.wanted ----+ rec.arts.comics.marketplace.forsale (renames rec.arts.comics.marketplace) --+| || 73141.1332@CompuServe.COM Dale A. Wieber YY aearhart@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Alan D. Earhart YY amethyst@jadzia.demon.co.uk Marysia Kolodziej YY arkham@buffnet.net Paul Myers II YY arromdee@hops.cs.jhu.edu Ken Arromdee YY aw038@freenet.carleton.ca Ken Boechler NN bart@seas.ucla.edu Bart C. Nielsen YY bauerle@crypt.erie.ge.com Ron Bauerle YY bhance@primenet.com Brian Hance YY boies00@gel.ulaval.ca DOMINIQUE BOIES YY booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda NN bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin YY Bram.Buitendijk@library.knaw.nl Bram Buitendijk YY brett@on-ramp.ior.com Brett George YY briareus@feist.com John Roushkolb NN bruells@rogue.ecce-terram.de Peter Brülls YY bzavitz@fres2.glfc.forestry.ca BRIAN ZAVITZ YY cep@best.com Christophe YY ChrisDay@aol.com Christopher Day YY claus@ns.acadiacom.net Andreas Smatzny NN cls48@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu Chris Stamper NN csaamw@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers NN cwarsaw@cen.com Craig Warsaw YY daly@ppd.Kodak.COM Matthew Daly NN dancer@aurora.cis.upenn.edu Johanna Draper NN david.reis@itron.com David Reis YY dbrinker@earthlink.net Don Brinker YY dcote@stick.mv.com David Cote NN denison.8@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Eric Denison YY dfulton169@aol.com Daniel Fulton NN dlv@bwalk.dm.com Dr. Dimitri Vulis NN dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu Donald Newcomb YY docangst@mcs.com Jeff Williamson YY doug@tensor.microserve.com Carl Anderson YY drs@instanet.com Derek R. Spencer YY dstroud@triassic-143.Eng.Sun.COM Donald Stroud YY dubach1@husc.HARVARD.EDU Joev Dubach YY DXR111@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Deepak Ramani YY dzeller@cs.bgsu.edu Dean Zeller YY edge@indiana.edu Ronald D. Edge YY eds7466@UMoncton.ca Danny Sichel YY elde@hurricane.net Derek Lyons NN emyers@utmdacc.mda.uth.tmc.edu Eric G. Myers YY ephraim@ctr.columbia.edu Eric Jaron Stieglitz YY f-garcia@es2.fr Florent Garcia YY fuy1@gl.umbc.edu Francis Uy YY godai@neosoft.com Chris Hutts YY gustavus@iglou.com Steve Gustafson NN hjp@eden.rutgers.edu I M. Bored YY jac72723@Bayou.UH.EDU Jacob Clifton YY jbh9@ix.netcom.com John Holbrook YY jcabtan@pennywise.com Jean-Claude Abtan YY jdroth@hsonline.net Jonathan D. Roth YY JEFF-D@VM.VIPS.COM Jeff R. Dicken YY jeitner@alumni.caltech.edu Dave Jeitner YY jhahn@nslsilus.org Aardy R. DeVarque NN jjewell@ix.netcom.com Jeffrey S. Jewell YY jlane@pathfinder.com Jason J. Lane YY jmichael@slip.net Jeff Michael YY jmoore01@genesee.freenet.org Jason Moore YY JohnHeaton@aol.com John Heaton NN julian@haven.boston.ma.us Kate Martin YY juvenile@leland.Stanford.EDU Eric Tsai YY katew@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu Katharine Weizel YY khan@cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan NN kim@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn YY kvarkey@airmail.net Vince Varkey YY lbill@abs.net Bill Larduskey YY Lis1@cris.com Brad Falk YY list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder YY lverhulst@NMFF.NWU.EDU Leane Verhulst YY mac7@po.CWRU.Edu Michael Chary NN mellnger@acs.bu.edu Peter Meilinger YY mkellis@hoshi.Colorado.EDU Michael Ellis YY ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu Michael Loomis NN mosquito@mail.utexas.edu John N Mosqueda YY mperna@pluto.njcc.com Marc Perna YY mrlavin@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU Michael R. Lavin YY msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 YY mvhaas@elpaso.net Merlin Haas YY naddy@mips.pfalz.de Christian Weisgerber YY nick@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri NN olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar NN ollivier.robert@eurocontrol.fr Ollivier Robert NN orbit@ix.netcom.com Michael R. Grabois YY orc@pell.chi.il.us david parsons NN patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. 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Walker YY shedd@dreamscape.com Paul Shedd YY sjbowen@worldnet.att.net Steve Bowen YY stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown NN stdtdc@unx1.shsu.edu Toby Craig YY stend@grendel.austin.texas.net Sten Drescher YY stryker@winc.com Scott M. Greco YY tc@regie.franken.de Manuel Thierschmidt YY thompson@coldcut.com Mark Thompson YY TJASKIEW@us.oracle.com Tom Jaskiewicz Y- tjfranov@nyc.pipeline.com Tom Franov YY tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson NN tracey@toledolink.com Tracey Steele YY tragedy@saturn.net Daniel F. McKinnon YY troyesq@indirect.com T. Troy McNemar YY twells@netcom.com Tabor J. Wells YY tyg@netcom.com Tom Galloway NN verbeek@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU Todd VerBeek YY vomit@panix.com Danny Shopsin YY weihman@gte.net Stephen J. Weihman YY whsudder@hamlet.uncg.edu William Sudderth YY witness@pop.erols.com Jeff Rew YY wmay@cisco.com Bill May YY woodarda@acf2.NYU.EDU Andrew D. Woodard YY wpeeters@ruca.ua.ac.be Werner Peeters YY wphahn@eos.ncsu.edu William P. Hahn YY ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yeechang Lee YY yorick@conch.aa.msen.com Steven Arlow YY zed@cjnetworks.com Ned YY zedd@intersurf.com Drew Zeigler YY Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jbone@siue.edu Jimmie D Bone ! No ballot -- Jani Patokallio Voting address: