From pjh1@leicester.ac.uk Fri Oct 20 18:00:59 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Pete Humble Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.transport.rail.europe,uk.railway Subject: RFD: misc.transport.rail.uk Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 Oct 1995 22:00:54 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 75 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <46966m$e2v@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.rail.uk Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7718 news.groups:170895 misc.transport.rail.europe:3588 uk.railway:1525 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group misc.transport.rail.uk Proposed by: Pete Humble This a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) concerning the creation of a new unmoderated newsgroup called misc.transport.rail.uk. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV). Please do not vote at this time. RATIONALE: misc.transport.rail.uk It is clear from the amount of traffic on the existing (not properly propagated) newsgroup uk.railway that there is a lot of interest in the discussion of British railways on the net. Although this group was never created properly and many sites do not carry it as a result, between 12th and 15th October 1995 there were 51 messages totalling 83912 bytes of information. In addition, because of the poor propagation of uk.railway, there is significant traffic in uk.transport and misc.transport.rail.europe. There is great resistance by people interested in British railways to use misc.transport.rail.europe as they see most of the discussion as being irrelevant to them, and would only be interested in joining a group in the 'Big 8' if it were specifcally about Britain. In any case, with the exception of EuroStar, which is very specialised, British railways have nothing in common with the rest of Europe. At the moment the UK are reorganising the hierarcy and there are proposals to rename and formally create 'uk.railway'. If this happens, then discussion of British railways will effectively be restricted to those who can receive the uk hierarchy. This proposal is an attempt to broaden the scope of the newsgroup so that people outside the UK who are interested in British railways (of which I believe there are many) may also join in the discussion. This is why this RFD is also being cross-posted to uk.net.news.announce. CHARTER: misc.transport.rail.uk Discussions on all aspects of UK railways including history, preservation and current issues. Requests of the form 'Where can I get books in the USA' and 'How do I get to my sister's house from Heathrow' are to be discouraged, as is blatant advertising. Language: The language on misc.transport.rail.uk will be English. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This RFD has been prepared in accordance with the requirements contained in the USENET guidelines for creation of new newsgroups. Discussion of the RFD will continue for at least 22 days from the date it appears on news.groups and news.announce.newgroups. The discussion will take place on news.groups, which is a group dedicated to the discussion of new newsgroups, and anyone is encouraged to participate. A second RFD will be issued if the need arises. However, if there are still problems with the RFD after 30 days, discussion will be taken off-line. Otherwise, at the end of the RFD discussion, the CFV will be issued and the vote conduted by a neutral third party, the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers(UVV). DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, misc.transport.rail.europe, uk.railway, uk.net.news.announce All discussion to be held in news.groups, to which followups have been directed. -- ___ __o Pete Humble, Computer Centre, Leicester University -- _ \<,_ Leicester, LE1 7RH, U.K. -- (_)/ (_) Email: pjh1@le.ac.uk ICBMnet: 52 37' 23" N, 01 07' 24" W ================= These opinions are mine and not necessarily my employers. From pjh1@leicester.ac.uk Mon Nov 6 15:09:15 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Pete Humble Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.transport.rail.europe,uk.railway,uk.transport Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Followup-To: news.groups Date: 6 Nov 1995 20:09:12 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 131 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <815688550.18751@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7830 news.groups:172888 misc.transport.rail.europe:3770 uk.railway:1687 uk.transport:26741 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Proposed by: Pete Humble CHANGES from previous RFD: Change of name of proposed group from misc.transport.rail.uk to misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland. Addition of charter for misc.transport.rail.* to make it similar to other m.t.r groups and addition of short paragraphs about advertising, repeated postings and binary postings. Addition of cross-post to uk.transport, which was accidentally omitted first time. END CHANGES. This a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) concerning the creation of a new unmoderated newsgroup called misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV). Please do not vote at this time. RATIONALE: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland It is clear from the amount of traffic on the existing (not properly propagated) newsgroups uk.railway and uk.railways (now rmgrouped) that there is a lot of interest in the discussion of British railways on the net. Although these groups were never created properly and many sites do not carry either as a result, they still carry reasonable traffic that is not cross-posted elsewhere. In addition, because of the poor propagation of these groups, there is significant traffic in uk.transport and misc.transport.rail.europe. There is great resistance by people interested in British railways to use misc.transport.rail.europe as they see most of the discussion as being irrelevant to them, and the high internet connection costs that some people are forced to pay means that they will not join a group with a lot of irrelevant messages. In any case, with the exception of EuroStar which is very specialised, British railways have nothing in common with the rest of Europe. At the moment the UK are reorganising the hierarchy and there are proposals to rename and formally create 'uk.railway'. If this happens, then discussion of British railways will effectively be restricted to those who can receive the uk hierarchy. This proposal is an attempt to broaden the scope of the newsgroup so that people outside the UK who are interested in British railways (of which I believe there are many) may also join in the discussion. This is why this RFD is also being cross-posted to uk.net.news.announce. CHARTER: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland misc.transport.rail.*: --------------------- The misc.transport.rail.* newsgroups are for discussion of all aspects of railways, railroads and rail transportation in general. Topics that will be discussed include, but are in no way limited to, train watching, railfanning, operations, history, preservation, technology, locomotives, freight and passenger cars, political, economic and social issues regarding rail transport, the future of rail transport and the infrastructure of rail transport. This list is not meant to be all-inclusive, it is simply intended to give an idea of the topics appropriate to the newsgroup(s). These groups are meant to include all discussions and issues regarding rail transport. Therefore, everyone, including railfans of all types, those in the rail transport industry, rail passengers and anyone interested in trains is welcome (and encouraged) to participate in the discussions. Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for these groups, but individuals may post for sale messages for railroad related books, magazines, etc. and legally obtained collectors items and railroadiana. Binary postings of any sort are not appropriate. Announcements of railfan trips, excursions, exhibitions and other such events are encouraged. misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland: ------------------------------ Discussions on railways in the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. Requests of the form 'Where can I get books in the USA' and 'How do I get to my sister's house from Heathrow' are to be discouraged. All allowed commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is not wanted. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are not wanted. They should be sent to alt.binaries.pictures.rail. LANGUAGE: The language on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland will be English. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This RFD has been prepared in accordance with the requirements contained in the USENET guidelines for creation of new newsgroups. Discussion of the RFD will continue for at least 22 days from the date it appears on news.groups and news.announce.newgroups. The discussion will take place on news.groups, which is a group dedicated to the discussion of new newsgroups, and anyone is encouraged to participate. A second RFD will be issued if the need arises. However, if there are still problems with the RFD after 30 days, discussion will be taken off-line. Otherwise, at the end of the RFD discussion, the CFV will be issued and the vote conduted by a neutral third party, the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers(UVV). DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been cross-posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, misc.transport.rail.europe, uk.railway, uk.transport, uk.net.news.announce All discussion to be held in news.groups, to which followups have been directed. Please feel free to repost the RFD (in full, and not edited please) to relevant mailing lists and other relevant newsgroups. From warren@syra.net Sun Nov 26 23:24:24 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.transport.rail.europe,uk.railway,uk.transport Subject: CFV: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Followup-To: poster Date: 27 Nov 1995 04:24:20 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 122 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 19 Dec 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <12473.14938.105430@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: voting@Syra.NET NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7934 news.groups:176213 misc.transport.rail.europe:4036 uk.railway:2068 uk.transport:28604 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Newsgroups line: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Railways of British Isles, past & present. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Pete Humble Mentor: Richard Gadsden Votetaker: Warren Lavallee RATIONALE: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland It is clear from the amount of traffic on the existing (not well propagated) newsgroups uk.railway and uk.railways (now rmgrouped) that there is a lot of interest in the discussion of British railways on the net. Although these groups were never created properly and many sites do not carry either as a result, they still carry reasonable traffic that is not cross-posted elsewhere. In addition, because of the poor propagation of these groups, there is significant traffic in uk.transport and misc.transport.rail.europe. There is great resistance by people interested in British railways to use misc.transport.rail.europe as they see most of the discussion as being irrelevant to them, and the high internet connection costs that some people are forced to pay means that they will not join a group with a lot of irrelevant messages. In any case, with the exception of EuroStar which is very specialised, British railways have no connection with the rest of Europe, and there is surprisingly little overlap in interest, by railfans, in British railways and those of Continental Europe. At the moment the UK are reorganising the hierarchy and there are proposals to rename and formally create 'uk.railway'. If this happens, then discussion of British railways will effectively be restricted to those who can receive the uk hierarchy. This proposal is an attempt to broaden the scope of the newsgroup so that people outside the UK who are interested in British railways (of which I believe there are many) may also join in the discussion. This is why this CFV is also being cross-posted to uk.net.news.announce. CHARTER: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Discussions on railways in the British Isles, including UK, Republic of Ireland, Isle of Man and Channel Islands. Requests of the form 'Where can I get books in the USA' and 'How do I get to my sister's house from Heathrow' are to be discouraged. All allowed commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is not wanted. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are not wanted. They should be sent to alt.binaries.pictures.rail. The language on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland will be English. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@Syra.NET Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland I vote NO on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as votes and don't affect the vote count. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: This Call for Votes is being posted to the following newsgroups: misc.transport.rail.europe uk.railway uk.transport uk.net.news.announce From warren@syra.net Sun Dec 10 08:41:59 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.transport.rail.europe,uk.railway,uk.transport Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 10 Dec 1995 13:41:54 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 122 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 19 Dec 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@Syra.NET NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:7979 news.groups:178380 misc.transport.rail.europe:4450 uk.railway:2454 uk.transport:29773 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Newsgroups line: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Railways of British Isles, past & present. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Pete Humble Mentor: Richard Gadsden Votetaker: Warren Lavallee RATIONALE: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland It is clear from the amount of traffic on the existing (not well propagated) newsgroups uk.railway and uk.railways (now rmgrouped) that there is a lot of interest in the discussion of British railways on the net. Although these groups were never created properly and many sites do not carry either as a result, they still carry reasonable traffic that is not cross-posted elsewhere. In addition, because of the poor propagation of these groups, there is significant traffic in uk.transport and misc.transport.rail.europe. There is great resistance by people interested in British railways to use misc.transport.rail.europe as they see most of the discussion as being irrelevant to them, and the high internet connection costs that some people are forced to pay means that they will not join a group with a lot of irrelevant messages. In any case, with the exception of EuroStar which is very specialised, British railways have no connection with the rest of Europe, and there is surprisingly little overlap in interest, by railfans, in British railways and those of Continental Europe. At the moment the UK are reorganising the hierarchy and there are proposals to rename and formally create 'uk.railway'. If this happens, then discussion of British railways will effectively be restricted to those who can receive the uk hierarchy. This proposal is an attempt to broaden the scope of the newsgroup so that people outside the UK who are interested in British railways (of which I believe there are many) may also join in the discussion. This is why this CFV is also being cross-posted to uk.net.news.announce. CHARTER: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Discussions on railways in the British Isles, including UK, Republic of Ireland, Isle of Man and Channel Islands. Requests of the form 'Where can I get books in the USA' and 'How do I get to my sister's house from Heathrow' are to be discouraged. All allowed commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is not wanted. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are not wanted. They should be sent to alt.binaries.pictures.rail. The language on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland will be English. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@Syra.NET Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland I vote NO on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as votes and don't affect the vote count. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid vote will count. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: This Call for Votes is being posted to the following newsgroups: misc.transport.rail.europe uk.railway uk.transport uk.net.news.announce From warren@syra.net Tue Dec 19 17:23:08 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.transport.rail.europe,uk.railway,uk.transport Subject: RESULT: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland fails 115:43 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 19 Dec 1995 17:23:01 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 268 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8032 news.groups:180134 misc.transport.rail.europe:4655 uk.railway:2621 uk.transport:30334 RESULT unmoderated group misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland fails 115:43 There were 115 YES votes and 43 NO votes, for a total of 158 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 5 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroups line: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Railways of British Isles, past & present. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Pete Humble Mentor: Richard Gadsden Votetaker: Warren Lavallee RATIONALE: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland It is clear from the amount of traffic on the existing (not well propagated) newsgroups uk.railway and uk.railways (now rmgrouped) that there is a lot of interest in the discussion of British railways on the net. Although these groups were never created properly and many sites do not carry either as a result, they still carry reasonable traffic that is not cross-posted elsewhere. In addition, because of the poor propagation of these groups, there is significant traffic in uk.transport and misc.transport.rail.europe. There is great resistance by people interested in British railways to use misc.transport.rail.europe as they see most of the discussion as being irrelevant to them, and the high internet connection costs that some people are forced to pay means that they will not join a group with a lot of irrelevant messages. In any case, with the exception of EuroStar which is very specialised, British railways have no connection with the rest of Europe, and there is surprisingly little overlap in interest, by railfans, in British railways and those of Continental Europe. At the moment the UK are reorganising the hierarchy and there are proposals to rename and formally create 'uk.railway'. If this happens, then discussion of British railways will effectively be restricted to those who can receive the uk hierarchy. This proposal is an attempt to broaden the scope of the newsgroup so that people outside the UK who are interested in British railways (of which I believe there are many) may also join in the discussion. This is why this CFV is also being cross-posted to uk.net.news.announce. CHARTER: misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Discussions on railways in the British Isles, including UK, Republic of Ireland, Isle of Man and Channel Islands. Requests of the form 'Where can I get books in the USA' and 'How do I get to my sister's house from Heathrow' are to be discouraged. All allowed commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is not wanted. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are not wanted. They should be sent to alt.binaries.pictures.rail. The language on misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland will be English. END CHARTER. DISTRIBUTION: This Call for Votes is being posted to the following newsgroups: misc.transport.rail.europe uk.railway uk.transport uk.net.news.announce misc.transport.rail.uk+ireland Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A.H.Henry@bath.ac.uk A.Waugh@mel.dit.csiro.au Andrew Waugh ac205@ccn.cs.dal.ca J. David Perkins ae446@freenet.carleton.ca Nigel Allen ag414@freenet.carleton.ca Colin R. Leech ahlstrom@fy.chalmers.se Peter Ahlstr|m ak213@ccn.cs.dal.ca Michael A K GRICE al@prism.nmt.edu Al Stavely Alan.Thew@liverpool.ac.uk Alan Thew alang@voyager.newcomm.net Alan Grossert arwel@cartref.demon.co.uk Arwel Parry azb@aber.ac.uk azb b.j.fisher@bangor.ac.uk Ben Fisher billb@mousa.demon.co.uk Bill Bedford BillW@usa.nai.net Bill Waggoner C.R.Gadsden@politics.hull.ac.uk Richard Gadsden cassaign@lmd.univ-mrs.fr Julien CASSAIGNE chandltj@btlip21.bt.co.uk Chandler, Tim, CHANDLTJ Copplestone@RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE Chris Copplestone csaamw@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers cyril.collins@tad.com CYRIL COLLINS d.burbridge@ic.ac.uk David.Catton@camcon.co.uk David Catton dclift@deakin.edu.au David Clift dennis@g4ckf.demon.co.uk Dennis Rodgers dothen@ra.isisnet.com David Othen e.swenson@trl.telstra.com.au Evelyn Swenson ecocker@agt.net Andrew Cocker elmer@WPI.EDU Andrew Toppan Elsworta@fphcare.mhs.compuserve.com Elsworta HARRISON%MADMAX@Jetson.UH.EDU Bill ``Bubba'' Harrison (713)-743-2789 hjelme@datashopper.dk Erik Hjelme hrose@rocza.kei.com Helen Trillian Rose hugh@cix.compulink.co.uk H Ainsley, c/o Wizards Ltd ianmay@bgarden.demon.co.uk Ian May J.D.Coleman@newcastle.ac.uk J.D.Coleman J.P.Watts@exeter.ac.uk James Watts jdelal@c031.aone.net.au John de la Lande jhutch@adam.com.au Jim.Smellie@snl.co.uk jimsand@InterLink.NET Jim Sandilands jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk J.J.Farrell jmcgarry@uoguelph.ca jpgs@gte.com James P.G. Sterbenz junctor@winternet.com Phearless Photog kbutler@sfu.ca Kenneth Butler Ken@kenwheat.demon.co.uk Ken Wheatley kheard@ccs.carleton.ca Ken Heard kim@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn kshapiro@pobox.com Kivi Shapiro kundry@crl.com Trisha Benedict L.Chisholm@massey.ac.nz Len Chisholm lawrence@carol.net David Lawrence leveret@warren.demon.co.uk Nick Leverton lhe@sics.se list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder litaizse@poincare.esstin.u-nancy.fr lupton@citr.uq.oz.au Tony Lupton madsen@scripps.edu Jens Chr. Madsen mapbs@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mr R M Mantel Martin@mchunt.zynet.co.uk Martin Carl Hunt mgillman@halcyon.com Michael Gillman Michal.Jankowski@fuw.edu.pl Michal Jankowski mike.adams@bbsrc.ac.uk JADAMS mly@adoc.xerox.com Richard Mlynarik mmullen@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Merritt Mullen msb@sq.com mwdaniel@uiuc.edu Michael W. Daniels net@cs.tu-berlin.de Oliver Laumann nhoffm@in-kiel.de Norbert Hoffmann Nigel@ashton.demon.co.uk Nigel Ashton noakharr@oznet02.ozemail.com.au Greg H. ns@sandes.dk Nick Sandru olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar P.Griffiths@ulst.ac.uk Philip Griffiths P.J.Wainwright@soc.staffs.ac.uk Patrick Wainwright pat@cooky.demon.co.uk Pat McMurray Paul_Green@vos.stratus.com paxil@interlog.com Paxil pchase@ix.netcom.com Peter Chase pdoering@EZNET.NET Group Denial pertti.tapola@ntc.nokia.com Pertti Tapola phil.hall@ukonline.co.uk Phil Hall pjh1@leicester.ac.uk Pete Humble pjs@melbpc.org.au Peter Silva ptbast@owl.WPI.EDU Pete Bastien rah94@aber.ac.uk ray@clarke.demon.co.uk Ray W Clarke reluck@steamer.win-uk.net Robert Luck ridgway@kiwi.cs.umass.edu John V. E. Ridgway rmiller@execpc.com Rick Miller robc@per.dms.csiro.au Robert Corner robertjm@hooked.net Robert Marshall roberto@hsc.fr.net Ollivier Robert roger.traviss@vonline.com Roger Traviss RWILLS@estec.esa.nl R.D. Wills (PYS) Room Ag114 Extension 3452 s.j.harris@ic.ac.uk Scot_Osterweil@hub.terc.edu Scot Osterweil senggiap@singnet.com.sg Ho Seng Giap shag@emanon.net Dan "Shag" Birchall sothcott-b@easynet.co.uk Brendan Sothcott standlee@lunacity.com Kevin Standlee tamiimi@tami-imi.co.il Israel Chemicals Research tgw1001@cam.ac.uk Tim Wells Thilo.Pfennig@kiel.netsurf.de Thilo Pfennig tim@cre.canon.co.uk Tim F O'Donoghue tvanriet@macbel.be Theo van Riet U249011@vm.uci.kun.nl Rian van der Borgt UA48@IBM3090.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE Sven Manias w2jc@ritz.mordor.com - weberr@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Ricarda Weber Wouter.Suverkropp@jet.uk Wouter Suverkropp wpg26@uow.edu.au Peter Gooding wrs@hpuerca.atl.hp.com Bill Sutton wwhitney@tcd.ie Warren James Whitney Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ aahz@netcom.com Mean Green Dancing Machine arno@yaps.rhein.de Arno Eigenwillig be5@yoker.com bresnab@tiac.net Brian Bresnahan charles@ellson.demon.co.uk Charles Ellson cls48@columbia.edu Christopher Lodge Stamper david@keynsham.demon.co.uk David Floyd david@U.Arizona.EDU David feehan@inforamp.net Michael Feehan ferrovia@pimac2.iet.unipi.it Massimo Macucci G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk J. P. Gilliver (John) Gubberud@nsd.uib.no Ivar Gubberud jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson kmitchel@direct.ca Kevin Mitchell krlee@krlee.demon.co.uk Kevin Lee lancec@dream.wireless.ucsc.edu Lance K. Chun MarkMilem@aol.com Martin@chalford.demon.co.uk Martin Coburn mcpheat@kashmir.phys.strath.ac.uk mmitchel@libertynet.org Matthew D. Mitchell, Ph.D. nelsonk@ix.netcom.com Ken Nelson nickb@mag-net.co.uk Nick Brunning orc@pell.chi.il.us Orc patl@catfish.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti paul@dciem.dnd.ca Paul Sarkar pavlik@pap.univie.ac.at Andreas Pavlik percus@ipno.in2p3.fr Percus Allon prking@cs.UManitoba.CA Peter R. King rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller robbie@shorty.com Robbie Honerkamp roe@crosfield.co.uk Malcolm Roe ryang@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Glen Patrick Ryan Singlis@bcde.demon.co.uk Steven Inglis smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown Steve@shalfiow.demon.co.uk Steve Holden swfb@bokop.win-uk.net S.W.F. Borthwick syd@quango.demon.co.uk Geoff Rimmer tbas@sybase.com Tony Basoglu tlawson@email.univpubs.american.edu Todd C. Lawson twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu Tim Pierce ukrboha@prl.philips.co.uk Lee Bohan widenius@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ crouchkp@flidh103.delcoelect.com Kenneth P Crouch Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ aa360@freenet.durham.org John P. Charlton ! Conflicting votes John@purley.demon.co.uk John Chapman ! No vote statement in message matthews@gauss.cl.uh.edu Frank Matthews ! No vote statement in message na405330@anon.penet.fi Big Ears. ! Invalid address root@quetz.g4lzv.ampr.org The Root Cause ! Invalid address