From fglaysher@hotmail.com Fri Jan 17 18:32:43 1997 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Frederick Glaysher Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.religion.bahai,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.indian,soc.rights.human Subject: RFD: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: news.groups Date: 17 Jan 1997 23:32:40 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 93 Sender: tale@rodan.UU.NET Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <853543959.13303@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9511 news.groups:247188 soc.religion.bahai:14922 soc.culture.iranian:127163 soc.culture.israel:88473 soc.culture.indian:385252 soc.rights.human:60483 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to create an unmoderated worldwide discussion group called talk.religion.bahai. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details appear below. All followup discussion should be crossposted to news.groups. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Unmoderated discussion of the Bahai faith. RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai All newsgroups and listservs given to the discussion of the Bahai faith are moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai. The establishment of unmoderated companion groups is a well-accepted practice on Usenet. This newsgroup will be part of the talk.* hierarchy, which is exclusively for unmoderated groups. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Bahai faith -- its history, teachings, theology -- and so on would be appropriate areas for discussion. Crossposting of articles not specifically relevant to the Bahai faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, special-format files, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Readers are asked not to start or prolong flamewars and excessive crossposts. Articles may be crossposted to soc.religion.bahai -- subject, of course, to the approval of the moderator of that group. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to the charter above. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: The process of creating newsgroups is twofold. First is the RFD stage, when someone writes a Request for Discussion (RFD) outlining the purpose of the proposed group. The RFD appears in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and other relevant discussion groups. Anyone may publicly comment on the RFD in news.groups for a three-week period. During the discussion phase, proponents may modify the RFD in response to suggestions from posters on news.groups. The second stage is the Call for Votes (CFV) stage. The proposal must pass a Usenet-wide vote with a 2/3 supermajority -- and at least 100 more votes in favor than against -- to be created. Anyone with an e-mail address may cast a ballot. A neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) conducts all CFV's. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD." Please refer to these documents if you have further questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups soc.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian soc.culture.israel soc.religion.christian, soc.religion.islam soc.rights.human, talk.religion.misc and the following mailing lists: Academic discussion of Bahai faith Subscribe via: jsgreen@umich.edu Academic discussion of Bahai gnosis Subscribe via: (working on getting address) Bahai discussion list Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ soc.religion.eastern, soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.hindu, soc.religion.mormon soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker, soc.religion.sikhism, soc.religion.vaishnava, soc.religion.atheism, talk.religion.buddhism, talk.religion.newage talk.religion.misc -- Proponent: Frederick Glaysher From jjd@primenet.com Wed Mar 5 13:30:27 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc Subject: CFV: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <857596922.17167@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers, Kablam! section. Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 27 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 21:22:03 GMT Lines: 109 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:143 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Unmoderated discussion of the Bahai faith. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Mentor: Christopher Stone Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai All newsgroups and listservs given to the discussion of the Bahai faith are moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. The proponent intends that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai. The establishment of unmoderated companion groups is a well-accepted practice on Usenet. This newsgroup will be part of the talk.* hierarchy, which is exclusively for unmoderated groups. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Bahai faith -- its history, teachings, theology -- and so on would be appropriate areas for discussion. Crossposting of articles not specifically relevant to the Bahai faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, special-format files, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Readers are asked not to start or prolong flamewars and excessive crossposts. Articles may be crossposted to soc.religion.bahai -- subject, of course, to the approval of the moderator of that group. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to the charter above. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Send email to: jjd@primenet.com Your email message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on talk.religion.bahai I vote NO on talk.religion.bahai You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL. ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed in the final voting results. CANCEL removes any earlier vote and is not listed in the final voting results. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One account per person and one vote per person. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated: If you don't follow these directions then your vote may not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within several days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure that your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in people who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested people defeats this purpose. Please do not redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been crossposted to soc.culture.iranian soc.culture.israel soc.religion.bahai soc.rights.human talk.religion.misc Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ soc.religion.eastern soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker soc.religion.sikhism soc.religion.vaishnava soc.atheism talk.religion.buddhism talk.religion.newage and the following mailing lists: Talisman@umich.edu Irfan@umich.edu From jjd@primenet.com Sun Mar 16 15:17:14 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc,soc.religion.bahai Subject: 2nd CFV: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <858539051.201@isc.org> Supersedes: <857596922.17167@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers, Kablam! section. Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 27 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:04:11 GMT Lines: 122 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:177 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Unmoderated discussion of the Bahai faith. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Mentor: Christopher Stone Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai All newsgroups and listservs given to the discussion of the Bahai faith are moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. The proponent intends that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai. The establishment of unmoderated companion groups is a well-accepted practice on Usenet. This newsgroup will be part of the talk.* hierarchy, which is exclusively for unmoderated groups. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Bahai faith -- its history, teachings, theology -- and so on would be appropriate areas for discussion. Crossposting of articles not specifically relevant to the Bahai faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, special-format files, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Readers are asked not to start or prolong flamewars and excessive crossposts. Articles may be crossposted to soc.religion.bahai -- subject, of course, to the approval of the moderator of that group. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to the charter above. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Send email to: jjd@primenet.com Your email message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on talk.religion.bahai I vote NO on talk.religion.bahai You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL. ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed in the final voting results. CANCEL removes any earlier vote and is not listed in the final voting results. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One account per person and one vote per person. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated: If you don't follow these directions then your vote may not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within several days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure that your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in people who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested people defeats this purpose. Please do not redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been crossposted to soc.culture.iranian soc.culture.israel soc.religion.bahai soc.rights.human talk.religion.misc Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ soc.religion.eastern soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker soc.religion.sikhism soc.religion.vaishnava soc.atheism talk.religion.buddhism talk.religion.newage and the following mailing lists: Talisman@umich.edu Irfan@umich.edu talk.religion.bahai Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ abdf@tscc.macarthur.uws.au Dash Forghani clarsen@cfd.jsc.nasa.gov Curtis Larsen farshad@erols.com"@erols.com farshad farhoumand kamran@kunetos.guam.net kamran koubae@rmi.net Eric Kouba mac*13*@cyberhighway.net Raymond.E.Armstrong@ism.net Raymond Armstrong tjaskiew@kibo.us.oracle.com Tom Jaskiewicz u722141@gulfaero.com Sam Mohajer-Jasbi UT_RMONROE@SUAGM1 From jjd@primenet.com Wed Mar 26 16:45:37 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc,soc.religion.bahai Subject: RESULT: talk.religion.bahai fails 157:691 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <859422879.4199@isc.org> Supersedes: <858539051.201@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers, Kablam! section. Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:34:49 GMT Lines: 940 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:227 RESULT unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai fails 157:691 There were 157 YES votes and 691 NO votes, for a total of 848 valid votes. There were 19 abstains and 2 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Unmoderated discussion of the Bahai faith. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Mentor: Christopher Stone Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai All newsgroups and listservs given to the discussion of the Bahai faith are moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. The proponent intends that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai. The establishment of unmoderated companion groups is a well-accepted practice on Usenet. This newsgroup will be part of the talk.* hierarchy, which is exclusively for unmoderated groups. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Bahai faith -- its history, teachings, theology -- and so on would be appropriate areas for discussion. Crossposting of articles not specifically relevant to the Bahai faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, special-format files, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Readers are asked not to start or prolong flamewars and excessive crossposts. Articles may be crossposted to soc.religion.bahai -- subject, of course, to the approval of the moderator of that group. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to the charter above. END CHARTER. talk.religion.bahai Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3arb@qlink.queensu.ca Andy 3fa1@qlink.queensu.ca Farid Ahmad 3sv12@qlink.queensu.ca Virk Shakeel 4emb1@qlink.queensu.ca Eric Berger 72110.2126@CompuServe.COM David Langness ab248@freenet.carleton.ca Elizabeth Holden afshin.afrashteh@utoronto.ca ahmadi@why.net Saman Ahmadi allenp5@lesbois.com Allen Parks andrew@utcc.utoronto.ca dr a. rose anser@kamla.brain.net.pk ANSHARIF@aol.com arm@chass.utoronto.ca Abdul-Rehman Malik as-Shukri aslam@openix.com Muhammad Aslam Nasir aslam@ulysses.att.com M Aslam Nasir babak.mohajerin@aus.deuba.com Babak Mohajerin batkhan@ihug.co.nz Basharat A Khan bgraham@emerald.tufts.edu Bryan S. Graham bhayee@cyberus.ca Hayee Basharat bmathieu@micron.net Brent Mathieu bn872@freenet.carleton.ca McKenny Michael BobSolem@aol.com bon_giovanni@juno.com Bon Giovanni BrentReed@aol.com BugDaddy@cris.com BugDaddy chughes@commnet.edu Charles Hughes cjdpcssd@mail.ims-1.com Curtis Jewell / Dennis Whalen clarsen@cfd.jsc.nasa.gov Curtis Larsen dan@cthulhu.control.com Dan L. Pierson DaveCrnll@aol.com dbowie@sas.upenn.edu David Bowie deadlock@one.net DeadLock the Feral DeDanan@aol.com dfbaker@panix.com Debra Fran Baker DLandhill@aol.com dp10006@thor.cam.ac.uk D. Povey e8727192@tuwien.ac.at Ahmet Ekrem SABAN edn@msn.fullfeed.com Eric Nelson EdvardJ@simi.is ejohnsto@atcon.com Earl Johnston estep@hotmail.com Christopher Estep fateh.ahmad@cressoft.com.pk fateh.ahmad fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu Frank Baker fglaysher@hotmail.com Frederick Glaysher finc27@pop.uni-dortmund.de Thomas Adams fnord@odyssee.net Thomas Moll forumbahai@es.co.nz Alison & Steve Marshall fran@crhc.uiuc.edu Fran Baker freedman@netmedia.net.il Dov Shmuel Freedman fstrpba@umac.mo Robert P. Biuk-Aghai Gabriel.Salman.Lenz@directory.Reed.EDU Gabriel Salman Lenz gaillard@panix.com Ed Gaillard gedaliah@panix.com Gedaliah Friedenberg ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory G. Woodbury guardian@iinet.net.au Joel B Marangella hamid01@paknet1.ptc.pk Hamid Rahim Sheikh hmirza@yesic.com Dr. Hameed A. Mirza htana@ee.mcgill.ca Hazem Nasereddin humayun.ahmed@cressoft.com.pk humayun.ahmed iahmad@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Irfan Ahmad ibraheem.malik@cressoft.com.pk ibraheem.malik irauf@Phys.UAlberta.CA Dr. Ijaz A. Rauf iskandar@EESUN2.tamu.edu Alexandre Khalil jason.roberts@mail.admin.wisc.edu Jason Roberts jdg@rahul.net John David Galt jgoldberg@megsinet.net Jeffrey Goldberg JKLintzBFA@aol.com jmalik@mailstorm.dot.gov Jawad A. Malik johnd@northlink.com John Dale johnn@jolt.mpx.com.au John New JohnWrldPc@aol.com jrcole@umich.edu Juan R. I. Cole jwalbrid@indiana.edu John Walbridge katracha@juno.com kamran raika keillan@quest.cc.purdue.edu Kelly G. Willis khan@kherps.brain.com.pk kibo@dhp.com kibo kjohnsto@Fox.nstn.ca Kip Johnston koubae@rmi.net Eric Kouba kwattles@sas.upenn.edu Kirk Wattles LaAeterna@aol.com lbhollin@uxmail.ust.hk rv lilandbr@scn.org Leland Bryant Ross lisarm@cei.net Lisa Armstrong MahmudTaha@aol.com mahsa@psy.uwa.edu.au Mahsa maitreya@worldnet.att.net Joseph M. Emmanuel maley@ism.net Tom Maley mansur.sheikh@cressoft.com.pk mansur.sheikh masnas@paknet1.ptc.pk Masood Nasir Massoud.Ajami@sdsu.edu Massoud Ajami matuli_a@marlin.navsea.navy.mil Alex Matulich 03T1 mbkafes@bestweb.net Milissa Boyer Kafes Member1700@aol.com mibon@mailhost.cinet.co.cn Mike Furst mirele@xmission.com Deana M. Holmes (NED for OTs Series) mlp@sover.net Marie L. Procter mrscotty@minn.net Scott Hanson msabet@mail.net M. Sabet mubasher@ffclhr.brain.com.pk mughal@alumni.caltech.edu Asim Mughal nahil@ece.utexas.edu Nahil Mahmood naveed@nather.brain.com.pk Mr. Naveed Athar Sheik Nefratiri@aol.com nkeiths@wavefront.com nkeiths obfusa@mack.rt66.com olav@viking.mv..com Olav Nieuwejaar Pamela.Glaysher@moa.net Pamela Glaysher paustin@astro.ocis.temple.edu Pam Austin paxil@cancom.net Trevor Peace144@aol.com PIERCEED@sswdserver.sswd.csus.edu Eric D. Pierce pimentel@ultranet.com J. Pimentel pjktg@itis.com Paul Kansteiner pjohnson@leo.vsla.edu K. Paul Johnson positive@marsweb.com Dan Bailiff priven@best.com Aaron Priven Rafiq@Colorado.EDU Anwar Rafiq rafiq@ksc9.th.com RAFIQ Raymond.E.Armstrong@ism.net Raymond Armstrong rbic@unix.infoserve.net Roger Bicknell regmor@rof.net Reg Moore rehmans@advocate.sdnpk.undp.org rehmans RMckin6046@aol.com rodney684@silicon.email.net rosss@u.washington.edu R. Summers rsaltd@wctc.net George A. Mohr rtower@bwc.org Ron Tower SAMIN@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU Shahina Amin schand+@andrew.cmu.edu Sandeep Chand seeker@indiana.edu Karen St. Rain seeker@leland.Stanford.EDU Hamed Rehman Saeed SHAFIQUE@compuserve.com Shafique shank210@clubhouse.email.net Sharaf94@aol.com sharir@acel.net.au Shahryar Razmafrooz Shenassa@worldnet.att.net Shenassa sindiogi@nmsu.edu Eric Indiogine soleman@unixg.ubc.ca Syed Soleman Hashmi spanky9114@aol.com Spanky9114 ss@look1.apmaths.uwo.ca Sultan Sial sscholl@jeffnet.org White Cloud Press ssemler@datalynx.com Steve Semler ST010517@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU stuart@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz Stuart Yeates techind@ilcnet.com Matt Perry think@ucla.edu SAFA SADEGHPOUR thriley@ccia.com Tom Riley trbutl@most.fw.hac.com Thomas R. Butler [Tom] (219) 429-5957 uppal@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU Faisal Uppal usdaebcl@hol.gr Javid Kashefi uzair@xds.brain.com.pk VWoodsong@aol.com wgilmore@cris.com gil gilmore white-wolf-arts@juno.com Robert Stauffer woodgold@seismo.nrcan.gc.ca Catherine woodgold z.pontoh@bandung.wasantara.net.id Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 100076.3536@CompuServe.COM C Pemberton-Pigott 100444.3521@CompuServe.COM 4dmo@qlink.queensu.ca Denise Oelrich 70264.1414@CompuServe.COM H MORAN 73751.1530@CompuServe.COM Judy Baker 74211.273@CompuServe.COM GEORGE R. MATHER a.k.davison@clear.net.nz Ash & Kahu Davison abdf@tscc.macarthur.uws.au Dash Forghani ABEDIAN@socsci.uct.ac.za Abedian, I, Iraj, Dr abir@jal.cc.il.us Abir Majid abizadeh@husc.harvard.edu Arash Abizadeh Acompere@aol.com ad859@lafn.org Akka Ram adamsonlyn@cix.compulink.co.uk Lynda Adamson ae449@freenet.carleton.ca Malcom Sargent aegillet@mtholyoke.edu bananne AErfani@aol.com afabbro@brokenarrow.us.itd.umich.edu Andrew Fabbro AFowlkes@domaincorp.com Aaron Fowlkes AGhosh@UH.EDU ai152@chebucto.ns.ca Michael H. Mahar aipenner@oberon.ark.com Irv Penner al767455@mail.mty.itesm.mx Martha May Villagomez H. alarash@uclink2.berkeley.edu Ala Moshiri alchemy@student.adelaide.edu.au Bill ale42@atl.mindspring.com Alex Wainer alexander@netwalk.com Alex S. ali99@is2.dal.ca RAGE ALI99 PEACE alicouwe@hometown.on.ca Alice Ouwerkerk amare@erols.com Zelalem & Gail Amare aminm@cs.washington.edu Amin Mansuri Amosborden@aol.com amostag@uhc.com anoosh mostaghimi andrew.pemberton-pigott@ualberta.ca Andrew Pemberton-pigott APERVUKHINA@IMF.ORG Alexandra Pervukhina APowers636@aol.com Aram_Abizadeh@UManitoba.CA Aram Abizadeh areid@best.com Anthony & Amy Reid, Esq. armin@netgate.net Armin Miraftabi arthine@yahoo.com Arthine van Duyne arthur.murphy@arch.gatech.edu Arthur R. Murphy artwrite@istar.ca Bruce Filson & Margaret Bremner ashraghi@uio.satnet.net Farzin Ashraghi atorrie@u.washington.edu A. Torrie aull@ll.mit.edu Brian Aull AVI-Systems@iAfrica.sz Steven Fletcher azadegan@midget.towson.edu Shiva Azadegan badi@dawn.joensuu.fi Badi Moore baha@atc.boeing.com Jahanshah Darvish bahai.iceland@itn.is NSA of the Baha'is of Iceland BahaiFfm@aol.com bahman@nur.sfos.ro Bahman Rahmatian baker@dpe1.ENET.dec.com Dwight Baker 11-Mar-1997 0121 bandrig@mgl.ca Michelle Andrighetti BaugherK@aol.com bbaker@cognex.com Bill Baker bcross@dubois.fisk.edu Cross Beckyjones@aol.com benn@sprintmail.com Ben beri486@postoffice.worldnet.att.net bernal@tranquillity.com Bernal Schooley beverlyh@bwc.org Beverly Hunsaker Bfcanfield@aol.com bgomill@hubcap.clemson.edu Bridgette Gomillion bgreene@cisco.com Barry Raveendran Greene bhbarick@VNET.IBM.COM bjdrage@sn.no Brit Drageset blair@teleport.com Stephen & Ann Blair bledgar@web.net Vision 9 blimber@CapAccess.org Bruce Limber BMESBAH@aol.com bmony@tiac.net Bennett Montgomery BMTHIAN@sp.ac.sg Thian Boon Meng/EE/SP_SF bobh@tti-net.com Bob Harrison booda@datasync.com Martin H. 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Lawson tmcd@jove.acs.unt.edu Timothy Francis Mcdonough todd.kutches@attws.com Kutches, Todd tosif@po.pacific.net.sg Tosif trhan@serv.net Teri Rhan trowe@uwsp.edu Rowe, Thomas tterrill@bic.org Thane Terrill -Net Admin Turadj.Miraftabi@upm10.upm-kymmene.com Twaddell@apk.net Bancroft Twaddell u02sgd@abdn.ac.uk Jafar u722141@gulfaero.com Sam Mohajer-Jasbi uc645@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Gordon Dicks Unity19@ix.netcom.com UnityNine@aol.com username@cyberbeach.net Firstname Lastname UT_RMONROE@SUAGM1 VaccarSJ@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Stephen Vaccaro Vahid_Eshraghi@ccm2.hf.intel.com Vahid Eshraghi vanorman@teleport.com Jack or Marcia VanOrman varan@central.murdoch.edu.au Duane Varan vartalb@mail.auburn.edu Lee B Vartanian vesal@seas.upenn.edu Vesal Dini Vgcon@aol.com VHPLMN@vmmc.org Liann M. Nelson victor@dawn.joensuu.fi Bear Jason VJ@soas.ac.uk Varqa Carlos Jalali VSAMIMI@gov.nb.ca Samimi, Vahdat (DNRE/ISS) W.Houghton@exeter.ac.uk Warren Houghton waltersb@sfu.ca Richard Andrew Walters WARANIUS@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu whitmo17@pilot.msu.edu Ron Whitmore willm@sun.lssu.edu Will Morrison WippCreme@aol.com wittman@iquest.net Wittman Family wkwalker@digisys.net William K. Walker wordsworth@alpha.futurenet.co.za worlandohunter@friendly.carlsbadnm.com worldman@compuserve.com Gilbert Grasselly worthing@U.Arizona.EDU Elizabeth R Worthington wxman2@mindspring.com Gary and Carolyn Peterson xpnaraghi@ucdavis.edu Pejman Naraghi-Arani yatesb@dns.ida.net Me yinfam@pacific.net.sg yinfam YOUNG1090@worldnet.att.net THE YOUNGS Z3JEF@ttacs1.ttu.edu Jeff Williams z6zr@unb.ca zajicek@slovnaft.sk Zajicek Peter (Uzol PREDAJ) ZaynabR@aol.com zcgap15@ucl.ac.uk James Nicholls zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming ZIARI@uthscsa.edu SHAIDA ZIARI Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ af479@rgfn.epcc.Edu Samandar Roshan-Zamir al697@bard.edu Amelia Lord Chris@baha.demon.co.uk Chris emma@Kanpai.Stanford.EDU Emma Pease I.Freeman@math.canterbury.ac.nz j.roth@codetel.net.do Dena Roth jbh5@cornell.edu Jean B. Hunter jeffd@goodnet.com Jeffrey Davey joe@sfbooks.com Joe Bernstein Larry_Anderson@webtv.net Lawrence Anderson rawlinsc@rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk Stephen Rawlinson rick@helix.nih.gov Rick Troxel rreini@wwnet.com Roger Reini schuette@s.imap.itd.umich.edu Cheryll & Wade Schuette Sekhmet209@aol.com smsmith@cybertrails.com S. Michele Smith Steve.Burgess@pixie.co.za Dr Steve Burgess tmcvay@aloha.net The McVays tookey@cs.wisc.edu Keith Tookey Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ gt0444a@prism.gatech.edu Nathan R. Jackson ! Conflicting votes sxu96ns@reading.ac.uk I never remember to log out ! Conflicting votes From fglaysher@hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 12:15:07 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Frederick Glaysher" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel Subject: RFD: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <877374403.4740@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:06:44 GMT Lines: 144 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:873 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to create an unmoderated worldwide discussion group called talk.religion.bahai. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details appear below. All followup discussion should be crossposted to news.groups,alt.religion.bahai. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Bahai faith. RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Bahai Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. >>From January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, until March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. From April 1, 1997, to September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Bahai Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. The proponent intends that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the lower order alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. The establishment of unmoderated companion groups is a well-accepted practice on Usenet. This newsgroup will be part of the talk.* hierarchy, which is exclusively for unmoderated groups. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Bahai faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Bahai faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Readers are asked not to start or prolong flamewars in this newsgroup, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to the charter above. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: The process of creating newsgroups is twofold. First is the RFD stage, when someone writes a Request for Discussion (RFD) outlining the purpose of the proposed group. The RFD appears in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and other relevant discussion groups. Anyone may publicly comment on the RFD in news.groups for a three-week period. During the discussion phase, proponents may modify the RFD in response to suggestions from posters on news.groups. The second stage is the Call for Votes (CFV) stage. The proposal must pass a Usenet-wide vote with a 2/3 supermajority -- and at least 100 more votes in favor than against -- to be created. Anyone with an e-mail address may cast a ballot. A neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) conducts all CFV's. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD." Please refer to these documents if you have further questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.israel and the following mailing lists: Talisman Subscribe via: jsgreen@umich.edu Bahai Studies Subscribe via: major@johnco.cc.ks.us h-Bahai h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu subscribe smaneck@BERRY.EDU or jrcole@umich.edu Bahai-Exchange-UK@BCCA.Org And to the following seven Bahai-only listservs. Subscribe via bahai-request@bcca.org Baha'i Campus Forum (BCF) Baha'i Discuss (Discuss) Baha'i Singles (Singles) Baha'i Teachers (Teachers) Baha'i Women Converse (Women) Baha'i Youth (Youth - aimed at the 12-18 age group) Baha'i Announce (Announce) Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ,soc.religion.eastern, soc.religion.gnosis,soc.religion.hindu, soc.religion.paganism,soc.religion.quaker, soc.religion.sikhism,soc.religion.vaishnava, talk.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.newage, alt.religion.islam,alt.religion,a.bsu.religion, uk.religion.misc,uk.religion.interfaith, uk.religion.other-faiths,news.admin.censorship, soc.rights.human Mentor: Chris Stone Proponent: Frederick Glaysher From fglaysher@hotmail.com Wed Nov 5 15:00:06 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Frederick Glaysher Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel Subject: 2nd RFD: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <878770539.18896@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:55:40 GMT Lines: 150 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:924 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to create an unmoderated worldwide discussion group called talk.religion.bahai. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details appear below. All followup discussion should be crossposted to news.groups,alt.religion.bahai. CHANGES from previous RFD: The only major change on this 2nd RFD is a second proponent has climbed aboard: Chris Manvell. Several other very minor things. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. From January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, until March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. From April 1, 1997, to September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. The establishment of unmoderated companion groups is a well-accepted practice on Usenet. This newsgroup will be part of the talk.* hierarchy, which is almost exclusively for unmoderated groups. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to the charter above. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: The process of creating newsgroups is twofold. First is the RFD stage, when someone writes a Request for Discussion (RFD) outlining the purpose of the proposed group. The RFD appears in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and other relevant discussion groups. Anyone may publicly comment on the RFD in news.groups for a three-week period. During the discussion phase, proponents may modify the RFD in response to suggestions from posters on news.groups. The second stage is the Call for Votes (CFV) stage. The proposal must pass a Usenet-wide vote with a 2/3 supermajority -- and at least 100 more votes in favor than against -- to be created. Anyone with an e-mail address may cast a ballot. A neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) conducts all CFV's. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD." Please refer to these documents if you have further questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.israel and the following three mailing lists: Talisman Subscribe via: jsgreen@umich.edu Bahai Studies Subscribe via: major@johnco.cc.ks.us h-Bahai h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Subscribe smaneck@BERRY.EDU or jrcole@umich.edu Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ,soc.religion.eastern, soc.religion.gnosis,soc.religion.hindu, soc.religion.paganism,soc.religion.quaker, soc.religion.sikhism,soc.religion.vaishnava, talk.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.newage, alt.religion.islam,alt.religion,a.bsu.religion, uk.religion.misc,uk.religion.interfaith, uk.religion.other-faiths,news.admin.censorship, soc.rights.human and to the following seven Bahai-only listservs: Subscribe via bahai-request@bcca.org Baha'i Campus Forum (BCF) Baha'i Discuss (Discuss) Baha'i Singles (Singles) Baha'i Teachers (Teachers) Baha'i Women Converse (Women) Baha'i Youth (Youth - aimed at the 12-18 age group) Baha'i Announce (Announce) Mentor: Chris Stone Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Chris Manvell From fglaysher@hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 01:00:06 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Frederick Glaysher" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.israel Subject: 3rd RFD: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <882176211.27908@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:56:51 GMT Lines: 178 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:1025 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to create an unmoderated worldwide discussion group called talk.religion.bahai. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details appear below. All followup discussion should be crossposted to news.groups,alt.religion.bahai. CHANGES from previous RFD: The only major change on this 3nd RFD is a third proponent has joined: Ron House. Several other changes have been made, based upon discussion, under the Charter or Procedure section. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. From January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, until March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. From April 1, 1997, to September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. During this time period, approximately 513 different individuals posted on over 1,200 threads. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The talk.religion.bahai newsgroup is not an official organ of the Baha'i faith, as is true for other groups devoted to discussing a particular religion. This self-evident disclaimer and mention of Baha'i standards of conduct are not intended to be used as "whipping posts," by or against Baha'is or non-Baha'is, after the passing of the RFD. Webster's Third New International: "A post formerly usually in public to which offenders are tied to be legally whipped." Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to the charter above. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: An instructive passage by Russ Allbery might fruitfully be considered by all: "There is no official "list of acceptable reasons for voting"; Nothing of the sort is enforced. There's no way of knowing why people vote the way they do. There *is*, however, a general *consensus* that certain *patterns* of voting constitute abuse of the system. Block voting on religious, cultural, ethnic, or political grounds is one of the things that is frowned upon. It is unlikely that even extreme block voting would cause a result to be overturned, but it's practically assured that block voting *will* earn an extremely bad reputation for the group doing the block voting. In other words, yes, the Baha'i *could* vote down the newsgroup en masse and be successful. This would, however, also earn the Faith a reputation (fairly or no) amongst those people who followed the proposal as a religion that advocates censorship. I think it's in the best interest of Baha'is and the Baha'i Faith to avoid that." (Message-ID: > The process of creating newsgroups is twofold. First is the RFD stage, when someone writes a Request for Discussion (RFD) outlining the purpose of the proposed group. The RFD appears in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and other relevant discussion groups. Anyone may publicly comment on the RFD in news.groups for a three-week period. During the discussion phase, proponents may modify the RFD in response to suggestions from posters on news.groups. The second stage is the Call for Votes (CFV) stage. The proposal must pass a Usenet-wide vote with a 2/3 supermajority -- and at least 100 more votes in favor than against -- to be created. Anyone with an e-mail address may cast a ballot. A neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) conducts all CFV's. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD." Please refer to these documents if you have further questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.israel and the following three mailing lists: Talisman Subscribe via: jsgreen@umich.edu Bahai Studies Subscribe via: major@johnco.cc.ks.us h-Bahai h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Subscribe smaneck@BERRY.EDU or jrcole@umich.edu Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ,soc.religion.eastern, soc.religion.gnosis,soc.religion.hindu, soc.religion.paganism,soc.religion.quaker, soc.religion.sikhism,soc.religion.vaishnava, talk.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.newage, alt.religion.islam,alt.religion,a.bsu.religion, uk.religion.misc,uk.religion.interfaith, uk.religion.other-faiths,news.admin.censorship, soc.rights.human and to the following seven Bahai-only listservs: Subscribe via bahai-request@bcca.org Baha'i Campus Forum (BCF) Baha'i Discuss (Discuss) Baha'i Singles (Singles) Baha'i Teachers (Teachers) Baha'i Women Converse (Women) Baha'i Youth (Youth - aimed at the 12-18 age group) Baha'i Announce (Announce) Mentor: Chris Stone Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Chris Manvell Proponent: Ron House From fglaysher@hotmail.com Mon Jan 12 07:00:44 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Frederick Glaysher" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.israel Subject: 4th RFD: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <884617119.9751@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:58:39 GMT Lines: 172 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9695 news.groups:269890 talk.religion.misc:305468 soc.rights.human:63341 soc.culture.israel:97056 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to create an unmoderated worldwide discussion group called talk.religion.bahai. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details appear below. All followup discussion should be crossposted to news.groups,alt.religion.bahai. CHANGES from previous RFD: The only major change on this 4th RFD is the "disclaimer" passage under the Charter. A few other minor changes have been made. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. >From January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, until March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. >From April 1, 1997, to September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. During this time period, approximately 513 different individuals posted on over 1,200 threads. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. As is true for other groups devoted to discussing a particular religion, including soc.religion.bahai, the talk.religion.bahai newsgroup is not an official organ of any institutional faith. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: An instructive passage by Russ Allbery might fruitfully be considered by all: "There is no official 'list of acceptable reasons for voting'; Nothing of the sort is enforced. There's no way of knowing why people vote the way they do. There *is*, however, a general *consensus* that certain *patterns* of voting constitute abuse of the system. Block voting on religious, cultural, ethnic, or political grounds is one of the things that is frowned upon. It is unlikely that even extreme block voting would cause a result to be overturned, but it's practically assured that block voting *will* earn an extremely bad reputation for the group doing the block voting. In other words, yes, the Baha'i *could* vote down the newsgroup en masse and be successful. This would, however, also earn the Faith a reputation (fairly or no) amongst those people who followed the proposal as a religion that advocates censorship. I think it's in the best interest of Baha'is and the Baha'i Faith to avoid that." (Message-ID: > The process of creating newsgroups is twofold. First is the RFD stage, when someone writes a Request for Discussion (RFD) outlining the purpose of the proposed group. The RFD appears in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and other relevant discussion groups. Anyone may publicly comment on the RFD in news.groups for a three-week period. During the discussion phase, proponents may modify the RFD in response to suggestions from posters on news.groups. The second stage is the Call for Votes (CFV) stage. The proposal must pass a Usenet-wide vote with a 2/3 supermajority -- and at least 100 more votes in favor than against -- to be created. Anyone with an e-mail address may cast a ballot. A neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) conducts all CFV's. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD." Please refer to these documents if you have further questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.rights.human, soc.culture.israel and the following three mailing lists: Talisman Subscribe via: jsgreen@umich.edu Bahai Studies Subscribe via: major@johnco.cc.ks.us h-Bahai h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Subscribe smaneck@BERRY.EDU or jrcole@umich.edu Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ,soc.religion.eastern, soc.religion.gnosis,soc.religion.hindu, soc.religion.paganism,soc.religion.quaker, soc.religion.sikhism,soc.religion.vaishnava, talk.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.newage, alt.religion.islam,alt.religion,a.bsu.religion, uk.religion.misc,uk.religion.interfaith, uk.religion.other-faiths,news.admin.censorship And to the following seven Bahai-only listservs: Subscribe via bahai-request@bcca.org Baha'i Campus Forum (BCF) Baha'i Discuss (Discuss) Baha'i Singles (Singles) Baha'i Teachers (Teachers) Baha'i Women Converse (Women) Baha'i Youth (Youth - aimed at the 12-18 age group) Baha'i Announce (Announce) Mentor: Chris Stone Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Chris Manvell Proponent: Ron House From mcq@wco.com Tue Jan 27 18:30:21 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,soc.culture.israel,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc Subject: CFV: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <885954303.7435@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 19 Feb 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:25:03 GMT Lines: 216 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9729 news.groups:270630 soc.culture.israel:98085 soc.rights.human:63753 talk.religion.misc:307638 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai Usenet readers may now vote on the proposed worldwide newsgroup talk.religion.bahai. This CFV contains information about both the voting process and the proposed group; please read the entire CFV before voting. Only the votetaker is authorized to distribute this CFV. Do not post it to any newsgroup, mail it to any person or mailing list, or place it on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Newsgroups line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Feb 1998. A neutral, third-party volunteer is conducting this vote. Direct questions about the vote to the votetaker, and questions about the proposed group to the proponents. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Chris Manvell Proponent: Ron House Mentor: Chris Stone Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. Between January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, and March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. Between April 1, 1997 and September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. During this time period, approximately 513 different individuals posted on over 1,200 threads. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. As is true for other groups devoted to discussing a particular religion, including soc.religion.bahai, the talk.religion.bahai newsgroup is not an official organ of any institutional faith. END CHARTER. IMPORTANT VOTING INFORMATION: The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed group, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; instead, direct people to the official CFV posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked, incomplete, or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be listed in the final RESULT post. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous, as are votes from any "munged" addresses the votetaker cannot decipher. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at . HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and after the "END OF BALLOT" lines. Please do *not* send the entire CFV back to me! Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your software inserts. Provide your real name on the line that asks for it, and indicate your vote in the brackets beside the group name. Valid votes are YES, NO, ABSTAIN, and CANCEL. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here): [ YES ] example.vote.yes [ NO ] example.vote.no [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation Do *not* modify or delete any other information in this ballot. Votetaking is automated, and any other changes to the ballot may prevent your vote from being counted. When you're finished, mail the ballot to . Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you ordinarily use a spam block, please delete it and use a valid address to vote. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. -=-=-=-BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete Everything Before This Line=-=-=-=- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Usenet Ballot: talk.religion.bahai Valid ballots are distributed blank in a Call for | Leave this Votes posted to news.announce.newgroups or mailed | marker here: by the votetaker. Other ballots may be rejected. | Give your real name on the next line (do not give your email address). Your name --> [Your Vote] Group (Place your vote in the empty brackets below.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] talk.religion.bahai ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-END OF BALLOT: Delete Everything After This Line-=-=-=-=-=- DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.religion.bahai soc.culture.israel soc.rights.human talk.religion.misc soc.religion.bahai (posted separately) The CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Baha'i Studies Submission address: Bahai-st@johnco.cc.ks.us Request address: major@johnco.cc.ks.us Mailing list name: h-bahai Submission address: h-bahai@h-net.msu.edu Request address:smaneck@berry.edu or jrcole@umich.edu Mailing list name: Talisman Submission address: talisman@umich.edu Request address: jsgreen@umich.edu Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: a.bsu.religion alt.religion alt.religion.islam news.admin.censorship soc.religion.eastern soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.hindu soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker soc.religion.sikhism soc.religion.unitarian-univ soc.religion.vaishnava talk.religion.buddhism talk.religion.newage uk.religion.interfaith uk.religion.misc uk.religion.other-faiths The CFV is also available by e-mail from the votetaker. -- Rebecca Graham McQuitty From mcq@wco.com Sun Feb 8 19:45:17 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,soc.culture.israel,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <886995638.1457@isc.org> Supersedes: <885954303.7435@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 19 Feb 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 03:40:38 GMT Lines: 216 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9755 news.groups:271284 soc.culture.israel:98955 soc.rights.human:64333 talk.religion.misc:308513 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai Usenet readers may now vote on the proposed worldwide newsgroup talk.religion.bahai. This CFV contains information about both the voting process and the proposed group; please read the entire CFV before voting. Only the votetaker is authorized to distribute this CFV. Do not post it to any newsgroup, mail it to any person or mailing list, or place it on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Newsgroups line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Feb 1998. A neutral, third-party volunteer is conducting this vote. Direct questions about the vote to the votetaker, and questions about the proposed group to the proponents. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Chris Manvell Proponent: Ron House Mentor: Chris Stone Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. Between January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, and March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. Between April 1, 1997 and September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. During this time period, approximately 513 different individuals posted on over 1,200 threads. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. As is true for other groups devoted to discussing a particular religion, including soc.religion.bahai, the talk.religion.bahai newsgroup is not an official organ of any institutional faith. END CHARTER. IMPORTANT VOTING INFORMATION: The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed group, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; instead, direct people to the official CFV posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked, incomplete, or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be listed in the final RESULT post. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous, as are votes from any "munged" addresses the votetaker cannot decipher. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at . HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and after the "END OF BALLOT" lines. Please do *not* send the entire CFV back to me! Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your software inserts. Provide your real name on the line that asks for it, and indicate your vote in the brackets beside the group name. Valid votes are YES, NO, ABSTAIN, and CANCEL. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here): [ YES ] example.vote.yes [ NO ] example.vote.no [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation Do *not* modify or delete any other information in this ballot. Votetaking is automated, and any other changes to the ballot may prevent your vote from being counted. When you're finished, mail the ballot to . Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you ordinarily use a spam block, please delete it and use a valid address to vote. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. -=-=-=-BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete Everything Before This Line=-=-=-=- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Usenet Ballot: talk.religion.bahai Valid ballots are distributed blank in a Call for | Leave this Votes posted to news.announce.newgroups or mailed | marker here: by the votetaker. Other ballots may be rejected. | Give your real name on the next line (do not give your email address). Your name --> [Your Vote] Group (Place your vote in the empty brackets below.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] talk.religion.bahai ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-END OF BALLOT: Delete Everything After This Line-=-=-=-=-=- DISTRIBUTION This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.religion.bahai soc.culture.israel soc.rights.human talk.religion.misc soc.religion.bahai (posted separately) The CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Baha'i Studies Submission address: Bahai-st@johnco.cc.ks.us Request address: major@johnco.cc.ks.us Mailing list name: h-bahai Submission address: h-bahai@h-net.msu.edu Request address:smaneck@berry.edu or jrcole@umich.edu Mailing list name: Talisman Submission address: talisman@umich.edu Request address: jsgreen@umich.edu Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: a.bsu.religion alt.religion alt.religion.islam news.admin.censorship soc.religion.eastern soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.hindu soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker soc.religion.sikhism soc.religion.unitarian-univ soc.religion.vaishnava talk.religion.buddhism talk.religion.newage uk.religion.interfaith uk.religion.misc uk.religion.other-faiths The CFV is also available by e-mail from the votetaker. -- Rebecca Graham McQuitty From mcq@wco.com Sun Feb 22 16:00:08 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,soc.culture.israel,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc Subject: RESULT: talk.religion.bahai fails 109:65 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <888191514.9571@isc.org> Supersedes: <886995638.1457@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:51:54 GMT Lines: 306 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9794 news.groups:272256 soc.culture.israel:101368 soc.rights.human:65449 talk.religion.misc:310243 RESULT unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai fails 109:65 There were 109 YES votes and 65 NO votes, for a total of 174 valid votes. There were 10 abstains and 3 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months. Please post any discussion of this RESULT to news.groups. Newsgroups line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Feb 1998. A neutral, third-party volunteer conducted this vote. Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponents. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Chris Manvell Proponent: Ron House Mentor: Chris Stone Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. Between January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, and March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. Between April 1, 1997 and September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. During this time period, approximately 513 different individuals posted on over 1,200 threads. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. As is true for other groups devoted to discussing a particular religion, including soc.religion.bahai, the talk.religion.bahai newsgroup is not an official organ of any institutional faith. END CHARTER. talk.religion.bahai Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 110576.764 [at] compuserve.com Henri-Charles de Flhrier aelyria [at] goodnet.com Alma Engels afshin.afrashteh [at] utoronto.ca Afshin Afrashteh alex [at] unicorn.us.com Alex Matulich an588 [at] freenet.carleton.ca Catherine Woodgold ann_mcginley [at] hotmail.com Ann McGinley aull [at] ll.mit.edu Brian Aull baird [at] gate.net Baird Stafford bill [at] srisoft.com Bill W Smith Jr bmathieu [at] micron.net Brent Mathieu bn872 [at] freenet.carleton.ca Michael McKenny booda [at] datasync.com Martin H. Booda bpurosky [at] visix.com Bill Purosky Carol_Bowie [at] mindlink.bc.ca Carol Bowie cdt [at] op.net Chris Trumbore Chris [at] breacais.demon.co.uk Christopher John Manvell chriseb [at] nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer cipher [at] mindspring.com David A. Howard ck508 [at] freenet.carleton.ca Lionel Wagner cstone [at] math.unm.edu Chris Stone curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com Curtis (Jewell) Whalen dan [at] remote.control.com Dan L. Pierson david [at] home.net.nz David Farrar dbowie [at] sas.upenn.edu David Bowie desiegel [at] aol.com David E. Siegel dputzolu [at] teleport.com David M. Putzolu ekako [at] northcoast.com Kindrick Ownby elliotglaysher [at] yahoo.com Elliot Glaysher emma [at] csli.Stanford.EDU Emma Pease er_er_an [at] hotmail.com J Vuh fbaker [at] ncsa.uiuc.edu Frank M. Baker fed [at] millcomm.com Frank Druktainis fglaysher [at] hotmail.com Frederick Glaysher fgsoler [at] value.net Frank G. Soler forumbahai [at] es.co.nz Steve Marshall fran [at] crhc.uiuc.edu Frances Baker gaillard [at] panix.com Ed Gaillard gazissax [at] netcom.com Lynn Diana Gazis gglaser [at] minn.net Ginger Glaser ggw [at] wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory G. Woodbury hmiddlem [at] cyberus.ca Harry T Middleman hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM Mark Hood house [at] usq.edu.au Ron House IJF16 [at] student.canterbury.ac.nz Isaac Freeman irina [at] rempt.xs4all.nl Irina Rempt J.K.A.Singh-Rathore [at] ping.be J.K.A. Singh-Rathore jaed [at] best.com Jeanne A. E. DeVoto jake [at] netins.net R. "Jake" Jakoubek james.farrar [at] ic.ac.uk James Farrar jbh5 [at] cornell.edu Jean B. Hunter jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com John David Galt jeffd [at] goodnet.com Jeffrey J. Davey jeffford [at] cs.utexas.edu Jeff Ford jharnick [at] nornet.on.ca John A. Harnick jkrobert [at] students.wisc.edu.nolongpig Jason Roberts jmalina [at] wenet.net Jo Ann Malina jolomo [at] netcom.com Joe Morris jonathan [at] lionheart.net Jonathan Padgett JoySafari [at] aol.com jtbell [at] cs1.presby.edu Jon Bell karromde [at] nyx.net Ken Arromdee kebera [at] Cyblings.ON.CA Krishna E. Bera keillan [at] quest.cc.purdue.edu Kelly G. Willis kopetsbj [at] cs.purdue.edu Brett J. Kopetsky kuch [at] ms.uky.edu John Allen Kuchenbrod kyra [at] flash.net Debra Davies Huffman lightspring [at] jps.net Thomas Spellman maryam [at] netlink.com.au Maryam Butson Massoud.Ajami [at] sdsu.eduDELETE Massoud Ajami matt [at] mec.edu Matt Bancroft mcgregoa [at] Cognos.COM Alayne McGregor meflin [at] dimensional.com James S. Lopeman michael [at] unicorn-connection.co.uk Michael Parry mirele [at] super.zippo.com Deana M. Holmes mtgalvin [at] ouray.cudenver.edu Michael-Teunis Galvin mughal [at] alumni.caltech.edu Asim Mughal neil [at] nkelley.demon.co.uk Neil Kelley neilc [at] stanford.edu Neilist Crellin obfusa [at] mack.rt66.com Franklin D. Schlatter Group Orthodox olav [at] viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar Pamela.Glaysher [at] moa.net Pamela Glaysher philh [at] vision25.demon.co.uk Philip Hunt PIERCEED [at] sswdserver.sswd.csus.edu Eric David Pierce pjh1 [at] leicester.ac.uk Pete Humble pjohnson [at] vsla.edu K. Paul Johnson poul [at] earthling.net.NOSPAM.PLEASE Poul A. Costinsky rdetweil [at] boi.hp.com Dick Detweiler rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller RK-esperantisto [at] juno.com Rick Koshko roesingere [at] indy.tce.com Eric G Roesinger romanc [at] rpi.edu Cesar C. Palerm roxanamorgan11 [at] home.com Roxana Morgan rreini [at] wwnet.net Roger Reini rtower [at] yahoo.com Ron Tower sas [at] frontiernet.net Stuart Schweid simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall slavitch [at] loran.com Michael Slavitch Tobias.Erle [at] GMX.net Tobias Erle todd [at] nutria.nrlssc.navy.mil Todd Mullins tommycarter [at] usa.net Tommy Carter tricia [at] glonet.co.nz Tricia Hague-Blackford Wayne_Sanders-Unrein_at_2-HTI-2VA [at] ccgate.hac.com Wayne Sanders-Unrein whateverman [at] erols.com Jon Richt wisanr [at] norwich.net Dick Wisan WTobyL [at] aol.com Toby Lomax wwfiv [at] ix.netcom.com William W. Farley IV xanthian [at] well.com Kent Paul Dolan znmeb [at] teleport.com M. Edward Borasky zutetflute [at] aol.com Andree Maani Voted No ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- abir [at] comtrol.com Abir Majid andrew.pemberton-pigott [at] ualberta.ca Andrew Pemberton-Pigott babboo [at] writeme.com Peter Buchy barneyk [at] ziplink.net Michael "Barney" Kennedy bobbymitchell [at] totacc.com Bobby Mitchell centiped [at] grey.xs4all.nl Roelf Renkema d [at] idiom.com d David.Robinson [at] Eng.Sun.COM David Robinson djull [at] mindspring.com David Jull dwolff [at] world.std.com David "Not a Bahai" Wolff EdvardJ [at] simi.is Edvard T. Jonsson Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke fdbetts [at] mindspring.com Dean Betts forbes [at] cheerful.com Forbes Benning Gata [at] aol.com Shirley Macias globe99 [at] Mlink.NET Derrick Jobidon gpoirier [at] acca.nmsu.edu G. Brent Poirier Graham [at] fragrant.demon.co.uk Graham Sorenson hcwtcurtis [at] email.msn.com Larry D. Curtis hfung [at] lerami.lerctr.org Hank Fung hhouse [at] mailcity.com Harry House hymanfam [at] samoatelco.com William M. Hyman iskandar [at] acsu.buffalo.edu Iskandar Hai jasmine [at] fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor jjam [at] hplabsz.hpl.hp.com Jim S. Jam judd.rook [at] pnn.com Judd A Rook kimdv [at] best.com Kim DeVaughn krc1 [at] mail.enter.net Phil Thomas ksm8p [at] avery.med.virginia.edu kavian milani lcs [at] zk3.dec.com Larry Smith LSEAMANS [at] MU3.MILLERSV.EDU Lynne Seamans marcus9 [at] usa.net Marcus Davidson mehyar22 [at] siol.net Mehyar Badii-Azandahi mlcook [at] jerez.cca.rockwell.com Michael Cook mlocher [at] ibm.net Maximilian Greer Locher momen [at] northill.demon.co.uk Moojan Momen naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber nigel [at] nigelshomes.com Nigel Austin-Weeks nightbrd [at] humboldt1.com Douglas Myers ongang [at] mail.indigo.ie Ann O'Neill pan [at] syix.com Pan patl [at] cag.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti persia [at] persia.com Robert Moldenhauer petcook [at] total.net Peter Cook pewatler [at] cyf-kr.edu.pl Miguel Watler ph289jk [at] prism.gatech.edu Joseph Khoury polzer [at] uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de Andreas Polzer red [at] rahul.net Red riazor [at] nutecnet.com.br Irlandes Fernandes Gonzaga Junior rmp [at] heehaw.com Rafael Palmeiro roger.borseth [at] mci2000.com Roger Borseth rossdee [at] ramhb.co.nz Ross Deeley samoasys [at] samoatelco.com Jane C. Hyman shohre [at] itis.com Shohre Mansouri shrao [at] nyx.net Shrisha Rao stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown steiners [at] primenet.com Jason Steiner steve [at] Watt.COM Steve Watt stronguv [at] freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Donald Strong Sunday122 [at] aol.com Sunday Marie Witte talishman [at] usa.net T. Albert-Ishmael Anderson tlawson [at] amug.org Todd C. Lawson todd.kutches [at] attws.com Todd Kutches wdmaddox [at] rice.edu Bill Maddox wpagel [at] wazoo.com Karen L. Pagel Abstained ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- af479 [at] rgfn.epcc.Edu Samandar Roshan-Zamir biow [at] ezmort.com Christopher Biow chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman guymacon [at] deltanet.com Guy Macon hkt [at] wwa.com Henrietta Thomas johnn [at] jolt.mpx.com.au John New kpascoe [at] ford.com Kathy Pascoe NEW_DAWN [at] compuserve.com Crispin Pemberton-Pigott rick [at] helix.nih.gov Rick Troxel rpascoe [at] freenet.npiec.on.ca robert Pascoe Votes in error ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- fpbbgre [at] gnenanxv.np.am Scooter ! Invalid address notarius [at] nym.alias.net Notarius ! Anonymous remailer tom-hodges [at] geocities.com Tom Hodges ! No ballot -- Rebecca Graham McQuitty From fglaysher@hotmail.com Tue Sep 29 14:28:10 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Frederick Glaysher" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.rights.human Subject: RFD: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <906971118.8945@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:25:18 GMT Lines: 206 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10595 news.groups:297056 talk.religion.misc:345674 soc.rights.human:79571 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to create an unmoderated worldwide discussion group called talk.religion.bahai. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details appear below. All followup discussion should be crossposted to news.groups,alt.religion.bahai. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai Currently, the only newsgroup on the Big 8 heirarchies, which exists specifically for discussion of the Baha'i Faith, is moderated. A need exists for an unmoderated forum, and this proposed newsgroup would meet that need. From January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, until March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. From April 1, 1997, to September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages have been posted on alt.religion.bahai from people with highly varying points of view on the Baha'i Faith, resulting in 16 messages per day for 179 days, and 477 messages a month for six months. Since www.dejanews.com does not pick up all postings, an additional conservative 5 percent, roughly 150 messages, have probably been lost from the archive. During this time period, approximately 513 different individuals posted on over 1,200 threads. From September 28, 1997, to September 21, 1998, over 31,000 messages have been posted to alt.religion.bahai resulting in 90 messages per day for 341 days and 2,583 messages per month for nine months. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Please note that despite the poor propagation of the alt.* hierarchy the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, justifying the forming of an unmoderated newsgroup on the Bahai Faith on the talk.* hierarchy. It is only reasonable to conclude that the easy accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. As a further indication of interest in an unmoderated newsgroup, it should be noted that the web site "The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience" has had more than 3,715 hits on it since May 8, 1998 representing 26 hits a day for 139 days or roughly 900 a month: http://members.tripod.com/~fglaysher/bahai.htm The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai, on the less well propagated alt.* hierarchy, the opportunity to participate, especially since many people who voted YES on the first proposal were unable to join in on alt.religion.bahai, their ISPs not carrying the hierarchy. It is anticipated that alt.religion.bahai will evolve along as its users see fit and will complement talk.religion.bahai as an alternative unmoderated newsgroup. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Postings may take any point of view with regard to the Baha'i Faith. Whilst this allows criticism, including criticism that might be uncomfortable or hurtful to some, it also fully opens the door for enquirers to see with their own eyes and not through the eyes of their neighbours by asking questions and reading replies from anyone who is interested in their question. Talk.religion.bahai also fills the need for the first and only universally accessible Internet forum about the Baha'i Faith. As the Internet is clearly becoming an indispensible part of modern life, such access for those interested in the Baha'i Faith will, in the future, be as important a civil right as the right to free speech in non- electronic forums. Thus talk.religion.bahai is clearly in the spirit of Baha'u'llah's injunctions supporting a free press. As Baha'u'llah taught, a free press has both rights and responsibilities. Therefore some Baha'is might fear misuse of the facility, especially postings by covenant-Breakers. However, the Universal House of Justice has addressed this question: "First, the civil rights of Covenant-breakers must be scrupulously upheld." From a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to a National Spiritual Assembly, October 29, 1974. Lights of Guidance, Page: 186. Further, it is permitted for Baha'is to read and post material in an open Internet forum: "In general, the House of Justice has no objection to Baha'is' participating in public, unmoderated discussions about the Faith, whether those discussions take place in person or through some form of electronic communication." Department of the Secretariat, DATE: 14 October 1997 U.S.A. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette and voting procedure in their use of this newsgroup and during its creation. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not specifically relevant to the Baha'i Faith is strongly discouraged. Also discouraged are personal messages, large ASCII graphics, binaries, special-format files, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely commercial nature. Crossposting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect followups to reduce excessive crossposting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. As is true for other groups devoted to discussing a particular religion, including supposedly soc.religion.bahai, the talk.religion.bahai newsgroup is not an official organ of any institutional faith. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: An instructive passage by Russ Allbery might fruitfully be considered by all: "There is no official 'list of acceptable reasons for voting'; Nothing of the sort is enforced. There's no way of knowing why people vote the way they do. There *is*, however, a general *consensus* that certain *patterns* of voting constitute abuse of the system. Block voting on religious, cultural, ethnic, or political grounds is one of the things that is frowned upon. It is unlikely that even extreme block voting would cause a result to be overturned, but it's practically assured that block voting *will* earn an extremely bad reputation for the group doing the block voting. In other words, yes, the Baha'i *could* vote down the newsgroup en masse and be successful. This would, however, also earn the Faith a reputation (fairly or no) amongst those people who followed the proposal as a religion that advocates censorship. I think it's in the best interest of Baha'is and the Baha'i Faith to avoid that." The process of creating newsgroups is twofold. First is the RFD stage, when someone writes a Request for Discussion (RFD) outlining the purpose of the proposed group. The RFD appears in news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and other relevant discussion groups. Anyone may publicly comment on the RFD in news.groups for a three-week period. During the discussion phase, proponents may modify the RFD in response to suggestions from posters on news.groups. The second stage is the Call for Votes (CFV) stage. The proposal must pass a Usenet-wide vote with a 2/3 supermajority -- and at least 100 more votes in favor than against -- to be created. Anyone with an e-mail address may cast a ballot. A neutral votetaker from the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) conducts all CFV's. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD" and available for perusal on news.groups or news.announce.newgroups. Please refer to these documents if you have further questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.rights.human and the following four mailing lists: Talisman Subscribe: jsgreen@umich.edu Bahai Studies Subscribe: major@johnco.cc.ks.us h-Bahai h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Subscribe: jrcole@umich.edu bahai-faith bahai-faith@egroups.com Subscribe: bahai-faith-subscribe@makelist.com or http://www.eGroups.com Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.unitarian-univ,soc.religion.eastern, soc.religion.gnosis,soc.religion.hindu, soc.religion.paganism,soc.religion.quaker, talk.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.newage, uk.religion.misc,uk.religion.interfaith, uk.religion.other-faiths,news.admin.censorship, alt.atheism,alt.atheism.moderated, alt.religion,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, alt.religion.christian.last-days, alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.individualism, talk.philosophy.misc,alt.activism,talk.atheism, talk.philosophy.humanism,talk.philosophy.misc, alt.philosophy.debate,aus.religion.christian Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Ron House Proponent: Fran Baker Proponent: Frank Baker From fbaker@ncsa.uiuc.edu Tue Oct 27 06:15:29 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Frank Baker" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.rights.human Subject: 2nd RFD: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <909496675.5809@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:57:55 GMT Lines: 155 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10646 news.groups:300288 talk.religion.misc:349952 soc.rights.human:81119 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to create talk.religion.bahai as an unmoderated worldwide discussion group. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details appear below. All follow-up discussion should be cross-posted to news.groups,alt.religion.bahai. Newsgroup line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai The newsgroup talk.religion.bahai is proposed to meet the need for an open and unmoderated forum for discussion of the Baha'i Faith within the structure of the Big 8 hierarchies. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai the opportunity to participate. It is noted that the alt.* hierarchy is less well propagated than the talk.* hierarchy; this has meant that many people who have voted YES on earlier proposals have been unable to join discussions on alt.religion.bahai. This is the third talk.religion.bahai proposal to be submitted. The following information is included for those interested in the growth of participation in predecessor forums. - From January 17, 1997, the posting of the first proposed RFD, until March 27, 1997, more than 759 messages were posted concerning talk.religion.bahai, 11 messages per day for 70 days. - From April 1, 1997, to September 27, 1997, over 2,863 messages were posted on alt.religion.bahai, from people with wide-ranging points of view on the Baha'i Faith. This is an average of 16 messages per day for 179 days or 477 messages a month for six months. During this time period, approximately 513 different individuals posted on over 1,200 threads. - From September 28, 1997, to September 21, 1998, over 31,000 messages have been posted to alt.religion.bahai, an average of 90 messages per day for 341 days or 2,583 messages per month for nine months. These numbers may be verified by searching www.dejanews.com for talk.religion.bahai and alt.religion.bahai for the relevant time periods. Note that www.dejanews.com cannot pick up all postings and sometimes splits long postings into 2 or more shorter ones; while they may not be exact, these numbers offer a clear picture of the level of activity. Please note that despite the lower propagation rate of the alt.* hierarchy, the high rate of posting demonstrates significant interest, supporting the formation of an unmoderated newsgroup on the talk.* hierarchy. It is reasonable to conclude that the higher accessibility of the talk.* hierarchy will lead to even higher rates of posting by interested people. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Talk.religion.bahai fills the need for a fully open and universally accessible Internet forum about the Baha'i Faith. Postings may take any point of view with regard to the Baha'i Faith. While this allows criticism, it also fully opens the door for enquirers to see with their own eyes and not through the eyes of their neighbors, asking questions and reading replies from anyone who is interested in their question. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette in their use of this newsgroup. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not relevant to the Baha'i Faith is prohibited. Large ASCII graphics, large binaries, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely personal or commercial nature are prohibited. To facilitate viewing in news readers that are not HTML-capable, HTML-formatted postings are strongly discouraged. Cross-posting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect follow-ups to reduce excessive cross-posting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "Writing an RFD" and available for perusal on news.groups or news.announce.newgroups. Please refer to these documents if you have further questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,talk.religion.misc,soc.rights.human and the following four mailing lists: Talisman Subscribe: jsgreen@umich.edu Bahai Studies Subscribe: major@johnco.cc.ks.us h-Bahai h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Subscribe: jrcole@umich.edu bahai-faith bahai-faith@egroups.com Subscribe: bahai-faith-subscribe@makelist.com or http://www.eGroups.com Pointers will appear in the following newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern, soc.religion.gnosis, soc.religion.hindu, soc.religion.paganism, soc.religion.quaker, soc.religion.unitarian-univ, talk.religion.buddhism, talk.religion.newage, uk.religion.misc, uk.religion.interfaith, uk.religion.other-faiths, talk.philosophy.misc, talk.philosophy.humanism, alt.religion Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Ron House Proponent: Fran Baker Proponent: Frank Baker From dave@dogwood.com Thu Dec 3 22:00:52 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc Subject: CFV: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <912751156.20653@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 26 Dec 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:59:17 GMT Lines: 164 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10731 news.groups:302078 soc.rights.human:83374 talk.religion.misc:353960 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai Newsgroups line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Dec 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Ron House Proponent: Fran Baker Proponent: Frank Baker Proponent: John Walker Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai The newsgroup talk.religion.bahai is proposed to meet the need for an open and unmoderated forum for discussion of the Baha'i Faith within the structure of the Big 8 hierarchies. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai the opportunity to participate. It is noted that the alt.* hierarchy is less well propagated than the talk.* hierarchy; this has meant that many people who have voted YES on earlier proposals have been unable to join discussions on alt.religion.bahai. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Talk.religion.bahai fills the need for a fully open and universally accessible Internet forum about the Baha'i Faith. Postings may take any point of view with regard to the Baha'i Faith. While this allows criticism, it also fully opens the door for enquirers to see with their own eyes and not through the eyes of their neighbors, asking questions and reading replies from anyone who is interested in their question. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette in their use of this newsgroup. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not relevant to the Baha'i Faith is prohibited. Large ASCII graphics, large binaries, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely personal or commercial nature are prohibited. To facilitate viewing in news readers that are not HTML-capable, HTML-formatted postings are strongly discouraged. Cross-posting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect follow-ups to reduce excessive cross-posting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: vote@dogwood.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on talk.religion.bahai I vote NO on talk.religion.bahai Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses, names and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. ***** SPECIAL NOTE: DUE TO THE CHRISTMAS BREAK AND OTHER FACTORS THE RESULTS FOR THIS GROUP ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE LONGER THAN NORMAL TO BE POSTED. ***** DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Talisman Submission address: talisman@umich.edu Request address: jsgreen@umich.edu Mailing list name: Bahai Studies Submission address: bahai-st@johnco.cc.ks.us Request address: major@johnco.cc.ks.us Mailing list name: h-Bahai Submission address: h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Request address: jrcole@umich.edu Mailing list name: bahai-faith Submission address: bahai-faith@egroups.com Request address: bahai-faith-subscribe@egroups.com Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: alt.religion soc.religion.eastern soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.hindu soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker soc.religion.unitarian-univ talk.religion.buddhism talk.religion.newage talk.philosophy.humanism talk.philosophy.misc uk.religion.interfaith uk.religion.misc uk.religion.other-faiths -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com From dave@dogwood.com Mon Dec 14 10:45:31 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: talk.religion.bahai Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <913660923.1317@isc.org> References: <912751156.20653@isc.org> Supersedes: <912751156.20653@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 26 Dec 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:42:04 GMT Lines: 164 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10748 news.groups:302309 soc.rights.human:83579 talk.religion.misc:354353 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai Newsgroups line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Dec 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Ron House Proponent: Fran Baker Proponent: Frank Baker Proponent: John Walker Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai The newsgroup talk.religion.bahai is proposed to meet the need for an open and unmoderated forum for discussion of the Baha'i Faith within the structure of the Big 8 hierarchies. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai the opportunity to participate. It is noted that the alt.* hierarchy is less well propagated than the talk.* hierarchy; this has meant that many people who have voted YES on earlier proposals have been unable to join discussions on alt.religion.bahai. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Talk.religion.bahai fills the need for a fully open and universally accessible Internet forum about the Baha'i Faith. Postings may take any point of view with regard to the Baha'i Faith. While this allows criticism, it also fully opens the door for enquirers to see with their own eyes and not through the eyes of their neighbors, asking questions and reading replies from anyone who is interested in their question. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette in their use of this newsgroup. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not relevant to the Baha'i Faith is prohibited. Large ASCII graphics, large binaries, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely personal or commercial nature are prohibited. To facilitate viewing in news readers that are not HTML-capable, HTML-formatted postings are strongly discouraged. Cross-posting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect follow-ups to reduce excessive cross-posting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected >from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: vote@dogwood.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on talk.religion.bahai I vote NO on talk.religion.bahai Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses, names and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. ***** SPECIAL NOTE: DUE TO THE CHRISTMAS BREAK AND OTHER FACTORS THE RESULTS FOR THIS GROUP ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE LONGER THAN NORMAL TO BE POSTED. ***** DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Talisman Submission address: talisman@umich.edu Request address: jsgreen@umich.edu Mailing list name: Bahai Studies Submission address: bahai-st@johnco.cc.ks.us Request address: major@johnco.cc.ks.us Mailing list name: h-Bahai Submission address: h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Request address: jrcole@umich.edu Mailing list name: bahai-faith Submission address: bahai-faith@egroups.com Request address: bahai-faith-subscribe@egroups.com Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: alt.religion soc.religion.eastern soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.hindu soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker soc.religion.unitarian-univ talk.religion.buddhism talk.religion.newage talk.philosophy.humanism talk.philosophy.misc uk.religion.interfaith uk.religion.misc uk.religion.other-faiths -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com From dave@dogwood.com Sun Jan 10 19:45:22 1999 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.religion.bahai,soc.rights.human,talk.religion.misc Subject: RESULT: talk.religion.bahai passes 218:63 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <916026106.17084@isc.org> References: <912751156.20653@isc.org> <913660923.1317@isc.org> Supersedes: <913660923.1317@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: talk.religion.bahai Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 03:41:46 GMT Lines: 444 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10789 news.groups:303065 soc.rights.human:84218 talk.religion.misc:356721 RESULT unmoderated group talk.religion.bahai passes 218:63 There were 218 YES votes and 63 NO votes, for a total of 281 valid votes. There were 6 abstentions and 8 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: talk.religion.bahai Discussion of the Baha'i Faith. Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Dec 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Frederick Glaysher Proponent: Ron House Proponent: Fran Baker Proponent: Frank Baker Proponent: John Walker Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: talk.religion.bahai The newsgroup talk.religion.bahai is proposed to meet the need for an open and unmoderated forum for discussion of the Baha'i Faith within the structure of the Big 8 hierarchies. The proponents intend that talk.religion.bahai will complement, rather than supplant, the existing moderated group soc.religion.bahai, and will provide those without access to alt.religion.bahai the opportunity to participate. It is noted that the alt.* hierarchy is less well propagated than the talk.* hierarchy; this has meant that many people who have voted YES on earlier proposals have been unable to join discussions on alt.religion.bahai. CHARTER: talk.religion.bahai All topics or ideas relevant to the Baha'i faith -- its history, teachings, theology, etc. -- would be appropriate areas for discussion. Talk.religion.bahai fills the need for a fully open and universally accessible Internet forum about the Baha'i Faith. Postings may take any point of view with regard to the Baha'i Faith. While this allows criticism, it also fully opens the door for enquirers to see with their own eyes and not through the eyes of their neighbors, asking questions and reading replies from anyone who is interested in their question. Readers are asked to observe standard netiquette in their use of this newsgroup. Readers are asked to observe Baha'i standards of conduct and not to start or prolong flamewars in the group, but to focus instead on articles and threads written in more moderate terms. The posting of articles not relevant to the Baha'i Faith is prohibited. Large ASCII graphics, large binaries, pornography, spam, and any postings of a purely personal or commercial nature are prohibited. To facilitate viewing in news readers that are not HTML-capable, HTML-formatted postings are strongly discouraged. Cross-posting to irrelevant groups is also discouraged, and readers are encouraged to redirect follow-ups to reduce excessive cross-posting. Readers may also post articles that have been rejected >from soc.religion.bahai, so long as they conform to this charter. END CHARTER. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Talisman Submission address: talisman@umich.edu Request address: jsgreen@umich.edu Mailing list name: Bahai Studies Submission address: bahai-st@johnco.cc.ks.us Request address: major@johnco.cc.ks.us Mailing list name: h-Bahai Submission address: h-Bahai@h-net.msu.edu Request address: jrcole@umich.edu Mailing list name: bahai-faith Submission address: bahai-faith@egroups.com Request address: bahai-faith-subscribe@egroups.com Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: alt.religion soc.religion.eastern soc.religion.gnosis soc.religion.hindu soc.religion.paganism soc.religion.quaker soc.religion.unitarian-univ talk.religion.buddhism talk.religion.newage talk.philosophy.humanism talk.philosophy.misc uk.religion.interfaith uk.religion.misc uk.religion.other-faiths talk.religion.bahai Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- garner#looksmart.com.au Rena Garner johnn#mpx.com.au John New mclark#tpgi.com.au Martin Clark house#usq.edu.au Ron House jmara#cyllene.uwa.edu.au Joel Jani Marangella ghous#osr.nsw.gov.au Gitie House billbrwr#compusmart.ab.ca Bill Brewer sugimotm#cuug.ab.ca Mike Sugimoto crleech#freenet.carleton.ca Colin R. Leech shaheedi#nbnet.nb.ca Afzal Shaheedi trustone#bc.sympatico.ca Akbarally Meherally zarepour#mathstat.uottawa.ca Mahmoud Zarepour. narayan123#123india.com Kanva Narayan tierney#alloymail.com Sal Tierney hanv#angelfire.com Haq Hanvey AAli929596#aol.com Abdulnasser Ali BilboJedi#aol.com Elliot Glaysher BRaynor781#aol.com CRust60001#aol.com Fglaysher#aol.com Frederick Glaysher HANI72#aol.com Hani Ayyad Jimo3#aol.com Jim Overmyer JoySafari#aol.com Marcella Hamilton KevinEco#aol.com Kevin Haines Macho786#aol.com Maaz Khan Member1700#aol.com Anthony A. Lee Pglaysher#aol.com Pamela Glaysher PikachuEG#aol.com Ethan Glaysher PParvin#aol.com RayHanania#aol.com John Doe RobertNik#aol.com Robert S Nikjoo SAMaso#aol.com J. Eddie Parent. Shaksway#aol.com jim Davis (shaksway) Smastr#aol.com Sam Masters amasri#dcn.att.com Ala'a Elmasri macleod#beloved.com John MacLeod alexdawson#bigfoot.com Alex Dawson kindervater#businessweekmail.com "Doc" Kindervater tom4#canoemail.com Thomas Buckland sandraa#ccnmail.com S. A. habuhant#CH2M.com Haytham Abu-Hantash markow#chickmail.com Sassy Markow Laudrigan#collegeclub.com Bud Laudrigan jgoldberg#condolawyers.com Jeffrey A. Goldberg kathleenm#cybertrails.com McKibben Family eridani#databasix.com Belinda booda#datasync.com Martin H. Booda guymacon#deltanet.com guymacon#deltanet.com (Guy Macon) vminai#spd.dsccc.com Viqar Minai carducci#easypost.com Ladislaus Carducci UNGARINO#ECardMail.Com Eleanor Ungarino john_brownston#educastmail.com John Brownston mercado959#email.com Jennifer Mercado edwardiii#england.com Edward III stomljen#enteract.com Steve Tomljenovic rothbrian#mail.entrepreneurmag.com Brian Roth alshawa#erols.com Amer Alshawa shaukat#erols.com Khalid Shaukat tutstone#eudoramail.com Marlene Tutstone lopezaz#excite.com Jaime Lopez umaraadil#excite.com Umar Aadil Abdul Rahman McKloskey Abdullah gkerley#execpc.com Gillam Kerley david#farrar.com David Farrar lucie_vendome#fcmail.com Lucie Vendome wilsonj#flashemail.com Jack Wilson runchey467#fnmail.com Jeff Runchey dave#frackit.com Dave Ratcliffe howie#giantsfan.com Ron Howard kendrick64#GNWMail.com Steve Kendrick BHoyt#goplay.com Brian Hoyt bjv#herbison.com B.J. Herbison maher#home.com Maher Barakat c.nunez#hotbot.com Cindy Nunez burnettcj#hotmail.com Clara Frade-Burnett shakir_husain#hotmail.com Shakir Husain rdetweil#boi.hp.com Dick Detweiler rshane#us.ibm.com Randall Shane goodlett#ignmail.com Jim Goodlett takriti#ihorizons.com Mohamad Takriti hopegartner#iname.com Alice Hopegartner matthew_cromer#iname.com Matthew Cromer ramirazodi#iname.com Roohi Amirazodi muntada#inix.com Rashid jaed#jaedworks.com Jeanne A. E. DeVoto kwame#jahoopa.com Kwame Unanda samorgan#java-man.com lininger#theheadoffice.com Lininger
AlvartRiecker#unbounded.com Alvart Riecker smahmud#uop.com Shahid Mahmud lingel#email.women.com Sam Lingel haldi#worldmailer.com Kenneth Haldi arman_taj#yahoo.com Arman Tajarobi galaxy001#yahoo.com j.s. kruposki#yahoo.com Andrew Krupowicz nimans#yahoo.com Niman Shukairy padidehjan#yahoo.com PadidehjAn uhler668#yahoo.com Nancy Uhler kakhtar#yours.com Khalid Akhtar vote#kholdan.snafu.de tobias erle indratmoko.poerwanto#heim6.tu-clausthal.de Indratmoko Poerwanto cstone#uclink4.berkeley.edu Chris Stone nmcnelly#bu.edu N.A.F. McNelly hfung#CSUPomona.Edu Henry Fung jdeutsch#osf1.gmu.edu Jeffrey Deutsch jdresner#fas.harvard.edu Jonathan Dresner jwalbrid#indiana.edu John Walbridge moslem#MIT.EDU Tarik Alatovic osborndo#pilot.msu.edu Donald Z Osborn akhtars#ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Siraj Akhtar daas#bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu Mutaz Daas wajahat#bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu Wajahat A Khan slipstk#olemiss.edu Gordon Smith kopetsbj#cs.purdue.edu Brett J. Kopetsky DELETE_Massoud.Ajami#sdsu.edu Massoud Ajami fran#crhc.uiuc.edu Frances R. Baker fbaker#ncsa.uiuc.edu Frank Baker ashaikh#eecs.umich.edu Anees Shaikh nedsaleh#engin.umich.edu Nedal Saleh jrcole#umich.edu Juan Cole nizam#umich.edu Nizam Arain harinath#cs.umn.edu Raja R Harinath hougen#cs.umn.edu Dean Hougen whitl005#tc.umn.edu Jonathan R Whitling dbowie#sas.upenn.edu David Bowie aabdalla#pollux.usc.edu Ahmed Abd-Allah endro#sys3.cs.usu.edu Endro Kusumo malo#pop3.utoledo.edu Mohammed Alo ASyamil#uoft02.utoledo.edu John Doe pjohnson#vsla.edu K. Paul Johnson aahmed#biology.biosci.wayne.edu Aamina Ahmed nali#med.wayne.edu Nasima Ali rufinus#mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus Paul.S.Wolf#alum.wpi.edu Paul S. Wolf vsaarine#cs.Helsinki.FI Vesa Saarinen bmcewan#healthnet.mrc.gm Bob McEwan. nmas#otenet.gr Nikos Mastrakoulis khairol#tm.net.my Khairol Azmi Yussof rinerin#tm.net.my shahrin shah bin abdul rahman sl1pbx#ameritech.net Gene Truto mbkafes#bestweb.net   Milissa Boyer=20 davetayl#concentric.net David Taylor islam662#CSSN.NET Sabeel Ahmed booko#earthlink.net Sharon Bouchard oreocat#ETINTERNET.NET Gary L. King ljmoore#freespace.net LarryMoore sas#frontiernet.net Stuart S baird#gate.net Baird Stafford sinanju#gateway.net John Noland lightspring#jps.net Thomas Spellman rreini#mediaone.net Roger Reini peterry#megalink.net Peter=20 bmathieu#micron.net Brent Mathieu EPierce#ns.net Eric D. Pierce jonboy#onlink.net Trevor Tymchuk r.marsou#pmail.net Robert Marsou RPittman#postmark.net Richard Pittman trhan#serv.net Teri Rhan alhadid#SoftHome.net Muhammad=20 m-t-head#surfari.net Lloyd Madansky ayloush#usa.net Hussam Ayloush ceo4life#usa.net Harry Clinkhammer Toadis#usa.net Andres Gutierrez de Cos tommycarter#usa.net Tommy Carter emilyjackson#webtv.net Emily Jackson kaitlin_forrest#zensearch.net Kaitlin Forrest irina#rempt.xs4all.nl Irina Rempt forumbahai#es.co.nz Steve Marshall iio#iio.org Islamic Information Office irshad#irshad.org Muhammad Irshad peewee#scc.mi.org Jason Wright barthelmes#studentcenter.org Sophia Barthelmes andrew#erlenstar.demon.co.uk Andrew Gierth neil#nkelley.demon.co.uk neil kelley Chambers#fetchmail.co.uk Scott Chambers SamtheMan#postmaster.co.uk SamTHEMan Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mansouri#one.net.au Shahab Mansouri dany.steyaert#ping.be Dany Steyaert carol_bowie#mindlink.bc.ca David Bowie towfiq#401kforum.com Mark Towfiq AErfani#aol.com Hlpflhanna#aol.com Debbie Jenkins Mac0000013#aol.com Starlet001#aol.com Katherine Mayerovitch kimdv#best.com Kim DeVaughn stainles#bga.com Dwight Brown david.ritscher#bigfoot.com David Ritscher r.woodlock#bigfoot.com Rachel Butson lcs#zk3.dec.com Larry Smith camm#enhanced.com Camm Maguire caryenochr#enochsvision.com Enoch's Vision, Inc. (Cary Enoch R.) wcol#erols.com William Collins tom-hodges#geocities.com Tom Hodges aromatica45#hotmail.com Victoria Williams bearone1#hotmail.com Gary Rosenbaum fazlollahi#hotmail.com Ahmad Fazlollahi rachel_t#hotmail.com Theresa McClendon screamingb#hotmail.com Screaming Banshee swatchking#hotmail.com Fred Tague jjam#spica.hpl.hp.com Jim Jam nightbrd#humboldt1.com Douglas Myers shohre#itis.com Shohreh Mansouri bruce.limber#juno.com Bruce D. Limber lpolk01#juno.com Linda L Polk palmtop#mailtag.com Bonnie Blanford djull#mindspring.com David Jull slr1bpz#mindspring.com George McCoy bfwkendo#netvigator.com Brian Walker chriseb#nortelnetworks.com Chris Ebenezer dc#panix.com David W. Crawford persia#persia.com Robert Moldenhauer Sandy-Allan#dial.pipex.com Sandy Allan billh#samoatelco.com Bill Hyman doug.obrien#the-spa.com Doug O'Brien manialip#wowmail.com Kate Sparks francis_uy#yahoo.com F Uy Ekkehard.Uthke#gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke naddy#mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber cnelson#calpoly.edu Craig Nelson aull#ll.mit.edu Brian Aull rick#bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller kohli#mail.ameritel.net Pat Kohli helenko#bellsouth.net Helen Oney cybrmage#dave-world.net Bud Polk rogerb#foxinternet.net Roger Borseth ellis#ftel.net Rick Ellis vpdura#hiwaay.net Vic Dura Scarecro#ime.net Tim Griffin jcornell#lightspeed.net John B. Cornell verbrugh#pionet.net Albert Verbrugh okoboji#prodigy.net Loriann=20 mehyar22#siol.net Mehyar Badii-Azandahi scooter#taranaki.ac.nz NUFAITH#wcnet.org Dennis Rule tr8770#bristol.ac.uk Tom Richards srm103#york.ac.uk Simon Mawhinney merlin#A470.demon.co.uk Darren Wyn Rees Graham#fragrant.demon.co.uk Graham Sorenson leili#Justice.Medford.MA.US Leili Towfigh Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sw.unit02.msn#cwix.com Sue Klein Gennario chris#kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman tikal#mailcity.com Samandar Roshan-Zamir neilc#wallaby.stanford.edu Neil Crellin schuette#s.imap.itd.umich.edu Wade Schuette rick#helix.nih.gov Rick Troxel Invalid ballots ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- afshin.afrashteh#utoronto.ca Afshin Afrashteh ! Disqualified webmaster#muntada.com Abdul-Rashid Abdullah ! Ineligible address ALTAFH#aol.com ! No vote statement in message MeCraigB#aol.com Craig Boyd ! No vote statement in message LISTSERV#H-NET.MSU.EDU L-Soft list server at H-Net - Humanities On-Line (1.8c) ! No vote statement in message lbhollin#ust.hk Richard Hollinger ! No vote statement in message smeanver#tm.net.my smeanver ! No vote statement in message mezmer#globalnet.co.uk Bob/Zannie ! No vote statement in message To restore the email addresses above, pipe the ack list through the following command: sed -e 's/#/@/g' -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com