From jkp@cs.hut.fi Wed Jun 3 09:42:12 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2391 news.groups:52033 talk.politics.misc:120210 alt.society.civil-liberty:5393 alt.politics.elections:3457 soc.culture.europe:9436 eunet.politics:3762 alt.sex:83112 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,alt.sex,alt.politics.british Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jkp@cs.hut.fi (Jyrki Kuoppala) Subject: RFD: talk.politics additions Message-ID: <1992Jun2.192023.21745@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Organization: cs.hut.fi Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 19:20:23 GMT Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 74 This is a request for discussion regarding creation of new newsgroups in the talk.politics hierarchy. I am suggesting that new groups to the talk.politics hierarchy be created to ease the load on talk.politics.misc and make political discussions on geographical areas like Europe possible and also make focused on-topic discussions possible without having to read through big volumes of disucssions not relevant to the topic you are raising. All groups are suggested to be unmoderated. The basis on division of the field of politics on Usenet and altnet currently is to divide it based on geography (groups discussing geographical areas, as in talk.politics.mideast), issues (as in talk.politics.drugs, talk.politics.guns) or according to countries (alt.politics.british). I propose this division to be maintained and also to add a new class, groups for political organizations (talk.polics.ec). The discussion on this proposal will take place in news.groups. More complete descriptions for the groups are desirable - I expect to post versions of this newsgroup list with more complete information on the charters as the discussion proceeds. Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and news.announce.newgroups for the rules that will be followed in creating a newsgroup (). The new groups I propose grouped by this division follow. Groups for countries: talk.politics.usa (to spare the rest of the world from comments on Rush Limbaugh, The Evil of Government Funding of Obscenities etc.) talk.politics.japan talk.politics.china talk.politics.british talk.politics.turkey Groups for political organizations: talk.politics.ec European Community and the development to European Union talk.politics.un United Nations Groups for geographical areas: talk.politics.europe like soc.culture.europe talk.politics.nordic like soc.culture.nordic talk.politics.america.latin talk.politics.baltic talk.politics.balkan Groups for topics: talk.politics.elections talk.politics.sex Sexuality laws, censorship on sexuality, etc. talk.politics.civil-lib As in alt.society.civil-liberty talk.politics.organizations Misc. discussion on political or military organizations: NATO, GATT, European Council talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology talk.politics.usa.constitutional (for discussion on means, problems etc. of returning the authority and application of the U.S. constitution) talk.politics.usa.foreign U.S. relations to other countries talk.politics.economics (political economics: taxes, government spending, etc.) talk.politics.media Political reporting in media, media as political tools //Jyrki From jkp@cs.hut.fi Fri Jun 19 13:23:36 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2428 news.groups:52909 talk.politics.misc:123606 alt.society.civil-liberty:5633 alt.politics.elections:5294 soc.culture.europe:9954 eunet.politics:3796 alt.sex:84303 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,alt.sex,alt.politics.british Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jkp@cs.hut.fi (Jyrki Kuoppala) Subject: 2nd RFD: talk.politics additions Message-ID: <1992Jun19.040711.6441@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Organization: cs.hut.fi Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 04:07:11 GMT Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 116 This is a second request for discussion regarding creation of new newsgroups in the talk.politics hierarchy. There are changes from the first RFD. I am suggesting that new groups to the talk.politics hierarchy be created to ease the load on talk.politics.misc and make political discussions on geographical areas outside USA possible and also make focused on-topic discussions possible without having to read through big volumes of disucssions not relevant to the topic you are interested in. All groups are suggested to be unmoderated. The basis on division of the field of politics on Usenet and altnet currently is to divide it based on geography (groups discussing geographical areas, as in talk.politics.mideast), issues (as in talk.politics.drugs, talk.politics.guns) or according to countries (alt.politics.british). I propose this division to be maintained and also to add a new class, groups for political organizations (currently only talk.polics.un). The discussion on this proposal will take place in news.groups. More complete descriptions for the groups are desirable - I expect to post versions of this newsgroup list with more complete information on the charters as the discussion proceeds. Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and news.announce.newgroups for the rules that will be followed in creating a newsgroup (). The new groups I propose grouped by this division follow. Groups for countries: talk.politics.america.usa (to spare the rest of the world from comments on Rush Limbaugh, The Evil of Government Funding of Obscenities etc.) talk.politics.japan talk.politics.europe.british talk.politics.europe.turkey Groups for political organizations: talk.politics.europe.ec European Community and the development to European Union talk.politics.un United Nations Groups for geographical areas: talk.politics.europe like soc.culture.europe talk.politics.europe.nordic like soc.culture.nordic talk.politics.america.latin talk.politics.europe.baltic talk.politics.europe.balkan talk.politics.africa talk.politics.asia talk.politics.asia.east talk.politics.asia.south India,Pakistan,Nepal,Afganistan,Sri Lanka, Mal(e,a?)dives,Bangladesh talk.politics.australia talk.politics.antarctica Groups for topics: talk.politics.elections talk.politics.sex Sexuality laws, censorship on sexuality, etc. talk.politics.civil-liberty As in alt.society.civil-liberty talk.politics.organizations Misc. discussion on political or military organizations: NATO, GATT, European Council talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology talk.politics.america.usa.constitutional (for discussion on means, problems etc. of returning the authority and application of the U.S. constitution) talk.politics.economics (political economics: taxes, government spending, etc.) talk.politics.media Political reporting in media, media as political tools, political propaganda. talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet and connections of Usenet and the rest of the world (what groups to carry on what basis, etc.) talk.politics.constitution Constitutions as basis for societies Discussion of all constitutions and their problems, strengths, weaknesses, foes, or friends. talk.politics.science Politics in science. talk.politics.health Health care, politics in medicine, other health issues. talk.politics.ethics Ethics in politics. Changes from the first RFD: - dropping of t.p.china, which is already on vote - geographical grouping of country names for more hierarcy (talk.politics.ec -> talk.politics.europe.ec, etc.) - addition of talk.politics.usenet, talk.politics.constitution, talk.politics.science, talk.politics.health, t.p.ethics, t.p.{asia,antarctica,australia,africa,asia{,.east,south}}, - dropping of talk.politics.usa.foreign - civil-lib -> civil-liberty The discussion has showed that there is interest for the groups and suggested some new ones - there were also some opinions saying that talk.politics.europe.ec would not be needed. Talk.politics.demopublican and t.p.foreign (international) have been suggested, but I feel t.p.usa and t.p.misc cover those. Talk.politics.vietnamese was suggested by one - where does it go in the geographical division above? Another suggestion was to use a .misc group instead of the continent (or other) top-level group - opinions on this are welcome. //Jyrki From jkp@cs.HUT.FI Sun Jul 26 21:30:03 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2561 news.groups:54661 talk.politics.misc:129951 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,talk.politics.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) Subject: CFV: talk.politics new groups Message-ID: <1992Jul24.035201.2370@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland. Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:52:01 GMT Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 360 CALL FOR VOTES: talk.politics new groups VOTING: To place a vote either for or against the creation of any or each of the new talk.politics newsgroups, send the ballot below completed with Y/N/A for Yes, No and Abstain respectively to address talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi. An email reply to this message will go to the right address. If there is no line with the respective group, it will be interpreted as an "abstain" vote. DO NOT post votes to a newsgroup. Votes will be acknowledged on these newsgroups. All votes must be received by Aug 22, 1992. As per the rules, if there are more than 100 yes votes than no votes by that date AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are yes votes, the newsgroup will be created. This CFV follow the RFD on new talk.politics groups - many new groups were added to it along the way. THE BALLOT: ------ cut here ---- A talk.politics.usa.misc Misc. USA politics. A talk.politics.usa.constitution U.S. Constitutional politics A talk.politics.canada Politics of and in Canada A talk.politics.asia.japan Politics of and in Japan A talk.politics.asia.taiwan Politics of and in Taiwan A talk.politics.europe.britain Politics of and in Great Britain A talk.politics.org.ec European Community politics A talk.politics.org.un Politics of United Nations A talk.politics.org.spook "Spook" organizations around the world A talk.politics.org.misc Political organizations A talk.politics.europe.misc Misc. discussion on European politics A talk.politics.europe.nordic Politics of Norden A talk.politics.europe.baltic Politics of Baltic countries A talk.politics.europe.east East European politics A talk.politics.europe.balkan Balkanese politics A talk.politics.latin-america Latin American politics A talk.politics.north-america Politics of Northern America A talk.politics.americas Geopolitics on the American continents A talk.politics.africa.misc Politics in Africa A talk.politics.asia.misc Politics in Asia A talk.politics.asia.southwest Politics in South-West Asia A talk.politics.asia.southeast Politics in South-East Asia A talk.politics.asia.south Politics in South Asia A talk.politics.australasia Politics in Australasia A talk.politics.antarctica Politics of the Antarctic A talk.politics.elections Elections discussions and reports A talk.politics.sex "Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour A talk.politics.equality Equality and discrimination A talk.politics.civil-liberty Civil liberties A talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology A talk.politics.constitution A constitution as a basis for a society A talk.politics.economics Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets A talk.politics.media Media and politics A talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet A talk.politics.science Politics in science. A talk.politics.health Health care, politics in medicine, etc. A talk.politics.ethics Ethics in politics. A talk.politics.work Workplace and employment politics A talk.politics.reform Political reform ------ cut here ---- DESCRIPTION OF GROUPS: This is a vote for new groups to the talk.politics hierarchy to be created to ease the load on talk.politics.misc and make political discussions on geographical areas outside USA possible, and also make focused on-topic discussions possible without having to read through big volumes of disucssions not relevant to the topic you are interested in. All groups are to be unmoderated. The basis on division of the field of politics on Usenet and altnet currently is to divide it based on geography (groups discussing geographical areas, as in talk.politics.mideast), issues (as in talk.politics.drugs, talk.politics.guns) or according to countries (alt.politics.british). This division is proposed to be maintained and also to add a new class, groups for politics of organizations (talk.politics.org.un, talk.politics.org.spook etc.). Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and news.announce.newgroups for the rules that will be followed in creating a newsgroup (). The new groups (a total of 40) proposed grouped by this division with charters for all except the geographical groups follow. Groups for countries (6): ========== talk.politics.usa.misc Misc. USA politics. A group for discussions on politics specific to USA - federal domestic issues, foreign politics, politics in areas / states, general development and political atmosphere. talk.politics.usa.constitution U.S. Constitutional politics Discussion on the role of the U.S. Constitution as a major document shaping the happenings in the country. Theoretical discussions on that role as well as practical reports on the role and interpretations belong into the group, as well as methods of supporting USA as a country based on the principles of the constitution. talk.politics.canada Politics of and in Canada A group to discuss Canadian politics. talk.politics.asia.japan Politics of and in Japan A group to discuss Japanese politics. talk.politics.asia.taiwan Politics of and in Taiwan A group to discuss Taiwanese politics. talk.politics.europe.britain Politics of and in Great Britain A group to discuss British politics. ========== Groups for politics of organizations (4): talk.politics.org.ec European Community politics Discussions on the European Community and the politics of possible European integration into an European Union. talk.politics.org.un Politics of United Nations What is the role of United Nations in world politics? Who holds the power on various organs of UN? Does UN have any real influence? talk.politics.org.spook "Spook" organizations around the world The topic of the group is various organizations around the world engaging in paramilitary action, intelligence, spying, covert operations, ie. the "dark side" of governmental action or action supported by governments but secret to nearly all citizens. What kind of political power do these organizations hold? How do they use it? Are they a threat to governments by the people or a threat to freedom and democracy? Are they "a necessary evil" in an unperfect world? talk.politics.org.misc Political organizations Generic group for discussions on political organizations of economic, military or other kind - examples include NATO, GATT, European Council, OECD etc. ========== Groups for geographical areas (16): talk.politics.europe.misc Misc. discussion on European politics A misc. group for discussion on European politics. Talk.politics.europe.* and talk.politics.org.ec cover many of the topics in European politics, so you might want to check there first. talk.politics.europe.nordic Politics of Norden The Nordic countries are Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland. This groups if for dicussing politics of that area. talk.politics.europe.baltic Politics of Baltic countries Politics in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. talk.politics.europe.east East European politics Politics in Eastern Europe. There are many definitions for Eastern Europe, but probable areas of discussion are the former Soviet Union areas (but see also t.p.europe.baltic) and Warsaw pact countries (but see also t.p.europe.balkan). talk.politics.europe.balkan Balkanese politics A group to discuss politics within and between the Balkan states themselves. For purposes of the this group, The Balkans shall be taken to mean Albania, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia. Also includes would be international, but not domestic politics of the bordering states, Austria, Hungary, Italy, Rumania, and Turkey, as they have a direct impact upon the balkan states. talk.politics.latin-america Latin American politics A group to discuss politics of the Latin American countries and the geographic area. talk.politics.north-america Politics of Northern America Politics of the geographical area of Nothern America, cooperation and relations of USA, Canada and Mexico. talk.politics.americas Geopolitics on the American continents Misc. discussions on the politics on American continents, ie. North and South America combined. talk.politics.africa.misc Politics in Africa Politics of the African continent. talk.politics.asia.misc Misc. Asian politics. talk.politics.asia.southwest Politics in South-West Asia Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia etc. For politics involving Turkey with Greece and Bulgaria see t.p.europe.balkan talk.politics.asia.southeast Politics in South-East Asia Vietnam et al. talk.politics.asia.south Politics in South Asia India,Pakistan,Nepal,Afganistan,Sri Lanka, Maledives,Bangladesh talk.politics.australasia Politics in Australasia Australia, New Zealand, and Polynesia. talk.politics.antarctica Politics of the Antarctic ========== Groups for topics (14): talk.politics.elections Elections discussions and reports Discussions on elections around the world - ongoing, future and past. For topic on periods with several elections going on, it is recommended to put a keyword in the Subject field describing what election is being talked about. talk.politics.sex "Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour Sexuality laws (blue laws, criminalizing sex acts,"indecent" behaviour etc.), censorship on sexuality ("obscenity" laws), etc. Generic discrimination or equality quostions based on gender or sexual preference don't belong here but rather in talk.politics.equality. talk.politics.equality Equality and discrimination Equality and discrimination with regards to skin color, gender, nationality, sexual preference, ethnicity, language, etc. talk.politics.civil-liberty Civil liberties The relation of governments and citizens, the rights of members of organizations. The U.S. Bill of Rights gives one picture of the possible topics, but the topic are of the groups is broader that that. talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology The libertarian ideology aims for limited government and individual and economic freedom. With more than 80 libertarian organizations there is a growing interest in the ideology around the world. The existence of this group is not a reason to try to silence certain political views on other groups - topics which are otherwise appropriate in other groups remain appropriate there. talk.politics.constitution A constitution as a basis for a society What should there be in a constitution? How do various constitutions work in practice? Does a constitution need to be written? What should be the aims of constitutions? How various constitutions around the world have lasted the challenges of time? talk.politics.economics Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets Economical politics - what governments should invest in, what should be taxed and what subsidized, how do economics shape politics. talk.politics.media Media and politics Political reporting in media, media as political tools, political propaganda. talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet Politics of Usenet and the rest of the world (what groups to carry on what basis, how does Usenet influence organizational politics etc.) Also a suitable subject for discussion is the "domestic politics" of Usenet, ie. how to govern creation of new groups, how to solve problems in Usenet etc. but these are perhaps more suitable to be discussed in the news.* groups. talk.politics.science Politics in science. How is science money allocated? How do carrier possibilities form? Should science be funded privately or by governments? talk.politics.health Health care, politics in medicine, etc. Should health care be governmental or private? Are the medicine markets and national acceptance bodies controlled by the drug companies? How do intellectual property and other laws shape health issues? talk.politics.ethics Ethics in politics. What is ethical in politics? Do politicians need to tell the truth? Are smear capaigns ethical? talk.politics.work Workplace and employment politics A group for discussions on the power relations coming up in workplaces, employment politics, worker organization politics, worker movements, government policies affecting employment, worker requirements / rights. talk.politics.reform Political reform Discussions on how to achieve political reforms, what tools to use, when reforms are desirable as well as political reforms currently going on around the world (like in the x-USSR). ========== //Jyrki From jkp@cs.hut.fi Tue Aug 4 16:11:06 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2591 news.groups:54978 talk.politics.misc:131615 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,talk.politics.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jkp@cs.hut.fi (Jyrki Kuoppala) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: talk.politics new groups Message-ID: <1992Aug4.183850.19471@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1992 18:38:50 GMT Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 482 CALL FOR VOTES: talk.politics new groups VOTING: To place a vote either for or against the creation of any or each of the new talk.politics newsgroups, send the ballot below completed with Y/N/A for Yes, No and Abstain respectively to address talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi. An email reply to this message will go to the right address. If there is no line with the respective group, it will be interpreted as an "abstain" vote. DO NOT post votes to a newsgroup. Votes will be acknowledged on these newsgroups. All votes must be received by Aug 22, 1992. As per the rules, if there are more than 100 yes votes than no votes by that date AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are yes votes, the newsgroup will be created. This CFV follow the RFD on new talk.politics groups - many new groups were added to it along the way. THE BALLOT: ------ cut here ---- A talk.politics.usa.misc Misc. USA politics. A talk.politics.usa.constitution U.S. Constitutional politics A talk.politics.canada Politics of and in Canada A talk.politics.asia.japan Politics of and in Japan A talk.politics.asia.taiwan Politics of and in Taiwan A talk.politics.europe.britain Politics of and in Great Britain A talk.politics.org.ec European Community politics A talk.politics.org.un Politics of United Nations A talk.politics.org.spook "Spook" organizations around the world A talk.politics.org.misc Political organizations A talk.politics.europe.misc Misc. discussion on European politics A talk.politics.europe.nordic Politics of Norden A talk.politics.europe.baltic Politics of Baltic countries A talk.politics.europe.east East European politics A talk.politics.europe.balkan Balkanese politics A talk.politics.latin-america Latin American politics A talk.politics.north-america Politics of Northern America A talk.politics.americas Geopolitics on the American continents A talk.politics.africa.misc Politics in Africa A talk.politics.asia.misc Politics in Asia A talk.politics.asia.southwest Politics in South-West Asia A talk.politics.asia.southeast Politics in South-East Asia A talk.politics.asia.south Politics in South Asia A talk.politics.australasia Politics in Australasia A talk.politics.antarctica Politics of the Antarctic A talk.politics.elections Elections discussions and reports A talk.politics.sex "Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour A talk.politics.equality Equality and discrimination A talk.politics.civil-liberty Civil liberties A talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology A talk.politics.constitution A constitution as a basis for a society A talk.politics.economics Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets A talk.politics.media Media and politics A talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet A talk.politics.science Politics in science. A talk.politics.health Health care, politics in medicine, etc. A talk.politics.ethics Ethics in politics. A talk.politics.work Workplace and employment politics A talk.politics.reform Political reform ------ cut here ---- DESCRIPTION OF GROUPS: This is a vote for new groups to the talk.politics hierarchy to be created to ease the load on talk.politics.misc and make political discussions on geographical areas outside USA possible, and also make focused on-topic discussions possible without having to read through big volumes of disucssions not relevant to the topic you are interested in. All groups are to be unmoderated. The basis on division of the field of politics on Usenet and altnet currently is to divide it based on geography (groups discussing geographical areas, as in talk.politics.mideast), issues (as in talk.politics.drugs, talk.politics.guns) or according to countries (alt.politics.british). This division is proposed to be maintained and also to add a new class, groups for politics of organizations (talk.politics.org.un, talk.politics.org.spook etc.). Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and news.announce.newgroups for the rules that will be followed in creating a newsgroup (). The new groups (a total of 40) proposed grouped by this division with charters for all except the geographical groups follow. Groups for countries (6): ========== talk.politics.usa.misc Misc. USA politics. A group for discussions on politics specific to USA - federal domestic issues, foreign politics, politics in areas / states, general development and political atmosphere. talk.politics.usa.constitution U.S. Constitutional politics Discussion on the role of the U.S. Constitution as a major document shaping the happenings in the country. Theoretical discussions on that role as well as practical reports on the role and interpretations belong into the group, as well as methods of supporting USA as a country based on the principles of the constitution. talk.politics.canada Politics of and in Canada A group to discuss Canadian politics. talk.politics.asia.japan Politics of and in Japan A group to discuss Japanese politics. talk.politics.asia.taiwan Politics of and in Taiwan A group to discuss Taiwanese politics. talk.politics.europe.britain Politics of and in Great Britain A group to discuss British politics. ========== Groups for politics of organizations (4): talk.politics.org.ec European Community politics Discussions on the European Community and the politics of possible European integration into an European Union. talk.politics.org.un Politics of United Nations What is the role of United Nations in world politics? Who holds the power on various organs of UN? Does UN have any real influence? talk.politics.org.spook "Spook" organizations around the world The topic of the group is various organizations around the world engaging in paramilitary action, intelligence, spying, covert operations, ie. the "dark side" of governmental action or action supported by governments but secret to nearly all citizens. What kind of political power do these organizations hold? How do they use it? Are they a threat to governments by the people or a threat to freedom and democracy? Are they "a necessary evil" in an unperfect world? talk.politics.org.misc Political organizations Generic group for discussions on political organizations of economic, military or other kind - examples include NATO, GATT, European Council, OECD etc. ========== Groups for geographical areas (16): talk.politics.europe.misc Misc. discussion on European politics A misc. group for discussion on European politics. Talk.politics.europe.* and talk.politics.org.ec cover many of the topics in European politics, so you might want to check there first. talk.politics.europe.nordic Politics of Norden The Nordic countries are Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland. This groups if for dicussing politics of that area. talk.politics.europe.baltic Politics of Baltic countries Politics in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. talk.politics.europe.east East European politics Politics in Eastern Europe. There are many definitions for Eastern Europe, but probable areas of discussion are the former Soviet Union areas (but see also t.p.europe.baltic) and Warsaw pact countries (but see also t.p.europe.balkan). talk.politics.europe.balkan Balkanese politics A group to discuss politics within and between the Balkan states themselves. For purposes of the this group, The Balkans shall be taken to mean Albania, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia. Also includes would be international, but not domestic politics of the bordering states, Austria, Hungary, Italy, Rumania, and Turkey, as they have a direct impact upon the balkan states. talk.politics.latin-america Latin American politics A group to discuss politics of the Latin American countries and the geographic area. talk.politics.north-america Politics of Northern America Politics of the geographical area of Nothern America, cooperation and relations of USA, Canada and Mexico. talk.politics.americas Geopolitics on the American continents Misc. discussions on the politics on American continents, ie. North and South America combined. talk.politics.africa.misc Politics in Africa Politics of the African continent. talk.politics.asia.misc Misc. Asian politics. talk.politics.asia.southwest Politics in South-West Asia Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia etc. For politics involving Turkey with Greece and Bulgaria see t.p.europe.balkan talk.politics.asia.southeast Politics in South-East Asia Vietnam et al. talk.politics.asia.south Politics in South Asia India,Pakistan,Nepal,Afganistan,Sri Lanka, Maledives,Bangladesh talk.politics.australasia Politics in Australasia Australia, New Zealand, and Polynesia. talk.politics.antarctica Politics of the Antarctic ========== Groups for topics (14): talk.politics.elections Elections discussions and reports Discussions on elections around the world - ongoing, future and past. For topic on periods with several elections going on, it is recommended to put a keyword in the Subject field describing what election is being talked about. talk.politics.sex "Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour Sexuality laws (blue laws, criminalizing sex acts,"indecent" behaviour etc.), censorship on sexuality ("obscenity" laws), etc. Generic discrimination or equality quostions based on gender or sexual preference don't belong here but rather in talk.politics.equality. talk.politics.equality Equality and discrimination Equality and discrimination with regards to skin color, gender, nationality, sexual preference, ethnicity, language, etc. talk.politics.civil-liberty Civil liberties The relation of governments and citizens, the rights of members of organizations. The U.S. Bill of Rights gives one picture of the possible topics, but the topic are of the groups is broader that that. talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology The libertarian ideology aims for limited government and individual and economic freedom. With more than 80 libertarian organizations there is a growing interest in the ideology around the world. The existence of this group is not a reason to try to silence certain political views on other groups - topics which are otherwise appropriate in other groups remain appropriate there. talk.politics.constitution A constitution as a basis for a society What should there be in a constitution? How do various constitutions work in practice? Does a constitution need to be written? What should be the aims of constitutions? How various constitutions around the world have lasted the challenges of time? talk.politics.economics Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets Economical politics - what governments should invest in, what should be taxed and what subsidized, how do economics shape politics. talk.politics.media Media and politics Political reporting in media, media as political tools, political propaganda. talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet Politics of Usenet and the rest of the world (what groups to carry on what basis, how does Usenet influence organizational politics etc.) Also a suitable subject for discussion is the "domestic politics" of Usenet, ie. how to govern creation of new groups, how to solve problems in Usenet etc. but these are perhaps more suitable to be discussed in the news.* groups. talk.politics.science Politics in science. How is science money allocated? How do carrier possibilities form? Should science be funded privately or by governments? talk.politics.health Health care, politics in medicine, etc. Should health care be governmental or private? Are the medicine markets and national acceptance bodies controlled by the drug companies? How do intellectual property and other laws shape health issues? talk.politics.ethics Ethics in politics. What is ethical in politics? Do politicians need to tell the truth? Are smear capaigns ethical? talk.politics.work Workplace and employment politics A group for discussions on the power relations coming up in workplaces, employment politics, worker organization politics, worker movements, government policies affecting employment, worker requirements / rights. talk.politics.reform Political reform Discussions on how to achieve political reforms, what tools to use, when reforms are desirable as well as political reforms currently going on around the world (like in the x-USSR). ========== Valid votes from the following addresses have been received before GMT 0.00, 1 August 1992: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) HALLAM@ZWS015.desy.de ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) Ernest Cline rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Richard Kulawiec) Paul.Tvete@ii.uib.no dwiseman@erim.org (Dave Wiseman) Steve Jacquot Michael R Linksvayer plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) al@stanley.cis.brown.edu (Andre Lehovich) rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) maus@fid.Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) Joel B Levin jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles) laura@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki) dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks) mfriley@wpi.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) dadams@cherry.cray.com (David Adams) Tim Rigg barle@physics.rutgers.edu (Stanko Barle) sridhar@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman) msb@sq.com (Mark Brader) mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance) rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) hossain@cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem) bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) "Robert W. Spiker" Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) Bengt Larsson juana@physics.rutgers.edu jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) gritton@colorado.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) alegre@acf9.NYU.EDU (Fernando Alegre) Alan Coopersmith Matthias Urlichs 9008474@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA solman@Athena.MIT.EDU a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com Bjorn Knutsson Bob Bickford wombat@abo.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) ZMIKSIC@T1ACC1.intel.com Art Nicolaysen jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Rob McMahon "Sam Hill Cabal, DS" Sven Heinicke heiko@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting) wdstarr@Athena.MIT.EDU (William December Starr) Brendan Kehoe dgross@nike.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) Harpal Chohan Christopher Davis emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca mhpower@stan.mit.edu sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel) ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn) news@wolves.Durham.NC.US (The Wolfe of the Den) bagend!jan@gatech.edu (Jan Isley) Nick Leverton jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) Matt Hucke Matthias Neeracher Janne Kivel{ weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Mauri Haikola hagar@hagki.toppoint.de (Oliver Fink) tijc02!pjs269@uunet.UU.NET (Paul Schmidt) Marc Moorcroft blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger) hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) anand@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Anand Praturi) murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy) srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) slipa@eos.ncsu.edu frazer@idtinc.COM (Andrew Frazer) drg@bubba.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R Guilderson) Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM James Ault Toby Nixon loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller) garvin@SATAN.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU KETHEESWARAN/NANNITHAMBY/MR naren@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Naren Bala) jacobus@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) "Lawrence R. Gibes" amdcad!osc!jgk@uunet.UU.NET (Joe Keane) zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh) kwatson@netcom.com (Kennita Watson) B.J. 27-Jul-1992 1459 Ramana R. Juvvadi delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) adams@spss.com emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) swildner@channelz.GUN.de (Sascha Wildner) tdh@ksr.com (Dave Hudson) Greg Lindahl tots!tots.Logicon.COM!tep@UCSD.EDU Jim Horne Matthew Jude Brown Thomas Russo jduffin@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Joshua Duffin) par@teak.cray.com (Peter Rigsbee) "Jack Newsbaum" seggers@semyam.dinoco.de (Stefan Eggers) ruman@meroot.eng.uci.edu (ruman) pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz Stacey L Bergin (MTSD) porten@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey Porten) Stupendous Man Prabhu M. P. Krishna Raj sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) //Jyrki From jkp@cs.hut.fi Tue Aug 11 19:52:18 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2619 news.groups:55349 talk.politics.misc:133197 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,talk.politics.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jkp@cs.hut.fi (Jyrki Kuoppala) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: talk.politics new groups Message-ID: <1992Aug11.233131.20915@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland. Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 23:31:31 GMT Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 613 245 ballots have been counted so far, and vote counts for the individual groups are varying between 115 and 176. Thanks to anyone who has already voted, and keep the votes coming. CALL FOR VOTES: talk.politics new groups VOTING: To place a vote either for or against the creation of any or each of the new talk.politics newsgroups, send the ballot below completed with Y/N/A for Yes, No and Abstain respectively to address talk-politics-vote@niksula.hut.fi. An email reply to this message will go to the right address. If there is no line with the respective group, it will be interpreted as an "abstain" vote. DO NOT post votes to a newsgroup. Votes will be acknowledged on these newsgroups. All votes must be received by Aug 22, 1992. As per the rules, if there are more than 100 yes votes than no votes by that date AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are yes votes, the newsgroup will be created. This CFV follow the RFD on new talk.politics groups - many new groups were added to it along the way. THE BALLOT: ------ cut here ---- A talk.politics.usa.misc Misc. USA politics. A talk.politics.usa.constitution U.S. Constitutional politics A talk.politics.canada Politics of and in Canada A talk.politics.asia.japan Politics of and in Japan A talk.politics.asia.taiwan Politics of and in Taiwan A talk.politics.europe.britain Politics of and in Great Britain A talk.politics.org.ec European Community politics A talk.politics.org.un Politics of United Nations A talk.politics.org.spook "Spook" organizations around the world A talk.politics.org.misc Political organizations A talk.politics.europe.misc Misc. discussion on European politics A talk.politics.europe.nordic Politics of Norden A talk.politics.europe.baltic Politics of Baltic countries A talk.politics.europe.east East European politics A talk.politics.europe.balkan Balkanese politics A talk.politics.latin-america Latin American politics A talk.politics.north-america Politics of Northern America A talk.politics.americas Geopolitics on the American continents A talk.politics.africa.misc Politics in Africa A talk.politics.asia.misc Politics in Asia A talk.politics.asia.southwest Politics in South-West Asia A talk.politics.asia.southeast Politics in South-East Asia A talk.politics.asia.south Politics in South Asia A talk.politics.australasia Politics in Australasia A talk.politics.antarctica Politics of the Antarctic A talk.politics.elections Elections discussions and reports A talk.politics.sex "Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour A talk.politics.equality Equality and discrimination A talk.politics.civil-liberty Civil liberties A talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology A talk.politics.constitution A constitution as a basis for a society A talk.politics.economics Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets A talk.politics.media Media and politics A talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet A talk.politics.science Politics in science. A talk.politics.health Health care, politics in medicine, etc. A talk.politics.ethics Ethics in politics. A talk.politics.work Workplace and employment politics A talk.politics.reform Political reform ------ cut here ---- DESCRIPTION OF GROUPS: This is a vote for new groups to the talk.politics hierarchy to be created to ease the load on talk.politics.misc and make political discussions on geographical areas outside USA possible, and also make focused on-topic discussions possible without having to read through big volumes of disucssions not relevant to the topic you are interested in. All groups are to be unmoderated. The basis on division of the field of politics on Usenet and altnet currently is to divide it based on geography (groups discussing geographical areas, as in talk.politics.mideast), issues (as in talk.politics.drugs, talk.politics.guns) or according to countries (alt.politics.british). This division is proposed to be maintained and also to add a new class, groups for politics of organizations (talk.politics.org.un, talk.politics.org.spook etc.). Please see the pertinent postings in news.answers and news.announce.newgroups for the rules that will be followed in creating a newsgroup (). The new groups (a total of 40) proposed grouped by this division with charters for all except the geographical groups follow. Groups for countries (6): ========== talk.politics.usa.misc Misc. USA politics. A group for discussions on politics specific to USA - federal domestic issues, foreign politics, politics in areas / states, general development and political atmosphere. talk.politics.usa.constitution U.S. Constitutional politics Discussion on the role of the U.S. Constitution as a major document shaping the happenings in the country. Theoretical discussions on that role as well as practical reports on the role and interpretations belong into the group, as well as methods of supporting USA as a country based on the principles of the constitution. talk.politics.canada Politics of and in Canada A group to discuss Canadian politics. talk.politics.asia.japan Politics of and in Japan A group to discuss Japanese politics. talk.politics.asia.taiwan Politics of and in Taiwan A group to discuss Taiwanese politics. talk.politics.europe.britain Politics of and in Great Britain A group to discuss British politics. ========== Groups for politics of organizations (4): talk.politics.org.ec European Community politics Discussions on the European Community and the politics of possible European integration into an European Union. talk.politics.org.un Politics of United Nations What is the role of United Nations in world politics? Who holds the power on various organs of UN? Does UN have any real influence? talk.politics.org.spook "Spook" organizations around the world The topic of the group is various organizations around the world engaging in paramilitary action, intelligence, spying, covert operations, ie. the "dark side" of governmental action or action supported by governments but secret to nearly all citizens. What kind of political power do these organizations hold? How do they use it? Are they a threat to governments by the people or a threat to freedom and democracy? Are they "a necessary evil" in an unperfect world? talk.politics.org.misc Political organizations Generic group for discussions on political organizations of economic, military or other kind - examples include NATO, GATT, European Council, OECD etc. ========== Groups for geographical areas (16): talk.politics.europe.misc Misc. discussion on European politics A misc. group for discussion on European politics. Talk.politics.europe.* and talk.politics.org.ec cover many of the topics in European politics, so you might want to check there first. talk.politics.europe.nordic Politics of Norden The Nordic countries are Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland. This groups if for dicussing politics of that area. talk.politics.europe.baltic Politics of Baltic countries Politics in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. talk.politics.europe.east East European politics Politics in Eastern Europe. There are many definitions for Eastern Europe, but probable areas of discussion are the former Soviet Union areas (but see also t.p.europe.baltic) and Warsaw pact countries (but see also t.p.europe.balkan). talk.politics.europe.balkan Balkanese politics A group to discuss politics within and between the Balkan states themselves. For purposes of the this group, The Balkans shall be taken to mean Albania, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia. Also includes would be international, but not domestic politics of the bordering states, Austria, Hungary, Italy, Rumania, and Turkey, as they have a direct impact upon the balkan states. talk.politics.latin-america Latin American politics A group to discuss politics of the Latin American countries and the geographic area. talk.politics.north-america Politics of Northern America Politics of the geographical area of Nothern America, cooperation and relations of USA, Canada and Mexico. talk.politics.americas Geopolitics on the American continents Misc. discussions on the politics on American continents, ie. North and South America combined. talk.politics.africa.misc Politics in Africa Politics of the African continent. talk.politics.asia.misc Misc. Asian politics. talk.politics.asia.southwest Politics in South-West Asia Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia etc. For politics involving Turkey with Greece and Bulgaria see t.p.europe.balkan talk.politics.asia.southeast Politics in South-East Asia Vietnam et al. talk.politics.asia.south Politics in South Asia India,Pakistan,Nepal,Afganistan,Sri Lanka, Maledives,Bangladesh talk.politics.australasia Politics in Australasia Australia, New Zealand, and Polynesia. talk.politics.antarctica Politics of the Antarctic ========== Groups for topics (14): talk.politics.elections Elections discussions and reports Discussions on elections around the world - ongoing, future and past. For topic on periods with several elections going on, it is recommended to put a keyword in the Subject field describing what election is being talked about. talk.politics.sex "Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour Sexuality laws (blue laws, criminalizing sex acts,"indecent" behaviour etc.), censorship on sexuality ("obscenity" laws), etc. Generic discrimination or equality quostions based on gender or sexual preference don't belong here but rather in talk.politics.equality. talk.politics.equality Equality and discrimination Equality and discrimination with regards to skin color, gender, nationality, sexual preference, ethnicity, language, etc. talk.politics.civil-liberty Civil liberties The relation of governments and citizens, the rights of members of organizations. The U.S. Bill of Rights gives one picture of the possible topics, but the topic are of the groups is broader that that. talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology The libertarian ideology aims for limited government and individual and economic freedom. With more than 80 libertarian organizations there is a growing interest in the ideology around the world. The existence of this group is not a reason to try to silence certain political views on other groups - topics which are otherwise appropriate in other groups remain appropriate there. talk.politics.constitution A constitution as a basis for a society What should there be in a constitution? How do various constitutions work in practice? Does a constitution need to be written? What should be the aims of constitutions? How various constitutions around the world have lasted the challenges of time? talk.politics.economics Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets Economical politics - what governments should invest in, what should be taxed and what subsidized, how do economics shape politics. talk.politics.media Media and politics Political reporting in media, media as political tools, political propaganda. talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet Politics of Usenet and the rest of the world (what groups to carry on what basis, how does Usenet influence organizational politics etc.) Also a suitable subject for discussion is the "domestic politics" of Usenet, ie. how to govern creation of new groups, how to solve problems in Usenet etc. but these are perhaps more suitable to be discussed in the news.* groups. talk.politics.science Politics in science. How is science money allocated? How do carrier possibilities form? Should science be funded privately or by governments? talk.politics.health Health care, politics in medicine, etc. Should health care be governmental or private? Are the medicine markets and national acceptance bodies controlled by the drug companies? How do intellectual property and other laws shape health issues? talk.politics.ethics Ethics in politics. What is ethical in politics? Do politicians need to tell the truth? Are smear capaigns ethical? talk.politics.work Workplace and employment politics A group for discussions on the power relations coming up in workplaces, employment politics, worker organization politics, worker movements, government policies affecting employment, worker requirements / rights. talk.politics.reform Political reform Discussions on how to achieve political reforms, what tools to use, when reforms are desirable as well as political reforms currently going on around the world (like in the x-USSR). ========== Valid votes from the following addresses have been received before GMT 22:30.00, 11 August 1992: "Carl M. Kadie" "David J. Kernen" "Jack Newsbaum" "KAI-HSU WU" "Lawrence R. Gibes" "Lazar V. Mustur" <5MUSTUR_L@spcvxa.spc.edu> "Robert W. Spiker" "Sam Hill Cabal, DS" "Stan Kerr" "Stewart M. Clamen" "paige" 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU 88opensi!sartin@uunet.UU.NET (Rob Sartin) 9008474@SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA Alan Coopersmith Art Nicolaysen B.J. 27-Jul-1992 1459 Bengt Larsson Bill Riggs Bjorn Knutsson Bob Bickford Bob Leone Brendan Kehoe Brian Knotts Brian Lintz CHE Guest News Login Charlie Root Christopher Davis Craig Cockburn 07-Aug-1992 1239 D Anton Sherwood Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM Eduardo Santiago Eric Forste Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com Ernest Cline Evan Kirshenbaum Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU (Garrett Wollman) Greg Lindahl HALLAM@ZWS015.desy.de Hannu Visti Harpal Chohan Hsin Pan I-Chen.Wu@N2.SP.CS.CMU.EDU James Ault Janne Kivel{ Jean.Mooy@p6.f1.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Jean Mooy) Jeongterng Lin Jim Horne Joel B Levin Johannes Helander Jonathan Kruger Joseph Troxel KETHEESWARAN/NANNITHAMBY/MR Kaya Bekiroglu Ken Steiglitz Lee Li-Chung Chang M. P. Krishna Raj MKIELSKY@apsc.com (MICHAEL G KIELSKY) Marc Moorcroft Matt Hucke Matthew Jude Brown Matthias Neeracher Matthias Urlichs Mauri Haikola Michael R Linksvayer Mikko S M{kel{ NEON.SW@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Neon Software, Michael Swan,PRT) Nick Leverton Nick Sayer Paul.Tvete@ii.uib.no Prabhu Ramana R. Juvvadi Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) Rob McMahon Ryan Bayne Sean Maguire <055434@acadvm1.uottawa.ca> Shane Davis Stacey L Bergin (MTSD) Stephan Niemz Steve Jacquot Stupendous Man Sven Heinicke Thomas Gramstad Thomas Rush Thomas Russo Tim Rigg Toby Bradshaw Toby Nixon Tom Fitzgerald Tom Landrum VPRASAD@uoft02.utoledo.edu Wim Slootmans Yih-Jin Young ZMIKSIC@T1ACC1.intel.com a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com adams@spss.com ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben) al@stanley.cis.brown.edu (Andre Lehovich) alan@alan.b30.ingr.com (Alan F. Barksdale) alegre@acf9.NYU.EDU (Fernando Alegre) amdcad!osc!jgk@uunet.UU.NET (Joe Keane) anand@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Anand Praturi) andre@ssdt-bluestein.sps.mot.com (Andre Couvillion) atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil axolotl@socs.uts.EDU.AU bagend!jan@gatech.edu (Jan Isley) barle@physics.rutgers.edu (Stanko Barle) barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett) bcm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Brandon Charles Morrisey) bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) biciunr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger) blucas@ponder.csci.unt.edu (bryan william lucas) brooke@fuchsia.albuq.ingr.com (Brooke King) bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) cappello%cs@hub.ucsb.edu (Cappello) cavasin@muse.convex.com (Vince Cavasin) cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk cchen@tatung.csl.ncsu.edu (Chienhua Chen) cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) cep@blowfish.taligent.com (Christophe Pettus) chang@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.EDU (Li-Chung Chang) chchang@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Chun-Shi Chang) chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) chou@cs.washington.edu clary@meteo.fr (Olivier CLARY) comtec!tera!toby!jwallner@UCSD.EDU (JwallnerJohn Wallner) cooper@balltown.cma.com (Clark Cooper) ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel) dadams@cherry.cray.com (David Adams) damon@umbc3.umbc.edu (Mr. Damon Kelly) daniel@borland.com (Daniel Veditz) dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks) dgross@nike.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) drg@bubba.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R Guilderson) dwfraser@mailbox.syr.edu dwiseman@erim.org (Dave Wiseman) ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) edgar@spectrx.Saigon.COM (Edgar W. Swank) emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca frazer@idtinc.COM (Andrew Frazer) fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters) garvin@SATAN.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU gritton@colorado.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton) guey@ecn.purdue.edu (Jiann C Guey) guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim E. Guncer ) hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) hagar@hagki.toppoint.de (Oliver Fink) heiko@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting) heinau@chico.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) hossain@cs.wmich.edu (Moazzem) hsu%ibex@violin.att.com huangc@ohm.Berkeley.EDU (Chih-Tsung Huang) irwin@galton.uchicago.edu (Mark Irwin) ivanov@gr.osf.org jacobus@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells) jduffin@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Joshua Duffin) jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles) jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) jones@asel.udel.edu juana@physics.rutgers.edu jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) kak@fig.cray.com (Keith Krueger) ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn) ken@moncol.monmouth.edu krshna@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (kishore krshna) ktso@ws332c.ee.cuhk.hk (So Kwok Tsun) kuansan@umiacs.UMD.EDU (Kuansan Wang) kwatson@netcom.com (Kennita Watson) laura@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com lin@cs.purdue.edu loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller) lyc@cs.purdue.edu (Ling-Yu Chuang) maus@fid.Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) mcc@probe.att.com mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Chance) meggers@memyam.uucp (Markus Eggers) mephdsc@cad.gatech.edu (Shih-Chang Chuang) mfriley@wpi.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) mhpower@stan.mit.edu mitch@novavax.nova.edu (Mitch Silverman) morgoth@cs1.bradley.edu (Chuck Kocian) msb@sq.com (Mark Brader) murthy@ssd.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy) naren@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Naren Bala) nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) news@wolves.Durham.NC.US (The Wolfe of the Den) nimal@remus.rutgers.edu (Nihar Malaviya) owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu (Bill Owens) palinisa@mailhost.ee.pdx.edu pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz par@teak.cray.com (Peter Rigsbee) pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald) pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) porten@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey Porten) ppennane@cc.helsinki.fi (Petrus Pennanen) rdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Roger B. Dubbs III) rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. 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Conway) yazz@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bob Yazz) yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) yungming%jomby.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu (Steve Yu=) zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh) //Jyrki From jkp@cs.hut.fi Fri Aug 28 15:39:36 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2661 news.groups:55895 talk.politics.misc:136817 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,talk.politics.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jkp@cs.hut.fi (Jyrki Kuoppala) Subject: RESULT: talk.politics new groups all fail Message-ID: Followup-To: news.groups Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland. Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:10:10 GMT Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 690 The vote for the new talk.politics.* groups is over. ALL the votes on new groups FAILED because there was no 100 yes-vote margin over no-votes on any of the groups. According to the guidelines creation of the new groups should not again be brought up for discussion for creation on Usenet until at least six months have passed from the close of the vote. A total of 289 valid ballots were received and counted. The results on each of the groups ordered by the yes/no margin are: talk.politics.usa.misc Yes: 130, no: 57, total: 187, margin: 73 talk.politics.libertarian Yes: 134, no: 70, total: 204, margin: 64 talk.politics.civil-liberty Yes: 116, no: 53, total: 169, margin: 63 talk.politics.sex Yes: 108, no: 59, total: 167, margin: 49 talk.politics.elections Yes: 108, no: 60, total: 168, margin: 48 talk.politics.org.un Yes: 101, no: 53, total: 154, margin: 48 talk.politics.org.ec Yes: 101, no: 54, total: 155, margin: 47 talk.politics.europe.misc Yes: 100, no: 56, total: 156, margin: 44 talk.politics.usa.constitution Yes: 111, no: 69, total: 180, margin: 42 talk.politics.media Yes: 95, no: 60, total: 155, margin: 35 talk.politics.economics Yes: 98, no: 64, total: 162, margin: 34 talk.politics.africa.misc Yes: 87, no: 54, total: 141, margin: 33 talk.politics.asia.misc Yes: 89, no: 57, total: 146, margin: 32 talk.politics.science Yes: 92, no: 60, total: 152, margin: 32 talk.politics.org.misc Yes: 90, no: 63, total: 153, margin: 27 talk.politics.latin-america Yes: 88, no: 62, total: 150, margin: 26 talk.politics.equality Yes: 91, no: 65, total: 156, margin: 26 talk.politics.health Yes: 84, no: 59, total: 143, margin: 25 talk.politics.canada Yes: 85, no: 61, total: 146, margin: 24 talk.politics.usenet Yes: 89, no: 73, total: 162, margin: 16 talk.politics.ethics Yes: 81, no: 65, total: 146, margin: 16 talk.politics.asia.japan Yes: 81, no: 65, total: 146, margin: 16 talk.politics.australasia Yes: 80, no: 65, total: 145, margin: 15 talk.politics.europe.britain Yes: 81, no: 71, total: 152, margin: 10 talk.politics.constitution Yes: 85, no: 79, total: 164, margin: 6 talk.politics.work Yes: 74, no: 70, total: 144, margin: 4 talk.politics.reform Yes: 77, no: 74, total: 151, margin: 3 talk.politics.europe.east Yes: 76, no: 73, total: 149, margin: 3 talk.politics.europe.balkan Yes: 72, no: 71, total: 143, margin: 1 talk.politics.asia.taiwan Yes: 79, no: 79, total: 158, margin: 0 talk.politics.org.spook Yes: 74, no: 80, total: 154, margin: -6 talk.politics.asia.south Yes: 73, no: 80, total: 153, margin: -7 talk.politics.europe.baltic Yes: 65, no: 77, total: 142, margin:-12 talk.politics.asia.southeast Yes: 63, no: 77, total: 140, margin:-14 talk.politics.europe.nordic Yes: 62, no: 80, total: 142, margin:-18 talk.politics.north-america Yes: 67, no: 87, total: 154, margin:-20 talk.politics.asia.southwest Yes: 61, no: 83, total: 144, margin:-22 talk.politics.americas Yes: 67, no: 89, total: 156, margin:-22 talk.politics.antarctica Yes: 66, no: 90, total: 156, margin:-24 At the end of this message are attached the votes in Unix sort(1) order by the From: field with the From: address on one line and the returned ballot squeezed into one line in the order of the ballot below. Eg. Esko Aho YNAAAAAAAAANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA would mean that voter Esko Aho has voted Yes on t.p.usa.misc, No on t.p.usa.constitution, Abstain on t.p.canada, No on t.p.europe.nordic and Abstain on all the other groups. THE BALLOT: ------ cut here ---- A talk.politics.usa.misc Misc. USA politics. A talk.politics.usa.constitution U.S. Constitutional politics A talk.politics.canada Politics of and in Canada A talk.politics.asia.japan Politics of and in Japan A talk.politics.asia.taiwan Politics of and in Taiwan A talk.politics.europe.britain Politics of and in Great Britain A talk.politics.org.ec European Community politics A talk.politics.org.un Politics of United Nations A talk.politics.org.spook "Spook" organizations around the world A talk.politics.org.misc Political organizations A talk.politics.europe.misc Misc. discussion on European politics A talk.politics.europe.nordic Politics of Norden A talk.politics.europe.baltic Politics of Baltic countries A talk.politics.europe.east East European politics A talk.politics.europe.balkan Balkanese politics A talk.politics.latin-america Latin American politics A talk.politics.north-america Politics of Northern America A talk.politics.americas Geopolitics on the American continents A talk.politics.africa.misc Politics in Africa A talk.politics.asia.misc Politics in Asia A talk.politics.asia.southwest Politics in South-West Asia A talk.politics.asia.southeast Politics in South-East Asia A talk.politics.asia.south Politics in South Asia A talk.politics.australasia Politics in Australasia A talk.politics.antarctica Politics of the Antarctic A talk.politics.elections Elections discussions and reports A talk.politics.sex "Blue laws", decency laws, sexual behaviour A talk.politics.equality Equality and discrimination A talk.politics.civil-liberty Civil liberties A talk.politics.libertarian The libertarian ideology A talk.politics.constitution A constitution as a basis for a society A talk.politics.economics Political economics: taxes, gov. budgets A talk.politics.media Media and politics A talk.politics.usenet Politics of Usenet A talk.politics.science Politics in science. 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