From cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Sat Apr 4 03:16:48 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1866 news.groups:39754 sci.lang:11496 rec.org.sca:20844 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.lang,rec.org.sca Path: rpi!bounce-back From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar) Subject: RFD: sci.lang.classical Followup-To: news.groups Sender: tale@cs.rpi.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 03:49:58 GMT Approved: tale@rpi.edu Lines: 41 This is a Request For Discussion of a newsgroup for classical studies. NAME (proposed): sci.lang.classical STATUS (proposed): unmoderated CHARTER (proposed): For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art. COMMENTS: An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the humanities. It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects had their own groups. Up till now, discussion of classical studies has been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest). A preliminary discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for a group dedicated to classical studies. The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*. This has the side benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social sciences or humanities. Although the newsgroup would not be restricted to discussions of languages only, the name sci.lang.classical appears more clear than the alternative option, sci.classics. Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic, Biblical cultures, and so forth - will be welcome (I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to Aramaic). Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical studies, but we would rather not encourage them. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu & cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu From cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Sun Apr 19 21:33:12 1992 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.lang,rec.org.sca From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.classics Followup-To: poster Reply-To: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Organization: Vanderbilt U. Math Grad Student Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:21:48 GMT This is the second Call For Votes on a newsgroup for classical studies. At the end is a mass acknowlegdement of the votes that we have registered so far. If you have voted but are not listed, please vote again, following the instructions below, carefully. NAME: sci.classics STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art. VOTING: All votes must be e-mailed directly to: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu The voting period will run from March 27 to April 26. Votes posted to the net, or forwarded by a third party, WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED. Each vote should state explicitly, in the subject line or in the first line of the message, "I vote YES for sci.classics," or "I vote NO against sci.classics." Any comments, such as, "but I would prefer ..." or, "but I would vote differently if ..." can be included *after* a clear statement of which way you are voting. An overworked graduate student will eventually send you a confirmation of your vote. A Second CFV and list of votes received will be posted in about two weeks. COMMENTS: An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the humanities. It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects had their own groups. Up till now, discussion of classical studies has been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest). A preliminary discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for a group dedicated to classical studies. Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic, Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome (I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to Aramaic). Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical studies, but we would rather not encourage them. The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*. This has the side benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social sciences or humanities. From the perspective of classicists, it is worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not only the subjects currently called sciences. The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported proposals. The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology, and other aspects. It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an unfair invasion of their namespace. Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*. In order to get the CFV out in a reasonable time, I am letting this issue wait. If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the discussions in the group itself, once it is created. =========================================================================== MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ==================== As of April 5, we have registered votes from the following users (sorted by surname, to the extent that that could be determined.) If you have voted, but your name is not in this list, please vote again, following the instructions above, carefully. Cristy The Shaman Russell Ackerman Allan Adler Rich Alderson Benjamin Allen Dawn Amos William S. Annis Ian Bacon Sam Bassett Louis Bertrand James Roger Black Rahul Bonner Paul H. Borcher Mark Brader William A. Bralick Jr. Roger H. Brown Doug Brownell Justin Bur Hans Buurman Mark Joseph Bylander Jack Campin David Carlton Shih-tsun Alex Chou Richard Commander Michael A. Covington Stephanie da Silva James Dehnert Rick DeMattia John G. Dobnick Andrew Draskoy Cyberpixie Eleanor Evans Mark R. Farnsworth A. T. Fear Kevin Fitzpatrick Maurice Forrester Chris Galas Joy Haftel Roger L. Hale Uncle Klaus Boris Hemkemeier Robert S. Hill Kenton A. Hoover Scott Horne Dave Hudson Diana Hulsey Roland Hutchinson Randell Jesup Dave Joyce Brian Kariger Brendan Kehoe Dave Kohr Edward Kovach "Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" Stuart L. Labovitz Andy Latto Suzanne McCaffrey Benjamin J. McCall Todd McComb Lola McCrary Roland F. McKenney Paul Maclauchlan Lars Henrik Mathiesen Steve Mitchell Malcolm Mladenovic William Moxley John A. Murdie Dave Murphy Nick Stavros Nicholas S. Nielsen Harald Nordgard-Hansen Barbara Nostrand Conor O'Neill Maryline G. Parca Toivo Pedaste George J. Perkins Chris Phillips Bently Preece Renegade Serious Moonlighter (Marc Raman?) Paul Reilly Sendhil Revuluri John Rickert Wolfgang Rohdewald Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n Prof. Hannah Rose'n David E. Sanders <00123646@YSUB.YSU.EDU> David Sansone Don Sawtelle Frank Schauerte Michael S. Schiffer Antti Simola Sally Smith Sven Spanne Karel Stokkermans Jeff Suzuki Otto Tennant Gary Thomas Cary Timar Lynda L. True David Turrell Daniel Veditz David Wald Jade Walker R. Wallace Bill Walther Christopher Ward Steve Willner A. Wilson Norman Yarvin Robert A. Zeh Wolfgang Zenker --------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu & cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu -- -- Cary Timar, Mathematics Department, Vanderbilt University From cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Sun Apr 19 22:03:47 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2234 news.groups:49179 sci.lang:15786 rec.org.sca:22722 Path: uunet!not-for-mail From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.lang,rec.org.sca Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.classics Followup-To: poster Date: 17 Apr 1992 17:08:20 -0400 Organization: Vanderbilt U. Math Grad Student Lines: 243 Sender: tale@batch.UU.NET (David C Lawrence) Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: Reply-To: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu This is the third Call For Votes on a newsgroup for classical studies. At the end is a mass acknowlegdement of the votes that we have registered so far. If you have voted but are not listed, please vote again, following the instructions below, carefully. NAME: sci.classics STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art. VOTING: All votes must be e-mailed directly to: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu The voting period will run from March 27 to April 26. Votes posted to the net, or forwarded by a third party, WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED. Each vote should state explicitly, in the subject line or in the first line of the message, "I vote YES for sci.classics," or "I vote NO against sci.classics." Any comments, such as, "but I would prefer ..." or, "but I would vote differently if ..." can be included *after* a clear statement of which way you are voting. An overworked graduate student will eventually send you a confirmation of your vote. A Second CFV and list of votes received will be posted in about two weeks. COMMENTS: An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the humanities. It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects had their own groups. Up till now, discussion of classical studies has been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest). A preliminary discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for a group dedicated to classical studies. Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic, Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome (I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to Aramaic). Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical studies, but we would rather not encourage them. The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*. This has the side benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social sciences or humanities. From the perspective of classicists, it is worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not only the subjects currently called sciences. The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported proposals. The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology, and other aspects. It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an unfair invasion of their namespace. Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*. In order to get the CFV out in a reasonable time, I am letting this issue wait. If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the discussions in the group itself, once it is created. =========================================================================== MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ==================== As of April 16, we have registered votes from the following users (sorted by surname, to the extent that that could be determined.) Cristy The Shaman Russell Ackerman Allan Adler Tom Albrecht Rich Alderson Benjamin Allen Dawn Amos William S. Annis Ian Bacon Sam Bassett Jane Bellemore Louis Bertrand James Roger Black Rahul Bonner Paul H. Borcher Mark Brader William A. Bralick Jr. Roger H. Brown Doug Brownell Rick Bueker Justin Bur Hans Buurman Mark Joseph Bylander Jack Campin David Carlton John Chew Shih-tsun Alex Chou Richard Commander Michael A. Covington Frits Daalmans Stephanie da Silva James Dehnert Rick DeMattia Kim DeVaughn John G. Dobnick Andrew Draskoy Cyberpixie Mark Eckenwiler Lowell Edmunds Eleanor Evans Mark R. Farnsworth A. T. Fear Fearnley Anne Kevin Fitzpatrick Maurice Forrester Chris Galas John Greer Jacques Guy Joy Haftel Roger L. Hale Michael Hand Ronda Hauben Uncle Klaus Wiljo Heinen Boris Hemkemeier Robert S. Hill Janne Himanka Kenton A. Hoover Scott Horne Dave Hudson Diana Hulsey Roland Hutchinson Randell Jesup David A. Johns Dave Joyce Yeshik Meir Kahana Brian Kariger Brendan Kehoe Richard Kellermann Dave Kohr Edward Kovach "Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" Stuart L. Labovitz Andy Latto Suzanne McCaffrey Benjamin J. McCall Todd McComb Lola McCrary Roland F. McKenney Paul Maclauchlan Lars Henrik Mathiesen Sara Maxwell Steve Mitchell Malcolm Mladenovic Marc Moorcroft Tony Mountifield William Moxley John A. Murdie Dave Murphy Nick Stavros Nicholas S. Nielsen Harald Nordgard-Hansen Barbara Nostrand James O'Donnell Douglas Olson Conor O'Neill Maryline G. Parca Dr Roger D. Parks Toivo Pedaste George J. Perkins Christopher Pettus Chris Phillips Roger Phillips Bently Preece Renegade Serious Moonlighter (Marc Reeve) George Matthew Regnery Paul Reilly Sendhil Revuluri John Rickert Carl Rigney Webb Roberts Wolfgang Rohdewald Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n Prof. Hannah Rose'n Chip Rosenthal David E. Sanders <00123646@YSUB.YSU.EDU> David Sansone Don Sawtelle David Schairer Frank Schauerte Michael S. Schiffer B. Schlesinger Mark Shields Antti Simola Alden Smith Sally Smith Sven Spanne Karel Stokkermans David W. Summers Jeff Suzuki Christian Taube Otto Tennant Gary Thomas Cary Timar Henry (H.W.) Troup Lynda L. True Cliff Tuel David Turrell Rob van Gerwen Daniel Veditz David Wald Jade Walker R. Wallace Bill Walther Christopher Ward Weber Andrew Werling Steve Willner A. Wilson Norman Yarvin Robert A. Zeh Wolfgang Zenker Joann Zimmerman John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu & cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu -- -- Cary Timar, Mathematics Department, Vanderbilt University From votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Tue Apr 28 12:12:49 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2279 news.groups:49947 sci.lang:16080 rec.org.sca:23187 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.lang,rec.org.sca Path: uunet!bounce-back From: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Netnews Ballot Box) Subject: RESULT: sci.classics passes 159: 34 Message-ID: <1992Apr28.154120.6105@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Organization: Mathematics, Vanderbilt University, Nashville Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1992 15:41:20 GMT Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 277 The results of the vote on a newsgroup for classical studies were: 159 votes in favour, 34 votes opposed. There will be a five day waiting period in which any errors should be brought to our attention. If, as seems likely, there are not enough errors to eliminate the 25 vote safety margin, the new group will be created in a few days. At the end is a list of the votes that we have registered. If your vote is listed incorrectly, if you see a vote that you believe to be invalid, or if you wish to indicate any irregularities in the voting, please reply immediately, or the new group creation will go ahead as planned. NAME: sci.classics STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art. COMMENTS: An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the humanities. It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects had their own groups. Up till now, discussion of classical studies has been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest). A preliminary discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for a group dedicated to classical studies. Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic, Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome (I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to Aramaic). Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical studies, but we would rather not encourage them. Several respondents commented on the explanation above. It is not meant to be in any way restrictive or definitive. It was intended primarily to give non-classicists some idea of what Classical Studies includes. We had other comments on the name. Some of the voters, on both sides, felt that a different name would be better. This can be debated more easily once the group is formed. The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*. This has the side benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social sciences or humanities. From the perspective of classicists, it is worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not only the subjects currently called sciences. The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported proposals. The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology, and other aspects. It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an unfair invasion of their namespace. Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*. In order to get the CFV out in a reasonable time, I let this issue wait. Others felt that the group belonged in the soc.* hierarchy (either assuming that Classical Studies is a Social Science (!) or that it is merely an excuse for socializing) or in misc.*. If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the discussions in the group itself, once it is created. =========================================================================== Votes were received from the following (in alphabetical order by surname, as far as that could be determined) YES: ---- ?? ?? Russell Ackerman Allan Adler Rich Alderson Andrea Aldridge Benjamin Allen Dawn Amos Norm Andrews William S. Annis Ian Bacon Lt. J.D. Baldwin Sam Bassett John Bauer Jane Bellemore Louis Bertrand James Roger Black John Blasik Rahul Bonner Paul H. Borcher William A. Bralick Jr. Doug Brownell Rick Bueker Justin Bur Hans Buurman Mark Joseph Bylander Jack Campin David Carlton John Chew Richard Commander Michael A. Covington John Cowan Frits Daalmans Stephanie da Silva James Dehnert Jonathan Delatizky Rick DeMattia Ivan A Derzhanski John G. Dobnick Andrew Draskoy Mark Eckenwiler Lowell Edmunds Eleanor Evans Benjamin Fan Mark R. Farnsworth A. T. Fear Fearnley Anne Alvaro Fernandes Kevin Fitzpatrick Maurice Forrester Andrew AJ Foxx Christina Freeman Chris Galas Patrick Garvin John Greer Jacques Guy Andrew Hackard Joy Haftel Roger L. Hale Dean Hallford Michael Hand Ronda Hauben "Uncle Klaus" Wiljo Heinen Boris Hemkemeier Robert S. Hill Janne Himanka Kenton A. Hoover Dave Hudson Diana Hulsey Roland Hutchinson Randell Jesup David A. Johns Frank Kaefer Brian Kariger Marion Kee Brendan Kehoe Richard Kellermann Dave Kohr Edward Kovach "Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" Stuart L. Labovitz Seth Leichter Suzanne McCaffrey Benjamin J. McCall Todd McComb Lola McCrary Roland F. McKenney Lars Henrik Mathiesen Sara Maxwell Margaret Mikulska Steve Mitchell Malcolm Mladenovic Tony Mountifield Erik Naggum Michael Nakamaye Nick Stavros Nicholas Harald Nordgard-Hansen Barbara Nostrand Deborah Nunn James O'Donnell Douglas Olson Magnus Olsson Paul Palmer Maryline G. Parca Dr Roger D. Parks Toivo Pedaste George J. Perkins Christopher Pettus Roger Phillips Bently Preece Marc Reeve George Matthew Regnery Paul Reilly Sendhil Revuluri John Rickert Wolfgang Rohdewald Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n Prof. Hannah Rose'n David E. Sanders <00123646@YSUB.YSU.EDU> David Sansone Don Sawtelle David Schairer Frank Schauerte Michael S. Schiffer B. Schlesinger Ulrik Serges Mark Shields Antti Simola Ralph Sims Dorai Sitaram Alden Smith Sally Smith Sven Spanne Karel Stokkermans Jeff Suzuki Christian Taube Otto Tennant Gary Thomas Cary Timar Henry (H.W.) Troup Lynda L. True Patricia O Tuama David Turrell Rob van Gerwen Daniel Veditz Patrick E Visel David Wald Jade Walker R. Wallace Bill Walther Skip Watson Weber Andrew Werling Alan R Williams A. Wilson Mikhail Zeleny Wolfgang Zenker Joann Zimmerman NO: --- ?? Cristy "The Shaman" Tom Albrecht Mark Brader Daniel Briggs Roger H. Brown Shih-tsun Alex Chou Kim DeVaughn "Cyberpixie" Tom Fitzgerald Scott Horne Dave Joyce Yeshik Meir Kahana Andy Latto Paul Maclauchlan Marc Moorcroft William Moxley John A. Murdie Dave Murphy S. Nielsen Conor O'Neill Chris Phillips "Renegade" Neil W Rickert Carl Rigney Webb Roberts Chip Rosenthal David W. Summers Cliff Tuel Christopher Ward Steve Willner Norman Yarvin Robert A. Zeh -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu & cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu