From rdd@cactus.org Wed Feb 16 14:49:39 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.aeronautics,sci.aeronautics,rec.aviation.simulators,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,sci.engr,sci.engr.control,comp.simulation,sci.military,sci.aeronautics.airliners Subject: RFD: sci.aeronautics.simulation Followup-To: news.groups Date: 16 Feb 1994 14:30:47 -0500 Organization: cactus.org Lines: 79 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net, military@law7.daytonoh.ncr.com, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4635 news.groups:95677 sci.aeronautics:6910 rec.aviation.simulators:4282 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim:11906 sci.engr:8167 sci.engr.control:1682 comp.simulation:711 sci.military:34652 sci.aeronautics.airliners:1148 This is a formal request for discussion for a proposed new newsgroup: sci.aeronautics.simulation The newsgroup is proposed in response to a number of factors: - The high degree of interest in simulation technology expressed in a variety of newsgroups, including: sci.aeronautics, sci.military, rec.aviation, rec.aviation.simulators, and comp.simulation. While most of this interest is casual, the occasional technical post appears, in desperate search of a home. This traffic is characterized by aerospace applications, rather than the more general, academic material on comp.simulation. - The high degree of technical interest in simulation technology, recently, on sci.aeronautics. Which led the moderator, Mary Shafer, to suggest an RFD. - The fact that with modern microcomputers, the implementation of very thorough, advanced flight models are both feasible and widely accessible. Flight simulation technology is no longer the exclusive province of government researchers or well-funded corporations. Simulation courses are now part of the curricula of many undergraduate aerospace programs. Desktop simulation is an emerging issue in aerospace, with a wide range of applications, from aircraft design and evaluation to aircrew training. - The need for a forum to coordinate the standardization of data formats. Currently, most data formats are highly proprietary, and quite diverse. Standards are under consideration, and such a forum could serve as a sounding-board for RFC's and the like. - Lastly, the very interesting potential for hybrid technology to develop, with the combination of motivated people with CS backgrounds on the net, combined with the knowledge and expertise of the many people from the aerospace sector. Besides the specific topic--flight simulation--the group is also of interest to those with EE and ME backgrounds, seeking realistic, complex applications to test control theories. Therefore, the simulation newsgroup is intended to address the issues per- taining to atmospheric and low-orbital flight simulation. In particular, the gamut of implementation issues, including algorithms, flight modeling, parameter estimation, data gathering, and construction. The group will explicitly NOT be concerned with issues relating to the validation of retail software, nor the myriad user debates on retail features. Two newsgroups, rec.aviation.simulators and comp.sys.mac.ibm.pc. flight-sim provide adequate environments for this type of discussion. Rec.aviation.simulators, moreover, provides a home for discussions relating to the applicability of desktop simulators to general aviation flight training. Rather, the group is intended for those who wish to create simulators, both research and commercial, and is intended to address the unique questions that such implementors face. Hence the name choice of *simulation*, rather than *simulators*: the technique, rather than examples. How would this differ from sci.aeronautics? In general, the issue is one of modeling: aeronautics is a broad discipline, primarily concerned with physical processes. Simulation is concerned with the modeling of that reality, using both actual flight-test data *and* estimated data. For the amateur or poorly connected practitioner, the acquisition of such data and the use of such data provide particularly stiff challenges. Especially inasmuch as such data acquisition is not only concerned with aerodynamics, but can also pertain to a considerable number of environmental factors--thus the problem can be more complex than "regular" aerodynamics, where nature provides a very high-fidelity physical environment. Since, however, there is potential for overlap, the group is proposed as moderated, with myself as moderator. The responsibility of the moderator would be to work with the moderators of sci.aero and sci.aero.airliners, and mainly keep things "on course," filtering out non-relevant messages and keep- ing the flames to a minimum. The discussion period will last for 30 days. At the end of this period, depending upon response, a formal charter will be framed and a call-for-votes issued. -- Robert Dorsett rdd@cactus.org ...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd From rdd@netcom.com Wed May 11 15:01:45 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdd@netcom.com (Robert Dorsett) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.aeronautics,sci.aeronautics,rec.aviation.simulators,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,sci.engr,sci.engr.control,comp.simulation,sci.military,sci.aeronautics.airliners Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.aeronautics.simulation moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 May 1994 19:57:10 -0400 Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 87 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net, military@law7.daytonoh.ncr.com, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM, rdd@netcom.com Message-ID: <2qmikm$4pt@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5067 news.groups:103137 sci.aeronautics:7143 rec.aviation.simulators:5128 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim:16509 sci.engr:9118 sci.engr.control:2107 comp.simulation:973 sci.military:37082 sci.aeronautics.airliners:1406 This is a repeat RFD for sci.aeronautics.simulation. The original RFD was issued in mid-February. User comments were uniformly positive. However, an unstable machine and a dirty phone line precluded my pursuing the vote: those problems have been rectified. The following is an exact repeat of the original RFD. With David Lawrence's approval, this RFD period will last ten days; it is mainly a "refresher." ------------------------------ The newsgroup is proposed in response to a number of factors: - The high degree of interest in simulation technology expressed in a variety of newsgroups, including: sci.aeronautics, sci.military, rec.aviation, rec.aviation.simulators, and comp.simulation. While most of this interest is casual, the occasional technical post appears, in desperate search of a home. This traffic is characterized by aerospace applications, rather than the more general, academic material on comp.simulation. - The high degree of technical interest in simulation technology, recently, on sci.aeronautics. Which led the moderator, Mary Shafer, to suggest an RFD. - The fact that with modern microcomputers, the implementation of very thorough, advanced flight models are both feasible and widely accessible. Flight simulation technology is no longer the exclusive province of government researchers or well-funded corporations. Simulation courses are now part of the curricula of many undergraduate aerospace programs. Desktop simulation is an emerging issue in aerospace, with a wide range of applications, from aircraft design and evaluation to aircrew training. - The need for a forum to coordinate the standardization of data formats. Currently, most data formats are highly proprietary, and quite diverse. Standards are under consideration, and such a forum could serve as a sounding-board for RFC's and the like. - Lastly, the very interesting potential for hybrid technology to develop, with the combination of motivated people with CS backgrounds on the net, combined with the knowledge and expertise of the many people from the aerospace sector. Besides the specific topic--flight simulation--the group is also of interest to those with EE and ME backgrounds, seeking realistic, complex applications to test control theories. Therefore, the simulation newsgroup is intended to address the issues per- taining to atmospheric and low-orbital flight simulation. In particular, the gamut of implementation issues, including algorithms, flight modeling, parameter estimation, data gathering, and construction. The group will explicitly NOT be concerned with issues relating to the validation of retail software, nor the myriad user debates on retail features. Two newsgroups, rec.aviation.simulators and comp.sys.ibm.pc. flight-sim provide adequate environments for this type of discussion. Rec.aviation.simulators, moreover, provides a home for discussions relating to the applicability of desktop simulators to general aviation flight training. Rather, the group is intended for those who wish to create simulators, both research and commercial, and is intended to address the unique questions that such implementors face. Hence the name choice of *simulation*, rather than *simulators*: the technique, rather than examples. How would this differ from sci.aeronautics? In general, the issue is one of modeling: aeronautics is a broad discipline, primarily concerned with physical processes. Simulation is concerned with the modeling of that reality, using both actual flight-test data *and* estimated data. For the amateur or poorly connected practitioner, the acquisition of such data and the use of such data provide particularly stiff challenges. Especially inasmuch as such data acquisition is not only concerned with aerodynamics, but can also pertain to a considerable number of environmental factors--thus the problem can be more complex than "regular" aerodynamics, where nature provides a very high-fidelity physical environment. Since, however, there is potential for overlap, the group is proposed as moderated, with myself as moderator. The responsibility of the moderator would be to work with the moderators of sci.aero and sci.aero.airliners, and mainly keep things "on course," filtering out non-relevant messages and keep- ing the flames to a minimum. The discussion period will last for 10 days. At the end of this period, depending upon response, a formal charter will be framed and a call-for-votes issued. -- Robert Dorsett rdd@netcom.com From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Thu Jun 9 18:05:55 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.aeronautics,rec.aviation.simulators,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,sci.engr,sci.engr.control,comp.simulation,sci.military,sci.aeronautics.airliners Subject: CFV: sci.aeronautics.simulation moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Jun 1994 17:16:09 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 92 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net, military@law7.daytonoh.ncr.com, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM, rdd@netcom.com Expires: 30 Jun 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5192 news.groups:105796 sci.aeronautics:7204 rec.aviation.simulators:5406 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim:18633 sci.engr:9429 sci.engr.control:2334 comp.simulation:1069 sci.military:37794 sci.aeronautics.airliners:1533 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group sci.aeronautics.simulation Newsgroups line: sci.aeronautics.simulation Aerospace simulation technology. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 Jun 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Robert Dorsett . CHARTER A moderated discussion group dealing with the implementation of flight and systems models on computers. This includes, but is not restricted to: - the definition of such models - acquisition and modeling of flight parameters - design and implementation of onboard systems models - design and implementation of powerplant models - standardization of commonly required data, such as flight parameter databases, navaid databases, etc. - design of cab-based implementations of flight simulators The newsgroup will be moderated by Robert Dorsett, rdd@netcom.com. The contact address will be aero-simulation@rascal.ics.utexas.edu, requests to aero-simulation-request@rascal.ics.utexas.edu. Notes ----- There is a close relationship between this group and sci.aeronautics: however, simulation requires more than simply implementing physical equations, and this group will strive to address the specific issues that implementors must face. The group is offered as moderated to keep it on track, and to try to avoid thread mutation into topics that might belong on other groups. It should also help stop commercial direct-marketers, who post to inappropriate groups, selling everything >from hand cream to visa applications. I will work in concert with the moderators of sci.aeronautics (Mary Shafer) and sci.aeronautics.airliners (Karl Swartz) to control the topical focus of relevant articles. What the group is not about --------------------------- - Generic simulation issues (handled by comp.simulation) - Validating games (rec.aviation.simulators, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim) - Using flight games History of the proposal ----------------------- The RFD was issued in early February, after the moderator of sci.aeronautics noted the high incidence of posts dealing with simulation issues. I had also noticed a number of highly technical queries appearing on rec.aviation.simulators, without any follow-ups. The RFD produced a large number of very positive responses from people active in all segments of the industry, ranging from the airframe manufacturers to the simulator manufacturers to aerospace departments to government researchers to game designers. Due to a pesky phone line, the vote was delayed; after the problems were fixed, a second RFD was issued in May, which similarly had a good response. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on sci.aeronautics.simulation I vote NO on sci.aeronautics.simulation You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Tue Jul 12 15:05:40 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.aeronautics,rec.aviation.simulators,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim,sci.engr,sci.engr.control,comp.simulation,sci.military,sci.aeronautics.airliners Subject: RESULT: sci.aeronautics.simulation moderated passes 193:11 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 11 Jul 1994 23:51:44 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 304 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net, military@law7.daytonoh.ncr.com, kls@ohare.Chicago.COM, rdd@netcom.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5338 news.groups:108174 sci.aeronautics:7276 rec.aviation.simulators:5757 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim:21243 sci.engr:9809 sci.engr.control:2524 comp.simulation:1149 sci.military:38780 sci.aeronautics.airliners:1661 RESULT moderated group sci.aeronautics.simulation passes 193:11 There were 193 YES votes and 11 NO votes, for a total of 204 valid votes. There were 2 abstains and 1 invalid ballot. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: sci.aeronautics.simulation Aerospace simulation technology. (Moderated) This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Robert Dorsett . CHARTER A moderated discussion group dealing with the implementation of flight and systems models on computers. This includes, but is not restricted to: - the definition of such models - acquisition and modeling of flight parameters - design and implementation of onboard systems models - design and implementation of powerplant models - standardization of commonly required data, such as flight parameter databases, navaid databases, etc. - design of cab-based implementations of flight simulators The newsgroup will be moderated by Robert Dorsett, rdd@netcom.com. The contact address will be aero-simulation@rascal.ics.utexas.edu, requests to aero-simulation-request@rascal.ics.utexas.edu. Notes ----- There is a close relationship between this group and sci.aeronautics: however, simulation requires more than simply implementing physical equations, and this group will strive to address the specific issues that implementors must face. The group is offered as moderated to keep it on track, and to try to avoid thread mutation into topics that might belong on other groups. It should also help stop commercial direct-marketers, who post to inappropriate groups, selling everything >from hand cream to visa applications. I will work in concert with the moderators of sci.aeronautics (Mary Shafer) and sci.aeronautics.airliners (Karl Swartz) to control the topical focus of relevant articles. What the group is not about --------------------------- - Generic simulation issues (handled by comp.simulation) - Validating games (rec.aviation.simulators, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim) - Using flight games History of the proposal ----------------------- The RFD was issued in early February, after the moderator of sci.aeronautics noted the high incidence of posts dealing with simulation issues. I had also noticed a number of highly technical queries appearing on rec.aviation.simulators, without any follow-ups. The RFD produced a large number of very positive responses from people active in all segments of the industry, ranging from the airframe manufacturers to the simulator manufacturers to aerospace departments to government researchers to game designers. Due to a pesky phone line, the vote was delayed; after the problems were fixed, a second RFD was issued in May, which similarly had a good response. sci.aeronautics.simulation Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 75050.2563@CompuServe.COM Francois Choquette A.Levy@ET.TUDelft.NL achamberlin@UCSD.EDU Alan B. Chamberlin achim@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu Bahadir Acuner adams@kona.wes.army.mil F. P. Adams, Jr. adp@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Allan Plumb al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx JESUS EUGENIO SANCHEZ PENA albert.markl@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de andyl@harlequin.com Andy Latto antersbe@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Stefan Antersberger asp@isp.pitt.edu Anandeep S Pannu ault@cs.albany.edu Jim Ault BBinder@symantec.com Beau Binder bdj@maths.uq.oz.au Barry Jones BDPeterson@aol.com berschic@clio.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de Peter Berschick bez4667@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com Bruce E. Zunser blair@mksol.dseg.ti.com arthur blair blake@nas.nasa.gov Matthew W. Blake boes@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Greg Boes borys@imat.maschinenbau.uni-kassel.de Bernd-Burkhard Borys bradh@cs.uq.oz.au browan@dhm.netcom.com Bryan_Kaplan@earthspirit.org Bryan Kaplan buenneke@rand.org Dick Buenneke bunce@L14H13.jsc.nasa.gov Thomas J Bunce BYoung@CC.ATINC.COM Carter@andromeda.rutgers.edu Robert A. Carter cdr8905@agape.ca.boeing.com Chuck Royalty cherkas@crl.com Brian Cherkas cjackson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu Chris 'No men..period\!' Jackson clivec@wormald.com.au Clive Cunningham craig_kelley@wiltel.com Craig Kelley crwanke@roland.mitre.org Craig Wanke cunning@polk.larc.nasa.gov Kevin Cunningham daa@CERF.NET David A. Avery dan@aero.ae.su.OZ.AU Dan Newman dans@intersys.com Dan Smith darnell@swdev.si.com daveg@misty.sara.fl.us Dave Goodman DavidKentW@aol.com dcatapan@world.nad.northrop.com David R. Catapang dev1!harryr@oh58d-pdssc.sim.ssd.fsi.com Harry Rockefeller dev1!keith@uunet.uu.net Keith Blanchette 515 MIS dev1!mikeb@uunet.uu.net Mike Bates dmorales@dcc.uchile.cl Daniel Morales L. domikuli@math.hr Dean Domikulic e.b.jackson@larc.nasa.gov Bruce Jackson ECAXRON@ARIEL.LERC.NASA.GOV Ron Graham Ed.Falk@Eng.Sun.COM Ed Falk ERICBRODSKY@psl.wisc.edu Ethan Brodsky ethompso@willamette.edu Eric Thompson eugene@nas.nasa.gov Eugene N. Miya fds6526@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com Fred D. Sturtevant feary@eos.arc.nasa.gov MichaelFeary feldmann@swdev.si.com finebud@engin.umich.edu matthew david fine finkel@math.tau.ac.il forrest@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Dave Forrest frament@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Michael Frament freitag@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Gilbert Freitag friedric@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Robin Friedrich fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P. Ryan funkk@ENGR.ORST.EDU Kenneth Funk G.J.Page@lut.ac.uk GJ Page g.robbins@cowan.edu.au Graham Robbins galanisg@systems.ssgnet.dsto.gov.au Galanis, George GaLlif!yadallee@ERsys.EDmonTON.Ab.cA Dave Shariff Yadallee gek2211@gkohr.larc.nasa.gov Glenn E. Kohr geno@nevada.edu EuGene epetai-Tramaglino gerstman@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Jerry Gerstmann glc@bigfoot.lerc.nasa.gov Gary Cole graniela@vsl.ist.ucf.edu Benito Graniela greg@hal.utias.utoronto.ca gt7638a@prism.gatech.edu guru@vsl.ist.ucf.edu Guru Prasad guy@coos.dartmouth.edu Guy Schiavone HARVEY@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU James Harvey haw30@eng.amdahl.com Henry A Worth herrmann@jojo.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Peter Herrmann hh@hhdo.ping.de Henning Holtschneider hiott@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Jim Hiott hitendra_desai@rainbow.mentorg.com Hitendra Desai Horst.Salzwedel@TheoInf.TU-Ilmenau.DE Horst Salzwedel hp@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu Hitesh Parikh hubert@hni.uni-paderborn.de Hubert Vroomen Ivan.Soleimanipour@Eng.Sun.COM Ivan Soleimanipour j.a.houck@LaRC.NASA.GOV Jacob A. Houck j.m.maddalon@larc.nasa.gov Jeffrey M Maddalon JALVAREZ@autom.etsiig.uniovi.es jbatman@SEI.CMU.EDU Joseph Batman jchrist@leland.Stanford.EDU Jock Robert Ian Christie jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk John C Sager jello@info.polymtl.ca Angelo Catovic jem@edsr.eds.com John E. Mendenhall jfortt@dorsai.dorsai.org Joseph Fortt JFRITZ@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU Jeffrey N. Fritz JMACA@jscdk.jsc.nasa.gov John Maca joel@ensica.fr Joel Bordeneuve john@iastate.edu John Hascall jrp@ibm35b.avl.co.at jtakats@gelac.lasc.lockheed.com Jim Takats jvileniu@hermes.hut.fi Jari Vilenius jyates@aix1.ucok.edu James Yates KANNANS@fs4.eng.man.ac.uk Suresh K. Kannan karim@kasa.oche.de Karim Samir Karsten.Martin@hrz.uni-giessen.de Karsten Martin kls@ohare.chicago.com Karl Swartz kreher@riker.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de Karsten Kreher (4D) kuechen@gelac.lasc.lockheed.com David Kuechenmeister kurt@km21.zfe.siemens.de Kurt "Marvin" Stadler L15D@ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE Martin Schroeder lachlan@dmp.csiro.au Lachlan Cranswick laurag@ritz.mordor.com Laura Gillespie legere@minerva.cis.yale.edu Ronald Legere louis@speech.iar.nrc.ca Louis Bolduc lutz@nesi.e-technik.th-darmstadt.de Lutz Jarbot maclure@eos.arc.nasa.gov IanMaclure MATTERN@ARIEL.LERC.NASA.GOV mbolende@uceng.uc.EDU Michael Bolender mcelroy@avd00.larc.nasa.gov Marcus O. McElroy mcmurtri@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Kenneth McMurtrie merrill@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Richard Merrill michael@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de Miika.Asunta@csc.fi Miika Asunta mikey@mcs.com Mike Young Mike_Bloom@UB.com Mike Bloom MKLAASS@envmsa.eas.asu.edu STEVEDORE mnahon@sirius.uvic.ca Meyer Nahon mrk@creare.com Mark R. Kennedy mscott@bu-pub.bu.edu n8348220@henson.cc.wwu.edu Brian Thomas neh3568@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com Nickolas E. Hein NeilKrey@aol.com neilm@linkmsd.com Neil Morris nelsonb@ornews.intel.com Nelson Bridwell nils@wildcat.dartmouth.edu Nils Nieuwejaar ornelf@rpi.edu overton@l14h13.jsc.nasa.gov William T. Overton p00164@psilink.com Perry Geib p01613@psilink.com phil reed padraig@slab.pr.erau.edu Padraig Houlahan PALMERDR@melb1.australia.msnet.bp.com Palmer,David,DR palmerm@CERF.NET L. Merrill Palmer panisset@cim.mcgill.ca Jean-Francois Panisset PAUL@TDR.COM Paul Robinson pdb1@Ra.MsState.Edu Philip D Bridges pekinpau@rose.rsoc.rockwell.com Pat Pekinpaugh pera@elkraft.unit.no pi@ruth.ece.jhu.edu Pablo A. Iglesias PLAUT@sc2a.unige.ch Olivier PLAUT plewa@sirius.astrouw.edu.pl Tomasz Plewa pm@csr.city.ac.uk Pete Mellor ppolson@psych.colorado.edu Peter Polson pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU Philip Ryan quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn r.m.smith@LaRC.NASA.GOV R. Marshall Smith rainey@netcom.com Riley Rainey rbd4798@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com R. Brian dos Santos rdd@netcom.com Robert Dorsett rfh3273@galileo.ca.boeing.com Dick Harrigill rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller robg@netcom.com Rob Griffiths rwittick@msu.edu Bob Wittick SAAST8@vms.cis.pitt.edu THE PRINCE saghir@eecg.toronto.edu Mazen Saghir sanders@MIT.EDU schorsch@ts.go.dlr.de H.G.Pagendarm sdb@kaos.hermosa.ca.us Steve Brown sdd@jmsparc.larc.nasa.gov Steve Derry sedrez@icad.puc-rio.br Paulo F. Sedrez SIMPKING@systems.ssgnet.dsto.gov.au Simpkin, Graeme sinan@isi.com Sinan Karahan singh@voyager.larc.nasa.gov singh daljeet skhadye@cbis.com Shankar Khadye skim@vsl.ist.ucf.edu Sung-Soo Kim slb512@serveru1.naic.wpafb.af.mil stuart butts/taai/75033 soto@texas.hous.inmet.com David Soto steveh@ctaeng.com Steve Hurt terry.yingling@graphicsbbs.com Terry Yingling thakulin@vipunen.hut.fi Timo Tapio Hakulinen tim.mcgaha@chrysalis.org tima@cfsmo.honeywell.com Timothy Aanerud tnetter@crs4.it Thomas Netter trey@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov Trey Arthur triebelh@rastro.Colorado.EDU Triebelhorn Jeffrey ville@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr Geoffroy VILLE w0x0f@netcom.com Stephen Fenwick watts@gypsy3.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com Robyn M. Watts werner@acsu.buffalo.edu Erik Werner werner@cs.utexas.edu Werner Uhrig wgreen@cc.hq.nasa.gov wgreen Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ apolzer@cs.ucsd.edu Andreas Polzer balak@s1.msi.umn.edu Ajit Balakrishna [ChemE mg15302] bson@ai.mit.edu Jan Brittenson crouchkp@flidh102.delcoelect.com gendrich@egr.msu.edu hansenr@ohsu.EDU jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson julian@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey L668483@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown stella@netcom.com STella Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ akilgour@Thinkage.On.CA Anita Kilgour mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jwstuart@ecst.csuchico.edu Jesse William Leo Stuart ! No vote statement in message