From quilt@otto.ycc.yale.edu Wed Jun 15 12:58:08 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: quilt@otto.ycc.yale.edu (Marie-Christine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sewing,rec.crafts.textiles,rec.crafts.quilting,rec.craft.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.org.sca Subject: RFD: rec.crafts.textiles groups, rec.crafts.marketplace Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Jun 1994 11:35:50 -0400 Organization: yale.edu Lines: 108 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <2tn74m$i5p@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5223 news.groups:106367 alt.sewing:13903 rec.crafts.textiles:10781 rec.crafts.quilting:2692 rec.arts.misc:2610 rec.org.sca:76569 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION REC.CRAFTS hierarchy expansion: unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.yarn unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.xstitch umoderated group rec.crafts.marketplace unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.sewing, replacing alt.sewing Newsgroups line: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn Production & use of yarn: dye, knit, weave, etc. rec.crafts.textiles.xstitch Cross-stich: counted embroidery on base fabric. rec.crafts.textiles.sewing Sewing: clothes, furnishings, costumes, etc. rec.crafts.marketplace Personal ads for crafts products of all kinds. CHARTERS NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of yarn production and use. This would cover selection and preparation of different fibers, their properties, and what to do next such as dye, card, spin, felt, knit, crochet, weave etc.... NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.xstitch STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: This group will be for discussions about cross-stitch, i.e. embroidery techniques worked by counting the threads of the base fabric or canvas. This would also include hardhanger, blackwork, whitework, and some types of rug-making. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.sewing STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of sewing, for clothes, home furnishings, outdoor equipment, costumes, etc. Technical aspects include pattern drafting and fitting, different fabrics, notions, useful books, workshops, inspiration, sewing machines, sergers and other hardware, etc. NAME: rec.crafts.marketplace STATUS: Unmoderated PURPOSE: This group will get all the ads for fiber, fabric, crafts supplies and so on that otherwise would clutter the other rec.crafts groups. BACKGROUND AND RATIONALE There is a 'knit' mailing list that has been in existence over a year, currently has 388 subscribers, and receives close to its maximum of 80 messages per day. This list also covers spinning and dyeing, fitfully, but weavers are left to clamor for attention on rec.crafts.textiles. The list is run on a machine administered by the founder's spouse, which is groaning under the overload. It makes sense to put into a single newsgroup all aspects of yarn production and use, since these things are often related and people who practice one often practice several of the others, sooner or later. The dyeing techniques for fleece for instance are usually different from the ones that'd be likely to be discussed on rec.crafts.quilting, both in dyes used and in effects aimed for, but they'd apply for both knitting and weaving. There is currently no group of any kind for cross-stitchers, so they are left with only rec.crafts.textiles, where fully 1/3 of the postings (about 200 messages/week total) are directly related to cross-stitch (and, it may be added, not also useful to other fields). Cross-stitching is a very popular and growing pastime, and there is no doubt that the current volume, enough to justify a newsgroup in itself, would increase if there was a group specific to it. The current group alt.sewing has been going strong for over 4 years, and still receives an average of 20-40 messages a day, even with its limited distribution. It was meant to be superceded by rec.crafts.textiles when that group was created, but rec.crafts.textiles instead took on a more general character, discussing all kinds of fiber techniques, There is still enough of a desire for a specific sewing forum, and postings, to justify a separate group. As many other Internet groups lately, the rec.crafts groups are being more and more consistently inundated with advertising, ranging from the semi- acceptable 'I'm cleaning out the garage and would anyone want 10 balls of yellow mohair' to blatant commercialism. The rec.crafts.marketplace group would be an attempt to contain this advertising to a single group and not inflict it on unwilling parties. REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) DISTRIBUTION This RFD will be sent to the following newgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.sewing rec.crafts.textiles rec.crafts.quilting rec.craft.misc rec.arts.misc rec.org.sca And to the following mailing lists: quiltnet@emuvm1.cc.emu.edu Main quilting discussion list notrad-l@yalevm.cis.yale.edu Non-traditional quilt list knit@geom.umn.edu Knitting list h-costume@lunch.asd.sgi.com Historical costume list f-costume@lunch.asd.sgi.com Fantasy costume list Followups will be directed to news.groups, as per USENET guidelines. Hopefully, any subsequent voting will be conducted by a neutral third party. -- Marie-Christine Mahe quilt@otto.cis.yale.edu From quilt@otto.ycc.yale.edu Wed Jun 29 13:30:47 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: quilt@otto.ycc.yale.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sewing,rec.crafts.textiles,rec.crafts.quilting,rec.crafts.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.org.sca Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.crafts.textiles reorganization, rec.crafts.marketplace Followup-To: news.groups Date: 29 Jun 1994 13:22:09 -0400 Organization: yale.edu Lines: 159 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <2usak1$e0t@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5297 news.groups:107445 alt.sewing:14162 rec.crafts.textiles:11169 rec.crafts.quilting:2793 rec.crafts.misc:4905 rec.arts.misc:2651 rec.org.sca:78415 2nd REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION REC.CRAFTS hierarchy expansion and reorganization: unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.yarn unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.needlework unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.sewing, replacing alt.sewing rename rec.crafts.quilting to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting rename rec.crafts.textiles to rec.crafts.textiles.misc unmoderated group rec.crafts.marketplace Newsgroups lines: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn Production and use of yarn: spin, dye, knit, weave etc rec.crafts.textiles.needlework Any form of decorative stitching done by hand rec.crafts.textiles.sewing Sewing: clothes, furnishings, outdoors, costumes etc rec.crafts.textiles.quilting All about quilts and other quilted items rec.crafts.textiles.misc All fiber and textile crafts not covered elsewhere rec.crafts.marketplace Small-scale ads for craft products of all kinds CHARTERS NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of yarn production and use not covered by other newsgroups. This would cover selection and preparation of different fibers, their properties, and what to do next such as dye, card, spin, felt, knit, crochet, nalbinding, weave, some kinds of rug hooking etc.... Discussions might cover color theory and other aspects of design, pattern drafting, fit, specific finishing techniques, supplies and equipment, historical aspects etc. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: This group will be for discussions about needlework, as defined by 'any form of decorative stitching done by hand'. Included will be all variations of stitchery: stamped embroidery, counted thread stitching, and needlepoint. Discussion might cover different kinds of canvases and fabric grounds, flosses, needles and other supplies, pattern design, marking, and finishing etc. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.sewing STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of sewing, not covered by other newsgroups, whether for for clothes, home furnishings, outdoor equipment, costumes, etc. Technical aspects include pattern drafting and fitting, different fabrics, notions, useful books, workshops and shows, inspiration, sewing machines, sergers and other hardware, etc. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting STATUS: Unmoderated PURPOSE: [unchanged] This newsgroup is for discussing anything related to quilting. That includes piecing, applique, and tyeing and quilting by hand or machine. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies, equipment, drafting of patterns, templates, dyeing materials, artistic approaches, exhibitions, shows, books and other references, mail order resources, dating quilts and appraising quilts. Discussions may include quilts and quilting both past (historical quilting) and present, ethnic quilting, quilts to be used in a home, quilted clothing to be worn, as well as quilts created for display and any other piecing or quilting applications. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.misc STATUS: Unmoderated PURPOSE: [list of appropriate crafts deleted, as this changes too much] This newsgroup is for discussing all fiber and textile related interests that are not covered by another rec.crafts.textiles group. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies and equipment, drafting of patterns, artistic approaches, exhibitions or shows, books or other references. Textiles includes both textiles to be worn or used in the home or textiles created for display. NAME: rec.crafts.marketplace STATUS: Unmoderated PURPOSE: This group will get all the ads for fiber, fabric, crafts supplies and so on that otherwise would clutter the other rec.crafts groups. This should preferably be restricted to individuals or very small companies who really can't afford other advertising. BACKGROUND AND RATIONALE There is a 'knit' mailing list that has been in existence over a year, currently has 425 subscribers, and receives close to its maximum of 80 messages per day. This list also covers spinning and dyeing, fitfully, but weavers are left to clamor for attention on rec.crafts.textiles. The list is run on a machine administered by the founder's spouse, which is groaning under the overload. It makes sense to put into a single newsgroup all aspects of yarn production and use, since these things are often related and people who practice one often practice several of the others, sooner or later. The dyeing techniques for fleece for instance are usually different from the ones that'd be likely to be discussed on rec.crafts.quilting, both in dyes used and in effects aimed for, but they'd apply for both knitting and weaving. There is currently no group of any kind for needlework, so stitchers are left with only rec.crafts.textiles, where most of the postings (about 200 messages/week total) are now directly related to different kinds of embroidery (and, it may be added, not also useful to other fields). The first RFD (for r.c.t.xstitch, which was too limited) seems to have had the effect to have r.c.t. discovered by more stitchers and to accentuate this trend :-)! The current group alt.sewing has been going strong for over 4 years, and still receives an average of 20-40 messages a day, even with its limited distribution. It was meant to be superceded by rec.crafts.textiles when that group was created, but rec.crafts.textiles instead took on a more general character, discussing all kinds of fiber techniques, There is still enough of a desire for a specific sewing forum, and postings, to justify a separate group. The creation of all these groups under rec.crafts.textiles makes sense because the tree can then be maintained as a whole by newsadmins everywhere, semi-automatically in many cases. Let me just quote David Lawrence here: 'sites that have limited feeds but have a specific interest in sewing ... and other textile crafts (apart from quilting) already get rec.crafts.textiles. They would automatically get the new groups with the names as proposed. They would have to manually intervene to set up the other groups if they are not getting the entire rec.crafts hierarchy.' But then 2 previously existing groups are left in an ankward position. Rec.crafts.textiles should clearly be renamed rec.crafts.textiles.misc to conform to prevailing usenet conventions, and to better reflect its function. And rec.crafts.quilting should also be moved to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting so it's not left alone, separated artifically from other textile-related groups. As many other Internet groups lately, the rec.crafts groups are being more and more consistently inundated with advertising, ranging from the semi- acceptable 'I'm cleaning out the garage and would anyone want 10 balls of yellow mohair' to blatant commercialism. The rec.crafts.marketplace group would be an attempt to contain this advertising to a single group and not inflict it on unwilling parties. REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) DISTRIBUTION This RFD will be sent to the following newgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.sewing rec.crafts.textiles rec.crafts.quilting rec.crafts.misc rec.arts.misc rec.org.sca And to the following mailing lists: quiltnet@emuvm1.cc.emu.edu Main quilting discussion list notrad-l@yalevm.cis.yale.edu Non-traditional quilt list knit@geom.umn.edu Knitting list h-costume@lunch.asd.sgi.com Historical costume list f-costume@lunch.asd.sgi.com Fantasy costume list Followups will be directed to news.groups, as per USENET guidelines. Hopefully, any subsequent voting will be conducted by a neutral third party. -- Marie-Christine Mahe quilt@otto.cis.yale.edu From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Thu Aug 4 15:38:26 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sewing,rec.crafts.textiles,rec.crafts.quilting,rec.crafts.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.org.sca Subject: CFV: rec.crafts.textiles.{yarn,needlework,sewing,quilting,misc},rec.crafts.marketplace Followup-To: poster Date: 4 Aug 1994 15:18:53 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 203 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 26 Aug 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5453 news.groups:111289 alt.sewing:15043 rec.crafts.textiles:12095 rec.crafts.quilting:3187 rec.crafts.misc:5354 rec.arts.misc:2740 rec.org.sca:82269 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.yarn unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.needlework unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.sewing unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.quilting renaming rec.crafts.quilting unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.misc renaming rec.crafts.textiles unmoderated group rec.crafts.marketplace Newsgroups lines: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn Yarn making & use: spin, dye, knit, weave etc. rec.crafts.textiles.needlework Any form of decorative stitching done by hand. rec.crafts.textiles.sewing Sewing: clothes, furnishings, costumes, etc. rec.crafts.textiles.quilting All about quilts and other quilted items. rec.crafts.textiles.misc Fiber and textile crafts not covered elsewhere. rec.crafts.marketplace Small-scale ads for craft products of all kinds. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 August 1994. After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing lists: quiltnet@emuvm1.cc.emu.edu Main quilting discussion list notrad-l@yalevm.cis.yale.edu Non-traditional quilt list knit@geom.umn.edu Knitting list h-costume@lunch.asd.sgi.com Historical costume list f-costume@lunch.asd.sgi.com Fantasy costume list crafts-l@bigvax.alfred.edu Crafts, arts, quilting This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Marie-Christine Mahe . CHARTERS NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of yarn production and use not covered by other newsgroups. This would cover selection and preparation of different fibers, their properties, and what to do next such as dye, card, spin, felt, knit, crochet, nalbinding, weave, some kinds of rug hooking etc.... Discussions might cover color theory and other aspects of design, pattern drafting, fit, specific finishing techniques, supplies and equipment, historical aspects etc. JUSTIFICATION: There is a 'knit' mailing list that has been in existence over a year, currently has 425 subscribers, and receives close to its maximum of 80 messages per day. This list also covers spinning and dyeing, fitfully, but weavers are left to clamor for attention on rec.crafts.textiles. The list is run on a machine administered by the founder's spouse, which is groaning under the overload. It makes sense to put into a single newsgroup all aspects of yarn production and use, since these things are often related and people who practice one often practice several of the others, sooner or later. The dyeing techniques for fleece for instance are usually different from the ones that'd be likely to be discussed on rec.crafts.quilting, both in dyes used and in effects aimed for, but they'd apply for both knitting and weaving. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about needlework, as defined by 'any form of decorative stitching done by hand'. Included will be all variations of stitchery: stamped embroidery, counted thread stitching, and canvas work, including needlepoint. Discussion might cover different kinds of canvases and fabric grounds, flosses, needles and other supplies, pattern design, marking, and finishing etc. JUSTIFICATION: There is currently no group of any kind for needlework, so stitchers are left with only rec.crafts.textiles, where most of the postings (about 200 messages/week total) are now directly related to different kinds of embroidery (and, it may be added, not also useful to other fields). The first RFD (for r.c.t.xstitch, which was too limited) seems to have had the effect to have r.c.t. discovered by more stitchers and to accentuate this trend :-)! NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.sewing CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of sewing, not covered by other newsgroups, whether for for clothes, home furnishings, outdoor equipment, costumes, etc. Technical aspects include pattern drafting and fitting, different fabrics, notions, useful books, workshops and shows, inspiration, sewing machines, sergers and other hardware, etc. JUSTIFICATION: The current group alt.sewing has been going strong for over 4 years, and still receives an average of 20-40 messages a day, even with its limited distribution. It was meant to be superceded by rec.crafts.textiles when that group was created, but rec.crafts.textiles instead took on a more general character, discussing all kinds of fiber techniques, There is still enough of a desire for a specific sewing forum, and postings, to justify a separate group. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting CHARTER: [unchanged] This newsgroup is for discussing anything related to quilting. That includes piecing, applique, and tyeing and quilting by hand or machine. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies, equipment, drafting of patterns, templates, dyeing materials, artistic approaches, exhibitions, shows, books and other references, mail order resources, dating quilts and appraising quilts. Discussions may include quilts and quilting both past (historical quilting) and present, ethnic quilting, quilts to be used in a home, quilted clothing to be worn, as well as quilts created for display and any other piecing or quilting applications. JUSTIFICATION: The creation of all these groups under rec.crafts.textiles makes sense because the tree can then be maintained as a whole by newsadmins everywhere, semi-automatically in many cases. Let me just quote David Lawrence here: 'sites that have limited feeds but have a specific interest in sewing ... and other textile crafts (apart from quilting) already get rec.crafts.textiles. They would automatically get the new groups with the names as proposed. They would have to manually intervene to set up the other groups if they are not getting the entire rec.crafts hierarchy.' But then 2 previously existing groups are left in an ankward position. Rec.crafts.quilting should be moved to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting so it's not left alone, separated artificially from other textile-related groups. If this group passes, rec.crafts.quilting will be removed after three months, allowing time for traffic to move. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.misc CHARTER: [list of appropriate crafts deleted, as this changes too much] This newsgroup is for discussing all fiber and textile related interests that are not covered by another rec.crafts.textiles group. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies and equipment, drafting of patterns, artistic approaches, exhibitions or shows, books or other references. Textiles includes both textiles to be worn or used in the home or textiles created for display. JUSTIFICATION: The creation of all these groups under rec.crafts.textiles makes sense because the tree can then be maintained as a whole by newsadmins everywhere, semi-automatically in many cases. Let me just quote David Lawrence here: 'sites that have limited feeds but have a specific interest in sewing ... and other textile crafts (apart from quilting) already get rec.crafts.textiles. They would automatically get the new groups with the names as proposed. They would have to manually intervene to set up the other groups if they are not getting the entire rec.crafts hierarchy.' But then 2 previously existing groups are left in an ankward position. Rec.crafts.textiles should clearly be renamed rec.crafts.textiles.misc to conform to prevailing usenet conventions, and to better reflect its function. If this group passes, rec.crafts.textiles will be removed after three months, allowing time for traffic to move. NAME: rec.crafts.marketplace CHARTER: This group will get all the ads for fiber, fabric, crafts supplies and so on that otherwise would clutter the other rec.crafts groups. This should preferably be restricted to individuals or very small companies who really can't afford other advertising. JUSTIFICATION: As many other Internet groups lately, the rec.crafts groups are being more and more consistently inundated with advertising, ranging from the semi-acceptable 'I'm cleaning out the garage and would anyone want 10 balls of yellow mohair' to blatant commercialism. The rec.crafts.marketplace group would be an attempt to contain this advertising to a single group and not inflict it on unwilling parties. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. 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From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Fri Aug 12 21:36:28 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sewing,rec.crafts.textiles,rec.crafts.quilting,rec.crafts.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.org.sca Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.crafts.textiles.{yarn,needlework,sewing,quilting,misc},rec.crafts.marketplace Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Aug 1994 20:48:02 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 212 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 26 Aug 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5495 news.groups:112274 alt.sewing:15254 rec.crafts.textiles:12268 rec.crafts.quilting:3338 rec.crafts.misc:5454 rec.arts.misc:2766 rec.org.sca:83258 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.yarn unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.needlework unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.sewing unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.quilting renaming rec.crafts.quilting unmoderated group rec.crafts.textiles.misc renaming rec.crafts.textiles unmoderated group rec.crafts.marketplace Newsgroups lines: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn Yarn making & use: spin, dye, knit, weave etc. rec.crafts.textiles.needlework Any form of decorative stitching done by hand. rec.crafts.textiles.sewing Sewing: clothes, furnishings, costumes, etc. rec.crafts.textiles.quilting All about quilts and other quilted items. rec.crafts.textiles.misc Fiber and textile crafts not covered elsewhere. rec.crafts.marketplace Small-scale ads for craft products of all kinds. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 August 1994. After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing lists: quiltnet@emuvm1.cc.emu.edu Main quilting discussion list notrad-l@yalevm.cis.yale.edu Non-traditional quilt list knit@geom.umn.edu Knitting list h-costume-request@lunch.asd.sgi.com Historical costume list f-costume-request@lunch.asd.sgi.com Fantasy costume list crafts-l@bigvax.alfred.edu Crafts, arts, quilting This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Marie-Christine Mahe . CHARTERS NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of yarn production and use not covered by other newsgroups. This would cover selection and preparation of different fibers, their properties, and what to do next such as dye, card, spin, felt, knit, crochet, nalbinding, weave, some kinds of rug hooking etc.... Discussions might cover color theory and other aspects of design, pattern drafting, fit, specific finishing techniques, supplies and equipment, historical aspects etc. JUSTIFICATION: There is a 'knit' mailing list that has been in existence over a year, currently has 425 subscribers, and receives close to its maximum of 80 messages per day. This list also covers spinning and dyeing, fitfully, but weavers are left to clamor for attention on rec.crafts.textiles. The list is run on a machine administered by the founder's spouse, which is groaning under the overload. It makes sense to put into a single newsgroup all aspects of yarn production and use, since these things are often related and people who practice one often practice several of the others, sooner or later. The dyeing techniques for fleece for instance are usually different from the ones that'd be likely to be discussed on rec.crafts.quilting, both in dyes used and in effects aimed for, but they'd apply for both knitting and weaving. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about needlework, as defined by 'any form of decorative stitching done by hand'. Included will be all variations of stitchery: stamped embroidery, counted thread stitching, and canvas work, including needlepoint. Discussion might cover different kinds of canvases and fabric grounds, flosses, needles and other supplies, pattern design, marking, and finishing etc. JUSTIFICATION: There is currently no group of any kind for needlework, so stitchers are left with only rec.crafts.textiles, where most of the postings (about 200 messages/week total) are now directly related to different kinds of embroidery (and, it may be added, not also useful to other fields). The first RFD (for r.c.t.xstitch, which was too limited) seems to have had the effect to have r.c.t. discovered by more stitchers and to accentuate this trend :-)! NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.sewing CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of sewing, not covered by other newsgroups, whether for for clothes, home furnishings, outdoor equipment, costumes, etc. Technical aspects include pattern drafting and fitting, different fabrics, notions, useful books, workshops and shows, inspiration, sewing machines, sergers and other hardware, etc. JUSTIFICATION: The current group alt.sewing has been going strong for over 4 years, and still receives an average of 20-40 messages a day, even with its limited distribution. It was meant to be superceded by rec.crafts.textiles when that group was created, but rec.crafts.textiles instead took on a more general character, discussing all kinds of fiber techniques, There is still enough of a desire for a specific sewing forum, and postings, to justify a separate group. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting CHARTER: [unchanged] This newsgroup is for discussing anything related to quilting. That includes piecing, applique, and tyeing and quilting by hand or machine. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies, equipment, drafting of patterns, templates, dyeing materials, artistic approaches, exhibitions, shows, books and other references, mail order resources, dating quilts and appraising quilts. Discussions may include quilts and quilting both past (historical quilting) and present, ethnic quilting, quilts to be used in a home, quilted clothing to be worn, as well as quilts created for display and any other piecing or quilting applications. JUSTIFICATION: The creation of all these groups under rec.crafts.textiles makes sense because the tree can then be maintained as a whole by newsadmins everywhere, semi-automatically in many cases. Let me just quote David Lawrence here: 'sites that have limited feeds but have a specific interest in sewing ... and other textile crafts (apart from quilting) already get rec.crafts.textiles. They would automatically get the new groups with the names as proposed. They would have to manually intervene to set up the other groups if they are not getting the entire rec.crafts hierarchy.' But then 2 previously existing groups are left in an ankward position. Rec.crafts.quilting should be moved to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting so it's not left alone, separated artificially from other textile-related groups. If this group passes, rec.crafts.quilting will be removed after three months, allowing time for traffic to move. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.misc CHARTER: [list of appropriate crafts deleted, as this changes too much] This newsgroup is for discussing all fiber and textile related interests that are not covered by another rec.crafts.textiles group. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies and equipment, drafting of patterns, artistic approaches, exhibitions or shows, books or other references. Textiles includes both textiles to be worn or used in the home or textiles created for display. JUSTIFICATION: The creation of all these groups under rec.crafts.textiles makes sense because the tree can then be maintained as a whole by newsadmins everywhere, semi-automatically in many cases. Let me just quote David Lawrence here: 'sites that have limited feeds but have a specific interest in sewing ... and other textile crafts (apart from quilting) already get rec.crafts.textiles. They would automatically get the new groups with the names as proposed. They would have to manually intervene to set up the other groups if they are not getting the entire rec.crafts hierarchy.' But then 2 previously existing groups are left in an ankward position. Rec.crafts.textiles should clearly be renamed rec.crafts.textiles.misc to conform to prevailing usenet conventions, and to better reflect its function. If this group passes, rec.crafts.textiles will be removed after three months, allowing time for traffic to move. NAME: rec.crafts.marketplace CHARTER: This group will get all the ads for fiber, fabric, crafts supplies and so on that otherwise would clutter the other rec.crafts groups. This should preferably be restricted to individuals or very small companies who really can't afford other advertising. JUSTIFICATION: As many other Internet groups lately, the rec.crafts groups are being more and more consistently inundated with advertising, ranging from the semi-acceptable 'I'm cleaning out the garage and would anyone want 10 balls of yellow mohair' to blatant commercialism. The rec.crafts.marketplace group would be an attempt to contain this advertising to a single group and not inflict it on unwilling parties. HOW TO VOTE Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these lines and do not change the group names. Give your name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. 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Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. rec.crafts.textiles vote Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ prowe@navo.navy.mil Pamela Rowe r324@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Patricia Jane Kimmitt-Huxley seymour@iseg01.imd.cig.mot.com PAtricia Seymour From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Wed Aug 31 18:36:27 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sewing,rec.crafts.textiles,rec.crafts.quilting,rec.crafts.misc,rec.arts.misc,rec.org.sca Subject: RESULT: rec.crafts.textiles reorganization passes Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 31 Aug 1994 15:36:18 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 642 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5573 news.groups:114561 alt.sewing:15642 rec.crafts.textiles:12610 rec.crafts.quilting:3524 rec.crafts.misc:5709 rec.arts.misc:2801 rec.org.sca:85039 RESULT rec.crafts.textiles vote results - 462 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 379 31 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.crafts.textiles.yarn 387 31 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.crafts.textiles.needlework 386 27 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.crafts.textiles.sewing 382 20 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.crafts.textiles.quilting renaming rec.crafts.quilting 389 28 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.crafts.textiles.misc renaming rec.crafts.textiles 395 30 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.crafts.marketplace 2 invalid votes Newsgroups lines: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn Yarn making & use: spin, dye, knit, weave etc. rec.crafts.textiles.needlework Any form of decorative stitching done by hand. rec.crafts.textiles.sewing Sewing: clothes, furnishings, costumes, etc. rec.crafts.textiles.quilting All about quilts and other quilted items. rec.crafts.textiles.misc Fiber and textile crafts not covered elsewhere. rec.crafts.marketplace Small-scale ads for craft products of all kinds. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Marie-Christine Mahe . CHARTERS NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.yarn CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of yarn production and use not covered by other newsgroups. This would cover selection and preparation of different fibers, their properties, and what to do next such as dye, card, spin, felt, knit, crochet, nalbinding, weave, some kinds of rug hooking etc.... Discussions might cover color theory and other aspects of design, pattern drafting, fit, specific finishing techniques, supplies and equipment, historical aspects etc. JUSTIFICATION: There is a 'knit' mailing list that has been in existence over a year, currently has 425 subscribers, and receives close to its maximum of 80 messages per day. This list also covers spinning and dyeing, fitfully, but weavers are left to clamor for attention on rec.crafts.textiles. The list is run on a machine administered by the founder's spouse, which is groaning under the overload. It makes sense to put into a single newsgroup all aspects of yarn production and use, since these things are often related and people who practice one often practice several of the others, sooner or later. The dyeing techniques for fleece for instance are usually different from the ones that'd be likely to be discussed on rec.crafts.quilting, both in dyes used and in effects aimed for, but they'd apply for both knitting and weaving. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about needlework, as defined by 'any form of decorative stitching done by hand'. Included will be all variations of stitchery: stamped embroidery, counted thread stitching, and canvas work, including needlepoint. Discussion might cover different kinds of canvases and fabric grounds, flosses, needles and other supplies, pattern design, marking, and finishing etc. JUSTIFICATION: There is currently no group of any kind for needlework, so stitchers are left with only rec.crafts.textiles, where most of the postings (about 200 messages/week total) are now directly related to different kinds of embroidery (and, it may be added, not also useful to other fields). The first RFD (for r.c.t.xstitch, which was too limited) seems to have had the effect to have r.c.t. discovered by more stitchers and to accentuate this trend :-)! NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.sewing CHARTER: This group will be for discussions about all aspects of sewing, not covered by other newsgroups, whether for for clothes, home furnishings, outdoor equipment, costumes, etc. Technical aspects include pattern drafting and fitting, different fabrics, notions, useful books, workshops and shows, inspiration, sewing machines, sergers and other hardware, etc. JUSTIFICATION: The current group alt.sewing has been going strong for over 4 years, and still receives an average of 20-40 messages a day, even with its limited distribution. It was meant to be superceded by rec.crafts.textiles when that group was created, but rec.crafts.textiles instead took on a more general character, discussing all kinds of fiber techniques, There is still enough of a desire for a specific sewing forum, and postings, to justify a separate group. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.quilting CHARTER: [unchanged] This newsgroup is for discussing anything related to quilting. That includes piecing, applique, and tyeing and quilting by hand or machine. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies, equipment, drafting of patterns, templates, dyeing materials, artistic approaches, exhibitions, shows, books and other references, mail order resources, dating quilts and appraising quilts. Discussions may include quilts and quilting both past (historical quilting) and present, ethnic quilting, quilts to be used in a home, quilted clothing to be worn, as well as quilts created for display and any other piecing or quilting applications. JUSTIFICATION: The creation of all these groups under rec.crafts.textiles makes sense because the tree can then be maintained as a whole by newsadmins everywhere, semi-automatically in many cases. Let me just quote David Lawrence here: 'sites that have limited feeds but have a specific interest in sewing ... and other textile crafts (apart from quilting) already get rec.crafts.textiles. They would automatically get the new groups with the names as proposed. They would have to manually intervene to set up the other groups if they are not getting the entire rec.crafts hierarchy.' But then 2 previously existing groups are left in an ankward position. Rec.crafts.quilting should be moved to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting so it's not left alone, separated artificially from other textile-related groups. If this group passes, rec.crafts.quilting will be removed after three months, allowing time for traffic to move. NAME: rec.crafts.textiles.misc CHARTER: [list of appropriate crafts deleted, as this changes too much] This newsgroup is for discussing all fiber and textile related interests that are not covered by another rec.crafts.textiles group. Discussions may cover techniques, supplies and equipment, drafting of patterns, artistic approaches, exhibitions or shows, books or other references. Textiles includes both textiles to be worn or used in the home or textiles created for display. JUSTIFICATION: The creation of all these groups under rec.crafts.textiles makes sense because the tree can then be maintained as a whole by newsadmins everywhere, semi-automatically in many cases. Let me just quote David Lawrence here: 'sites that have limited feeds but have a specific interest in sewing ... and other textile crafts (apart from quilting) already get rec.crafts.textiles. They would automatically get the new groups with the names as proposed. They would have to manually intervene to set up the other groups if they are not getting the entire rec.crafts hierarchy.' But then 2 previously existing groups are left in an ankward position. Rec.crafts.textiles should clearly be renamed rec.crafts.textiles.misc to conform to prevailing usenet conventions, and to better reflect its function. If this group passes, rec.crafts.textiles will be removed after three months, allowing time for traffic to move. NAME: rec.crafts.marketplace CHARTER: This group will get all the ads for fiber, fabric, crafts supplies and so on that otherwise would clutter the other rec.crafts groups. This should preferably be restricted to individuals or very small companies who really can't afford other advertising. JUSTIFICATION: As many other Internet groups lately, the rec.crafts groups are being more and more consistently inundated with advertising, ranging from the semi-acceptable 'I'm cleaning out the garage and would anyone want 10 balls of yellow mohair' to blatant commercialism. The rec.crafts.marketplace group would be an attempt to contain this advertising to a single group and not inflict it on unwilling parties. rec.crafts.textiles vote Final Vote Ack rec.crafts.marketplace --------+ rec.crafts.textiles.misc renaming rec.crafts.textiles -------+| rec.crafts.textiles.quilting renaming rec.crafts.quilting ------+|| rec.crafts.textiles.sewing -----+||| rec.crafts.textiles.needlework ----+|||| rec.crafts.textiles.yarn ---+||||| |||||| @UGA.CC.UGA.EDU:BWATSONP@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Beth Pauley YYNYYY @UGA.CC.UGA.EDU:ROBIN@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Robin Colleen Moore YYYYYY aa043@cfn.cs.dal.ca Bonny Lee YYYYYY ac849@freenet.carleton.ca Diane Dodds YYYYYY Adrienne.Harris@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU Adrienne A. Harris YYYYYY ah266@freenet.carleton.ca Christine Hayman YYYYYY ajb@netcom.com Adrian J. 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