From davpascal@aol.com Thu May 2 22:36:41 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: David Pascal Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.business,alt.journalism.freelance,alt.journalism,alt.tv.commercials,alt.psychology.nlp,alt.politics.media,alt.postmodern,biz.general,misc.writing Subject: RFD: misc.business.advertising moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 3 May 1996 02:36:36 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 125 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <831090994.22441@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.business.advertising Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8618 news.groups:205015 alt.business:91400 alt.journalism.freelance:2729 alt.journalism:47730 alt.tv.commercials:10726 alt.psychology.nlp:10088 alt.politics.media:9885 alt.postmodern:35477 biz.general:75671 misc.writing:109688 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group misc.business.advertising Newsgroup line: misc.business.advertising All aspects of advertising. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup group.name. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: misc.business.advertising Why should this particular newsgroup be formed? First, because there is considerable interest in advertising on the internet, and considerable discussion of it as well. DejaNews records over 50,000 USENET posts on the subject; Alta Vista's search engine returns 'about 200,000' web sites when the phrase 'advertising' is entered. Mailing lists that regularly discuss the topic have a high volume of readership -- the Marshall McLuhan List, for instance, numbers roughly 3500 subscribers, the Internet Marketing List 6300. America OnLine dedicates an entire forum, AdSig, to the subject, which currently lists over 7700 posts. My personal survey of the newsgroups listed above has gathered nearly 200 positive responses to date, roughly a third from international sources. Whether advertising will irrevocably alter the internet, or whether the internet will irrevocably alter advertising, may be debatable; but clearly, it is being debated online, and extensively so. Nonetheless: my searches have turned up no newsgroups dedicated solely to the discussion of advertising. Nor does advertising seem to be the sort of topic that clearly fits into any existing current newsgroup. Political advertising does not really come under the heading of business; business advertising concerns aren't really the concerns of academic media studies such as semiotics; semiotics isn't really a burning issue in controversies over advertising as it affects the Net and the Web; 'webvertising' doesn't much examine the social, economic, or psychological effects of other mass media advertising, and so on. In short, advertising is a unified topic, but not one that fits very appropriately into any of the current hierarchies. Therefore, given the numbers of people involved and interested, and the lack of a clear current home, it seems such a newsgroup might be an appropriate and substantive addition to USENET. CHARTER: misc.business.advertising Misc.business.advertising is a moderated newsgroup for those interested in discussions of all aspects of advertising, whether from a business, cultural, professional, academic, or international standpoint, or as it impacts on society, media, psychology, politics, or the internet. Misc.business.advertising will have an active moderator. The responsibility of the active moderator will be to screen postings to the newsgroup, and eliminate those which are: 1. Postings that have no relevance to the subject of advertising. 2. Postings that are of an exclusively commercial nature. 3. Postings that contain exceptionally obscene language or extreme personal abuse. The moderator will not screen postings for intellectual content nor for argumentative substance. Other topics may be accepted or declined at the moderator's discretion, with the main criterion being relevance to the subject of advertising. Misc.business.advertising is intended to provide a place to discuss advertising -- it is not intended as a location to place advertisements. Advertisements as such will be prohibited, except in the instance when such are used as examples and illustrations in discussion. Brief notics of relevant events, publications, seminars, workshops, and the like may be considered at the moderator's discretion if they are pertinent to the issues being discussed. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.business.advertising Moderator: David Pascal The proponent is in the process of obtaining a separate e-mail account for the purposes of moderation. Also, the proponent has been contacted by individuals wishing to serve as co-moderators in the case of illness or extended absence from the internet by the moderator, or in case of excessive workload; this additional moderator(s) is currently being selected. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.business, alt.journalism.freelance, alt.journalism, alt.tv.commercials, alt.psychology.nlp, alt.politics.media, alt.postmodern, biz.general, misc.writing and the following mailing list: INTERNET-MARKETING@I-M.COM (The Internet Marketing List) subscribe via: IM-SUB@I-M.COM Proponent: David Pascal Mentor: Kate Wrightson From pascal@vivanet.com Mon Jul 15 16:53:26 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: David Pascal Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.business,alt.journalism.freelance,alt.journalism,alt.tv.commercials,alt.psychology.nlp,alt.politics.media,alt.postmodern,biz.general,misc.writing Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.business.advertising moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Jul 1996 20:53:03 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 160 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <837463979.5672@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.business.advertising Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8950 news.groups:217728 alt.business:133774 alt.journalism.freelance:4031 alt.journalism:56642 alt.tv.commercials:11811 alt.psychology.nlp:11892 alt.politics.media:11803 alt.postmodern:44888 biz.general:106748 misc.writing:122441 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group misc.business.advertising CHANGES from previous RFD: 1. Guidelines for the acceptance of article submissions have been rewritten and clarified. Specifically, the moderator has been given the option of either editing out any obscene or personally abusive language in an article, or of rejecting the entire article, as he or she sees fit. Also, cross-posted articles, and clearly copyrighted material, will be automatically rejected. 2. The rationale and charter have been revised to emphasize the newgroup's focus on the specific subject of advertising; discussion of somewhat overlapping but not invariably equivalent phenomena such as marketing or sales are welcome if the discussions are related to the subject of advertising, but not encouraged if they are not. 3. A mailing list, selected for inclusion in the distribution list in the first RFD, has been removed from the second RFD. The list in question is open to members only, and CFV protocols are such that the posting of CFV's to restricted lists is not done; and the posting of an RFD to a list that cannot subsequently receive a CFV seems unnecessary. 4. The position of moderator is assigned at this time solely to the proponent. Associate moderators will be added at such time as the workload and circumstances warrant. 5. A typographical error in the first RFD has been corrected. Newsgroup line: misc.business.advertising All aspects of advertising. (Moderated) This is the second formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, misc.business.advertising. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: misc.business.advertising Why should this particular newsgroup be formed? First, because there is considerable interest in advertising on the internet, and considerable discussion of it as well. DejaNews records over 50,000 USENET posts on the subject; Alta Vista's search engine returns 'about 200,000' web sites when the phrase 'advertising' is entered. Mailing lists that regularly discuss the topic have a high volume of readership -- the Marshall McLuhan List, for instance, numbers roughly 3500 subscribers, the Internet Marketing List 6300. America OnLine dedicates an entire forum, AdSig, to the subject, which currently lists nearly 8000 posts. My personal survey sent to the newsgroups listed above has gathered, internationally, over 200 responses favoring the creation of a proposed new group dedicated specifically to the topic of advertising. Clearly, the subject is being discussed online, and extensively so. Nonetheless: despite all the advertising on the net, my searches have turned up no newsgroups at present dedicated to discussion of advertising. Nor does advertising seem to be the sort of topic that clearly and unarguably fits into any currently existing group. Political advertising does not really come under the heading of business; business advertising concerns aren't really the concerns of academic social theorists such as Marshall McLuhan, or formal media studies such as semiotics; semiotics isn't really a burning concern in actual advertising practice as we see it on the Net or the Web; controversies over advertising on the Net and the Web rarely examine social, economic, or psychological effects of advertising on other mass media; many business, marketing, sales, and advertising practices overlap, yet have distinct techniques, personnel, practices, and areas of concentration; and so on, and so on. In short, advertising is a unified topic, but not one that fits cleanly, appropriately, and indisputably, into any of the current groups. Therefore, given the numbers of people involved and interested, and the lack of a clear current home, it seems a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of advertising would be an appropriate and substantive addition to USENET. CHARTER: misc.business.advertising misc.business.advertising is a moderated newsgroup for those interested in discussions of all aspects of advertising, whether from a business, cultural, professional, or academic standpoint, or as it impacts on society, media, psychology, politics, or cyberspace. misc.business.advertising will have an active moderator. The responsibility of the active moderator will be to screen postings to the newsgroup, and to eliminate the following: 1. Articles that are of an exclusively commercial nature -- misc.business.advertising is intended to provide a place to discuss advertising: it is not intended as a location to place advertisements; advertisements as such are prohibited, except in the instance when elements of such are used as examples and illustrations in discussion. 2. Articles that have no relevance to the subject of advertising or to the advertising community -- articles on business, marketing, or sales, in those many instances where it relates to advertising, are (by way of example) welcome; but articles on business, marketing, or sales that have no relation to advertising whatsoever are not encouraged; similiarly, at the moderator's discretion, brief notices of relevant events, publications, seminars, workshops, and the like, may be considered -- again, if they are pertinent to the issues being discussed, or to the reading community. 3. Articles that contain exceptionally obscene language or extreme personal abuse -- in the rare instance of an article submission that combines both obscene or abusive language with valuable and substantive comment, the moderator at his or her discretion may either reject the article in toto, or simply remove the offensive words or passsages (with the provision that he or she note publicly that he or she has done so). 4. Articles that are cross-posted, or that are clearly copyrighted material. Continual and repeated abuse of the above guidelines may result in the dismissal of all future articles sent by the abuser. The moderator will not screen postings for intellectual content nor for argumentative substance. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.business.advertising Moderator: David Pascal Administrative contact address: pascal@vivanet.com Article submission address: adsubmis@vivanet.com The proponent will initially serve as sole moderator of the proposed newsgroup. Additional associate moderators will be recruited as workload and circumstances dictate. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.business, alt.journalism.freelance, alt.journalism, alt.tv.commercials, alt.psychology.nlp, alt.politics.media, alt.postmodern, biz.general, misc.writing - Proponent: David Pascal Mentor: Kate Wrightson From kate@rigel.econ.uga.edu Fri Sep 13 13:36:16 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Kate Wrightson Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.business,alt.journalism.freelance,alt.journalism,alt.tv.commercials,alt.psychology.nlp,alt.politics.media,alt.postmodern,biz.general,misc.writing Subject: 3rd RFD: misc.business.advertising moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 13 Sep 1996 17:36:07 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 170 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <842636164.18148@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.business.advertising Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9136 news.groups:230534 alt.business:162939 alt.journalism.freelance:4966 alt.journalism:64583 alt.tv.commercials:12736 alt.psychology.nlp:12950 alt.politics.media:14888 alt.postmodern:47581 biz.general:128714 misc.writing:137110 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group misc.business.advertising This is the second formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, misc.business.advertising. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: misc.business.advertising All aspects of advertising. (Moderated) CHANGES from previous RFD: During the discussion of the second RFD, it was pointed out that two passages in the RFD relating to a moderator's handling of obscene or insulting material in a post could be interpreted to mean that the moderator might arbitarily alter the submitted article and post it without the writer's approval. The passages in question were: (1) "...the moderator has been given the option of either editing out any obscene or personally abusive language in an article, or of rejecting the entire article, as he or she sees fit.", and (2) "...in the rare instance of an article submission that combines both obscene or abusive language with valuable and substantive comment, the moderator at his or her discretion may either reject the article in toto, or simply remove the offensive words or passsages (with the provision that he or she note publicly that he or she has done so)." In responding to this, the Proponent pointed out that removal of any such passages by the moderator could only take place with the consent of the author submitting the article, and that the removal of obscene language or inflammatory personal references should not be taken to imply that the moderator might arbitrarily rewrite or edit submissions at will. This, indeed, goes without saying. On reflection, though, the Proponent felt that perhaps it was worth saying after all; and revised the passages in question to stress both the necessary consent of the poster to any alterations, and to underline the need for moderators to avoid arbitrary revision or change of a submitted article. No other criticisms of the RFD were made, and the remainder of the document remains unchanged. RATIONALE: misc.business.advertising Why should this particular newsgroup be formed? First, because there is considerable interest in advertising on the internet, and considerable discussion of it as well. DejaNews records over 50,000 USENET posts on the subject; Alta Vista's search engine returns 'about 200,000' web sites when the phrase 'advertising' is entered. Mailing lists that regularly discuss the topic have a high volume of readership -- the Marshall McLuhan List, for instance, numbers roughly 3500 subscribers, the Internet Marketing List 6300. America OnLine dedicates an entire forum, AdSig, to the subject, which currently lists nearly 8000 posts. My personal survey sent to the newsgroups listed above has gathered, internationally, over 200 responses favoring the creation of a proposed new group dedicated specifically to the topic of advertising. Clearly, the subject is being discussed online, and extensively so. Nonetheless: despite all the advertising on the net, my searches have turned up no newsgroups at present dedicated to discussion of advertising. Nor does advertising seem to be the sort of topic that clearly and unarguably fits into any currently existing group. Political advertising does not really come under the heading of business; business advertising concerns aren't really the concerns of academic social theorists such as Marshall McLuhan, or formal media studies such as semiotics; semiotics isn't really a burning concern in actual advertising practice as we see it on the Net or the Web; controversies over advertising on the Net and the Web rarely examine social, economic, or psychological effects of advertising on other mass media; many business, marketing, sales, and advertising practices overlap, yet have distinct techniques, personnel, practices, and areas of concentration; and so on, and so on. In short, advertising is a unified topic, but not one that fits cleanly, appropriately, and indisputably, into any of the current groups. Therefore, given the numbers of people involved and interested, and the lack of a clear current home, it seems a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of advertising would be an appropriate and substantive addition to USENET. CHARTER: misc.business.advertising misc.business.advertising is a moderated newsgroup for those interested in discussions of all aspects of advertising, whether from a business, cultural, professional, or academic standpoint, or as it impacts on society, media, psychology, politics, or cyberspace. misc.business.advertising will have an active moderator. The responsibility of the active moderator will be to screen postings to the newsgroup, and to eliminate the following: 1. Articles that are of an exclusively commercial nature -- misc.business.advertising is intended to provide a place to discuss advertising: it is not intended as a location to place advertisements; advertisements as such are prohibited, except in the instance when elements of such are used as examples and illustrations in discussion. 2. Articles that have no relevance to the subject of advertising or to the advertising community -- articles on business, marketing, or sales, in those many instances where it relates to advertising, are (by way of example) welcome; but articles on business, marketing, or sales that have no relation to advertising whatsoever are not encouraged; similiarly, at the moderator's discretion, brief notices of relevant events, publications, seminars, workshops, and the like, may be considered -- again, if they are pertinent to the issues being discussed, or to the reading community. 3. Articles that contain exceptionally obscene language or extreme personal abuse. In the rare instance of an article submission that combines both obscene or abusive language with valuable and substantive comment, the moderator at his or her discretion may either reject the article in toto, or -- if the author of the article agrees to it -- simply remove the offensive words or passages. The moderator may not arbitrarily revise or edit submitted articles, however, nor post articles without the consent of the poster. A moderator who does remove obscene or inflammatory material from a post under the above conditions must explicitly state that he or she has done so. 4. Articles that are cross-posted, or that are clearly copyrighted material. Continual and repeated abuse of the above guidelines may result in the dismissal of all future articles sent by the abuser. The moderator will not screen postings for intellectual content nor for argumentative substance. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.business.advertising Moderator: David Pascal Administrative contact address: pascal@vivanet.com Article submission address: adsubmis@vivanet.com The proponent will initially serve as sole moderator of the proposed newsgroup. Additional associate moderators will be recruited as workload and circumstances dictate. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.business, alt.journalism.freelance, alt.journalism, alt.tv.commercials, alt.psychology.nlp, alt.politics.media, alt.postmodern, biz.general, misc.writing Proponent: David Pascal Mentor: Kate Wrightson From jjd@primenet.com Tue Nov 26 20:21:45 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.business,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.freelance,alt.politics.media,alt.postmodern,alt.psychology.nlp,alt.tv.commercials,biz.general,misc.writing Subject: CFV: misc.business.advertising moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 27 Nov 1996 01:21:43 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 162 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 19 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <849057701.6393@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.business.advertising Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9389 news.groups:240605 alt.business:206232 alt.journalism:74073 alt.journalism.freelance:6190 alt.politics.media:21990 alt.postmodern:53500 alt.psychology.nlp:14492 alt.tv.commercials:13732 biz.general:161821 misc.writing:153354 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group misc.business.advertising Newsgroup line: misc.business.advertising All aspects of advertising. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent. Do not distribute this CFV or the information contained in it in any form without the votetaker's permission. Proponent: David Pascal Mentor: Kate Wrightson Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: misc.business.advertising Why should this particular newsgroup be formed? First, because there is considerable interest in advertising on the internet, and considerable discussion of it as well. DejaNews records over 50,000 USENET posts on the subject; Alta Vista's search engine returns 'about 200,000' web sites when the phrase 'advertising' is entered. Mailing lists that regularly discuss the topic have a high volume of readership -- the Marshall McLuhan List, for instance, numbers roughly 3500 subscribers, the Internet Marketing List 6300. America OnLine dedicates an entire forum, AdSig, to the subject, which currently lists nearly 8000 posts. My personal survey sent to the newsgroups listed above has gathered, internationally, over 200 responses favoring the creation of a proposed new group dedicated specifically to the topic of advertising. Clearly, the subject is being discussed online, and extensively so. Nonetheless: despite all the advertising on the net, my searches have turned up no newsgroups at present dedicated to discussion of advertising. Nor does advertising seem to be the sort of topic that clearly and unarguably fits into any currently existing group. Political advertising does not really come under the heading of business; business advertising concerns aren't really the concerns of academic social theorists such as Marshall McLuhan, or formal media studies such as semiotics; semiotics isn't really a burning concern in actual advertising practice as we see it on the Net or the Web; controversies over advertising on the Net and the Web rarely examine social, economic, or psychological effects of advertising on other mass media; many business, marketing, sales, and advertising practices overlap, yet have distinct techniques, personnel, practices, and areas of concentration; and so on, and so on. In short, advertising is a unified topic, but not one that fits cleanly, appropriately, and indisputably, into any of the current groups. Therefore, given the numbers of people involved and interested, and the lack of a clear current home, it seems a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of advertising would be an appropriate and substantive addition to USENET. CHARTER: misc.business.advertising misc.business.advertising is a moderated newsgroup for those interested in discussions of all aspects of advertising, whether from a business, cultural, professional, or academic standpoint, or as it impacts on society, media, psychology, politics, or cyberspace. misc.business.advertising will have an active moderator. The responsibility of the active moderator will be to screen postings to the newsgroup, and to eliminate the following: 1. Articles that are of an exclusively commercial nature -- misc.business.advertising is intended to provide a place to discuss advertising: it is not intended as a location to place advertisements; advertisements as such are prohibited, except in the instance when elements of such are used as examples and illustrations in discussion. 2. Articles that have no relevance to the subject of advertising or to the advertising community -- articles on business, marketing, or sales, in those many instances where it relates to advertising, are (by way of example) welcome; but articles on business, marketing, or sales that have no relation to advertising whatsoever are not encouraged; similiarly, at the moderator's discretion, brief notices of relevant events, publications, seminars, workshops, and the like, may be considered -- again, if they are pertinent to the issues being discussed, or to the reading community. 3. Articles that contain exceptionally obscene language or extreme personal abuse. In the rare instance of an article submission that combines both obscene or abusive language with valuable and substantive comment, the moderator at his or her discretion may either reject the article in toto, or -- if the author of the article agrees to it -- simply remove the offensive words or passages. The moderator may not arbitrarily revise or edit submitted articles, however, nor post articles without the consent of the poster. A moderator who does remove obscene or inflammatory material from a post under the above conditions must explicitly state that he or she has done so. 4. Articles that are cross-posted, or that are clearly copyrighted material. Continual and repeated abuse of the above guidelines may result in the dismissal of all future articles sent by the abuser. The moderator will not screen postings for intellectual content nor for argumentative substance. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.business.advertising Moderator: David Pascal Administrative contact address: pascal@vivanet.com Article submission address: adsubmis@vivanet.com The proponent will initially serve as sole moderator of the proposed newsgroup. Additional associate moderators will be recruited as workload and circumstances dictate. END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Send email to: jjd@primenet.com Your email message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on misc.business.advertising I vote NO on misc.business.advertising You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL. ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed in the final voting results. CANCEL removes any earlier vote and is not listed in the final voting results. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One account per person and one vote per person. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. Vote counting is automated: If you don't follow these directions then your vote may not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote after several days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure that your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in people who would read the proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested people defeats this purpose. Please do not redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.business, alt.journalism.freelance, alt.journalism, alt.tv.commercials, alt.psychology.nlp, alt.politics.media, alt..postmodern, biz.general, misc.writing From jjd@primenet.com Mon Dec 9 00:53:26 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.business,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.freelance,alt.politics.media,alt.postmodern,alt.psychology.nlp,alt.tv.commercials,biz.general,misc.writing Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.business.advertising moderated Supersedes: <849057701.6393@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Dec 1996 05:53:21 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 166 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 19 Dec 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <850110799.12606@uunet.uu.net> References: <849057701.6393@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.business.advertising Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9439 news.groups:242929 alt.business:211649 alt.journalism:75279 alt.journalism.freelance:6334 alt.politics.media:22721 alt.postmodern:54432 alt.psychology.nlp:14774 alt.tv.commercials:13860 biz.general:2 misc.writing:156660 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group misc.business.advertising Newsgroup line: misc.business.advertising All aspects of advertising. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Direct questions about the proposed group to the proponent. Do not distribute this CFV or the information contained in it in any form without the votetaker's permission. Proponent: David Pascal Mentor: Kate Wrightson Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: misc.business.advertising Why should this particular newsgroup be formed? First, because there is considerable interest in advertising on the internet, and considerable discussion of it as well. DejaNews records over 50,000 USENET posts on the subject; Alta Vista's search engine returns 'about 200,000' web sites when the phrase 'advertising' is entered. Mailing lists that regularly discuss the topic have a high volume of readership -- the Marshall McLuhan List, for instance, numbers roughly 3500 subscribers, the Internet Marketing List 6300. America OnLine dedicates an entire forum, AdSig, to the subject, which currently lists nearly 8000 posts. My personal survey sent to the newsgroups listed above has gathered, internationally, over 200 responses favoring the creation of a proposed new group dedicated specifically to the topic of advertising. Clearly, the subject is being discussed online, and extensively so. Nonetheless: despite all the advertising on the net, my searches have turned up no newsgroups at present dedicated to discussion of advertising. Nor does advertising seem to be the sort of topic that clearly and unarguably fits into any currently existing group. Political advertising does not really come under the heading of business; business advertising concerns aren't really the concerns of academic social theorists such as Marshall McLuhan, or formal media studies such as semiotics; semiotics isn't really a burning concern in actual advertising practice as we see it on the Net or the Web; controversies over advertising on the Net and the Web rarely examine social, economic, or psychological effects of advertising on other mass media; many business, marketing, sales, and advertising practices overlap, yet have distinct techniques, personnel, practices, and areas of concentration; and so on, and so on. In short, advertising is a unified topic, but not one that fits cleanly, appropriately, and indisputably, into any of the current groups. Therefore, given the numbers of people involved and interested, and the lack of a clear current home, it seems a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of advertising would be an appropriate and substantive addition to USENET. CHARTER: misc.business.advertising misc.business.advertising is a moderated newsgroup for those interested in discussions of all aspects of advertising, whether from a business, cultural, professional, or academic standpoint, or as it impacts on society, media, psychology, politics, or cyberspace. misc.business.advertising will have an active moderator. The responsibility of the active moderator will be to screen postings to the newsgroup, and to eliminate the following: 1. Articles that are of an exclusively commercial nature -- misc.business.advertising is intended to provide a place to discuss advertising: it is not intended as a location to place advertisements; advertisements as such are prohibited, except in the instance when elements of such are used as examples and illustrations in discussion. 2. Articles that have no relevance to the subject of advertising or to the advertising community -- articles on business, marketing, or sales, in those many instances where it relates to advertising, are (by way of example) welcome; but articles on business, marketing, or sales that have no relation to advertising whatsoever are not encouraged; similiarly, at the moderator's discretion, brief notices of relevant events, publications, seminars, workshops, and the like, may be considered -- again, if they are pertinent to the issues being discussed, or to the reading community. 3. Articles that contain exceptionally obscene language or extreme personal abuse. In the rare instance of an article submission that combines both obscene or abusive language with valuable and substantive comment, the moderator at his or her discretion may either reject the article in toto, or -- if the author of the article agrees to it -- simply remove the offensive words or passages. The moderator may not arbitrarily revise or edit submitted articles, however, nor post articles without the consent of the poster. A moderator who does remove obscene or inflammatory material from a post under the above conditions must explicitly state that he or she has done so. 4. Articles that are cross-posted, or that are clearly copyrighted material. Continual and repeated abuse of the above guidelines may result in the dismissal of all future articles sent by the abuser. The moderator will not screen postings for intellectual content nor for argumentative substance. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.business.advertising Moderator: David Pascal Administrative contact address: pascal@vivanet.com Article submission address: adsubmis@vivanet.com The proponent will initially serve as sole moderator of the proposed newsgroup. Additional associate moderators will be recruited as workload and circumstances dictate. END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Send email to: jjd@primenet.com Your email message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on misc.business.advertising I vote NO on misc.business.advertising You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL. ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed in the final voting results. CANCEL removes any earlier vote and is not listed in the final voting results. VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One account per person and one vote per person. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. 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DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.business, alt.journalism.freelance, alt.journalism, alt.tv.commercials, alt.psychology.nlp, alt.politics.media, alt.postmodern, biz.general, misc.writing. misc.business.advertising Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ktreat~@wam.umd.edu Kathy Treat From jjd@primenet.com Wed Dec 18 21:09:09 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.business,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.freelance,alt.politics.media,alt.postmodern,alt.psychology.nlp,alt.tv.commercials,biz.general,misc.writing Subject: RESULT: misc.business.advertising fails 91:20 Supersedes: <850110799.12606@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 18 Dec 1996 21:09:03 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 243 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <850961339.7000@uunet.uu.net> References: <849057701.6393@uunet.uu.net> <850110799.12606@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.business.advertising Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9451 news.groups:244216 alt.business:216217 alt.journalism:76382 alt.journalism.freelance:6488 alt.politics.media:23707 alt.postmodern:55297 alt.psychology.nlp:15099 alt.tv.commercials:13997 biz.general:7 misc.writing:159336 RESULT moderated group misc.business.advertising fails 91:20 There were 91 YES votes and 20 NO votes, for a total of 111 valid votes. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroup line: misc.business.advertising All aspects of advertising. (Moderated) Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 December 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: David Pascal Mentor: Kate Wrightson Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: misc.business.advertising Why should this particular newsgroup be formed? First, because there is considerable interest in advertising on the internet, and considerable discussion of it as well. DejaNews records over 50,000 USENET posts on the subject; Alta Vista's search engine returns 'about 200,000' web sites when the phrase 'advertising' is entered. Mailing lists that regularly discuss the topic have a high volume of readership -- the Marshall McLuhan List, for instance, numbers roughly 3500 subscribers, the Internet Marketing List 6300. America OnLine dedicates an entire forum, AdSig, to the subject, which currently lists nearly 8000 posts. My personal survey sent to the newsgroups listed above has gathered, internationally, over 200 responses favoring the creation of a proposed new group dedicated specifically to the topic of advertising. Clearly, the subject is being discussed online, and extensively so. Nonetheless: despite all the advertising on the net, my searches have turned up no newsgroups at present dedicated to discussion of advertising. Nor does advertising seem to be the sort of topic that clearly and unarguably fits into any currently existing group. Political advertising does not really come under the heading of business; business advertising concerns aren't really the concerns of academic social theorists such as Marshall McLuhan, or formal media studies such as semiotics; semiotics isn't really a burning concern in actual advertising practice as we see it on the Net or the Web; controversies over advertising on the Net and the Web rarely examine social, economic, or psychological effects of advertising on other mass media; many business, marketing, sales, and advertising practices overlap, yet have distinct techniques, personnel, practices, and areas of concentration; and so on, and so on. In short, advertising is a unified topic, but not one that fits cleanly, appropriately, and indisputably, into any of the current groups. Therefore, given the numbers of people involved and interested, and the lack of a clear current home, it seems a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of advertising would be an appropriate and substantive addition to USENET. CHARTER: misc.business.advertising misc.business.advertising is a moderated newsgroup for those interested in discussions of all aspects of advertising, whether from a business, cultural, professional, or academic standpoint, or as it impacts on society, media, psychology, politics, or cyberspace. misc.business.advertising will have an active moderator. The responsibility of the active moderator will be to screen postings to the newsgroup, and to eliminate the following: 1. Articles that are of an exclusively commercial nature -- misc.business.advertising is intended to provide a place to discuss advertising: it is not intended as a location to place advertisements; advertisements as such are prohibited, except in the instance when elements of such are used as examples and illustrations in discussion. 2. Articles that have no relevance to the subject of advertising or to the advertising community -- articles on business, marketing, or sales, in those many instances where it relates to advertising, are (by way of example) welcome; but articles on business, marketing, or sales that have no relation to advertising whatsoever are not encouraged; similiarly, at the moderator's discretion, brief notices of relevant events, publications, seminars, workshops, and the like, may be considered -- again, if they are pertinent to the issues being discussed, or to the reading community. 3. Articles that contain exceptionally obscene language or extreme personal abuse. In the rare instance of an article submission that combines both obscene or abusive language with valuable and substantive comment, the moderator at his or her discretion may either reject the article in toto, or -- if the author of the article agrees to it -- simply remove the offensive words or passages. The moderator may not arbitrarily revise or edit submitted articles, however, nor post articles without the consent of the poster. A moderator who does remove obscene or inflammatory material from a post under the above conditions must explicitly state that he or she has done so. 4. Articles that are cross-posted, or that are clearly copyrighted material. Continual and repeated abuse of the above guidelines may result in the dismissal of all future articles sent by the abuser. The moderator will not screen postings for intellectual content nor for argumentative substance. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.business.advertising Moderator: David Pascal Administrative contact address: pascal@vivanet.com Article submission address: adsubmis@vivanet.com The proponent will initially serve as sole moderator of the proposed newsgroup. Additional associate moderators will be recruited as workload and circumstances dictate. END MODERATOR INFO. misc.business.advertising Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ abouchar@gte.net Arthur Bouchard ae446@freenet.carleton.ca Nigel Allen ag414@freenet.carleton.ca Colin R. Leech alana@crl.com Alana Jordan albion@access.digex.net Albion M. Zeglin (Voice O'Limbo) allmedia@cris.com S. Alles arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva arnie@iastate.edu Arnold R. Cowan awaken2@aol.com Awaken2 Backwrite@aol.com bostrows@luna.cas.usf.edu Ben Ostrowsky CarinaR1@aol.com carrollw@cadvision.com cashmore@ix.netcom.com Glenn Cashmore cbonney@infi.net Christopher F. Bonney dannyp@sky.net Danny Porter davida@jdc.org.il The Chocolate Lady (Davida Chazan) Davpascal@aol.com denman@pipeline.com Denman Maroney DEWillis@aol.com DMcElvein@aol.com dpf@ihug.co.nz David Farrar DruidHere@aol.com DUFFYM@APSU01.APSU.EDU elliemk@pobox.com elliemk forsuens@flash.net Anastasia Suen gcf@panix.com G*rd*n genie@panix.com Andy Finkenstadt gerits@nijenrode.nl John Gerits gflowers@micron.net Gary Flowers ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory G. Woodbury henusetd@cadvision.com Donna hgvetter@iAmerica.net Houston or Gerhard Vetter ikellenb@iiic.ethz.ch Ivan Kellenberger jdg@rahul.net John David Galt jeffress@utw.com Terry L. Jeffress jkokis@oise.utoronto.ca Judite Kokis JONOW@io-online.com JONOW jpaik@interlog.com Jason Paikowsky jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark jptucson@azstarnet.com John Pederson julesd@fwb.gulf.net Jules Dubois KATYMUNGER@aol.com kendueck@adnet.demon.co.uk Ken Dueck kick@vcn.bc.ca Greg Webster kilburn@pobox.com David Kilburn kim@visi.net Kim Osborne kimketo@sol.utu.fi Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 555 5508 kohlemeyer@atkinson.com Ken Ohlemeyer ktreat~@wam.umd.edu Kathy Treat KVOSK@aol.com lunar@voicenet.com Brian Pomeroy mark@automedia.com mark evans mda@weeklyb.com Matt Alberts MICHEL.VANGALEN@wkap.nl MICHEL VAN GALEN MindsEye@ghgcorp.com Ken Jenks mrauterkus@pittsburgh.net Server1 MSimpson@Dallas.BBADV.Com Mack Simpson mwachtel@tpcgi.com melinda wachtel naddy@mips.pfalz.de Christian Weisgerber nat@nataa.fr.eu.org Nat Makarevitch neilham@magna.com.au Neil Stollznow neurolog_@msn.com JGMR newcastle.pi@ukonline.co.uk Npwest@aol.com oncue@earthlink.net Les Beigel paraman@ix.gen.com Joe L. Harris phil.alexander@sympatico.ca Phil Alexander pioneer@sover.net Alice Esposito Raphael.Quinet@eed.ericsson.se Raphael Quinet rbharper@together.net Dick Harper richsong@vcn.bc.ca Richard Songhurst rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller rios@pacbell.net Franco/Tracy Rios RobFrankel@aol.com Rob Frankel ronnie.grant@mogur.com Ronnie Grant sherrie.noname@internetmci.com Barry simon@pathcom.com Jane Parker & Simon Elliott Parker smile-doc@why.net The Smile Doctors soos@soos.com Richard Soos srm@mint.net SRM, Publisher sugarman@world.std.com Steven Garman Syburrnaut@aol.com Takemmy@aol.com targtmktgcom@juno.com L. E. Duncan tomlogan@loop.com Tom Logan tony@PINmail.com Tony treebr@inch.com michael muller tvujec@srce.hr Tomislav Vujec vrurbach@optran.com Victor Urbach writstar@wi.net Mike Starr Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ bonine@huitzilo.tezcat.com Steve Bonine booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda cmmoore1@mindspring.com Claude Moore jsi@idiom.com Michael Craft khan@cs.nyu.edu Hasnain Khan kimdv@netcom.com Kim DeVaughn lcs@zk3.dec.com Larry Smith marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez MRROWWW@aol.com msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 mtpins@isca.uiowa.edu Michael T Pins nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman nick@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti pierre@rahul.net Pierre Uszynski ramana@ecf.toronto.edu Ganapathiraju Sree Ramana Gopal schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de Georg Schwarz shrao@nyx.net Shrisha Rao stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown