From kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu Mon Sep 27 10:46:54 1993 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:885 news.groups:22009 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:8101 comp.os.msdos.apps:1199 comp.os.msdos.misc:1293 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc Path: rpi!tale From: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu (Bob Kusumoto) Subject: CFD: comp.os.msdos.dv Followup-To: news.groups Sender: tale@cs.rpi.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: University of Chicago Date: 21 Feb 91 02:52:19 GMT Approved: tale@rpi.edu Lines: 56 Since I haven't heard anything about the previous CFD and never saw a followup CFV for a desqview group, I'd like to announce a call for discussion over a desqview group. Basically, this group should be able to discuss the Desqview program and user problems using Desqview, or additional programs that help desqview, namely QEMM and QRAM. Currently, questions about problems with Desqview, QEMM, and QRAM are spread accross a number of different news groups, ranging from comp.sys.ibm.pc groups and comp.so.msdos groups, to some other groups like comp.protocols groups. A central newsgroup to discuss problems using either the DV, QEMM, or QRAM programs and upcoming information about new releases such as Desqview/X would help users a lot. This group should be unmoderated. A few questions that should be answered before a call to votes: a) whether such a group should be created. b) what the group should really be called. c) if the charter should be limited even more. A) Should this group be created? Considering the number of messages that I've seen about QEMM problems or help with getting some program to work under desqview, a group like this should exist. In addition, there's some interest in the upcoming release of Desqview/X and I'm sure many people would like to know more about the program and hear from people who've gotten it to work. These kinds of discussions would benefit from a central newsgroup to post to. B) What should the group be called? C) What should the scope of the group be? I'm partial to comp.os.msdos.dv, although it can probably fall under a couple other names depending on the scope of the group. We could call it comp.windows.dv or something similar and limit the topics to the Desqview program and Desqview386 (DV+QEMM) or DV+QRAM. A spin off group might be created, comp.windows.x.dv to talk about Desqview/X. comp.os.msdos.dv seems like a good name if people needed help with specific problems that aren't limited strictly to the desqview program (maybe comp.os.msdos.qd, but I don't like the idea of attaching a commercial company (Quarterdeck) to a newsgroup name). The choice of names would in some ways, limit the scope of the discussion in the group. any thoughts? (followups to news.groups) Bob -- Bob Kusumoto | I just come from the land of Internet: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu | the sun/ from a war that must Bitnet: kusumoto%chsun1@uchicago[.bitnet] | be won in the name of truth. UUCP: ...!{oddjob,gargoyle}!chsun1!kusumoto | - New Order, "Love Vigilantes" -- (setq mail '("tale@rpi.edu" "uupsi!rpi!tale" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet")) From kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu Wed Apr 5 19:27:43 1995 Xref: rpi news.groups:23518 news.announce.newgroups:981 comp.os.msdos.apps:1502 comp.os.msdos.misc:1623 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:7365 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:9327 comp.windows.ms:11257 Newsgroups: news.groups,news.announce.newgroups,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.windows.ms Path: rpi!bounce-back From: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu (Bob Kusumoto) Subject: CFV: comp.os.msdos.desqview Followup-To: poster Sender: tale@cs.rpi.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: University of Chicago Date: 25 Mar 91 03:41:21 GMT Approved: tale@rpi.edu Lines: 38 This is a call for votes on the creations of the group: comp.os.msdos.desqview This will be an unmoderate group dedicated to discussion of DesqView product and related products, such as QEMM and QRAM memory managers. Topics such as how to get such and such a program to work under desqview, the new version of desqview coming out called DesqView/X, or how to get QEMM or QRAM to behave properly are just some of the areas this group will cover. The voting will start midnight CST on Monday, March 25, 1991 and continue through 23:59 CST on Thursday, April 25, 1991. No votes will be accepted outside this period. All votes for the creation of this newsgroup as named and defined should mail your votes to: yes@chsun1.uchicago.edu while all votes against should be mailed to: no@chsun1.uchicago.edu Only votes emailed to these addresses will be accepted. Please place the following in the subject line to confirm your vote: comp.os.msdos.desqview: YES vote comp.os.msdos.desqview: NO vote Unlike the old Chicago saying, "vote early, vote often", you only get one vote. Bob -- Bob Kusumoto | I just come from the land of Internet: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu | the sun/ from a war that must Bitnet: kusumoto%chsun1@uchicago[.bitnet] | be won in the name of truth. UUCP: ...!{oddjob,gargoyle}!chsun1!kusumoto | - New Order, "Love Vigilantes" From kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu Mon Sep 11 16:16:19 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1085 news.groups:25405 comp.os.msdos.apps:1853 comp.os.msdos.misc:1932 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:8628 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:10926 comp.windows.ms:12533 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.windows.ms Path: rpi!bounce-back From: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu (Bob Kusumoto) Subject: RESULT: comp.os.msdos.desqview passes 219: 30 Followup-To: news.groups Sender: tale@cs.rpi.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: Chapin Hall Center for Children Date: 27 Apr 91 04:55:01 GMT Approved: tale@rpi.edu Lines: 275 Status: RO X-Status: comp.os.msdos.desqview group passed 219 YES votes to 30 NO votes. Several votes were disqualified (all YES votes) due to a) not sending to the proper address, b) looked like a bounced mail message, or c) came in too late. Two YES votes were counted (listed at the end of the YES acks) and could be disqualified if they are really the same person. This shouldn't really matter since there are more than enough YES votes over NO votes to create the group. comp.os.msdos.desqview will be an unmoderated group devoted to the Quarterdeck product DesqView and related products (such as QEMM and QRAM, two memory managers used frequently with DesqView). Topics of discussion can range >from how to fine tune desqview for such and such a product and getting the memory managers to work correctly, to discussions about upcoming updates such as the long awaited DesqView/X product. Voting started midnight CST March 25, 1991 and continued until midnight CDT April 25, 1991. the following people have voted YES: "C. Carlson" "Carl M. Kadie" "Chris Webster" "James D. Burnell, WVU Student" "Jim - MLO5-2/A12 - node MAST::" "JOHN R. LEWIS, PH.D." "M.S. JANSSON" "Michael K. Carmel" "Scott A. Laird" 6600prao%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) A4422DAB%AWIUNI11.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU Alan McAdoo alberta!agt!agt-gw!jboryne (Jim Borynec) alberto@cs.UMD.EDU (Jose Alberto Fernadez R.) Allan Poindexter ames!amdcad!netcom.com!aahz@handies.UCAR.EDU (Aahzmandius) anacapa!greg@nosc.mil (Gregory K. Ramsey) ancollar@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Alan Collard) Andy Newcomb andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) appel@scam.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) atbull!ee@relay.EU.net (Erwin Eder) aversa%itsictp.bitnet@ICNUCEVM.CNUCE.CNR.IT a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (arthur rubin) BAMcleod%UNCAMULT.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU banner@Mitel.COM (Ross Bannerman - infotech) BCHS1B%jetson.uh.edu@UCHIMVS1.UCHICAGO.EDU Billy Yow 283-4009 Blair Capes Bob Sloane bodoh%garfield.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu bryan@devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Bryan L. Allen) BURRILL@cs.umass.EDU bussiere@DMI.USherb.CA (Luc Bussieres) caadams@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Kenny Adams) Camera@cup.portal.com camerond@ecr.mu.oz.au (The Scarlet Pimpernel) castrov!wuth@ajfcal.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Brett Wuth) ccdps@lux.sait.edu.au (ccdps) Charlie Kestner Christopher Bryden church@wsl.dec.com CLAUDE%BROWNVM.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU Colin Perrott count!chip@uunet.UU.NET (Chip Salzenberg) craig@med.unc.edu (Ron Craig) CSP1DWD%MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU CZTF%MUSICA.MCGILL.CA@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU danj1@ihlpz.att.com Darren Reiniger dave@sgl.ists.ca (David Baer) David Boyer David Neal Miller DAVID%KSUVM.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU dcd@tc.fluke.com (David Dyck) dcdeno@robotics.berkeley.edu (D. Curtis Deno) dean%suvm.acs.syr.edu@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU deitch@gisatl.fidnet.org (David Deitch) derek@foster.actrix.gen.nz (Derek Foster) Don Hosek drezac@dcsc.dla.mil (Duane L. Rezac) dvc@hrmso.att.com ec@cimage.com (Iain O'Cain/10000) ednor!cgf@uunet.UU.NET (Chris Faylor) enkil!brian@uunet.UU.NET feg@dodger.att.com (Forrest Gehrke) FILCE%CALSTATE.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU flintw@CORRAL.UWyo.Edu (Flint G Waters) fontana@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Josep M. Fontana) forrest@sybase.com (Jon Forrest) fritchie@acc.stolaf.edu G.L.Sjoberg@cc.flinders.edu.au Gary Brainin gary@mips.com (Gary Hagensen) georg@sgl.ists.ca (Georg Feil) GILF%HUJIVMS.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU GJOEN_G%CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU Glenn Forbes Larratt grantham@math.lsa.umich.edu Gregg Kishida GREVE%DBNPIB5.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU gt2327c@prism.gatech.edu halcyon!ralphs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Ralph Sims) harold@groucho.dev.uga.edu (Harold Pritchett) hartnegg@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Klaus Hartnegg) HARTWD%SLUVCA.SLU.EDU@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU hgv@anubis.network.com (Harry G. Varnis) IACWSW%ASUACAD.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU Iain_Cockburn@mtsg.ubc.ca id8rld06@fiu.edu (Michael N Johnston) iga@vector.msk.su (Igor V. Semenyuk) irfan@pluto.dss.com (Syed Mohammad Irfan Ashraf) James Drew Paterson james f clark James Hammond James Mehl james@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (James Jones) jasmin@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Claude Jasmin) jasonc@leland.stanford.edu Jay Maynard jbrandt@daimi.aau.dk Jeff Sicherman jerry@cindy.Altos.COM (Jerry Gardner) Jim Celoni Jim Golden Jim Stoner jlawson%emily.UVM.EDU@griffin.UVM.EDU (Jim A Lawson) jmiller@UCSD.EDU (Jeff Miller) John Valentich John_Omielan@mtsg.ubc.ca jpd@pc.usl.edu (Dugal James P.) jpn@genrad.com (John P. Nelson) jvp@genrad.com (Jim V. Potter) jwhite@com2serv.c2s.mn.org (Jeff White) kelley@flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (Steve Kelley) kendall@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Stephen P Kendall) Kevin Crocker Kevin Jameson Kevin Martin kfitzger.llnl-epd@handoff.llnl.gov (Kirk Fitzgerald) Klaus Ruff kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken McVay) Kresten Krab Thorup Kurt Ernulf kxb@math.ksu.edu (Karl Buck) lae@enos.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Larry Enos x5572) lfk@eastman1.MIT.EDU (Lee F. Kolakowski) ljwilson@utkux1.utk.edu (L. Jack Wilson) lsuc!array!rob@cs.toronto.edu (Rob Marchand) lsuc!ontmoh!rwh@cs.toronto.edu lwm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Lloyd W. Massengill) markj@amc.com (Mark Johns) MARRIN%SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli) Martin.Scharnke@comp.vuw.ac.nz mcastle@cs.umr.edu mcclure@sun1.is.battelle.org mds@cs.duke.edu (Mark David Shattuck) merlin@ieee.org (Burt Juda) mh@ms.appstate.edu (Mark Harris) Michael Barton Michael Golan Michael J Flory Michael J Harlow Mike Foreman mindlink!Jono_Moore (Jono Moore) mog7121@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Morris.Orzech%QueensU.CA@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU mrgnstrn@nexus.yorku.ca (Stephanie Morgenstern) msb@ecemw7.ncsu.edu (Mark S. Basel) mtheil@quink.in-berlin.de (Matthias Theil) Nenad Ciric neuman%kean.ucs.mun.ca@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU noelroy%kean.ucs.mun.ca@UCHIMVS1.UCHICAGO.EDU ofer@genius.tau.ac.il (Ofer Lapid 4X6OJ) OPDOC%UVMVM.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU Pete Stern peterson@choctaw.csc.ti.com (Bob Peterson) Phil Kemp PIM%HROEUR51.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU psmith@ecn.purdue.edu (Paul F Smith) Ralf.Brown@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU raymond!terry@galaxia.newport.ri.us (Terry Raymond) rdp1!uncw!blancha@uunet.uu.net (Chris Blanchard) reid@ctc.contel.com (Tom Reid x4505) Rene van den Assem REZAC@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Rich Wales Richard H. Miller Robert A. Burrow Robert John Knaack Robert S larson robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Robert Meunier/Hydro-Quebec/QC/Canada 514-652-8516) Roger Fulton Ron Dippold x5528 C-137 Ron Efrati rose@cs.wisc.edu (Jody Foster) rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca (Richard Reiner) rubble!chris (Chris Nitsopoulos) rubin@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Don Rubin) rv401@foster.actrix.gen.nz (Damian) s897052@otto.bf.rmit.OZ.AU (King TING) s907396@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Miramar [Eugene Mok]) sandia!marms@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Mike Arms) sboucher@info.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher (PFE)) SCEF0003%WSUVM1.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU Scott Barnes Shaun Case Shelby Brumelle sigurgoj@tharkas.is (Sigurgeir Jonsson) spit@neuro.duke.edu (Michael Burdick) splin@robotics.berkeley.edu (Steven Lin) srg!godbey@uunet.UU.NET (Nick Godbey x4525 Home 268-8538) STUECKLE%DFRRUF1.BITNET@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU techsup!admin!FREDG.DSD-1@rwsys.lonestar.org (FREDG) Ted Richards telxon!garyh@uunet.UU.NET (Gary Helander) teradyne!barajas@zehntel.com (Albert Barajas) Terje Th|gersen Terry Guswell tjc@acsu.buffalo.edu (thomas j corsalini) Tony Nicholson Tony Wilson toye@sunrise.stanford.edu (George Toye) tran@sun-valley.stanford.edu utdoe!contact!aardvark@zoo.toronto.edu (joe) valley@gsbsun.Uchicago.EDU (Doug Dougherty) Vampires R Us w8sdz@rigel.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) wagner@chepil.weru.ksu.edu (Larry Wagner) WARNOCK@STARS.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Any noun can be verbed) westk@cgrb.orst.edu (Ken West - Entomology) WOC Bob Powers xanadu!thelema!STella@uunet.uu.net "Norman Miller" nmiller@mstr.hgc.edu (norman miller) the following people voted NO: "Todd L. Masco" ado@elsie.nci.nih.gov (Arthur David Olson) Bill Wisner cdr@AMD.COM (Carl Rigney) charleen@ads.com (Charleen Bunjiovianna Stoner) ctuel@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Cliff Tuel) david@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (David Robinson) Dick Dunn eleveld@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Insane Hermit) hooft@fys.ruu.nl (Rob Hooft) Ilhamuddin Ahmed jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F Haugh II) Jim Roche jnoh@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jay W. Noh) ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn) laura@techbook.com (Laura Gillespie) mackac@infonode.ingr.com (Audrey C Mack) MLORD%BNR.CA@UCHIMVS1.Uchicago.EDU palmer@hsi86.hsi.com (Mike Palmer) pictel!roadrunner!geiser@uunet.UU.NET (Wayne Geiser) rducky!jrp@polyslo.calpoly.edu (JIM PICKERING) rob@genrad.com (Robert S. Wood) Robert Craig Harman rsk@juniper.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) rudolf@curano.imp.com (Rudolf Kuenzli) Scott Barman Sean Doran shmulevi@cs.tut.fi (Ilya Shmulevich) supple@ecn.purdue.edu (Murray R Supple) -- Bob Kusumoto | I just come from the land of Internet: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu | the sun/ from a war that must Bitnet: kusumoto%chsun1@uchicago[.bitnet] | be won in the name of truth. UUCP: ...!{oddjob,gargoyle}!chsun1!kusumoto | - New Order, "Love Vigilantes"