From hpa@nwu.edu Mon Sep 20 18:28:19 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads,alt.config,comp.bbs.misc Subject: RFD: comp.bbs.lists, comp.bbs.lists.d, comp.bbs.ads Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 Sep 1993 12:00:08 -0400 Organization: Hierarchial directory structure Lines: 35 Sender: tale@rodan.UU.NET Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4059 news.groups:82379 alt.bbs.lists:3827 alt.bbs.ads:4551 alt.config:20429 comp.bbs.misc:5003 The is a Request for Discussion for one or more mainstream groups to replace the current alt.bbs.lists, alt.bbs.lists.d, and alt.bbs.ads. The discussion period initiated by this RFD expires Oct 16, 1993. By USENET standard guidelines, all discussion should take place in news.groups, and followups are redirected there. Assuming that a mainstream group is desirable in the first place, there are a couple of things to iron out: 1. A single unmoderated comp.bbs.lists, or a moderated comp.bbs.lists with an unmoderated comp.bbs.lists.d associated group. Either of these alternatives would replace alt.bbs.lists and alt.bbs.lists.d. The charter for comp.bbs.lists would be something similar to: * Edited lists and directories of computer bulletin boards. The charter for comp.bbs.lists.d would be similar to: * Discussion about and requests for lists and directories of computer bulletin boards. If a moderated comp.bbs.lists were to be created, I would be willing to serve as moderator and archiver of the group. 2. If we should create a comp.bbs.ads group to replace the current alt.bbs.ads, or if ads should be carried in comp.bbs.lists.d or even comp.bbs.misc, or if alt.bbs.ads should be retained as an alt group. The charter for comp.bbs.ads would be similar to: * Advertisements for computer bulletin boards. -- INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu FINGER/TALK: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu IBM MAIL: I036073 at IBMMAIL NeXTMAIL: hpa@speedy.acns.nwu.edu ANMDRKNING: Heja Sverige friskt humvr! EG vdntar utanfvr! Most inappropriatly named startup command, winner: Microsoft Windows From hpa@nwu.edu Fri Oct 15 10:30:13 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads,alt.config,comp.bbs.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.bbs.info Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Oct 1993 21:13:57 -0400 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Lines: 30 Sender: tale@rodan.UU.NET Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4162 news.groups:84564 alt.bbs.lists:4035 alt.bbs.ads:4755 alt.config:21318 comp.bbs.misc:5381 This is a second RFD on the proposal to move alt.bbs.lists, alt.bbs.lists.d and alt.bbs.ads into the mainstream. There has been a consensus that a moderated group for generalized BBS information would be more beneficial, and hence this is a second RFD for remainder of the discussion period, which expires Oct 20 (30 days after the posting of RFD #1). A *proposed* charter for the group follows; further discussion is referred to news.groups. comp.bbs.info: A moderated group for informational postings regarding electronic bulletin board systems (BBS's). Such postings include lists of BBS's from around the world, non-commercial BBS advertisements (within reasonable limits) and official information >from BBS software authors and publishers that can be assumed are of general interest are not just advertisements. What constitutes a non-commercial BBS and within what limits BBS advertisements and software information will be published is at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may appoint co-moderators and/or a successor as he or she sees fit. In case the moderator leaves the group without appointing a successor, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups may appoint a successor. -- INTERNET: hpa@nwu.edu FINGER/TALK: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu IBM MAIL: I036073 at IBMMAIL NeXTMAIL: hpa@speedy.acns.nwu.edu ANMDRKNING: Heja Sverige friskt humvr! EG vdntar utanfvr! Most inappropriatly named startup command, winner: Microsoft Windows From rdippold@qualcomm.com Mon Oct 25 19:21:53 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads,alt.config,comp.bbs.misc Subject: CFV: comp.bbs.info Followup-To: poster Date: 25 Oct 1993 19:00:42 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 55 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 16 Nov 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4194 news.groups:85747 alt.bbs.lists:4118 alt.bbs.ads:4841 alt.config:21675 comp.bbs.misc:5651 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.bbs.info Newsgroups line: comp.bbs.info Information about electronic Bulletin Board Systems. Votes must be recieved by 15 Nov 1993, 23:59:59 UTC. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group, contact Peter Anvin . The moderator would be Peter Anvin , and the moderation address would be . CHARTER comp.bbs.info: A moderated group for informational postings regarding electronic bulletin board systems (BBS's). Such postings include lists of BBS's from around the world, non-commercial BBS advertisements (within reasonable limits) and official information >from BBS software authors and publishers that can be assumed are of general interest are not just advertisements. What constitutes a non-commercial BBS and within what limits BBS advertisements and software information will be published is at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may appoint co-moderators and/or a successor as he or she sees fit. In case the moderator leaves the group without appointing a successor, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups may appoint a successor. STANDARD VOTING INFO You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to voting@qualcomm.com (just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.bbs.info or I vote NO on comp.bbs.info Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may also send an "abstain" vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no". The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation. Read news.groups for more information on group creation. From rdippold@qualcomm.com Tue Nov 2 15:34:07 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads,alt.config,comp.bbs.misc Subject: CFV: comp.bbs.info Followup-To: poster Date: 1 Nov 1993 15:18:38 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 63 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 16 Nov 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4222 news.groups:86412 alt.bbs.lists:4167 alt.bbs.ads:4922 alt.config:21875 comp.bbs.misc:5809 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.bbs.info Newsgroups line: comp.bbs.info Information about electronic Bulletin Board Systems. Votes must be recieved by 15 Nov 1993, 23:59:59 UTC. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group, contact Peter Anvin . The moderator would be Peter Anvin , and the moderation address would be . CHARTER comp.bbs.info: A moderated group for informational postings regarding electronic bulletin board systems (BBS's). Such postings include lists of BBS's from around the world, non-commercial BBS advertisements (within reasonable limits) and official information >from BBS software authors and publishers that can be assumed are of general interest are not just advertisements. What constitutes a non-commercial BBS and within what limits BBS advertisements and software information will be published is at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may appoint co-moderators and/or a successor as he or she sees fit. In case the moderator leaves the group without appointing a successor, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups may appoint a successor. STANDARD VOTING INFO You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to voting@qualcomm.com (just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on comp.bbs.info or I vote NO on comp.bbs.info Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may also send an "abstain" vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no". The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation. Read news.groups for more information on group creation. Acks to the following have bounced. You do not need to vote again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ache@astral.msk.su blip%uublip.UUCP msmith@unislc.slc.unisys.com phoffman@netcom.com From rdippold@qualcomm.com Tue Nov 16 16:43:22 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.ads,alt.config,comp.bbs.misc Subject: RESULT: comp.bbs.info fails 108:18 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 16 Nov 1993 14:22:54 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 178 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4290 news.groups:87887 alt.bbs.lists:4306 alt.bbs.ads:5069 alt.config:22220 comp.bbs.misc:6114 moderated group comp.bbs.info vote results - 126 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 108 18 : Yes No : No : comp.bbs.info 1 invalid votes Thus the group fails to pass by a margin of ten votes. It may be voted on again after six months. Newsgroups line: comp.bbs.info Information about electronic Bulletin Board Systems. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group, contact Peter Anvin . CHARTER comp.bbs.info: A moderated group for informational postings regarding electronic bulletin board systems (BBS's). Such postings include lists of BBS's from around the world, non-commercial BBS advertisements (within reasonable limits) and official information >from BBS software authors and publishers that can be assumed are of general interest are not just advertisements. What constitutes a non-commercial BBS and within what limits BBS advertisements and software information will be published is at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may appoint co-moderators and/or a successor as he or she sees fit. In case the moderator leaves the group without appointing a successor, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups may appoint a successor. The moderator would be Peter Anvin , and the moderation address would be . comp.bbs.info group vote Final Vote Ack Yes Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ aaronrp@netcom.com Aaron Priven ache@astral.msk.su Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage ad@cat.de Axel Dunkel ae446@freenet.carleton.ca Nigel Allen al175974@academ01.mty.itesm.mx SERGIO ANDRES CAMARENA MARTINEZ alanc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU Alan Coopersmith amc@cup.portal.com Annef@dmp.csiro.au arnow@magellan.Colorado.EDU ARNOW JAMES DAVID asims@pacs.pha.pa.us Ause Sims ault@cs.albany.edu avildar@cyb.fred.com Avildar the Slightly Stupid barone@gepi.ing.uniroma1.it Giovanni Barone biddleco@bcf.usc.edu Susan Biddlecomb blip%uublip.UUCP Brant L. Pellett bmurray@umr.edu Benjamin Murray cambler@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu Chris_Marble@hmc.edu Chris Marble chua@badlands.NoDak.edu Chua cmfrank@husc.harvard.edu collinf@uidaho.edu Collin Forbes cpcpb@groper.jcu.edu.au Christopher P Brent cyborg@wintermute.fullerton.edu Christopher I Morton d.greenberger@cornell.edu David Greenberger davidm@VFL.Paramax.COM davidsen@tmr.com Bill Davidsen decvax!av8r!tcharron@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com Thomas Charron dig@pro-cynosure.clark.net Doug Granzow dmurphy@cwa.COM Dan Murphy dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz Kennelmeister elandal@archtwr.tower.nullnet.fi Ismo Peltonen emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca eric@nermal.santarosa.edu Eric Eisenhart ERIK@ACSPR1.acs.brockport.edu ewing@nlm.nih.gov Mike Ewing fleming@snfma1.if.usp.br Henrique Fleming {F} franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C Franklin fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P Ryan gberigan@cse.unl.edu greg berigan gdchang@ccgate.dp.beckman.com Gabriel D Chang genes@npg-sd.scrippsranchca.NCR.COM GOMES@amc.uva.nl Paul Gomes, Academic Medical Centre, Amsterdam grantham@joe.math.uga.edu Jon Grantham handy@indirect.com Randy Braa - Data Pacific Corporation hewitt@cs.Buffalo.EDU Lynne Hewitt hoffmann@sci.ccny.cuny.edu Nicholas Hoffmann hpa@nwu.edu H. Peter Anvin N9ITP hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Matt Hucke ian@unipalm.co.uk Ian Phillipps idbremne@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA Ian David Bremner ilixi@tezcat.chi.il.us Charles Macmillan jol@csn.org Joe O'Laughlin jon-jay@color.ithaca.ny.us Jonathan Wanagel jpost@NKI.NL jrm@globalvillag.com John "Rings of Saturn" MacWilliamson js@digibank.demon.co.uk John Stonier kenji@k2r.or.jp Kenji Rikitake KGRAFF@delphi.com knudson@cs.UND.NoDak.Edu Chad Knudson konrad@mace.cc.purdue.edu Bill Konrad krussell@abacus.bates.edu Kenney Russell kzinti@platte.unk.edu L15D@ZFN.uni-Bremen.de Martin Schr"oder lboucher@CS-ACAD-LAN.LakeheadU.CA leather@phobos.actrix.gen.nz The Leather Goddess lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu sometimes a Wombat lonadar@judy.indstate.edu Lonadar the Wanderer m.purcell@pos.apana.org.au Mark Purcell mdbaker@Trade-Zone.msfc.nasa.gov Mitchell D. Baker NTI melo@neb.com Ruben Melo mepp1@gl.umbc.edu Nyctophile MIKEJON@delphi.com MIKEMCGUIRE@delphi.com mkhan@nyx10.cs.du.edu Mohammad Khan mom@apl.washington.edu Michael Mathewson msmith@unislc.slc.unisys.com Matt Smith muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff nick@deepserv.gen.nz Nick Warburton palmerm@CERF.NET L. Merrill Palmer peterson@csc.ti.com Bob Peterson phoffman@netcom.com Paul E. Hoffman quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn rcasey@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu rhys@cs.uq.oz.au Richard_Blumberg@pol.com rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller roshne@faerun.mi.org Rod Shelton roy@sendai.cybrspc.mn.org Roy M. Silvernail RSXQBS@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com rufinus@vsuw03.cern.ch JEFFREY RUFINUS, U.WISCONSIN - CERN rzy@dasc.nl shiell@rpi.edu Larry Shields simai@tpscad.tps.de Sassan Simai slm%svcs1.UUCP Steve Martindill sn03111@llwnet.ll.pbs.org Flushing HS steven.guralnick@toadhall.com Steven Guralnick stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz sward+@CMU.EDU David Reeve Sward thorn@amaretto.cc.mcgill.ca Ronald-Robert Hall thorsten@radar.mk.open.de Thorsten Kitz tusk@daimi.aau.dk Martin M|ller Pedersen vogon1!frackit!dave@cse.psu.edu Dave Ratcliffe WEASEL@holonet.net whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu William W. Hughes wilton@plaza.ds.adp.com Wilton L. Buffington yadallee@galcon.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Dave Yadallee zeta@tcscs.com Gregory Youngblood zigmunds@mii.lu.lv Zigmunds Vainers No Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ cestep@panix.com Chris Estep Derek@tdkt.kksys.com Derek Oldfather dmarcher@acsu.buffalo.edu gspear+@CMU.EDU Geoffrey Spear jeff@neon.rain.com Jeff Beadles jhs@cmsjhs.summit.ne.hcc.com Jeff Shapiro jik@security.ov.com Jonathan I. Kamens julian@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey revu@midway.uchicago.edu Sendhil "Mr. Bubbles" Revuluri root@belvedere.sbay.org David E. Fox SAAST8@vms.cis.pitt.edu scottk@utig.ig.utexas.edu Scott Kempf shane@spr.com Shane Hartman smarry@io.org Smarasderagd Draco srogers@tad.eds.com Steve Rogers Timo.Rinne@hut.fi Timo Rinne tkoppel@diana.cair.du.edu The Great and Powerful vince@halcyon.com Vince Skahan Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jrenals@balham.demon.co.uk James Renals ! No votes