First, this list should be a productive list for those interested in
contributing to making FAQ documents that answer real questions. This
is not a list for public ridicule of one another. Please do not try to
get in the "last word" as it only contributes to many more useless ones.
Second, what Chris is doing is a valuable service to the net. There is *NO*
reason for the massive postings that occur. If you are "targeting" a marketing
effort then there should not be hundreds or thousands of newsgroups seeing the
same message. The duplicated messages costs people time and money. Sure its
easy to do, but it is counter-productive to the message you are trying to get
out. Spams are a major wart on Usenet. I did not say "commercial postings"
are a wart. It is the hundreds of identical copies of the same message that
are at the center of the problem. Commercial postings to well thought out
newsgroups are actually appreciated by many. Spams are not. I personally
have posted commercial postings that were well received because I did my
homework about which groups were appropriate and carefully worded my message
to get across the proper message without insulting the intelligence of the
reader. Spams are not a marketing tool, they are the grafiti of Usenet.
Chris is just trying to clean the building for others passing by.
# Recently on the "FAQ Cancellation" issue, some of our friends start to
# discuss whether Chris Lewis is a rogue cancelor or not in this FAQ
# Maintainer mailing list.
Litmus test: If you consider Chris a "rogue canceller" then you have not been
around the net long. (As in less than two years...)
# Most important of all, I believe "FAQ-Maintainers@consensus.com" is
# a mailing list for FAQ maintainers on FAQ issues. I recommend we use
# private E-mails to exchange the views on spam cancellations. After
# all, this mailing list is not primarily for spam cancellation discussions.
This is identical to my beliefs as well. Let's see if we can follow the
above paragraph except as it directly effects FAQ Maintainers.
# (2) I am not in the news.answers moderation team. However, is the
# cancel command affecting the FTP/WWW archiving mechanism for the
# FAQ's?
One problem I encountered in the WWW archive here was that the software
used to repost the canceled FAQs did not take into consideration the
Auxiliary headers. This is what I mean. From the RTFM copy of the
motif-faq/part2...
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Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect
From: ksall@cen.com (Ken Sall)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.answers,news.answers
Subject: Motif FAQ (Part 2 of 9)
Supersedes: <motif-faq/part2_846758258@rtfm.mit.edu>
Followup-To: poster
Date: 7 Nov 1996 21:54:01 GMT
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Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU
Distribution: inet
Expires: 21 Dec 1996 21:46:20 GMT
Message-ID: <r.motif-faq/part2_847403180@rtfm.mit.edu>
References: <motif-faq/part1_847403180@rtfm.mit.edu>
Reply-To: ksall@cen.com (Ken Sall)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bloom-picayune.mit.edu
Keywords: FAQ question answer
X-Last-Updated: 1996/07/17
Originator: faqserv@bloom-picayune.MIT.EDU
X-Resurrected-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu comp.windows.x.motif:54508 comp.answers:22528 news.answers:87137
Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce for further information.
Archive-name: motif-faq/part2
Last-modified: JULY 14, 1996
Posting-Frequency: monthly
Organization: Century Computing, Inc. <URL: http://www.cen.com/>
Version: 5.3
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Notice the "Reposting article..." message and where it appears in the article.
Most archiving software is not recognizing the Auxiliary header section since
the Auxiliary header section is not in the right place. This is affecting
the index creation on my site since I parse information from the header and
auxiliary headers. I'm sure it's affecting other archives (they just might
not know it.)
At the end of this message is the list of FAQs I found this problem in.
# Doug from Dejanews once joked that I should refrain from posting
# something to give the hackers ideas. However, for the FAQ Maintainer
# mailing list, I thought the probability that this post falls to the
# wrong hands might be somewhat small. Besides, under current trends,
# I am afraid that eventually one day this will happen to us FAQ
# maintainers.
The mailing list archives are available to all via FTP... Don't worry about
giving people the wrong ideas. They can get plenty by simply looking at the
source to the various news transport/reader agents. Documentation describing
the entire process and its weaknesses have been available for many years in
the form of RFCs and drafts. True, this is something that needs to be dealt
with but this is the wrong forum to do it in.
Again, the only problem that I have with what Chris is doing is that he
needs to make his reposting software deal correctly with Auxiliary headers.
Other than that I applaud his efforts and would like to thank him for the
time he has taken to deal with the problem. Thanks Chris.
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