ot ess frisked up at KV Pointy prearranged schedule frco tho loot meetingoursh September by Roger and C. It was raining slightly and the pick-up cos effected with very great opeed with absolutely no-one in visible distance. It appears thats on ideal pick-up point. Thla la also Subject's opinion since hia accessibility to it from his on! ia also effective in hie ability to observe foot surveillance, and car surveillance ia iopoaaible aince he orosso3 tho footbriogo across tho Saine. It has been contemplated to establish an additional RV point which ia on the other aide of the Palais do Challlot. As soon as Subject was pickad up he alao expressed tho opinion that RV Pointhould be abandoned because on his laat approach thereto mYJE.'E had dropped hiu cff too close to the Soviet Embassy compound and Subject felt thathonoe someone in the future could spot him walking toward RV 2. oa ear Intention anyway, ao while driving to the aafe apartment, Rojcr deliberately drove slcoly by tbe new RV Pointhich, likeas thean tag ecus feature of net permitting car surveillanceist few hundred yards aroengthy staircase which thettrg case officcrcan observe throughout ita entire length prior to coet.nj Subject and eacorting him to the cor which willkodlevationbort distance away. At the end of the nee tin- SahfdOtff in tho area of hia hotel but ha waa accompanied by M. J. tnl "John" and again RV Pointas pointed out to him forrientation.
Subjoct orrived at theours. As ho arrived he mentior.adtuII'JUS was, aince he hadnd G. who were with "John" and L. drinking ooffoe on tha Champa Elyseea. Subject had walked by rrithout tr.ttin; or. eyelash. Thisortuitous drcu^atanco since it aervei as en ca in reverse to Subject to indicate hza easily he too can bo ipittsi by fcts i'.CI aurvaillants, G. explained to the other caset Subject's apprehension of RVhich
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we had Just dropped and mentioned hla orientation on RV Ho. 3 andthat on the return trip RVo pointed out again froca the passing ear from the other aide to bo euro Subject would know it thoroughly oven at night. Thla waa later done aa stated above.
H.t Tes, thisood thing and we have scrubbednyway. Subject wasketch of thoere he had just been and ho identified the exact location thereon. Subject then reported as followsi
S.i For the past twoavo spoken on each day to the Resident. Hia attitude to so ia very cordial and pleasant. Ee gave ao operational funds yesterday and offered eoaoould entertain ay contaota. He even invited ae to hiaill visit hia one of theseoo alao invited byK. lso spoke to GPJGORTYSV and FROKHORCV, who aaid that they would havo li'icd to hin invited ne but they cannotan neet then in the offiea eraottle of wine with them there. Thle is because the French aurvciilo Jl-so and this would be awkward. It la because they have. po=ltio:is. GR2GCRIYEV did not beoooo Captain 2nd rank yet, although l. hoe boon submitted. He isaptain 3rd rank.
G.: But you can visit thiand ethers Yes. Because hi has tha OOTirounselloran alao visit AXaRTBV ond KUDRYAVTSSV.
G. i Bhen will you visit OHSMSOZV?
S.i Ee didn't tell na vkvii yet, it could be for dinner during the day or in tho evaning. SCOT'S? alto invited me, be is the GRU officer who works in the group on seiensa and technology under KUORYAVTSZV. Andlso invited ua tc vizin en Sunday. Alsoavo toelegation of 1', necell vho have Just arrived. ill report to you on theaerssnt. Shay Just arrived todayavo rot cat thso yet.
S.; Let me say nov* chat iters of ortance cone out of rcy conversation. Tho GRU officersorhinj very actively in PARIS.
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The Rczident, AKAlfYEV ani KtCXKCROV all tola ma that one canoperations successfully here. Theare ineffectual (nekval* tsirovannyye) and in offeotnot exist. The Prench counter-int3lligence is very weakusrimitive canner. If we ever go out of towntheir surveillance car is right on our tail and will notmoreetres. Itemonstrativetown here although they watch us inassy and in ourfollow us it is no problem to break surveillance and we canas ne please. There aro Billions of handy places throughcan be shaken off. This is the evaluation of thethat they have given me. Itee tings, passage ofia no problem at all. Dead-drops are used very rarelyia so easy to make direct contact. PROXnOHOV said thatwith Turkey it is ruite simple to operate here. Theretwo'benrenchman directlyreports at once to Frer.eh counter-intelligence that ainterested in him. Us roport3 all conversations and allrequests made by the Fuosirn. Of course, when wo get areportarticular individual then procedure goes This is rrhsro cur Cor-iviist ecrirodes give us They both spot taryots for u3 end in rrany oases make Secondly it is difficult for us to getargetinterest unioso woernunist's assistanceor actually introducing tho target of interest. all contacts arera ir. rdRIS, the agents are calledsince it is so easyr)e
6. Tlhat is tho status of thaircccnlisk-stnt?
S.; They do not fulfil then in full but there is plenty of work to
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C.i TZhnt is the VO&XQ evaluation of their cork?
S.i They are not betna erlticised for not fulfillingBiasion and the work of the strategic intelligencePrance is considered to be an active an! useful one. Theyillegals In connection withant you to write this down.
.y jSiCKJ-ORCY asked itsver had run into YERtiOLEHKO. He was a
[f and an engineer by education who graduated from tho.
together with GRIGOR^fEV and ryaelf GRIGORtTEV told ne with absolute certainty that rSICOLXtTO was an illegal and that he ie now eitting in seme country to which he has been sent. Re ia alightly shorternd rather thin. Hearticularly good friend of GRIGORjiSV's, that is why GRIGORr/EV knows about him.
G.: How would GRIGO*knov that lERKOiaJXO ie an illegal?
S.i o knewcn we ware studying atD.A. and several nonths before our gradvation he was taken out of tornpecial safe house to be trained.
G.J He hasln here in France has he?
S.i Ho. He dc-ja DC* knc.-chare ho is.
C.: Tihatas hocialios in?
S.: His prime language waa English and French was hia aeoondary language. But of course Goi only knows hew hs nay have boon re-orientated later*
8. juiother inter.js.tin3 iter,dovotaila with theade earlier that the Residents are no longer the 'hMitary Attache, and that GRU officersirhorhan the Attache's officeeh;;ised by the fact ttat 'on.ecs not have an Assistant. Actually he is helped in hie work hlitsry Attache by other Attaches eueh aa by GRIGOR^dEVocont by FROKHOROV. Thia le because there are no otherht Others are all undor cover like LVZARGKUK. Just lookcs^arioon this is with the huge Military
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lso want to emphasise that on the sane second floor where tho GRU Rezidcnturo ia located, beyond the next partition is the KGB Residentura. Both are blocked off from othor, non-Intelligence offices. And one can use the far otairs or the steirs at tho right to go to tho second floor so that one can reach the GRU Rcridsntura at either end of its suite of rooms. usier eyetea to admit thea to their area. The cntiro area has been checked, rebuilt and made suitable for use as Becidcnturas. So much for that.
10, CH5REDEYEV must know1avo good standing with SEROV end ho is being very accommodating.
G.: How could ho know this?
S.i hink es the result cf his visits to IXSCOJ he knows that ny father-in-lawrjl, that ry distant relativeeneral andnov other Genarale, no receives ms much better than Lev did in LONDON.
G.i Tnon official cord arrived hereour TDY trip,the KGB heret to thii faot, whichith respect to their Pitching yeu. Wouldautomatically bo charethis, particularly since you have
cone alone and notocbeTelegation.
S.i Theoould certainly do this on their een decision and they would know about my arriving here eutc-aticolly. In addition,ave core myself endrevol doaaJOat that ia fairly high level, it would indicatenjoy the trust of tho organisation that sent mo anl of the Central Ceexittee, r, not only on their own part locally, but aa the resultirect oxdsr thay nay watch andeport on mo reflecting on my behaviour hexo. Bal thuaave not aeon any surveillance on mara chocking for it all the time. They do knowive and thay have ry telephone rsrlbar,
fi.j Of course, if yeuxsrz* delegation bore withzhox you were
involved, there couldo-opted 1C3 ir.forrant in theho
CCuld report on you.
S.: Irrespective of that and such an infomant's report, the local
KGB here would make their om report. Today, there axeargo number of Soviet* in PARIS due to the Exhibition that theyroblem watching everyono, but they did aak all about me at the Embassy. ' They do know from simple observation whatelong to aince they see withpe alt andisit at the Bobassy. At any rate my work and relations at the Embassy and at the Exhibition are getting along well.
equest your help in seeinganontaot in the electronics field sinoo both CHERZDSYSV, and ANAKTEV have aaked es that if poariblslease introduce then topecialisteave. They hope to getit of asaiatance from all others who corse hereo to help them fulfil their mission. They rrill adviso ma about my itinerary after tho Exhibition closes and of course their price interest ishould visit seme plants whioh arevith electronics and chemistry. So please help me to at leastittle bit here. avo given them another little package cf brochures and will givo them more later. The greatest interest cf ell for than la the firm BAGKEUX. You gave .mo two little items fren tMsxo old and they knew about it but the other one wasat indirect. Teat intcroota them most of all about this firm ia that it corks oxolusively on military orders. Ko Soviets are permitted to visit thio firm. In ths past tho few who did visit wero guided to one sideo given no brochures. They don't evenatalogue of this firm. Thoy requested ko toatalogue ao they couldat the firm is manufacturing. Sinea it iaestrictive firm, thoro is certainly" no point for me to go there since for ma to Ducoood in this would look vary unusual,arn traveller in Pronei. ew brochures frees there would be most valuableould gat tfcaa through 0Mm% orhlE. Another firm of interest to them vcosc catalogues you havo given ma, is the firm ACTA.
t Ho it, nith respect torill represent him asof WYNNE'seed basic background information id not write it down. o not think it wise bomeet anyone in the Bibacsy persorially, aftor all he isbusinessman and roprcsontative here andurecan get some materials through him, acme contaotsillup that way, and that is all. With respect to White1 have kept away from all of them who aro visitinghere, evenad many opportunitics to meet thea. Andalso stay array from them ho re int ia better that way.
G.l Rait and see to whom HOOK introduces you and when you go on your trip you may meet peoplo.
S.i eed is some baalo data on HOOK aoan report on him in teras of who ha is in cent act with and where he works buto not offer himassible contact, they will leave him alcno.
now lcokad through his many pieoes of paper and notes"Please write this dc.rr. Tha Chief of tho HITCURISTln PARIS ia Anatoli- rfkhryevich DhDII', whoGB man. number isis homo telephone is TPJanonbumped into hia today because ho is ec-eemsd with all thearrive hore. He'of floor,o not know his rank.
I can also give you tho telephone nur.bsr of SOLOV'YSV who lives in the same house with to vera! ether intelligence officers. It is
Barr long is yeur delegation going to to here?
S.: Thoy care for tnulve days beginning with today, but I'm not going toreat deal ofith thsm, but ofill meet them and go around withit. The delegation is being taken care of on their trips by Trans-Tour. They ore staying at the Trianon Palace Hotel, tha phone isn The do legs tlon consists of ten automotive engineers and four of then are er.-rsrts on (energetika) power engineering. ave not mat thenill do so tomorrow and
thoir itinerary is already set by Trans-Tour,o not have to go with them; ill talis them to. the Exhibition and introduce them to whoever they will be concerned with. ill find out everything tomorrow end then report to you. ill also cheol: out which ones of these ore oo ny list and possibly there may have been eome new ones.
By the way ot my hotel they moved me from Roomoon tho 6th floor. It isranca, but they premised to movea batter room later. Don'teed some more brochuresend particularly regarding this Symposium on theprocesses at OXFORD.
H.I It has been ordered, no are waiting for it. (Actually tho Symposium closedh September).
S.i There ia another big firm here, it is called the Syndicate for Electric Ibtors end olectronics; it ia headedonsieur FRCUAS who has been in UXtXJ. 3Mle diccuaolng personalities in MOBBO* withBV andentioned how much trouble PLYAKHDJ had with his kidneys ard they raco.roor.dod that he get in touchoctor VARSHAVSKIY in VCSSC* who in very fa-sous.
G.i Let no conyhe tcl; phone and address of the Chairman of the Franco-Soviet Friendship Society. (It was (larcel WjiCHPRESS, Association Frarsce-U.ue dJt la Vrilliero, PARISPhone.
By then going to fly home and not go by train.
In the first place, whyra3te two daysrain going home and aooendly thoy told ra at thothct ainoe my passport is not diplomaticervice passport (s'ushebnvy) it would bo foolish for me to cros3iGeavsny vith it and the visas would probably take scaietcaeorotic passports would be given visa* quickly. Thirdly, thereoviet plane leaving onh October froa here,lyoreign plane, and it will be much smoother to travel Vhat ruy with my suitcases, with no other Soviets to .bother oa.
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the period of timeoft LCIiDCN and prior to my arrival hore. The order stated that during these days cf October andpecial security carehould be taken in going into town. Officers should go in pairs end not alone end better still in vehicles. Unnecessary agent contacts should bo avoided during thia period and provocations should bo avoided at all oosts. This, the Rezidcnt said, in disouasion operations with his case officers. Thia procedure ia only for this tins period and it isategorical order by KHRUSH3KEV to suspend ell' agent contacts such as the one he issued at the ties of. incident. Thus all unnecessary contacts should not be rvrdi and those that are indispensable must be carried out with groat precaution. The iEproesicn there is that the Peace Treaty will certainly bo signal, tut anything that will evolve therefrom ia puro guosr."or!:.
G.: Did3imilar order to the one you mentioned?
S.: avo not been, tola som positive that they did because they must sinceolicies era all co-ordinated at the highest level. Thoy would not to paiviittod to operate and fall into provocations while wo cirefvlly wait. Thia isonted to report ofid in the past trro days.
16. ave Just rara-ftwred that both FFXKKCnOV an! GRIGORIYEV Just today expressed greatith tha polioy at home of ecrapping the Kaval Surfeco Ploot. Thoy eonsider that tho developmentuinarins fleet wae too ona-sided. Thsy appreciated the value of submarines, as experienced mariners would, but they said that all naval officers were disappointed at the scrspping of the Surface Fleet. They would have proforred forloot to havo been put Into
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a reserve status, tut not scrapped, GRIGORKEV quotedrench paper which he had in his hand that according to an article byur Soviet Admiral, tho Soviet submarines are better than those ofreater speed and arc better equipped. Despite thia GRIGOR'fYEV remarked thnt strong as tho submarine fleet is, it is still one-sided, andew surface navy cannot be built rapidly because it requires muchnd money- which ia not available and even many of the shipyards and docks have been reconverted for submarine construction. Even with respect to submarines they considered that they were in insufficient numbers yet.
G.: Did they cantion anything about atomic-powered No. There was no conversation about these at all. Thi3 isavo.
G.i Teittle surprise for youi irst rate teohnician of ours has arrived ana'nts to show you equipment that can be available for you in tho nvar future, even though you will not recoive it now and you willhat could be employed to complete our communicationforcontact.
S.i That io very fins. ery happy.
(At this mcr'.snt J. vont to advise "John" to enter and during the fev' minutes prior to "Join's" cntorrlng,3 served and G. engaged Subject in innocuous coiwuroaticn deliberately. hen "John" did enter and was introducedrs's of conversation followed, "John" asked G.c Subjeot thatthe introductions wore being madeerici ofTAgroup message was being transmitted. Subject sirred thst he heard no sound whatever and then being duly impressedsmoval tho transmitter fron his clothing, showing Subjeot exactly lie: 'tr. fcotor.odetailed briefing began).
Subject was then sko-vnhs abort " ^afe**- transmitter ops-rates. Everyos csrilainef. to him including the keyer which
magnetically increases numbere on tho tape, the spring wound tape sending mechanise which is conreotod to tho transmitter and tho battery power pack unit. After going through thia ond having Subjeot examine every unit he was told that in tbo future tho three units, namely the power pack battery, the transmitter and tho antenna matcher could be incorporated into one package. Subjeot's comments wan then solicited. He aaid that the single packs go would be highly desirable for hia, and very correctly andisplay of understanding he suggested that tho on-off switch of the transmitter be placed inanner in the connector from tho transmitter to the tape-sender that by releasing the tape for transmission with the release button, thia oould only be done whan the transmitter is in the Cn position. Thia would avoid the possibility of activating the tapo release for sending and hot havo tho transmitter in action. light modification ha ucuosted waa to eliminate tho letters on the keyer-dlol since he would only use numbers anyway.
Tho balance of this iomonstra:ion was devoted to discussingpoints in KCSCC7adiua of roughly asss*netreB from thehetransmit. Ho ma shown why he should facestation while sorting to avoid his orjn body'aand the reasonchosen waa explained to him,
namely thit in viav of possible obstructionstruotural nature between his sending position and tha receiving station, thorirura range* litresino of sight basis wan reduced to be iurj his massage world bo received clearly and yet this would be the adopted minimum safee army from the receiving point from which he should send. a orrplainca that if heosition which wouldine ofnc-uiscion, namely by simply being able to see directly iho top of. Embassy, he could transmitenveniont distance batvrecnaray nndadasr metres away. Ho understood that hia tapo could be re-sent at any tine if either ho felt unsure that his message was properly rent or sent from the right
position or if after an established receipt signalling system would be in effect, no such receipt signal would be given. The button toignal for the receiving station'a automatic recording mechanism was shcra to Subject and he waa told that he must press this buttoninimum of ton seconds prior to transmitting. Various areaa in UQSCG7 wore era'ained on the map with differences of opinion aa to the exact distance fror. the receiving station, butrinciple was clearly established and Subjeot would choek the approximate distance of the) Subject's reaction was both favourable and enthusiastic Ee stated that this would complete the cofvaunication link which had still been miosing and that ho wouldacha and find an adequate safe and waathor-proof cache for the equipment. The dacha would only beistance of one hcyr's travel so that no delay in transmitting vital information would be beyond ahours needed for preparing and coding tho message, picking up the equipment and sending the message. Subjeotupnloi-.sntal demonstration on tho soheduled meeting Ko.o be held onctobor. "John" consented to be present since Subject was well-imnrasood withemonstration. inal summary of the operationor Subjeot to be given his equipmentuture date withittcn instructions for its use will be described after details are worked out at the next meeting. At this point it appears that when thaas been assembledand-tailored ba3is for Subjeot and completely tested it oould be delivered to the British Embassy in KGSDCv by bag and subsequently passed to Subjectecure manner by -TrlTE or other securey) After the desonatratioo Subject was asked ebout the voltages of the electrical circuits he could be involved with in tho JJOSCOV/ area. This wculd of course involve only tho rt-chargingall-plug of the battery-power pact. Subject stated thti all areas beyond the city limitshich wculd include tlie location of his proposed rented dacha, areolts. owever, particularly in
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hi* area, etill operatesoltageolta. Gradually the entire lSOSCOVT area is being convertedolts circuit, but since thia processengthy one Subject requested that the power-paok be adopted to use either voltage. Since thia can be dona provided the settings are mado for the proper voltage, "John" told Subjeot that thia feature would also be) demonstration Subject said! We havo not talked over tho first hatch of materialsent to you via WYNNE. There may be additional questions there,ust aee my originals.
O.I We have asked some questions already, but we have the rest of thea all prepared and we will get to them later.
(Subject's graduating class photograph of tho DZERZHjjNSXIY Academy, YAK Rocket courses9 "aa brought out and with itissue paper teirplate on which the facial outlines of all" persons in the photographs were traced in the exact position that they appeared In the photograph. All these outlines were numbered to faollltate identifying all individuals in tho photograph as described by Subject. Tho Photograph and template were placedell-Illuminated table and Subject proceeded to deaoribe the officers aa follOWSI)
S.i Probably at this moment fromill identify poasiblyy ten or twelve persons,ill give you the categories of all of them. Later at hone,ave another photograph likeill try to write eut all the names froa the notes,ave at home. Are you ready?
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25. No.his is Gen. Lieut. TESTYAKQV, the First Deputy Chief of the Academy and he ia tho Dsputy for Solentifio Research. Duo to thia position, he is the First Deputy. Ho is the author of many works ond has particularly been noted for hia work with conventional artillery. He lives on Gorky Street acrosa from tho
telegraph office. He was promoted to Lieut. Gen. two years ago. He ia an expert on artillery aorouniticn.
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G.i Does ho write manuals?
3.1 He may contribute certain sect ions of manuals, but he certainly is on the editorial etaff.
No.his ia Colonel Nikola^Araenyavionla the Chief of all VAX courses. Be lives in the aame houseTRETYAKOV oo Gorky Street. ave been at hie house andvery nice to ne. Ee even eaid that oneay take acourse to learn about new rocket developmenta. Inprogramme there are short coursesonth's duration,courses as well ae year courses.
No.hia waa Subject's Why were you setting there?
8.1 That iaas the Sergeant Major of the class (Nachalnlk Potoka). The next two are alao students end that is all of those who wore students in the first row. They are eitting there with ne because all three of us were theonola In the class. (Subject now asked for one of his original notes which wore handwritten and in which he had several of the names of tho individuals in tho photograph. This was found ond given to him for reference).
No.olonel of the Engineer troops,told you about him in LCMC' and said that he vaa Chief of aInstitute whloh ie related to both VARENTSOV and KSKALENKOia located near SCXOLMKI. He lives in an apartmenttogether with VARENTSOV's former Adjutant. Thiswhoieut. Colonelorks in thoOtdel of GoXaRT under VARSKTSCV. Chile CHERNSXXOtheseeduction in personnel strength wasand ho had formerly been tho Chief of an Otdel in GAU priorto the VAK courses, but due to theae reductions and also duebad relations with ZHMT-V, tho latter did not want to taketo his former position after he had graduated. Ko askedearnestly to speak to VARENTSCV so that he oould
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29. No.hisolonel whoseo not recall at the moment and,entionedist of all theae names at home and another photographill work thia up for you. In the meantime ofo not know atill tell you whotudent and who was an instructor. Thia Colonel was alsoorker in CAU and now he ia workingraining centra in the Ukraine, the name ofava given you previoualy. JO. Ho.ere is the Senior Instructor in both tho Academy and for VAK oourses. He is the one who gave me tho photographs of tho rocketsave to you. He first gave them to ao aa supplementary information to paate into my notebook. Ho is the author of lectures on all TRA installations. He is an Engineer Colonel. These are all instollatione for free rockot launching. Por example, CAU providea all descriptionsechnical nature for TRA, and launching installationa. He works up all thla material for leeturee and to clearly desoribe all items of eouiatent and supervises the aetting up of the actual equivalent in the laboratories for instruction. I'll get you his name later also, hut his speciality is exclusively on TRA and launching OQuipnatxt.
No.n Engineer Lt. Colonel. Be is an instructorill also give you hia name later.
No.his la Engineer Captain BBnTR** Heon all electrical oquipment and circuits for guidedis concerned with teaching about all the control assembliespanels ln the misaile aa well as all of the oloctrical testingequipment and pane In used at the technical position. Hewith the electrical circuits and equipment for all Heery intelligent officer and we wero veryhis lectures. He appearsenior Lieutenant in thia picture,
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No.ieutenant Colonel. He is tho Chief ofAssignment Section of classes underH.
G.: What do you rnjan by "Assignment Seotion" (Uchebnaya He la in charge of the scheduling of classes and administratis work ln general.
No.his la Engineer Colonel NESTEROV. He is senior instructor and he is exclusively in charge of all aurface
rooket handling, transporting and mounting equipment. Re ia the one who prepared all the lecturers for the various cranes, carriers, towers etc. Hoery well-prepared and intelligent officer who has had considerable training.
S.I No.ow willhole row ofhis one is Engineer Colonel ISItlAKGV. Hoorker in GAU,o not remember vhere ho was assigned after graduation.
S.i No.his is Colonel VYTXOV. He ia tho Deputy Chief f the Artillery School in KUIBYSHEV.'
G.t What is his present position?
S.i He was returned to the same position graduating. However, they wanted to transfer him to tho SARATOV Artillory School and possibly he has gone thoro already. This is because tho present Chief at SARATOV la ill and they wanted to aend Colonel VYTNOV there aa tho new chief. At least that was the proposal.
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The next rows nunbers, re allI see an exception sbc.itill tell youinute. are is Lieut. Colonel of Engineers BONDAHENKO.
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hoold you about who has Juot been assigned as the Deputy Conrsaaderrigade for technical matters which is located In KEEJ3GHUG. This ia ths Brigade ofl2 Now, with the excaptionndoth of whom aro atudents, the remainder in the last row are all laboratory assistants. They are raoetly Senior Lieutenants an! Captains.
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In addition to these please nark down that in the other rows5 andro alao laboratory aasiatonts. After looturea are given by the instructor* and senior instructors, the laboratory assistants give us our praotical work and practical desionstratione.
No.hia nan waa elected aa the Party Secretaryolaaa.
Ci How does thia work out, ia ho merely elected for the duration of the courses?
S.i Tea. There oustarty neeting every month aoccedJJig to the regulations and Party activities must go on, so he is elected the Secretary of our Party group, but after graduation that ie all over and ho would rejoin the Party organisation of whatever unit he was assigned to.
Thia la allan tell you about ny classill send you supplementary identifications later.
B.t That Is very finehink that that is about all we ahould do tonight.
S.i It iaCO houra; we eanittle more. Don't you have any Questions prepared?
G.i Veole mass cf them, but we want to handle them at another time.
S. i Veil, we can do part of them now if you like.
G.i an give ycu just ths first short group of questions because it couldual purpose. In addition to your answering the questions, if you know the answers, tho questions will also serve to guide you about what we are interested in and what you can find out for ua possibly from tho Soviet Embassy here in PARIS.
S.: That'a fine, let me have them.
Pirat of all. What were tho reactions toon the part of officers of GRU or any other Embassymay have expressed themselves to you?
S. i The onlyove beard came froa Ivan Favlovich
KUDRYAVTSEV the Colonel who is the Doputy to the Resident for Science end Technology. Ho said that it was very lousy tho way the Previa article reported. It was completely abridged end nothing is clear in it whatsoever. He did nothance to read the full text which is always put out by the TASS bulletin but not published in Soviot nowspapero. 'Joournal called 'Za Rubeshcm' in which everything is printed in full. This journal has an extremely narrow circulation and la circulated only to top Party leaders and ie bard to obtain. The Ambassador of course gets his full text speech report through TASS channels. Inold you before that therehite TASSed TASS. Neither nor the other are fully printed in the Soviot press. Tho Red one is always oomplete and la for the Central Committee, the Unite one is sceaewhat abridged. It la considered moreeview (obsor). Only Party leaders will see tho full text, the pocple will not be able to read it. So KUDRxAVTSEV did not get the speech from the French papers yot and he only knows French, not raglish. So hla reaction was that the speech waa eomplotoly condensed with many parts emitted so that the people could not read it.
MOSCOW not ask thor; to evaluate the speech?
S.i No. id not and would not ask thia. In the monthly report thatcasssdor sends in thereolitical section in which ho will write up reactions, tut in thia report he will apeak of the reactions of the French and other foreigr.era here.
O.i Did you hear tbcut what their evaluation was of the French reaction to the speech?
S.I on'thay didn't apeak about it. Of course thia is one of tho mission* of every Avbaumdor In whatever oountry he my be accredited io. He must give all opinions ard all evaluationsolitical nature of the people in theere ho is stationed, but onlydays havo ^one by since tho speechave hoard nothing yot. This will uncycstic::'i"Iy bo done, and tho Ambassador mayup the report himself or sections thereof and hc will work
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in concert with hin political counsellor*. These will be Belcher GRU or KGB but etrlotly political Counsellors.
G.l Do you knor what they cay have reported to MOSCOW regarding the French attitude tonards the BERLIN problem?
S.: ave not heard arching on this either, but beginning with tomorrowill keep my ears open for any conversations along the line that you hava just mentlonod.
G.l Thia laave for quoations for today and tbey were asked because thia ia something you eight get additional information on here in PARIS.
S.: ill try. And it la certainly indicative how the Soviets do things, whereas the "estem press quotes KHRUSHCHEV oomplotely, here an Important policy epeech by KENNEDY ia deliberately withheld from the people because much material therein runs counter to the policies advocated by the Central Coxaitteo and KHRUSHCfTEV.
G.: That is very obvious since the concept of the so-oalled Iron Curtain ia not to heap the foreigners from coming ln but to keep the people inside frora oaring out.
S.: Yes, and tho people would certainly like to know what had been in the speech.
G.l These aro all the questions for By the way fid you call that French Yes. alled her tha dry before yesterday. oldI was one of her friend fra-nd was the one who gave her She ramcLherad mo andsked herould seetake her out aha asked xa to call hernday or Tuesdaywas very busy at this
Subject rtsto be careful bt-oause there waa no way to tell rhether she was involved with either the KTJB or the Fronoh Service, but insofar aa Subject hadt her officially7 end was speaking to her on his own, thera could bejat harm even though it is doubtful as to how reliable any contacts through her could be considered by Subject
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The next scheduled mooting hiving boon already established,
Subject wao tal;en from tho safe opartmontours by oar
to the area noar hia hotel. Ho was accompanied by K. J. and "John"
who drove him by tho new RV point aa atated above aid ho was
delivered to thepoint without Incident.
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