TALE 1 PF 2--LEGAL OFFICIAL ON DEFENSE, SECURITY ISSUES

Created: 5/21/1992

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COUNTRY: RUSSIA

SUBJ: LEGAL OFFICIAL ON DEFENSE, SECURITY ISSUES

SOURCE: MOSCOWATTY IN RUSSIAN NO IB, MAYPEXT:

NTERVIEW WITH A. ROTENKOV, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA IN CHARGE OF QUESTIONS OF SECURITY AND DEFENSE, BTAXTY CORRESPONDENT A. UGLANOV; PLACE AND DATE NOT GIVEN: "ON THE THIRD STRATEGIC LINE"))

((TEXT)) EGINECREE ON THE CREATIONUSSIAN ARMY HAS JUST BEEN SIGNED. BUT IT WILL BE SOME TIME YET BEFORE ALL SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS MARCH UNDER NEW BANNERS AND, PERHAPS, CHANCE UNIFORM. MEANWHILE THE ARMY LIVES IN THE PRESENT. OUR CORRESPONDENT A. UGLANOV MET WITH A. KOTENXOV, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA IN CHARGE OF QUESTIONS OF SECURITY ANDND BOLD))

RE YOU AWARE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEGUN TO

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display concern in connection with the redeployment of forces from germany toward their borders?

ntil recently our defense was deployed fully westward and was constructed in echelonment in depth. the first attack echelon was deployed in the gdr, poland, czechoslovakia, and hungary. it has now practically disappeared. this was followed by the second attack echelon. this was the baltic. byelarus, and ukraine. it also, as is known, is being wound down. the third was on the territory of russia and was held in reserve. it was contemplated deploying iteriod of the threat of or in the event of the commencement of war. we are not yetosition to recognize that the border should be LIQUIDATED. and it is perfectly natural that the forces which are being withdrawn are being deployed evenly throughout the territory of the european part of russia, starting from the kola peninsula.

n connection with the fact that the caucasus has become an explosive region for russia, is SOME armed barrier on the border of the southern part of russia and the caucasus being formed?

((KOTENKOVJ) undoubtedly. it isUESTION, of course, of the purposive creation of some militarized barrier, as you put it. the forces being withdrawn from the west are being deployed more or less evenly froh the kola peninsula to north caucasus. it is. therefore, perfectly natural that newcomer units will be deployed in stavropol, krasnodar kray, and rostov oblast.

point two: itact that the situation in the transcaucasus is NOT improving in the least. the forces (under russia'S jurisdiction) stationed there areery difficult position. attempts to capture EQUIPMENT and arms and attacks on the army units continue. our people are dying. an officer of ours died QUITE recently in tbilisi,esult of which there was QUITE serious unrest among the students of an academy, of which heraduate. the QUESTION is: unless the unlawful actions against our forces in the transcaucasus cease, it will. most likely, be necessary to withdraw them. not to siberia or THE far east. naturally. the assignments confronting them would be the same. the forces would rehain in the vicinity of THE caucasus.

hen, according to your forecasts, will the border forces froh other republics be transferred to the borders between them and russia?

ould like to specify immediately that we are not interested in russia having full-scale, army-protected borders on our territory. it should not be forgotten that practically one-third of THE russian population lives in these republics, and drawing borders between us is, at the least, immoral. and economically disadvantageous besides. but, on the other hand, we are losing hundreds OF millions of rubles on account of the fact that we lack full-fledged borders.

so we are currently confronted with four tasks. first, the immediate establishment OF full-scale borders, guarded by troops and with customs posts and visa control, with the baltic states. it is the absence of such borders which is causing us the GREATEST

ECONOHIC HARM. IT IS BECAUSE OF THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE BORDERS HERE THAT WHAT WE COULD OURSELVES BE SELLING OVERSEAS AT WORLD PRICES, THE BALTS ARE SELLING. AND OBTAINING COLOSSAL PROFIT HERE, AND WE ARE LOSING OUT.

THE SECONDOLUTION OF THE QUESTION WITH THE STATES WHICH HAVE DECIDED ON THE CREATION OF THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES. THESE ARE PRIMARILY UKRAINE, AZERBAIJAN, AND MOLDOVA. THEY DO NOT GUARANTEE OBSERVANCE OF COMMON BORDER PRACTICES. AZERBAIJAN, FOR INSTANCE, HAS ESTABLISHED SIMPLIFIED PASSAGE ACROSS THE BORDER WITH IRAN AND TURKEY. MOLDOVA HAS ESTABLISHED THE SAME CONDITIONS WITH ROMANIA.ESULT THE CITIZENS OF THESE STATES CAN GET TO THE TERRITORY OF AZERBAIJAN AND MOLDOVA FREELY, WITHOUT ANY PARTICULAR DIFFICULTY. GIVEN THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF BORDERS WITH US, THEY ARE MOVING FURTHER AND DOING AS TKEY PLEASE. WE ALREADY HAVE EXAMPLE5 OF CITIZENS OF IRAN AND TURKEY HAVING MOVED FREELY AROUND THE TERRITORY OF THE FORMER USSR AND, TO OUR GREAT REGRET, NOT ALWAYS WITH PEACEFUL PURPOSES. UNLESS THESE STATES CAN GUARANTEE OBSERVANCEOMMON BORDER REGIME, WE MUST DECIDE THE QUESTION OF ITS CLOSURE.

THE THIRD TASK IS RELATIONS WITH THE STATES WHICH ARE FORMING THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES, BUT WHICH AGREE TO THE ESTABLISHMENTOMMON BORDERS REGIME. THESE ARE BYELARUS AND UZBEKISTAN. WE HAVE GOOD ENOUGH RELATIONS WITH THEM, AND, AS FARNOW, THEY ARE PREPARED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF SOME COMMON COORDINATING BODY TO ESTABLISH ANDINGLE EXTERNAL BORDER REGIME.

AND, FINALLY, THE FOURTHRELATIONS WITH STATES NOT FORMING THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES. THESE ARE AT THE PRESENT TIME ARMENIA, KAZAKHSTAN, KYRGYZSTAN, TAJIKISTAN, AND TURKMENISTAN.

AVE TACTICAL AND OTHER NUCLEAR WEAPONS BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM THEAVE INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE STILL THERE.

O, THESE WEAPONS WERE WITHDRAWN FROM THERE LONG AGO. LAST YEAR. BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION BUT THAT THEY WERE THERE.

OU ARE AWARE, OF COURSE. THAT IN CRIMEA GENERAL

KUZNETSCV, WHO DISAGREES WITH HIS DISMISSAL, HASUNGER STRIKE.

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MOSCOWAKTY IN RUSSIANAY 92

PPA HUNGER STRIKE.

SOURCE: MOSCOWAKTY IN RUSSIANAYPEXT:

E SIMPLY HAVE NO INFLUENCE HERE, UNFORTUNATELY. ONLY BY WAY OF NEGOTIATIONS. BUT FROM THE PURELY HUMAN STANDPOINT GENERAL KUZNETSOV'S BEHAVIOR CAN ONLY BE WELCOMED. WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT THE QUESTION: "ARE YOU PREPARED TO FIGHTS STANDARD AT THE TIKE OF OFFICER CERTIFICATION IN UKRAINE.

ND IS THIS QUESTION BEING PUT TO RUSSIAN OFFICERS?

HIS IS PRECISELY THE POINT, AFTER ALL, KUZNETSOV IS

A RUSSIAN OFFICER. ITROVOCATIVE QUESTION. BUT SUCH ACTIONS ARE NOT ONLY BEING ADDRESSED TO SPECIFIC PERSONS. THE ORGAN OF THE UKRAINIAN NATIONAL ASSEMBLY, UKRAINSKI OBRII. WRITES AS FOLLOWS ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE ANDREYEV FLAG, WHICH IS SACRED FOR THE RUSSIAN SAILOR: EARS THE ANDREYEV FLAG COVERED LT THE ROTTENNESS OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE. NOV THEY WANT IT TO COVER UP THE CRETINISM OF THE CIS. ENOUGHt"

BUT, GENERALLYO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OFOSTILE ATTITUDE TOWARD RUSSIA- WE MAY SPEAK, THEREFORE,HOLLY NEGLIGIBLE, RECKLESS GROUP OF UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS, CHIEFLYESTERN UKRAINIAN PERSUASION. AND UNLESS THEREHANGE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE IN THE PRESENT POLICYELIEVE THAT BIG INTERNAL UPHEAVALS AWAIT UKRAINE.

RE CONSCRIPTS BEING DRAFTED FOR RUSSIA FROM OTHER REPUBLICS?

OT AS YET. ALTHOUGH AT THE RECENT COUNCIL OF DEFENSE MINISTERSPRIL. WHICH WAS HELD IN MOSCOW, ITUESTIONUMBER OF CIS STATES BEING PREPARED TO MAKE THEIR CONSCRIPTS AVAILABLE FOR SERVICE IN THE CIS JOINT ARMED FORCES. ON THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA INCLUDED.

ILL COSSACK UNITS BE FORMED IN THE SPHERE OF THE DON ARMY?

HERE IS NO FULLY FINISHED CONCEPT OF THT ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES ASTRUGGLE OF IDEAS IS UNDER WAY,OULD NOT CARE TO DWELL ON THIS. BUT SUCH AN ASPECT OF MILITARY ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS POSSIBLE. IT COULDUESTION OF PROFESSIONAL RESERVES. WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OFROFESSIONALHOLLY ALLOW OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE EXISTENCE OF COSSACK UNITS. WITH THE OBSERVANCE OF COSSACK TRADITIONS, SOLE RESPONSIBILITY, FIRM DISCIPLINE AND, POSSIBLY, PAID SERVICE.ERSION IS POSSIBLE.

ND, FINALLY. RUMORS. PERHAPS. HAVE REACHED HE TO THE EFFECT THAT UP UNTILUMBER OF TOP SCIENTISTS HAD BEEN ENLISTEDTUDY OF UFO'S AT THE DISPOSAL OF THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE.M TALKING ABOUT SOME FRAGMENTS OR WHOLEHICH ARE BEING KEPT SECRET IN HANGARS AND UNDERGOING TESTS.

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ORK IS BEING PERFORMED ON THE GLOBAL MONITORING OF SPACE AND THE AIR SPACE ON THE TERRITORY OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION. ALL UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS ARE RECORDED. ANY OBJECT ENTERING THE FIELD OF VISION OF OUR EARLY WARNING STATIONS IS, OF COURSE, MONITORED.AVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OBJECTS BEING STORED AND STUDIED ANYWHERE.

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