INFORMAL VIEWS OF PRESIDENT SUKARNO ON GROWING POWER OF INDONESIAN COMMUNIST PA

Created: 1/13/1965

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(SL'>'f-IAPY: PRESIDENT SUKARNO, RANK AND INFORMAL

sessionroup of right-wing political leaders, warns

THAT HE WILL MOT Pu&IT ANY FORM OF ANH-COMMUNIST ACTITIVY. HE EXPLAINS CURRENT INDONESIAN AFFINITY TOHINA A3 STRATEGY AIMED AT BUYING AMERICAN SUPPORT FOR INDONESIAN POLICIES WITH REGARD TO MALAYSIA. AR BETWEEN CHINA AID AMERICA IS EXPECTEDEW YEARS FROM WHICH INDONESIA WILL PROFIT.)

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SUKARNO THAT THEY WERE FRANKLY DISTURBED OVERGAINS MADE BY THE INDONESIAN COMMUNIST PARTYWERETC ACCENT THE PRINCIPLES SUKARNO REPLIED THAT HEARXIST-LENINIST BUT THAT HE COULD NOTTO THE PKI AT THE PRESENT TIME BECAUSE HE NEEDEDCF THE PKI IN FACING THE MALAYSIA QUESTION."SOME DAY THE PKI'S TURN WILLUT NOT NOW. THE PKIMUST CONCERN THEMSELVESTHEIR OWN ORGANIZATIONAL STRENGTH AND GIVINGSUPPORT ANO TRUST TO SUKARNO. IFTHE DECISION THAT THEY MUST CONTINUE TO OPPOSE

THE PKI, THE PRESIDENT SAID, THEN THEY WILLOING AGAINST SUKARNO'S POLICY. SUKARNO ADDED,OU CANY FRIEND OR YOU CAN BE MY END4Y, IT'S UP TO YOU."

2. SUKARNO SAID THAT HE COULD EVEN ANTICIPATE THAT THEWOULO NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT HIM IN VIEW OF HIS MOST RECENT MOVES. IN THE PAST, THE OPPOSITION

gPCUPS WOULD WORRY HIM, HE GREAT INTERNATIONAL INFLUENCE OFORGANIZATIONS. HOWEVER HE WAS NOW DETERMINED TO CONTINUE IN THEECTI ON HE WAS GOING EVEN IF MEANS MAKING AN ENEMYEORLD, BOTHIALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY. HE SAID "MY NAME IS DOWN, IN

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THE INTERNATIONAL WORLD ANWAY, AFTER OUR WITHDRAWAL FROM THE

UNITED NATIONS." HE ADOED THAT INDONESIA WASILAB) NATION WHICH WOULD CONTINUE ALONG THE COURSE CHARTED BY HIMSELF.

Ii. SUKARNO SAID THAT HE WAS DELIBERATELY ALLOWING THE PKI TO EXPAND ITS INFLUENCE AND DELIBERATELY BRINGIN3 INDONESIA CLOSER TO COMMUNIST CHINA FOR ONE IMPORTANT REASON: HE EXPECTEDN(ST CHINA AND THE UNITED STATES TO BE AT WAREW YEARS, EITHER THROUGH AMERICAN ESCALATION OF THE VIETNAM WAR ORIRECT AMERICAN ATTACK ON COMMUNIST CHINA. SUKARNO SAID HE IS CONFIDENT THAT THE UNITED STATES' WILLSOUT INDONESIAN SUPPORT OFAR 3REAK OUT, THAT IT WILL GO TO ANY LENGTHS TO BRING INDONESIA 5ACK INTO THE NEUTRAL CAMP. SUKARNO SAID HE BELIEVES THAT THE UNITED STATES MAY EVEN TURN ITS BACK ON MALAYSIA AND WITHORAW SUPPORT TO THAT COUNTRY IN RETURN FOR AN INDONESIAN COMMITMENT TO PULL AWAY FROM COMMUNIST CHINA.

5. SUKARNO EXPLAINED THAT INDONESIA HAD ACHIEVEDIN THE AFTERMATHREAT PACIFIC WAR. HE BELIEVED THAT INDONESIA COULD ONLY 3RING ABOUT THE INDEPENDENCE OF 5RITISH-DCMINATED MALAYSIA IN THE AFTERMATH OF ANOTHER WAR IN THE PACIFIC AREA. HE SAID THE UNITED STATES IS THE KEY ELEMENT IN THIS CALCULATION. ITS PRODUCTION OF ARMAMENTS, WHICH HAD TOSED AT SOME POINT,ED WITH CHINESE COMMUNIST OPPOSITION TO AMERICA'S AIMS IN ASIA WOULD INEVITABLY LEAD TO

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ATTENTION WOULD EE SHIFTED FROM SUPPORT of THE BRITISH IN MALAYSIA TO the LARGER CONFLICT AGAINST CHINA. SUKARNO REITERATED HIS 5ELIEF that THE UNITED STATES COULD WEAKEN MALAYSIA'S POSITION HOPELESSLY BYUTTON3. IT MIGHT WELL do SO IF IT FELT THAT SUCH AN ACTION WOULD PULL INDONESIA OUT OF AN ALLIANCE WITH COMMUNIST CHINA.'

6. SUKARNO ENDED HIS DISCUSSION BY SAYING "for ME MALAYS IA IS NUM5ER one.ILL TAKE OVER THE PKI 8UT not NOW. IF YOU WANT TO SHOW YOURBE

COMMUNIYOUR STRENGTH IN LOYALTY TO SUKARNO

THEN THE PKI CANNOT HARM YOU."

[COMMENT: THOSE PRESENT AT THE PRESIDENT'SWERE AMAZED BY HIS FRANKNESS AND CAME AWAY WITH THE FEELING THAT THEY HAD been GIVEN AN UNEXPECTED 9UT SIGNIFICANT INSIGHT INTO THE PRESIDENT'S POLITICAL THINKING. SUKARNO 3eeved TC EE SPEAKING TC THOSE PRESENT WITH THE FRANKNESSONLY FOR PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS WITH FIRST DEPUTY PRIME MINISTERNORIC. 5

COMMENT: IN THE PAST IT HAS BEEN NORMAL FOR SUKARNO TO UNDERPLAY HIS SUPPORT of THE PKI ANO COMMUNIST CHINA WHEN TALKING TO REPRESENTATIVES OF RIGHT-WINGOMMUNIST GROUPS. IT MAYIGNIFICANT THAT IN THE ABOVE DISCUSSION SUKARNO DlO NOT FEEL IMPELLED to MINIMIZE HIS APPARENT INTERNAL SUPPORT for THE PKI AND HIS EXTERNAL SUPPORT

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HE IS PUSHING INDONESIA TOWARD THE LEFT, WHATEVER HIS RATIONALE, MAY INDICATE THAT HE NOW FEELS LITTLE THREAT TC HIS POSITION FROM THE DECIMATED RANKS OF RIGHT-WING,OMMUNI STIELD DISSEM:

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