(ESTIMATED PUB DATE) TEXT OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN THORSRUD AND PFEIFFER

Created: 1/1/1976

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was there. eanand BisseU and Rusk were

in Rusk's office and they were going through It, and Rusk had the telephone in hts hand and Kennedy was on the other end of the horn, and they had gone to Rusk's office and they had protested theof the second strike. They had talked back and forth with Rusk, and Rusk got on the phone and called Kennedy at Glen Ora and told him what their feelings were, and Kennedy asked Rusk what his feeling was, and Rusk said he believed that it should be cancelled, and hecd Cabell and BisseU if they would like to talk to the President and they both declined. End of conversation.

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that's the way that went.

OFF FOR FEW COMMENTS.

this your interview with Kirkpatrick?

he called down. He wanted to know If there was any possibility that any of the Americans that were shot down were alive, andome pictures came out of Cubaook up to them, and showed Gray and Pete andtheir aircraft. It wasthereicture of Gray with ahis eyes, and in no physical damage, and his boots were gone, and the boots were off of Bakor also, but no burns, so it indicated to us that they had crash landed next to the sugar mill which is one of thone of the It was obviously militia that had got them, because they had pulled them out of the cockpit and shot them, not knowing the worth, of course, to Castro that they could have gotten these two Americans alive. But they obviously had just executed them both after they crash landed, and Kirkpatrick was quite moved by thatut that on hisaid, "well here is proof that one's not alive. " Kirk was quite shook up about the whole thing, and ho thanked us, and then he asked us generally about thee was IG at the time.

version of that is, that they crashed and that one or the other of

ave seen two versionsne is that the pilot and the other is that it was the navigatorone or the other of them got outidcarm, and was killedun fight with the militia.

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