Bulletins
| Bulletin | Bulletin date | Replacement Bulletin | Item no. | Summary | Added |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE | |||||
| SB-09-010 | 10/21/2011 | 10041669 | Honda: engine has a loud rattling noise at a cold start up. *pe | 10/24/2011 | |
| SB-11-033 | 07/15/2011 | 10040485 | Ready | 08/31/2011 | |
| SB-11-033 | 07/15/2011 | 10040485 | Honda: the engine oil level is low on the dipstick, and the malfunction light may be on with stored trouble codes due to a software problem. *rm | 08/31/2011 | |
| SB-10-033 | 07/15/2011 | 10039424 | Honda: spark plugs may be fouled. the malfunction light comes on with stored trouble lights. *rm | 07/29/2011 | |
| SB-10-075 | 11/24/2010 | 10034885 | Honda vehicle: engine oil leak at the cylinder head cover. there is paint overspray in the gasket groove of the cylinder head cover. *pe | 01/24/2011 | |
Consumer Complaints
| Fail date | miles | occurences | Purchase date |
|---|---|---|---|
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING | |||
| 03/01/2012 | 40000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact stated that while driving 65 mph, the instrument panel lights illuminated as the vehicle lost power and stalled. the failure was experienced numerous times. the local mechanic performed a diagnostic but was unable to locate a failure however, the battery was replaced. the failure was not corrected and the vehicle continued to lose power and stall sporadically. the vehicle was not further repaired. the failure mileage was 40,000 and the current mileage was 60,000. kmj | |||
| 04/15/2012 | 52000 | ||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact stated that while driving at 60 mph the vehicle stalled. the contact was not able to turn the vehicle back on and then had the vehicle towed to an independent mechanic. the independent mechanic could not duplicate the failure. the vehicle was then taken to an authorized dealer where they also could not duplicate the failure. the vehicle was not repaired. the failure mileage was 52,000 and the current mileage was 54,000. kmj | |||
| 03/01/2012 | 40000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact state while driving at 65mph the instrumental panel lights illuminated, the vehicle loses power and stalled. the failure was experienced numerous times. the local mechanic performed a diagnostic, but was unable to locate a failure code. the battery was replace. the failure was not corrected. the vehicle continued to lose and power and stall. the vehicle was not repaired. the failure mileage was 40,000 and the current mileage was 60,000. li | |||
| 04/15/2012 | 52000 | ||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2008 honda accord . the contact stated that while driving at 60 mph the vehicle stalled. the contact was not able to turn the vehicle back on and then had the vehicle towed to an independent mechanic. the independent mechanic could not duplicate the failure. the vehicle was then taken to an authorized dealer where they also could not duplicate the failure. the vehicle was not repaired. the failure mileage was 52,000 and the current mileage was 54,000. kmj | |||
| 05/02/2012 | |||
| I purchased my certified pre-owned honda accord 2008 4cy from fischer honda with close 52,000 miles. i have noticed that the car's oil empties out before i am due for my regular oil changes. the car begins to make strange noises. i have mentioned this to two dealers and they don't know what is exactly going on. one dealer told me that i probably put bad gasoline in my car. upon further investigation, i have noticed that a lot of honda accord 2008 owners are having this same issue and honda is not really doing anything to solve this issue. they are currently doing an oil consumption test on my car. | |||
| 04/15/2012 | 52000 | ||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2008 honda accord . the contact stated that while driving at 60 mph the vehicle stalled. the contact was not able to turn the vehicle back on and then had the vehicle towed to an independent mechanic. the independent mechanic could not duplicate the failure. the vehicle was then taken to an authorized dealer where they also could not duplicate the failure. the vehicle was not repaired. the failure mileage was 52,000 and the current mileage was 54,000. kmj | |||
| 05/02/2012 | |||
| I purchased my certified pre-owned honda accord 2008 4cy from fischer honda with close 52,000 miles. i have noticed that the car's oil empties out before i am due for my regular oil changes. the car begins to make strange noises. i have mentioned this to two dealers and they don't know what is exactly going on. one dealer told me that i probably put bad gasoline in my car. upon further investigation, i have noticed that a lot of honda accord 2008 owners are having this same issue and honda is not really doing anything to solve this issue. they are currently doing an oil consumption test on my car. | |||
| 04/15/2012 | 52000 | ||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2008 honda accord . the contact stated that while driving at 60mph , without any warnings the vehicle stalled. the contact was not able to turn the vehicle back on and then had the vehicle towed to an independent mechanic. the independent mechanic could not duplicate the failure. the vehicle was then taken to an authorized dealer where they also could not duplicate the failure but also stated that they were not aware of this failure before. the vehicle was not repaired. the failure mileage was 52,000 and the current mileage was 54,000.cv | |||
| 05/02/2012 | |||
| I purchased my certified pre-owned honda accord 2008 4cy from fischer honda with close 52,000 miles. i have noticed that the car's oil empties out before i am due for my regular oil changes. the car begins to make strange noises. i have mentioned this to two dealers and they don't know what is exactly going on. one dealer told me that i probably put bad gasoline in my car. upon further investigation, i have noticed that a lot of honda accord 2008 owners are having this same issue and honda is not really doing anything to solve this issue. they are currently doing an oil consumption test on my car. | |||
| 04/02/2012 | |||
| I bought a new 2008 honda accord exl-6 vehicle. i have 72,000 miles on it, mostly highway driving. i've had my rear brakes replaced twice. the dealer tried to tell me 30,000 is average for brakes. also had all my spark plugs replaced. # 3 went bad and they suggested i replace all of them. again, telling me 70,000 miles is average for spark plug replacement. i was charged full price for all work done, i've even paid for the extended warranty and that didn't cover the spark plugs either. i wouldn't even take my car to the honda dealer but since i foolishly paid for the extended warranty, i'm afraid that will become null and void if any other mechanic touches my car for any reason. first and last honda i will ever purchase. i'd like to know if there is anyway i can find out if i'm entitled to a refund for brakes & spark plugs. just spent almost $600 having the two replaced. | |||
| 04/01/2009 | 18000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact was driving approximately 50 mph when the brakes were abruptly applied and the vehicle exhibited an abnormal grinding noise. the vehicle was taken to the dealer where they advised her that the front and rear brake pads needed to be replaced. the vehicle was repaired. approximately 15,000 miles later, the failure recurred when decelerating. the vehicle was taken back to the dealer where they advised the contact that rear brake pads needed to be replaced. the vehicle was repaired a second time but again, the failure recurred while the contact was driving approximately 40 mph. the vehicle would shutter and the grinding noise had become increasingly louder. in addition, while attempting to start the vehicle the contact noticed a loud noise for approximately two seconds. the contact checked the oil dipstick and discovered that there was no oil in the engine. the dealer advised having an oil consumption test performed and driving the vehicle for an additional 1,000 miles before confirming the failure. the contact was concerned about the oil consumption and the engine failing. the manufacturer was contacted and they offered no assistance. the failure mileage was approximately 18,000 and the current mileages were approximately 43,000. kmj | |||
| 04/01/2009 | 18000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact stated that while driving approximately 50 mph and trying to slam on her brakes she noticed a loud grinding noise. the vehicle was taken to a dealer and they advised her that the front and rear brake pads needed to be replaced. the vehicle was repaired for the brake pads. approximately 15,000 miles later the brakes had started to grind when slowing the vehicle down. the vehicle was taken back to the dealer and they advised her that rear brake pads needed to be replaced. the vehicle was repaired for the rear brake pads. the failure had recurred for a 3rd time while driving approximately 40 mph and depressing the brakes the vehicle would shutter and the grinding noise would get louder. in additon, the contact had started her vehicle in the morning and noticed a loud noise for approximately 2 seconds. after opening the hood and checking her oil stick she noticed that there was none in there. the vehicle was taken to a dealer and they advised her that the she would have to do an oil consumption test and she would have to drive the vehicle for an extra 1,000 miles. the contact had not reached her 1,000 mile mark and was concerned about the oil consumption and the engine blowing up. the manufacturer was contacted and they offered no assistance. the failure mileage was approximately 18,000 and the current mileages were approximately 43,000. tb | |||
| 02/10/2012 | |||
| Over the course of 3000 miles i had to add an additional 5 quarts of oil and while driving the headlights dim intermittently. | |||
| 04/14/2011 | 68681 | ||
| Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact was driving approximately 30 mph and heard a loud growling noise emitting from the outside of the vehicle. there was also an illumination of the engine warning indicator. the warning light remained illuminated until the engine was turned off. the failure recurred only when driving at low speeds. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer on eight different times for the identical failure. the arm bushings were replaced. on a separate occasion the vehicle was repaired under a recall associated with nhtsa campaign id number 11v395000 (power train: automatic transmission: control module (tcm, pcm) however, the malfunction continued to occur after the remedy repair was performed on the vehicle. the manufacturer was made aware of the problem. the approximate failure mileage was 68,681. | |||
| 04/14/2011 | 68681 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact was driving approximately 30 mph and heard a loud growling noise emitting from the outside of the vehicle. there was also an illumination of the engine warning indicator. the warning light remained illuminated until the engine was turned off. the failure recurred only when driving at low speeds. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer on eight different times for the identical failure. the arm bushings were replaced. on a separate occasion the vehicle was repaired under a recall associated with nhtsa campaign id number 11v395000 (power train: automatic transmission: control module (tcm, pcm) however, the malfunction continued to occur after the remedy repair was performed on the vehicle. the manufacturer was made aware of the problem. the approximate failure mileage was 68,681. kmj | |||
| 04/14/2011 | 68681 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact was driving approximately 30 mph and heard a loud growling noise emitting from the outside of the vehicle. there was also an illumination of the engine warning indicator. the warning light remained illuminated until the engine was turned off. the failure occurred only when driving at low speeds. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer on eight different times for the identical failure. the arm bushings were replaced. on a separate occasion the vehicle was repaired under a recall associated with nhtsa campaign id number 11v395000 (power train: automatic transmission: control module (tcm, pcm); however the malfunction continued to occur after the remedy repair was performed on the vehicle. the manufacturer was made aware of the problem. the approximate failure mileage was 68,681. js | |||
| 11/03/2010 | 30000 | ||
| Above start date and mileage are estimates as this seems to have always been an issue. the engine sputters when accelerating through the first few gears. this is noticable around the 20-35 mile per hour range, but may occur before or after that speed. it seems dangerous if acceleration is needed when the car will not respond. i have looked up honda service bulletins and it seems there a re a few that might fit the issue. one is related to an oil leak another to oil consumption as well as one related to engine low power. i believe the oil issue exists regardless as i am checking it now and discovered it is always low. there are a couple of others that may or may not apply as it is hard to determine the exact problem and service bulletin. the vehicle has been to the dealer for this issue only for the dealer to not be able to determine the cause or identify the problem while at the shop. early on while under warranty the vehicle was brought back to the dealer for this issue and some spark plugs were replaced. if i remember correctly they said there was a problem with the spark plugs. the issue has always remained even after the replacement of some spark plugs. they may not have replaced all of them and thus the issue at hand? i will have to ask the dealer for a service history if they have it since i may not have all the records. the car wil go back again for this issue after writing this. i'm hoping for a positive outcome where it will not cost me a fortune as the car is now out of warranty but was brought in for this while it was covered. | |||
| 07/01/2011 | |||
| There is a loud grinding/rattling sound after a cold start up | |||
| 06/18/2009 | 20000 | ||
| Tl* the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact stated that the vehicle consumed excessively large amounts of oil. he stated that there were two quarts of oil used for every 1,000 miles traveled. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer who advised that they did not know the cause of the failure. the vehicle was not repaired and the manufacturer was not made aware of the failure. the current mileage was approximately 54,000 and the failure mileage was approximately 20,000. | |||
| 06/18/2009 | 20000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact stated that the vehicle consumed large amounts of oil. he stated that there was two quarts of oil used for every 1,000 miles. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealer who stated that they did not know the cause of the failure. the vehicle had not been repaired. the contact had not made the manufacturer aware of the failure. the current mileage was approximately 54,000. the failure mileage was approximately 20,000-bk | |||
| 07/14/2009 | 59000 | ||
| Tl- the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact stated the vehicle is loosing oil. the contact first found out the vehicle was loosing oil when the oil and check engine light came on. the vehicle has been inspected by the dealer several times, but the dealer has not been able to find the source of the leak. the dealer did a test and found the vehicle is loosing two quarts of oil every 200 miles. the manufacturer stated they would look into the problem, but will not fix it. the failure mileage was 59,000 and the current mileage was 94872.rl | |||
| 05/01/2010 | 32000 | ||
| Small road debris can enter the engine compartment of a 2008 honad accord through a very wide air dam in the nose of the vehicle and puncture the air conditioning condenser. sudden loss of pressure in the condenser causes vapor to be emitted from the hvac ducts inside the car causing driver distraction. this is a dangerous condition at highway speeds. honda repaired the vehicle at owner cost buy does nothing to prevent the problem from reoccurring. | |||
| 08/01/2007 | 3000 | ||
| Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. the contact stated that the vehicle burned oil faster than normal. the vehicle was taken to an authorized dealership where the contact was informed the vehicle was burning oil faster than normal but still in accordance with industry standards. the vehicle was not repaired at the time of the complaint. the failure continued to occur. the failure mileage was approximately 3,000. the current mileage was approximately 37,000. | |||
| 02/19/2010 | 45000 | ||
| 2008 honda accord ex-l with the check engine light on and off for the past year and a half. when i bring the car back to the dealer they say i have no oil in the engine. this goes on every other month and they have not solved the problem. my car is still fortunately under extended warranty, but is there more damage being done that once i reach my warranty the car will be worthless? the dealer and american honda have been useless in this matter and have told me to drive my car with every warning light on until they can figure out how to fix it. at what point in a car just a lemon? if i couldn turn back time 2 years i would have never bought this car. | |||
| 12/15/2009 | 25000 | ||
| Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. while driving 55 miles per hour the contact noticed black smoke coming from the muffler. the vehicle began to consume excessive amounts of oil. the contact spoke with the dealer who replaced the oil gasket, the vtc oil control valve and the chain chassis ring. after the vehicle was repaired the vehicle continued to leak oil. the contact also stated that the engine rattled immediately after the vehicle was turned on. the dealer advised the contact to speak with the manufacturer for further assistance. the contact filed a complaint with the manufacturer who stated that the failures were normal. the manufacturer advised the contact to pay for the repairs. the current mileage was 88000. the failure mileage was 25000. | |||
| 04/12/2010 | 29000 | ||
| I have a 2008 honda accord ex-l i picked up new in the fall of 2007. to date i have just over 30,000 miles. today, (4/12/10) i took my car to my local honda dealership for an oil change. i was told that my rear brakes were at 5% and repair cost would be $330.00!!! i mentioned i paid an additional $2,200.00 for an extended warranty on top of the $28,000.00 sticker price back in 2007. today i asked the honda advisor what does my $2,200.00 extended warranty cover? he said nothing mechanical. by this point i did not want to argue, but rather i paid the $38.13 for my oil change and left. also with my previous oil change maybe 3 months ago with about 29,000 miles i was also told my rear brakes were somewhere around 15% and i think the honda dealership quoted me around $300.00. i am definitely a named party in the gibbs lawsuit as of 12/17/09. i have not paid to fix my rear brakes yet. other problems i am having is my navigation freezes up, i have this rattling sound in my front drivers door, my front passenger door sounds like it is not closed all the way because i hear road noise, and twice now my wipers have continued to stay on even though i turned them off or the wipers will be delayed even though the wipers are off, my glove box is misaligned on the right hand side and at times when i am pulling into the garage with my foot off of the gas pedal, the car will accelerate forward a llittle. i am finished with this car!!!! my 2008 accord is my 3rd accord and by far the most obnoxious lemon i have ever owned. my 1986 and 2000 accords were more honda than my 2008 accord. i am thoroughly disgusted with honda's caring integrity. | |||
| 03/13/2010 | 30000 | 1 | |
| Around 4:45 p.m., thursday, march 11, 2010, i took my | |||
| 06/18/2008 | 1600 | 1 | 03/24/2008 |
| Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. while driving 20 mph, the engine revved. the contact was able to drive the vehicle to his residence, but the engine raced the entire time. a few days later, the contact's wife started the vehicle and lightly tapped the accelerator pedal. the vehicle suddenly experienced unintended acceleration, causing the vehicle to crash straight into a home across the street. the brake pedal was depressed, but they failed to work properly. the vehicle had not been moved since the day of the first incident. the vehicle was towed to a dealer, but they did not explain what caused the failure or defect. the current and failure mileages were 1,600. updated 07/15/08. *lj the dealer stated the computer did not show any defects and the brakes were not applied. updated 07/15/08 | |||
| 04/01/2008 | 1 | 12/28/2007 | |
| 2008 honda accord exl with variable cylinder management engine. consumer states that the ad says the transition between cylinder in the engine is unfelt. he states that is a lie the passengers can feel when the engine changes. *kb according to honda, the system can activate and deactivate the engine's cylinders as needed to meet the demands of both acceleration and fuel saving. the consumer stated the engine constantly surges at highway speeds, even when on cruise control. | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM | |||
| 04/12/2010 | 31326 | ||
| My wife went to turn on the ac last week and found that it was blowing hot air. took the car to the dealership to get it fixed and was informed that the a/c condensor damaged from rock chip. i was speechless to find that such damage was not covered under warranty due to a design flaw with the front bumper, there was no screen/grill protecting the condensor. design flaw i say and they should honor the warranty. vehicle had 31326 miles on it. | |||
| 04/02/2010 | 28900 | ||
| Went to turn on my ac last weekend and found that it was blowing hot. took the car to the dealership to get it fixed and was informed that the problem was with the ac condenser. was told that in all likelihood a stone had been picked up from the road and done the damage to the condenser. was dismayed to find that such damage was not covered under warranty despite it coming from a possible design flaw with the car. | |||
| 05/15/2009 | 18800 | 1 | |
| A/c blowing hot air, took to dealer, told that a rock or some debris hit the condenser and caused a leak, told repair not covered by warranty due to road hazard, like a windshield getting cracked, estimated $650 to replace condenser. only had car for 1 yr, 18800 miles. *tr | |||
| 08/16/2008 | 1 | ||
| I purchased my 2008 honda accord in january of 2008. august 2008, my air stopped working. i took the car to honda dealership and they advised me that a rock or a pebble hit the condenser and that it is causing the freon to leak out. i took the car to another mechanic they advised me that honda is jerking my chain because that is not the case. i told the people at honda, that there is nothing protecting the condenser from the debris, it is poorly designed on that aspect. i told them that i am very disappointed, they would not try to resolve this issue with me at all. they are expecting me to cover the cost for this issue. *tr | |||
| 11/05/2008 | 6100 | 1 | |
| I have a 2008 honda accord lx. when air conditioner compressor cycles the lights dim and then go back to normal as if you were flashing your headlights. took to dealer and i was told honda is aware of the problem but has no plans of a fix. also the transmission has a whine at slow speed. i took service manager for test drive. he kept the car over night and gave me a rental he acknowledged both problems and answer was the same for both. ??????????????? *tr | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - COOLING SYSTEM - FAN | |||
| 02/09/2008 | 510 | 1 | 12/26/2007 |
| Cars lights dim and blink everytime the cooling fan kicks on and off,this includes headlights,brake lights,all interior lights,a/c fan dims,radio gets softer. this is dangerous to drive at night. people think you are flashing them and jamming on my brakes. i also have problems with upholstry,side air bags,right seat track, out of line bumper and pealing paint. honda has to do something with my 2008 honda accord ex coupe before someone gets killed. please someone help me. *tr | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE | |||
| 12/21/2010 | 34000 | ||
| Tl-the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. while driving 45 mph there was smoke coming from the engine? the vehicle was pulled into a shopping center and the engine was on fire. the fire department came and put the fire out there was a report if needed. the vehicle was total and no one was injured. the fire was started by the electrical fuel ignition within the engine. the manufacturer was contacted and a claim was file#n012010122701799. they also informed him a representative will be sent to investigate further. the failure mileage was 34,000.-mw | |||
| 05/08/2010 | 34000 | ||
| I have 34,000 miles on my 2008 honda accord ex, the engine has been revving when i reach approx 2,000 rpm and the dealer tells me this is normal. the car began making this sound only a few months ago, so it is not normal. i am also told that my rear brakes are already worn and need replaced asap. the cost of the brakes to be replaced is over $500, which seems a little steep, especially with honda already having settled the lawsuit over this models brake issues. | |||
| 03/21/2010 | 54800 | ||
| Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. while driving at approximately 70 mph, the vehicle seemed as if it would suddenly turn off so the contact pulled over and turned off the vehicle. the contact then restarted the vehicle but the issue continued to occur once on the road. the contact called an authorized dealership and was informed that the valves did not feed properly and slipped causing misfires. the vehicle had been repaired. the failure mileage was approximately 54,800. the current mileage was approximately 57,000. | |||
| 02/03/2010 | 25000 | 1 | |
| Variable cylinder management transmission unexpectedly surges in traffic. in heavy traffic, or slippery road conditions, a sudden unexpected surge in the car could result in hitting the car in front. *tr | |||
| 12/13/2009 | 28700 | 1 | |
| Engine stops running at idle or while driving, is difficult to restart. dealer could not reproduce. no engine error codes found. occurred on more than one occasion. *tr | |||
| 04/05/2008 | 125 | 3 | 04/04/2008 |
| Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. while driving 60 mph, the contact experienced excessive vibration in the steering wheel. the vehicle has been taken to the dealer approximately three times and they switched and rotated the tires. the failure still persists. the current mileage is 6,000. update 10/01/08 *cw the dealer informed the consumer that the vibration was caused my a motor mount location problem that honda was aware of and was working to correct it. updated 10/03/08. *jb | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - ENGINE - GASOLINE | |||
| 01/19/2008 | 1200 | 20 | 12/28/2007 |
| 2008 accord with v6 vcm/grade logic transmission; car bucks and surges at speeds as the vcm goes in and out of mode; will not downshift even if floored at 30 mph; when on cruise control at highway speeds and on a decline, the car downshifts with such force that passengers are thrown into their shoulder harnesses. *tr | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - EXHAUST SYSTEM | |||
| 10/31/2010 | |||
| 1. no event caused failure. believe it is just a failure in equipment/material 2. 2008 honda accord is burning an excessive amount of oil. one quart every thousand miles. several oil changes have had almost no oil in the engine because the problem was unknown. the problem is constant and may be defective oil rings or something worse. 3. what was suggested by honda was rebuilding the engine. | |||
| 01/15/2008 | 1800 | 1 | 09/23/2007 |
| Tl*the contact owns a 2008 honda accord. while driving 30 mph, the exhaust caps fell off the vehicle and were driven over. both passenger side tires were destroyed. the vehicle was towed to a dealer and that stated that her six cylinder vehicle had a four cylinder bumper. the contact has been going back and forth with the dealer for several days and does not believe they intend to exchange the bumpers. the powertrain was unknown. the current and failure mileages were 1,800. | |||
| ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING - EXHAUST SYSTEM - EMISSION CONTROL | |||
| 03/24/2008 | 1200 | 3 | 12/26/2007 |
| Car idles high and eratic since a new alternator was put on due to light(in and out) flickering along with fan and radio cutting out when a/c unit is used and cooling fans kick on and off.since then car idles high, surges went fron tacking 1100 cold to 1500. went from warm idle at 600 and is now 8-900rpms.lights still do the same thing but they agree there was a voltage drop after two dealers said it was acharcteristic.after two month the cars going back in for a second seat track and a syl plate that was damaged.now along with a list of problems the front bumper is pealing in same spot on left and right side near headlights.i alreadt complained about the bumpers not fitting.dealer did idle relearn procedeure that did nothing.check fuel cap message comes on and check engine light was on.they claim after 20 years of driving and 4 hondas,i don't know how to put a gas cap on.worst car i ever had.the worst part is the attitude of the dealers and honda.i have been waiting for over two months for a rep,las time dealer snuck a note in that i refused to see the rep.i faxed them a demand letter to see the rep and another dealer was also supposed to set a meeting up.they claim he is out with a bad back(philadelphia area rep,)i am suing honda under the lemon law.i had enough.the suit was filed and my court date is in october,contact me with any questions or comments.car alo smell like a rotten egg. *tr | |||